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[@joshuabertrand9277]

I personally love classical music. As a black person, though, I remember being told that I was "trying to white" by my fellow classmates as I was growing up, and so, I tried hiding the fact that I played clarinet and listened to classical music. While I agree classical listeners can be elitists, in my experience, it's non-classical listeners who choose to single out their classical listening counterparts.

[@fluffernutter9420]

I 100% agree! I think the ideology that music can only be enjoyed by a single race is absolutely absurd. We should just keep loving what we love.

[@Annerz78]

I suffered the same as you. Growing up I had access to free instrumental lessons at school from the age of 5 to the age of 16. it was only then, that my parents paid for my lessons because I went to 6th Form College outside of my Borough. Some of my school friends gave up once they started secondary school and also expected me to "grow out of it". I went on to study a Music degree.

[@dodochap]

Make me think of this Algerian friend who was hiding she loved classical music, because she associated that to old rich white privileged people, so she didn't feel legit or something. And ignoring that, (I'm black, it's important for the story) I told her very spontaneously that I'm totally crazy about classical music, I talked about twoset violon, just for sharing what I loved. She didn't say much this day, but she admitted months later she started to listen to classical music way more freely because of me, she understood she was kind of legit of loving it too. I didn't expect that, and I never though it would be something to be ashamed of. But I'm so proud to know I changed her mind on this without the intention of doing it, and I'm so glad she can enjoy it now. I share my favorite pieces and musicians with her now to encourage this 😊 (I don't know if my English is well, i'm French sorry 😅)

[@joshuabertrand9277]

@@fluffernutter9420 definitely agree! In my late 20s now, I've developed an unapologetic attitude when it comes to listening to classical in public thanks to military college. One sec I'll listen to Tupac, the next Mozart. Haha!

[@joshuabertrand9277]

@@aromanticfrog1939 Yeah, it would be cool to be able to start learning instruments or perform in choir starting in elementary school. I can only speak about schools in and around New Orleans, but unless you went to a private school or already knew how to play, there were no opportunities for young kids to gain a musical background.

[@andreacicalese]

Twoset: has a serious conversation with us. Everyone liked that

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

They’ve been doing that a lot recently

[@andreacicalese]

@@ckchang-wg2lw yes. Epic

[@cherylpspn]

@@ckchang-wg2lw yeah true

[@abigail40]

petition for twoset podcast :D

[@cherylpspn]

@@abigail40 OF COURSE!!! HAHAHA

[@classicaltrombone]

You guys have already made a big dent in the "accessibility" problem of classical music 🙂

[@flutechannel]

Nice to see you here and ditto!

[@alexanderhersh]

So true!

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Where were you first introduced to classical music? Me: Looney Toons. Disembodied voice: Really? Me: Rabbit of Seville, Rossini coordinated with cartoon violence.

[@steamedbryce]

It's the slidey boi funny man

[@MaxRamos8]

I definitely think baroque to early romantic music is pretty Elitist. Eurocentric. Late romantic and after there wasn't such a focus and it didn't feel like some kind of bubble so classical music from there and later would not be Elitist/Eurocentric.

[@ashleighho270]

I used to be an orchestra manager and the thing I've found to be common is that musicians and people who work on the concerts aren't 'elitist'. But sometimes people in the audience can be. My parents come from a migrant background and always came to support me when I was working. Unfortunately, they've had a lot of negative experiences with other audience members. They didn't fit the 'mould' of what a classical music audience is meant to look like I guess. They told me they've been looked up and down because the clothes they were wearing weren't as fancy as everyone else's, they've even been asked to move seats (that I paid for them) before. It's sad and I'm really glad TwoSet is bringing these issues to light. Music is for everybody no matter who you are and everyone deserves to enjoy the absolute magic of a concert hall equally.

[@nine7295]

This proves my point indeed. Thanks for your comments.

[@TheAkumaChan]

You reminded me on my experience having a piano exam (royal conservatory), watching orchestra/musical, etc. where wearing formal clothes was mandatory. I never liked that, but this isn’t just classical music, being a business student, it is the same thing. In the end I decided to go into computer science and get into street culture (hip hop, rap, etc.) cause what I grew up with actually made me feel like I didn’t fit in, which is so unfortunate. TwoSet made me want to pick up my piano, violin, flute and listen to classical music again!

[@deborahpablo786]

Twoset: makes 3 serious videos in the same month Fans: *everyone liked that*

[@unbekannternutzer25]

It's a new month tho

[@pierfrancescopeperoni]

@@unbekannternutzer25 Not for all calendars.

[@thefrenchierio177]

@Hamza Mzali Bruh just stop! If you do this your gonna get more dislikes

[@jonzim0]

Maybe because oxford decided sheet music is "racist"

[@detectivehome3318]

@@thefrenchierio177 lol he removed the video

[@anaghshetty]

Classical music is for everyone. I hate those snobs that pretend to be posh and state that Chopin or Mozart should only be played on a grand piano etc etc. Also, the internet is a blessing for people who can’t afford going to concerts

[@ralphrestubog5519]

Anyone who says that deserves to be choked with a garrote made of piano string.

[@DecibiderGames]

@Ally Lau I completely agree. I get bullied for liking classical music and not “Eminem or heavy metal” It’s really messed up.

[@boogerrrrr]

This is good. Those people with the superiority complex probably don't know that a ton of musicians listen to other genres of music as well, like some opera singers enjoy rock music

[@ManatuBear]

LOL I find the videos of Cateen playing on a toy piano a great way to make people interested in classical music, I guess that for those people he is a total freak.

[@Pizzae99]

@@DecibiderGames eminem is trash anyways and so is heavy metal. the people saying that to you are all losers.

[@lelandunruh7896]

I've been regularly attending operas for about 17 years now. I occasionally have people comment on how expensive that is, or that I must be making a lot of money. I always point out that I attend approximately the same number of college-level American football games each year, that those tend to cost slightly more than the opera performances, but that no one ever thinks of going to see the Texas Longhorns play as "fancy". It really is interesting how people intuitively slot certain activities in their minds.

[@skyri5444]

You’re right. It’s just that mainstream media has been implicitly hammering this irrational sort of phobia of classical music into people’s heads for so long that they have forgotten to think critically for themselves. They just lap up what’s on the screen. Whatever is given more hype is considered ‘cool’. It doesn’t help that people like sacrilegious boi and piano stool kicker are getting mainstream attention. They don’t represent classical music; the former tries to portray himself as the best (kind of elitist) and the latter makes people think that classical music needs side drama like kicking stools to ‘spice’ it up because it’s too boring.

[@mickeymuse2]

I wonder if part of this is due to the dress code; one tends to dress up for classical concerts, vs. anyone can wear cutoff jeans and a tank top to pretty much any sports event. In their minds, the concert is more expensive because the attire is more costly and formal, even if the cost to attend the actual function is less.

[@PuddintameXYZ]

Other thing that comes to mind is not applauding during the performance. People treat it like it's a crazy idea, but like they said, we do it all the time in movies theaters. Now, for sure, I think not doing it in between movements is way overkill, but the rule is meant to serve the same purpose in both cases: keeping immersion.

[@ridingdreamer]

@@mickeymuse2 I agree, but what I don't get is, why people think dressing up in formal or a bit classical type of way is more costlier than dressing in casual or trendy way or it is only suited for a certain class or group. Everybody can dress up in that way and anybody can enjoy classical music. Unfortunately people themselves have alienated from dressing more formal and classical style, enjoying classical music etc when they can do it easily.

[@meropemerope6096]

@@mickeymuse2 i dress with jeans and shirts at operas lol really

[@xaerenhcharis]

Anyone who says that classical music cannot be enjoyed by the masses clearly hasn't watched Looney Tunes. They made up my childhood classical music education.

[@OverpepperedSoup]

kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit, kill the WAbbit...

[@danimcleod4117]

Little Einsteins!!

[@Rebablonde]

@@danimcleod4117 oh, I knew Bizet's Le Arlesienne and Vivaldi's Spring from it! :D

[@yourpalbryan1442]

@@danimcleod4117 YES I LOVED THIS SERIES

[@MeriahLatyar]

And early Barbie movies too! They're one of the main reasons I have a special place for classical music and ballet in my heart!

[@White-tq3si]

TwoSet has been on serious topics recently that I think the bigger audience should also watch.

[@shauryadiwanshukla]

Yes, that's true, and I really appreciate there efforts on busting these things.

[@leogavinho4579]

That's right

[@huh6583]

Yes, I completely agree with you

[@ethanxyan]

Lol keep hearing people saying watching twoset is dumb because twoset is reaching wider audience and that hurt some of the classical music listeners’ feeling, because if more and more people listen to it, those people won’t feel special by their enjoyment of classical music. Some people are saying twoset is attracting viewership by talking about classical music, doing Ling ling workout, playing Sibelius (yes, people think twoset plays Sibelius is sacrilegious, not because their performance but they did it on KZbin with streaming). I guess this video is justified and and explained well.

[@ElaFigura]

TED talks!

[@codexone2194]

We had Flex Fridays. Now be prepared for Serious Saturdays.

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

@Hamza Mzali no.

[@abigail40]

omg yas

[@jessicarol.t1149]

Omg yes!

[@mjl1966y]

Here's the deal: The violin was the electric guitar of it's day and Shakespeare wrote for the masses.

[@raymondrak961]

The violin preceded the electric guitar by hundreds of years. But classical music is more ridgid and pure than electric guitar music. Ridgid because there is no improvisation and pure because the instruments are played without effects. Classical music is also complex especially in a symphony orchestra. There are "elitists" associated with every type of music.

[@ryan_alexander]

@@raymondrak961 You realize how elitist that comment sounds right? Classical music is more "pure" than electric guitar music because they don't improvise and play acoustically? And "electric guitar music" is somehow less complex than a symphony? I mean there's less layers, but I dare you to go listen to any Rob Scallon song (particularly Rain or Anchor) and tell me if your average orchestra can do that much with so little (incidentally, using guitar effects).

[@clairvaux8459]

@@raymondrak961 Op probably meant that violin music was regarded as "the devil's music" in the past, similar to how some people viewed the rock music of the 21st century. Also, yeah, you sound pretty elitist, mate. lmao

[@sirprize8572]

​@@raymondrak961 You massively missed the point. When the violin was first invented, classical music was the "new hotness" just like electric guitar was the "new hotness" in the 1930s/40s. Early composers were not writing songs thinking they were going to be only for "refined" cultural elites, they wrote it to be enjoyed by the masses because the instrument was widely popular and classical musicians had mass appeal, just like rock musicians did in their day, and just like pop musicians do now.

[@raymondrak961]

I said pure because with the electric guitar one can have effect pedals such as reverb, chorus or delay. If you have a better adjitive, then kindy let me know. I said complex because a symphony orchestra has many instruments playing different parts simultaneously. Is jazz complex, My taste in music varies with different genres. If I am elitist, then it is with a variety of music.

[@miguelangelhdezhdez]

As a musician I’d say yes, I tried to study formally in a school and they didn’t accept me just for the fact “I was too old “ for classical music, such a bittersweet experience

[@onurag7176]

Wow i also have pretty bad experiences in music school Honestly the classical music community is pretty toxic And i am amazed by how some people are still so unaware of themselves

[@naythre2498]

Omg... Read this really make me sad, I wish that you're going well I'm sure that this people doesn't deserve you.

[@andreasvandieaarde]

What the fuck dude, are you kidding? Jesus Christ I can't believe that, this has to change

[@franceskinskij]

@@onurag7176 is that true? I went to music high school and am now in conservatory and I have never witnessed a toxicity case

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@andreasvandieaarde Unfortunately, some people were also told they're too old for things like ballet or some athletics. Especially high skill ones. But anyone can do anything. Doesn't mean they'll perform. We should encourage fitness. People, myself included, have also shared stories of the mall telling people that this store is not for them when they walked in or refusing to sell items saying "it doesn't suit them". Especially in clothing and makeup. Some mall employees look down on casually dressed people too. Well shopping has lots of walking and I want to be comfortable. There's forums and videos of these cases. I kinda avoid the mall now. Two of my relatives and I walked into a fancy restaurant to check it out. When we learned it was pricey we left. Then I overheard a worker there badmouthing us angrily why did people like us and who dressed like us think we could afford this restaurant. Well we didn't know it was fancy. Why we have to check things. Why is she so angry about people just asking? They could be potential customers. When I met her she had a friendly smile. Was that fake? I wonder is she rich? Also, why do some people think casually dressed people can't be rich or afford some pricey things?

[@banoffepie2952]

I’m so glad that twoset are making videos addressing serious topics and bringing awareness to them 🥲 *cries in proud Ling Ling wannabe*

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

@Hamza Mzali seriously, *please* stop doing this.

[@anaghshetty]

@@ckchang-wg2lw it’s a bot no use

[@angelinethomas3517]

I love these types of videos

[@ipsharoy7398]

@@anaghshetty nah, they are a real person. A self promoter, to be exact.

[@abigail40]

@@angelinethomas3517 samee it makes me feel enlightened :)

[@CarolynOsborne]

Classical music has historically been supported by the wealthy, which can lead to a false sense of elitism. I used to play in a professional orchestra that catered to these folks because that is how we got paid. Your channel gives me hope for the future as you democratize support for classical music by making it accessible to everyone. It is hard to put into words how beautiful, amazing, wonderful, and life-changing classical music can be and I want everyone to have access to it.

[@blueraineee]

Correct and correct. I didn't have enough money to go for piano classes nor afford a piano. Plus pursuing music doesn't guarantee a stable income.

[@2siameezers]

There was a time in history when classical music was more accessible to the wealthier public before recordings were available to all. Sometimes attitudes are a through back to the past.

[@SunClef312]

This!

[@em-jd4do]

it reminds me of ballet! as in... it was historically enjoyed by wealthy people but low income children were trained from a young age to become ballerinas. now, it is still enjoyed (in person) by wealthy/wealthier people

[@michaelsommers2356]

In the distant past music may have been financially supported by the wealthy, but that does not mean that only the wealthy could hear it. Everybody who went to church in Leipzig, and that was everybody, would hear Bach's cantatas. From the time of Mozart, composers increasingly supported themselves, through the sale of concert tickets and sheet music. After the invention of sound recording, people could buy a relatively inexpensive record, and play the music over and over again.

[@Lamproly]

"Inheritance" is also a big factor! I feel that much like education, classical music is also often brought from parent to kid. The classes and instruments for classical genre are often more expensive, but there is also a "class" and culture thing going on. An example is even in Southern Germany: While rural and kids with basic education might learn wind instruments for local bands which play at local festivites, kids on higher, more urban schools might even have school orchestras and learn a classical instrument. I do think this is changing nowadays. I met many people saying they'd love to have learned a classical instrument when they were younger, because they love the music, but when I encourage them to start at a later age, they mostly decline. Maybe there's also this impression that you can't learn a classical instrument when you don't start young.

[@Eli-tz2rx]

As a person who listen to pop, classical, Rock, RnB, and Jazz music, it really makes me understand every genre's beauty without streotyping them. Listening to many genre of music give me balance in life. Just try to listen first guys

[@j.caroldelamerced2229]

That is so true.. We may have preferences as to what genre we usually listen to, but that doesn't mean that we cannot appreciate the uniqueness of each. Oh, I also listen to emo and ska/reggae. 😉

[@a.a.2573]

Bro, same, it's just so much fun to listen to different genres, they're so different but the same at the same time. I guess music is just for making you feel it, not only happy or sad, but feeling what the writer/composer/singer felt while composing it.

[@dopaminecloud]

Discovering people that mostly stick to one or two genres has been very strange to me. There's so many moods and times and places that ask for a different sound and there isn't a single genre capable of covering all of it effectively.

[@a.a.2573]

@@dopaminecloud I've always had classmates that are actually elitist, especially with rock, so it's very strange to me to find people who like a few songs of every genre lolol

[@dopaminecloud]

​@@a.a.2573 Likely it's purely a subculture thing, with the love of music only coming in second. And it's probably rarely music as a hobby since that would provide natural sentiment to explore beyond.

[@andafasaisai]

Damn, Eddy’s points on this topic is more focus than the camera....

[@ediblerosin1247]

twosets camera is part of their team too. it has an identity, its out of focus since 2013

[@sharlottafalls]

XDDDD

[@Zoie853]

🤣

[@emanuelebabici]

I'd stay talking with nerdy Eddy for hours long...

[@deborahpablo786]

💀💀💀💀

[@flaviocruciani8563]

you are not elitist. you found the perfect balance of polite, funny, modern, culture, educating, roasting what is "wrong" as in those dramas, being very gentleman and being accessible and amusing.

[@tine4643]

hard agree!

[@parasocial2375]

👍

[@hazelfyr8982]

As someone who enjoys Flight of the Bumblebee and viola, I might disagree just a tad tho 😂

[@flaviocruciani8563]

@@hazelfyr8982 but i am sure you don't enjoy flight if played not well and the viola if played not well

[@hazelfyr8982]

@@flaviocruciani8563 well of course

[@simka123]

I have zero musical talent. I couldn't hum a melody correctly to save my life. It does not require any musical talent to enjoy classical music. All it may take is for a person is to discover one piece they fall in love with and they go from there listening to more and more different stuff. Watching TwoSet also contributes to the feeling that all this music is alive and not gathering dust at some museum.

[@Fuyu_ImpactTV]

Yeah i totally agree with you! I'm the only person in my family who plays music and understands musical theory, my mom and dad have no clue abt it because back then it was kinda complicated for them to afford classes. And yet, even if they don't know or understand a thing abt music theory, they don't even know how to read notes on a score, and yet they absolutely love classical music! So musical knowledge has nothing to do with it.

[@minikawa1529]

I thought I would not understand classical music because it was just not for me, young middle class with no music education. I discovered thanks to you, democratising it thanks to your charades and skits that I looooved this music and met pieces that literally changed my life and moved me so much. Your message of today is extremely precious,thank you.

[@BygoneT]

Democratisation is what is holding classical music back in the first place, I don't know what you're on about. You'll notice there is a massive divide between modern music and classical in many ways, technical, social, monetary, and so on and so forth. That's really what's going on here. The elitists are often in love with classical music because they hate pop/rap/modernity and they hate it because they hate what's associated with it. There is a reason so many pop songs are covered with all sorts of instruments. Not that many hate it, but people's image of classical is that of literature, it's for the "Cultured".

[@sabrinab4193]

Same here, never had music education, but since I started watching this channel I've learned to like classical music more and to appreciate the nuances of it all

[@selguerra]

I'm a 67-year-old Bolivian Woman who happens to enjoy your programs because it brings me back memories of when I was a child at the consevatory in La Paz. It makes me so happy that you guys are opening the gates to classical music understanding to all ages. You will be remembered.

[@Singlesoap]

Love this!

[@heartofawanderer2862]

Amen!

[@ice13ill]

Beautiful

[@katideb1107]

¡Gracias por el comentario!

[@celial.4379]

❤️❤️❤️

[@burntoast7628]

I wouldn't be surprised if they go and do a Tedtalk.

[@sinpi314]

If love to see twoset tedtalk

[@daedalus_20v]

*Bredtalk

[@maximilian2843]

nooooooo not ted xD

[@AntonLFG]

I would love to watch one.

[@this_is_not_vee]

I'm definitely here for it.

[@quintdotcom]

They didn't address how classical music is referred to as "fine art" and taught in universities while my people's music is referred to as "folk art" and is never exposed to uni students

[@justynafigas-skrzypulec3349]

On point! This comment should be 'liked' more.

[@philiptheodorou2380]

But that doesn't make us elitist as none of us chose for it to be referred to as "fine art"; I certainly don't think that classical music is "finer" than "folk art" because of its name. Just as "folk art" should be exposed more, I think that "fine art" (I hate that term) should be exposed more too in order to get rid of people's deluded ideas that it is only for the elite.

[@electricpaisy6045]

I think of it like this but not in a way that makes it better than the folk art. Just different and both has good things to it.

[@marie-sarahdaniel7681]

It’s not true, at least not where I have studied, France and UK. There’s always a Trad Music department... if that’s what you mean by « folk art ». There’s also often a Jazz department, « Musique actuelle » (don’t know how to translate it accurately but could be associated with popular music nowadays), baroque department etc... even electronic music so...

[@MaxRamos8]

I definitely think baroque to early romantic music is pretty Elitist. Eurocentric. Late romantic and after there wasn't such a focus and it didn't feel like some kind of bubble so classical music from there and later would not be Elitist/Eurocentric.

[@alexanderkopaneff3551]

As a kid, I was introduced to classical music by Fantasia (Disney) and I’ve never thought that watching cartoons and listening to classical music is somehow elitist , lol ))

[@j.caroldelamerced2229]

That was my childhood too. My mom said she had to rent the video of Fantasia a few times because I really love it. And whenever I hear instrumentals I would tell her short made-up stories base from the mood.. 😅

[@michelleobamafootcream9292]

Omg yesss I used to watch that on VHS. Unfortunately my mom got rid of most of the VHS classic Disney movies, including Fantasia, that we used to have because it was taking up too much space.

[@azelah9385]

My 5 and 3 year old kids watched a whole Mahler symphony on KZbin because they wanted to. I played little excerpts and they choose Mahler because it sounded interesting. They sat through the whole thing and afterwards they were just happy and asked when they can finally view an orchestra in person. Till then we just watch one concert a week on KZbin.

[@isaacanwarwatts8844]

Which one

[@ipsharoy7398]

They are just smol Ling Ling Wannabes. Protect them

[@azelah9385]

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[@azelah9385]

@@ipsharoy7398 I will. They grow up with classical music like others with pop. They have each their own favourites . My daughter loves most ballets and my son love’s Shostakovich and Mendelsohn

[@isaacanwarwatts8844]

@@azelah9385 your 3 year old sat through a 1hr 30 minute symphony?

[@RifqiMainGitar]

Not gonna lie, I grew up having that exact thought that classical music are "rich people music" or "not the music of the common people". And then one day I found you guys. This channel is the first gate for me to enjoy more and more classical music. With your funny and friendly approach I now understand that anyone can enjoy any music, especially with how easy we can find anything nowadays. I just want to say thank you.

[@cecilyerker]

What’s crazy is that classical concerts are so much cheaper

[@RifqiMainGitar]

@@cecilyerker Yeah I didn't know that. But then again, I don't go to any kind of concerts. The closest thing was my high school music festival like 7 years ago. I never feel comfortable with too many crowds. Hell, even birthday or wedding party make me so anxious.

[@ashleyasilo2151]

Let's do a high five cause same!!

[@celineee4513]

yess, this is accurate for me

[@flutechannel]

All of it is helping bring classical music to anyone. Glad to see a few other YT here like Christopher Bill and others who make it a more welcoming community!

[@sinpi314]

You brought a lot of flute repertoire that I never even heard of to the general public. I really enjoy listening to flute music thanks to you!

[@flutechannel]

@@sinpi314 Happy to hear that!

[@silhouette3562]

I would identify the link between classical music and elitism is really to do with access / social class - being educated in the music which is less in the mainstream, access to learning an instrument which costs a lot of money, association with higher social classes at least in the UK this is certainly a strong feeling of this. Furthermore, the racial diversity in the classical genre I think is lower than in mainstream hip hop or r&b; which again can link to social class and 'elites' being those who have access

[@danielle8585]

props to you guys for actually making classical music relatable and memeable

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

@Hamza Mzali bruh why are you in every fking single reply section

[@ipsharoy7398]

Yes. They should be appreciated often for their efforts.

[@abigail40]

@@ipsharoy7398 yess

[@crystalkirlia4553]

Believe it or not, I literally was told at college that I have no individuality because I'm part of an orchestra andcan'tthink for myself because I "need" a conductor at the front. She was a singer songwriter guitarist, just like everyone else in the college, and she was a complete biiiiaaaccchhhhhhhhh...

[@danielle8585]

@@crystalkirlia4553 nooooo that sucks :(

[@turtledruid464]

As a jazz musician I can definitely say that elitism exists in the jazz world. Most of us are very open to people enjoying whatever they enjoy, but there definitely is a sort of "this is too complicated for you plebians to understand," especially with the more avant garde stuff.

[@christianstewart8442]

I think this can definitely be true, but in my experience, jazz musicians are much more open to appreciating non-jazz than classical musicians are to non-classical. Most jazz musicians listen to hip-hop, funk, and classical, and musicians like Brad Mehldau and the Bad Plus have lots of rock covers.

[@noobestofdamall]

It ought to, it's musically superior.

[@goclbert]

Sure elitism exists in Jazz but I think it's at a much lower level especially when comparing the fans of the genre. When I go to Jazz event everyone there just seems much chiller and during the show and they're more free to show enjoyment for the music. To me when I see an entire audience not moving a single muscle during a very rhythmic piece like the Rite of Spring it feels like people are trying too hard to act a certain way. You don't have to make any noise to at least nod your head along.

[@eriknystrom5839]

In jazz you are allowed to clap after a solo even in the middle of the piece! Personally I think it should be OK to clap between movements in classical music. Well I don’t since I’ve been taught not to. At the opera it is not uncommon to clap after an aria.

[@ealston0826]

@@goclbert I nod my head, sway my shoulders (how can you not during Navarra?) and in between movements I do my jazz hands. I get looks, I don't care! Been going to classical music concerts since I was 3 years old, my grandmother used to take me. She did jazz hands, I do jazz hands :-) :-)

[@bobgraf7510]

Clapping and cheering during the performance was normal behavior during the "classical" period. The second movement of Beethoven's 7th symphony was encored immediately after it was played at the premier. The performance culture has evolved over time, and keeps doing so.

[@noah_vayman]

As someone who really likes classical music but doesn’t know very much yet, it would be so cool if you put the pieces you use as background music in the description. Anyways, thank you for being such a fun, non-elitist channel! Have a great day

[@awhyteja]

Here’s a link to The first one in the video by Shostakovich kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ2udayAfcdgmcU it’s the second mvmnt

[@abigail40]

'i thought he was a friend but i guess he wasn't' *betrayal 101*

[@ipsharoy7398]

@Hamza Mzali omg stop

[@l.s.8793]

@Ana Igrutinovic it;s a bot. Just report it instead of responding

[@crystalkirlia4553]

Believe it or not, I literally was told at college that I have no individuality because I'm part of an orchestra andcan'tthink for myself because I "need" a conductor at the front. She was a singer songwriter guitarist, just like everyone else in the college, and she was a complete biiiiaaaccchhhhhhhhh...

[@anikabhatnagar4626]

@@crystalkirlia4553 biatches are everywhere ugh 🙄hope she’s not in a ten km radius of you anymore

[@snowyminnesota6028]

@@crystalkirlia4553 You're not the first to hear this, I've replied to other young musicians who've been told exactly the same, it's like a "thing" some non-classical musicians have heard elsewhere and seize on to make themselves feel more important. They secretly feel envious because they don't have the training and skill that you have. Just smile your knowing smile and say, "You wouldn't understand." That'll *really* rile her up, hah. Not that I like riling people up. I'd rather explain why orchestras need conductors. (Think about it, every rock or pop or jazz band has somebody who's in the lead at all times; often the drummer, or it gets handed around depending on who's doing what. Been there done that. But get over 12-15 people on stage and seeing the leader gets a lot harder. Thus the rise of the conductor.) But being attacked out of the blue like that means the attacker deserves some kind of a wakeup slap.

[@AspiringToFailure]

As a heavily tattooed, pierced, almost shaven-headed, aspiring classical musician, I like to challenge these stereotypes. Keep up the good work Brett & Eddy, in addressing these things, so we can prove that classical music is made by, and for, everyone! 😊

[@DarkPsychoMessiah]

Too bad professional orchestras love the stereotypes

[@CR-tr9yy]

Reminds me of Nigel Kennedy😁🎻🎶

[@1Flyingfist]

@@CR-tr9yy I forgot about him! I remember him being totally different, when I was a kid.

[@salamzander]

An alternatively dressed classical musician..? You sound awesome!!

[@siddharthsudhakar2697]

Eddy: mentions elitist kids in school *obnoxious popular kid who only listens to rap has entered the chat*

[@fauziramadhan3135]

I think you guys forgot to elaborate the implicit definition of elitism by some people like me, maybe, because of "the effort of buying the instruments". Price gap between classical instrument to mainstream one is so high. I remembered you once talk about this a little bit in your other video about violin price range, for instance. I believe this condition stops some bodies to start learning classical music due to its financial incapability. At least, in general, that what happens in my country. So, in my clueless mindset, maybe, the other definition will be: classical music can only be reached by wealthy family. This session will be nicer if you react, argue, and lighten that stigma. Disclaimer: it's all my opinion. CMIIW.

[@nacmegfeegle2310]

I was thinking the same thing. Plus it takes 40 hrs of practice per day so you can't have a lot of other responsibilities. I do agree that you don't need a lot of education to enjoy it though, and that it is soul healing.

[@mmelanoma]

Yes! I posted basically the same comment haha. Coming from a much poorer country and hearing TS talk about reasonable prices for a starter violin (400 dollars if I recall correctly)... That's just not a possibility for the majority of families here lol.

[@sla7889]

Thing is, starting to play classical music may be expensive, but listening to it can be done easily with something as simple as a cell phone And most people dont really try to be musicians and only listen to music

[@Chirp-chirp]

I think the aim of this video, and the audience this video targets, is people who deter from listening and enjoying classical music, and who stereotype classical listeners, due to perceiving the genre as elitist. It's not really about playing the instrument, but just appreciating the music.

[@lizziesmusicmaking]

@@Chirp-chirp If you like early period music like baroque or renaissance but don't have much money, consider recorder. You can get a perfectly servicable plastic soprano by yamaha for under $10. There's also a lot of beginner method books out there if you can't afford lessons or find a teacher, and many people start out that way. For adults, consider Orff's books. They have some good photos of hand position, and lots of interesting older music to play so you won't get stuck playing nursery rhymes and pop tunes when you wanted Bach, Handel and assorted renaissance. There's also classical voice. The instrument is free, and the repertoire is enormous.

[@jauharaisha]

I love that Eddy is always so articulate on explaining things

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

It’s good tho

[@ipsharoy7398]

I mean, he got a top score in the medical exam before going on to becoming a classical musician. He could also be a scholar or debater besides being a musician because of his amazing public speaking skills and intellect.

[@kusorain431]

I like explainainer people

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

@Hamza Mzali stop.

[@carrielin81]

@@ckchang-wg2lw report him. I always do.

[@melodyli1990]

They are so charming when they are talking about their views seriously.

[@emi283]

@Hamza Mzali stop 🙄

[@josephridge6947]

they are always charming

[@CatsPajamas23]

@@josephridge6947 I typed 'They're always charming", then saw that someone already had!

[@0908eliana]

I was thinking the same ❤

[@Ianad2]

I love how Eddy is so articulate! He just knows how to explain things very clearly.

[@chrish4309]

My experience growing up with classical musicians and having been part of a symphony choir, is that every single one of them was exceptionally elitist, to the point that they did not consider entire genres of music to even be "music"

[@sunimod1895]

Unfortunately the amount of time and money all musicians put into their music education will naturally create a stigma of a higher class, literally because unless you are fortunate to get good education for free or low cost, most have to pay for it.

[@gimletrose1985]

It goes for everything else too though, costs so much to do anything

[@xdgirl8886]

That is unfortunately true. Although many higher-learning music institutes do offer full scholarships, the years it takes before that requires a huge amount of money and often those that start young come from privileged backgrounds, which leads to the industry being very closed. Another note on why there is the impression that classical music is for "old, wealthy people" as mentioned is not just because of the holdover from olden times, but because the musicians need funding and support to be able to hold concerts or to make a living. These two combined result in a high barrier to entry and subsequently an elitist stigma. Which is also what Twoset is trying to change and I'm so glad for it, I hope more people get into classical music and appreciate it, diversifying the audience and supporting the musicians who make music.

[@mandisaw]

But that has been a very recent development - like in the last 40-50yrs or so (in the US). When my mom & her sibs were in public school (70s), everyone got music theory, music history/appreciation, and training in some instrument. There were also a mix of school/city/State bands and scholarships for any kids that showed talent & interest. I sucked at playing lol, but my sibs & I similarly got the same courses, but it was already starting to be restricted to only good schools & top-achieving kids. Now the kids don't even get basic music or art appreciation courses, let alone instrument training, unless they go to a particular program or well-funded school (often private or charter).

[@mandisaw]

Also, there's an issue of priorities. How many parents or schools pay oodles for laptops or Chromebooks, saying they're gonna teach all the kids to be programmers? I am a professional software developer, and I can easily say that the world will be way better off if we'd teach more K-12 students art & music (and history, writing, literature, etc) and save programming for college/college-prep.

[@8stringer1243]

There’s free resources online now tho

[@KieranGhost92]

Me at classical concert: *not clapping between movements* Me at jazz concert: *clap every solo*

[@elissahunt]

And maybe whistling and cheering, too. (My husband is a jazz musician.)

[@cathyzhang3241]

OMG yesssss

[@bornaerceg9984]

They used to clap at "solos" in Mozart's time too.

[@GuillaumeB7]

@@bornaerceg9984 Yeah, the decorum is killing the attendance. Like for any other genre, if you want to listen to music without any kind of public interruption, buy good speakers and listen to the perfectly mastered album. It's a public event, not a private concert. I'm not for people that would talk all the time. But people whispering comments from time to time to each other should not be something that is frowned upon. Anyway, people usually shut up on their own when the music gets interesting or quiet and intimate.

[@fredericchopin6445]

@@derrymahaderga8227 shut the fugue up

[@neeltheother2342]

I think it would be helpful to bring on Hilary Hahn and Ray Chen to continue this discussion, since they're in the heart of the industry. And yes, I agree that elitism is actually more prevalent among other forms of music than in classical.

[@audrey4722]

I love classical music. I’m 13, and kids will sometimes make fun of me for liking it, saying that I’m like an 80 year old man for liking it. As a result, I try to hide the fact that I play the flute and listen to classical music from other kids. Because I’m also kind of a nerd (I love math and science) I think my classmates tend to think of me as stuck-up and elitist, when I really just want to share my passion for music and science with other people. Thank you so much for addressing this problem, and for making classical music something that is appropriate for all people. I love your videos!!

[@lizziesmusicmaking]

You sound a lot like me as a teenager. Hope you're finding other people who share your interests, and don't let the teasing you down.

[@aliyahfransetteramal1887]

In the last vid, Brett is wearing the Stravinsky. Now it's eddy who is wearing it In the last vid, Eddy is wearing the four season. Now it's brett who is wearing it Love how they plan to switch

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

@Hamza Mzali stop.

[@ipsharoy7398]

Power of being best friends for more than a decade

[@smilegirlsoft]

Yeah noticed that too :D

[@abigail40]

@@ipsharoy7398 friendship goals 101

[@DomskiPlays]

This is to prepare us viewers for next month when they give up youtube and replace themselves with smart Asian lookalikes

[@paulshadow5727]

I am not a musician, but I love classical music more than any other genre, so I was always surprised and dismayed by the dismissal of the genre by a majority of population. To understand this, I spoke at length to a friend of mine who was then getting his PhD in history with a thesis on difference of western and eastern classical music and their evolutions and also studying violin at the Moscow conservatory, it was very enlightening for me so I will briefly share some of the main points he brought up. 1. Historical perspective - Historically all through medieval era to renaissance to industrial revolution, classical music was the music of the wealthy. Peasants and workers rarely could have enough money or time to enjoy a whole concert in depth. The classical musicians and composers were mostly either themselves nobility or were mainly patronized by the nobility or the upper merchant classes. In a feudal class society, with segregated culture, this created an image of that particular form of music as "music of the high society". This mostly changed with the Russian revolution, and advent of the US middle class, suddenly there was a large pool of educated former lower class people who had the means to enjoy classical music. In modern era, the divide is almost non-existent, with mass media, nothing is for the elite anymore. 2. Accessibility - Historically and even today, the cost of the musical instruments and sometimes musical instructions are so costly, that even people who enjoy classical music can't themselves become classical musicians. I for an example, have an ambition to learn to play the violin someday when my medical education is completed, but being from a third-world lower middle class family, the burden of musical training just as a hobby is too much for me, and I know several people who are in a same situation as me. Now, this by no way make it elitist, just difficult to access for poor people. Nowadays, any education is costly, if not subsidized by the government (we have government music schools thankfully), so the cost factor is not limited to classical music but nontheless can give of a upper class snobby vibe to the uninitiated mind. 3. Societal norms - Being from India, I can see all around me people who measure success solely by monetary incentive. In my country, classical musicians (if you can't make it to the very top) do not earn much, so there are very few people who choose it as a sole career. So, people has a notion that classical music training and professional playing is for rich people who don't have to worry about money or survival. This, indeed is misguided conclusion but one that is subscribed to by a lot of people. There were a few other points, some of which were specifically for my region and culture, so I will not share those, and the other points I can't remember.

[@somebodysvideos7876]

It would be interesting to read that thesis. Can I find it somewhere?

[@jessicacarrotsyap7448]

Yes, to all these points! Thank you for taking the time to write these up.

[@goodj111]

Yeah if anything that dismissal of these people it itself at times quite elitist.

[@cecilyerker]

I enjoyed reading this thanks 🙏

[@paulshadow5727]

@@somebodysvideos7876 I am out of touch with the said friend for some time now. But, I think you can find it out online.

[@dudabritto2866]

So proud of my babies, omg, they are never afraid to speak up their minds, and always show their opinions in the most honest and humble way. Wish you guys success and happiness!

[@KatyAdelson]

This focuses on music listeners, which is great! Talk of this stereotype is also fairly prevalent in the folk musician vs. classical musician worlds, and almost creates a weird rivalry - at least in my experience occasionally trying to float between the two genres... it’s quite sad and frustrating...🙁 However, many folk musicians are self-taught and usually approach music from a different angle than what has been somewhat standardized for playing classical music. From folk musicians, I often hear, “you had to have a teacher to learn to read and play music, and sound like a robot...” If I had a nickel every time I heard that line, I could retire today, lol. But from the classical side, I often hear, “folk music is too easy, and it all sounds the same.” 😕 Hopefully things will change someday, and all musicians can appreciate the complexities, challenges, and nuances of the different genres...

[@JacquesLuu]

For anyone wondering, the first background music is Shostakovitch piano concerto no2 2mvt, one of the best dreamy music you will ever find ;)

[@ediblerosin1247]

thanks

[@mathewgoquesan3322]

Take my upvo- oh wait wrong platform

[@susanbryant6516]

It’s really lovely, thanks for naming it for us!

[@rebeccabintu2141]

Thank you very much

[@Love-Is-Kind]

Thank you

[@lathlisselara2397]

In my experience it’s more the case that elitists weaponize the fine arts like classical music to set themselves apart. I think that was one of the major things that turned me away from classical at first-because they are so vocal about their superiority. It made me super nervous to get into classical music because I had no idea where to even start. Like if I liked a more “mainstream” classical piece, I would be told that it’s “overrated” and that I wasn’t a true appreciator of classical music because I liked that piece.

[@reepicheepsfriend]

Try to take things lightly; most of the time there are a few songs or pieces in every genre that are more known to the general public, and the people who are really into that genre are tired of hearing them. That doesn't make them trash. Sometimes they are a more simpler or more accessible form of the genre, but those kinds of works are important. Ultimately, if you like something, just enjoy it, don't worry about what other people think.

[@SamiChenFilm]

Now this, is the most accurate answer I've seen yet.

[@mintbrownieangelfish-6114]

@@reepicheepsfriend Ohhh, huge amen. There are a ton of pieces I love that are overplayed as heck- but they're overplayed because they're good pieces. I'm sick of canon in D now, but when I first played it in like 4th grade it was my favorite of the year.

[@lathlisselara2397]

@@reepicheepsfriend thank you!! Yeah I totally get that since I used to be a bit of an alt music snob-I think it’s something two sets def helped out with. I think they’ve given me a jumping off point to find really fascinating pieces in a really fun and actually un-elitist way. That’s what I really appreciate about this channel

[@AtariaKanaArt]

@@mintbrownieangelfish-6114 yess I remember being SO excited to play canon in D because it was the first piece my orchestra played that actually had separate parts for each instrument! We felt so Advanced lmao. The memes about it are funny but tbh I still think it's a quite nice and sweet piece.

[@siddharthsudhakar2697]

I find it hard to believe these are the same guys who nearly died of laughter from Brett's lo-fi. Keep up the amazing work guys, you're making a larger difference in this (not just the musical) world than you realize.

[@random23287]

Interestingly enough, in literature it’s usually people who like classics who are accused of snobbery and elitism, or who sometimes say that contemporary or fantasy fiction isn’t real literature and things like that. I suppose it’s the battle between what’s new and popular and what’s old and well-known. A problem in all creative genres.

[@thaynaviegas]

I’m from a poor country. Most of us don’t have access to *any* kind of music education at school. But obviously the true is that you don’t need to understand music theory to be able to appreciate music at all. What I feel like helps is educating about the etiquete (like clapping between movements) before the concert starts rather than expect people to know - not only when kids come to watch. Also channels like this that show the fun while educating about classical music.

[@kenz2756]

My country is 3rd world, not really poor though, but i think it's more or less true. People have absolutely no clue about classical music or the culture in it. Classical music itself is just not very popular here, only the rich would want to get education on that because of how much commitment you put into it vs. how much money you get, a 500$ instrument isn't something an average person would think of buying (and obviously it could go 4 times that price), couple that with the pay classical musicians get. It's just not an ideal career, and especially not in places with lower standards of living.

[@molekyyli]

I'm originally from not the richest countries but neither poorest (ex Soviet Union country). Don't know if it has changed since but. We did have "music education" at school. Age 6-11 all "music education" was basically to sing along children's songs (teacher accompanied on piano) and if you naturally couldn't sing, well, then f*** you, it's your problem. Age 12-15 we learned very basics of what notes there are and how to read sheet music on a very basic level. And again, singing along a piano (folk/pop songs only) but no actual education. So I grew up with a firm belief that I have ZERO talent for music cos I couldn't sing in tune at all and therefore it was pointless to try to learn any instrument or anything. So we had "music education" but it was, for the most part, absolutely of no use... And of course, no classical music was ever present in any lesson. :D And, of course, if you wanted a kid to learn anything (sing or an instrument), your parents had to pay for it, no free lessons anywhere.

[@kenz2756]

@@molekyyli I'm pretty sure there was never any actual classical music education in normal schools of any countries, it'd be pointless since you would only manage to learn a fraction of it by that time. My schools just had recorder and melodica basic lessons, but that was formality. You'd have to go to a university/higher education to actually study classical music and get a degree on it of course.

[@molekyyli]

@@kenz2756 I didn't mean that, more like they could've introduced us to many different genres (including some classical), instead of just singing (or in my case sounding like a dying cat) some popular songs. And well, we didn't have even that recorder. :D I don't think I would like to play a recorder (the cheap plastic ones sound horrible) but maybe it would've shown me I can actually learn to play something on something. I don't actually know how it's where I live when it comes to music education in primary schools (don't have kids) but I attended high school here and there were opportunities for interested to take extra music classes and the school had various instruments, can't remember what all (it's been 10 years since I graduated and cos I believed I had no musical ability, I just did the obligatory course and didn't really pay much attention) but at least guitar (surely bass too), piano and drums and you could join/form a school band and perform several times a year with the band. This high school was probably more art oriented (they also had a theatre group) than the other high schools in the area but it was still kinda a bit shock for me to see a drum set in the music class and not just a piano (which was available only to the teacher, not students). I'm just sad I didn't realize sooner that the fact I can't sing in tune doesn't mean I can't learn to play anything. I just recently started guitar, and violin and piano are on my wish list as well (I know the most "mainstream" instruments but whatever :D).

[@kenz2756]

@@molekyyli I'm Southeast Asian, and the only genre schools teach us is actually our traditional folk music. I think school music education in my country is pretty much only for conserving culture in this westernizing world. I mean I can't sing either but it's not due to me being unable to tell the difference between in tune or out of tune. You say you can't sing in tune, but does that mean your brain is tonally ignorant or your voice is just not used to singing? Because they're different.

[@finalcountdown3210]

My band director always made sure to ask our parent audience if they could please wait between movements to applaud. He explained that it's just respectful and tradition for the musicians on stage. He wasn't elitist or rude about it, and I appreciate that. He even encouraged parents to take all the pictures and videos they want as long as they keep the flash off

[@CopShowGuy]

The conductor of the orchestra I'm in now usually prefaces the concerts with "If you are enjoying what you hear and you feel like it, feel free to clap but please try to keep it between movements."

[@this_is_not_vee]

Tom and Jerry actually got me into classical music back in kindergarten. I would hum these pieces and upon discovering twoset here in KZbin, I was surprised I'm familiar with some of the pieces without knowing the titles. We've also come across classical composers in our highschool subjects but sadly, we didn't tackle much about the rest. I'm now 20, I play guitar fingerstyles but I haven't mastered a classical piece yet. (maybe soon) Maybe in another parallel universe, I pursued a music degree and delved more into classical music. I majored in a different field but I will always be a lingling apprentice by heart. Thank you, Twoset Dads for making classical music fun and relatable for all ages, for all races.

[@forkless]

Gatekeeping sucks. Music is and should be accessible for everyone. Whether you like a certain genre or instrument is another and subjective question altogether.

[@Tmason47]

It would be interesting to have a pro tips for beginners series like Eddys old KZbin channel

[@piyanistfredericchopin4860]

Violin player Crewmate 🤔

[@Tmason47]

@@piyanistfredericchopin4860 no sus. Violin is the longest task ;)

[@piyanistfredericchopin4860]

@@Tmason47 Yes Viola is more sus.

[@Tmason47]

@@piyanistfredericchopin4860 *****Violin was not the imposter. 1 imposter left.

[@anaghshetty]

Ya ik the E Chen one

[@luciaznasikova8245]

My grandma always tells me how much she envies me, because I was able to take piano lessons, since *I chose it*. But back when she was young, only the rich kids could actually afford playing an instrument and they were often arrogant about it. Maybe this general perception of classical music being elitist is something that people used to think years ago and it still hasn't been changed/understood by the society - just like many other things. I love how you've been talking about serious things lately and still perfectly balancing it with the funny ones! 🥰

[@Pannekoekpony]

I recognize this. In my country, it is considered a fairly normal hobby to be in music academy. It is a choice, like some kids do ballet or football. Some of my international friends think this is crazy and being able to go to music academy and learn an instrument is very expensive in their countries. Nowadays, I think things are shifting a lot due to initiatives and a changing mindset..

[@justynafigas-skrzypulec3349]

Yup, same in my country (I suppose, looking at your surname, we are neighbours, both from Central Europe). We have this stereotype, based on true historical circumstances, that learning piano or harpsichord (together with French, poetry, and maybe Latin or Greek) was something strictly for upper classes and no 'regular' person would have time nor money for this. It wasn't for anyone who hadn't already had secure financial situation and, therefore, needed to work.

[@luciaznasikova8245]

@@justynafigas-skrzypulec3349 wow I didn't think further into the history but it's true! The languages and music really were for the noble people only... I'm glad it didn't stay that way~ ^^

[@DIOsNotDead]

honestly, elitists who all just scoff at anything because they have "superior tastes" are all just compensating for something, it feels like in kindergarten where kids yell at each other because their toy is "the best"

[@IdkHugodj]

TwoSet are making the world a better place We should be thankful to have them

[@guikentaro]

Who agrees with me that this channel is going really well?! They grew with musical memes to catch both non and true musicians, and now, that they are big enough, their serious topics can be presented and people won't dislike it more than they would earlier! They got our respect and we got theirs. I love it!!

[@annannleung]

I love how their hoodies are swapped from yesterday's video

[@dpickettturnings7484]

Love classical music.. here sits a 64 yr. old Texas man who is learnin to play the cello... ellistist my butt... You guys are great... keepon keeping on....

[@wakingtheworld]

I tell ya summat. It gives you a reason for living and to get out of bed each morning. I'm endlessly playing the open strings on the violin atm but at some point this week I'll play them with my bow constantly perpendicular to the strings! Lovin' it though...

[@coloraturaElise]

Probably the "wealthy old people" stereotype came from the beginnings of classical music, where composers needed wealthy patrons to subsidize them while they composed. Then the patrons would show off their composers by having concerts in their homes, for only their other rich friends. I know that often public concerts, like in Mozart's time, were offered on a subscription basis: if enough people paid money ahead of time, the concert would go ahead. So the composers had to have a way to earn money for composing. As for needing to study the music to enjoy it, there are lots of KZbin channels based on folks hearing classical pieces for the first time and reacting positively to them, actually "getting it" the first time they hear it. Yes, we know that the more familiar you are with the music, the more you understand it, and the more you get out of it, but even little babies enjoy it! btw, enjoyed the gorgeous Chopin in the background for much of the video....it distracted me from what you were saying sometimes, LOL--because classical music has great power, to transport you somewhere else. It's amazing!

[@ctthes]

Eddy helming this conversation with his eloquence man he’s so intelligent and I find it high key attractive.... help...

[@krustigkostlich2364]

@𝐻𝑎𝑚𝑧𝑎 𝑀𝑧𝑎𝑙𝑖 𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑓𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝑜𝑓𝑓

[@crystalkirlia4553]

Believe it or not, I literally was told at college that I have no individuality because I'm part of an orchestra andcan'tthink for myself because I "need" a conductor at the front. She was a singer songwriter guitarist, just like everyone else in the college, and she was a complete biiiiaaaccchhhhhhhhh...

[@bluie2889]

he's such a gentleman

[@Zothiqueness]

It's my dream to start a foundation and music school to make lessons and instruments accessible to children in low income communities. I grew up poor and couldn't do the two things I wanted to do as a child, violin and ballet. That's what I'm working for.

[@cadenwebb.baritone]

I respect that. That is an extremely noble cause and I respect that you are pursuing such a great goal

[@cartortoise_0733]

Godspeed!

[@johannatania9310]

same here.

[@ILikeBirds]

Good luck!

[@ethaneverts7457]

TED Talks? Nah. TwoSet Talks. Thanks for these awesome videos on more serious topics. Before TwoSet I was new-ish to the classical genre, so I was very confused about many things concerning the topics which you guys have spoken about, including the misconception that classical music is totally elitist. Of course, there will always be those who are elitist and who feel the need to express it, but what you covered was amazing. I am just so grateful to be part of such a loving and supportive community. Thank you once again!

[@dingbaaat5569]

I really feel superior and elite when someone asks me what type of music I like and I say “classical” and they give a little scoff and roll their eyes. Really makes me feel like I am superior.

[@MsChan-gc1oe]

As a “classical” musician who’s been in this industry for over 40 years, I am so proud of you two for doing what you’re doing! It has been my personal goal, also, to show the world that “classical” music is for everyone. Thank you! Keep it up!!! Please continue to have an open mind (and a very thick skin), and don’t let the naysayers get to you. I hope I can meet you two in person.

[@wakingtheworld]

Great comment. They have done SO much to make classical music accessible to younger folk... even rekindled my interest in it... and to make it fun. Their number of subscribers continues to increase, though maybe brain washed by Brett's 'legato the subscribe button'!

[@miche5196]

When Eddy said it's healing for the soul...I felt that 😭❤️

[@miche5196]

@Hamza Mzali you play beautifully 🌻

[@blahdiblah2169]

Classical guitarist chirping in : The conversation reminds me a bit of golf. Golf (the game) isn't elitist, but in reality golf in its entirety (The players, the gear, the venues and events, the context or reason for playing, the relationships between the players) on the whole is elite. From music genre point of view, I think we can generalize and say on the whole it's the most complex genre with perhaps Jazz in second place. I don't see it as superior, but I do see it as more encompassing. A tongue in cheek argument could be made that all music is either classical music or simplified classical music (yeah and acoustic guitars are 6 string basses). What's clear is that you have to cover some (but I guess mostly) classical music when you study music formally. This almost seemingly hands over classical music to the educated. In the same way as philosophy majors believe they have the monopoly on philosophy. The reality is a philosophical mind requires no education in the same way, enjoying classical music does not require attending music school. If I now narrow down the discussion, to just classical guitarists playing repertoire then what I will say is, it's unlikely that unless someone actually plays classical guitar passed intermediate level, and knows the repertoire or at least something about each piece, then they will not be engaged for hours at a solo guitar performance. Still this doesn't make the solo performance an elitist event, or if it does then every event is by default elitist. Lastly I just want to say attire. You don't go to watch a performance in beach gear. It's perhaps my pet peeve that you really need to dress up a bit to go and watch a performance.Same is true for theatre or opera, you're also not going to walk into those wearing jeans. Attire here is a little bit elitist, and it creates a bit of a barrier for most people.

[@chia_s_ee_d]

as a swiftie and a classical musician for 9 yrs, i find some of these things are just etiquette, its like at a restaurant, do you chew with your mouth open? I understand if you dont like classical music but like pls respect it, twoset has let me relearn my love for classical music ❤

[@ChrisHarknett]

‘Is it elitist or is it just that we are told it’s elitist?’ I’ve been saying this about Shakespeare for most of my adult life, especially since becoming a teacher.

[@1Flyingfist]

If everyone could afford musical instruments and lessons, perceptions would be totally different. The mere fact that everything is so expensive, makes a certain type of person gravitate towards it. I have the same problem with snowsports and club level badminton 🤔.

[@quinreimer5906]

Well most people that like shakespeare are elitist pricks. Also as a current nursing student don't teach them shakespeare. Teach them useful things like how to write a research paper. Nothing hurts more than getting to uni and only knowing 3 of shakespeare's plays.

[@michaelblaney4461]

1Flyingfist there is a corporate music store in my area that serves all the higher end school districts. They have KZbin vids describing their line of cellos for their grade school program , "this cello is perfect for the grade school orchestra only $3000". "By the time you get to the HS orchestra you need this $6500 cello" . It sickening .BTW they did mention the price in the video

[@1Flyingfist]

@@michaelblaney4461 I can't remember. I don't think so. I doubt that they did though. 🤔 Just over a month ago, I was seriously out off by videos from other KZbinrs says things like "Can you tell the difference between this $30k flute and this cheap $600 flute". I was like, wtf??? 😭 Surely not... But yeah, the "cheap" one was still out of my price range after currency conversion. A lot of them have this shop in New York as their sponsor and the cheapest ones seem to be $1000. But just as I was thinking FTS 😤, I managed to find an ex hire flute. I know that violins are even more expensive than flutes. It's crazy.

[@sayismartinez7615]

@@quinreimer5906 having culture and a good education isn't being a prick. You may think it's unnecessary to learn such things, many other think that what you think is important, actually isn't. There's never gonna be a concensus. People hates whatever is famous, it doesn't matter if it's good or not.

[@charissadubin9355]

It bothers me that classical music is always shown in media as the music the student doesn't really want to play, and they "break free" from classical to play what they REALLY enjoy.

[@manuelaschnettler3699]

That annoys me so much!!

[@StevenFines13147]

There is some truth to it. I'm a classically trained operatic baritone; I love to sing opera, but there were definitely times in my training that I only sung a piece because it was required by my teacher.

[@TheYoshi463]

Well, as a kid I really couldn't stand classical music (I'm a piano player). Then at some point I started to only like classical music all of a sudden. I guess it has to do with the pieces you play as a kid being the "simple" ones which can often times be a bit formulaic especially with pre-romantic era pieces. These are pieces rather intended as etudes even when they are fugues or something, they aren't necessarily supposed to be listened to in free time. Who would listen to a lot of Czerny etudes after all? Another thing is, that as a kid I wanted to play by ear a lot, however, I had a teacher who was really old-fashioned and despised this, so I associated classical music with disallowing fun. But I'm pretty sure, the cultural image of classical music certainly didn't help, either.

[@MsVioletFlames]

I always loved symphonic/melodic metal. I remember once I watched an interview of the master on electric guitar Luca Turilli, and he said that many classical composers like Paganini were the first "metaliers" of that time. I went to check those guys, and OMG! I've been loving classical music since then.

[@macwinter7101]

I feel like the opposite is more accurate. Many people have to hide their appreciation for classical music because we live in a society that heavily judges classical music fans. People who listen to popular modern music often assume they are more socially competent or even superior to those who listen to classical music and other lesser known genres. Is the not elitism and arrogance? And those same people call classical music boring, which very obviously shows they think their music is better. That is elitism. Growing up, I loved classical music (and I still do), but whenever people asked me what music I listened to, I would lie and list whatever bands I knew were popular so that I could fit in. And I've noticed countless times that people will brag about all the popular bands they listen to, and they receive respect from their peers for it. Very few classical music fans have the luxury of bragging about their music taste and getting respected for it. And honestly, it seems like most people, regardless of their taste in music, consider themselves to have a superior taste in music. So I find it very odd that everyone jumps to assume classical music fans are elitist without noticing the obvious elitism in modern genres. My best guess is that, since classical music can be complex, people just assume that classical music fans regard themselves as superior for listening to complex music. But most of us listen to it because we simply like how it sounds, and we certainly don't listen to it for social status, since it wouldn't help with that anyways. There are definitely classical music fans who are elitist, and who comment on how modern music is garbage, but they are no different than many fans of other genres, and they don't represent all classical music fans. The reality it that most classical music fans hide their taste, so you wouldn't know what they are like.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

Both are and can be true. There's videos made and with 100s of agreeing comments on them, bashing classical or modern music or pop, and all kinds of interests. Some people are also just obsess with competition, grifting, being contrarian, what's trendy to hate, desperate to fit in or seem cool, bashing for attention, being close-minded, etc. Everyone's interests are bashed. I wish people would understand that about each other and be more open and compassion with each other.

[@styoless414]

Classical music has always been a symbol of wealth and the way it has been branded and made to a commodity is very elitist. Yes people who listen to Pink Floyd and nirvana can be arrogant about their taste but it’s not elitist cuz it doesn’t come from a position of power or social advancement. Certain bands and artist are more popular in social settings but that doesn’t mean they are a symbol of actual power in society

[@carcinogenicbyte7107]

I love how they mix funny music memes along with serious conversations of the classical music community. Respect and love. 💕

[@gauripande9273]

it's also peace and love✌ if uk what i mean

[@marg9202]

i'm a classical musician who also listens to rock and pop. and yeah, the first time i stepped my foot in the rock genre, i found a lot (and maybe everyone in the community) of people there are elitists. they are dissing everyone who listens to ariana grande, justin bieber, etc etc, and even called the music trash. and then i remember a conversation that i had on a group chat, saying that if they are a music teacher, they will named pop music trash. that's disgusting. i nearly quitted listening to rock genre because of that.

[@cheeseontoast3434]

That's so true. rock & metal elitists can be the worst. And it's a shame, bc rock & metal is supposed to be about freedom and fun and expressing yourself, and actually having that Fuck you attitude *against* stuff like elitism. But unfortunately we have too many of those metal purists. And what sucks even more is that young people who get into these genres can actually adopt this attitude without realising it's wrong.

[@joycastle.]

I'm a rock musician who also listens to classical music, jazz, pop (to some extent), folk, etc etc. To me, any kind of music is "good" when I have the feeling that it's honest. With most pop music, that is not the case (to be clear, I'm not saying it's not honest, but I just don't get the impression, and I may of course be wrong). And it's not a matter of being serious or not - for example, I think Weird Al Jankovic is "honest" because he makes the music he makes because it is exactly the music that he wants to make, and many pop acts make the music they make because they want to be famous, and it's not about the music at all. Again, my impression, I might be wrong. And of course, there are pop artists who are in it for the music, and I have no problem with that and often actually quite enjoy their music.

[@jurithemusicdivaofficial]

Oh yeah, I remember in 5th grade when I used to be a Kpop fan, when I was listening to Blackpink, my friend who was a fan of rock (P!ATD, Queen, MCR, Green Day) looked at me with a disappointing look and asked, “Why do you even listen to them?” But that was in the past, don’t worry.

[@marg9202]

@Marshall Lee u r lucky to find some, even tho it is extremely few. i never found anyone logic enough not to hate on other ppl's taste so i had to suffer all of those alone. so i decided to quit. that was the same time i found twoset and so grateful that this community is so open minded

[@marg9202]

@@cheeseontoast3434 yeah tho, that is such a shame. i wish i can do smt to wake them up. by the way, do u listen to queen? because of ur profile pict and display name

[@truekingvictory]

"Music is emotion. Controlled emotion." -Vladimir Horowitz "Music is not organized sound, but a universal language." -David Douglass (founder of King's Noyse, and violinist) *TL;DR* 1. Classical concerts can be overly formal and feel stifling 2. Modern popular music tends to focus on simpler, immediately relatable melodies. When these two worthies said these things, they certainly were not speaking exclusively about classical music. As an example, one of Horowitz's favorite pianists was Art Tatum. Regarding music as a universal language, I had the great fortune to hear those words directly from Maestro Douglass when I was attending a university with an early music class. In regards to other contributing factors for elitism in classical music, I think there are two other points worth noting: the concert scene/expectations, and accessibility (as mentioned in the video, but I'd like to elaborate on a specific point). Most classical concerts I've attended have similar crowds: people dressed to the nines, too often drenched in cologne and perfume, with conversations prior to, during intermission, and after the performance being very intellectual and full of witticisms. No clapping between movements as TwoSet mentioned. Absolute silence is expected. Compare this to the usual modern concert crowd, where people wear what they please, let emotions free, and dance as they will. In this day in age where freedom of expression is highly valued, it comes as no surprise that most people vastly prefer the latter experience. Interestingly, this has just started to change in the last 5 or so years, when the younger generation of classical musicians have taken to social media platforms, and have gained substantial followings. I think this is an amazing development. People can finally learn to enjoy music one their own terms, without feeling like they're locked in a prison for 90 minutes in the dark. The finer point about accessibility I've noticed that leads to an elitist perception is *the modern tendency to stick with melodies simple enough that they can be sung.* There is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all IMO. I'm just comparing that to something like a 4-part Bach fugue, where the first time I listen to it, I have no idea what is going on. Only with repetitive listening do the patterns emerge, and Bach's genius shines through. A perfect example is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpnTfXRqf5J4msU First time I heard Glenn Gould play this, I didn't know what hit me, but it was awesome. Only after listening to it like a hundred times, and finally dredging up the courage to play it (or try, at least) did I really appreciate it in its fullness. Compared to something immediately accessible like a Beatles song, a Bach fugue is information overload. In the modern culture of instant gratification, I see it as no surprise that people would rather listen to songs and pieces that are immediately relatable. Finally, the voice is truly the ultimate instrument. It is always with us, and of all instruments it (literally) speaks the most directly. People naturally gravitate towards the voice more than any other sound. My bias here definitely shines through, but there is no judgment here. People should enjoy any and all forms of music as they please.

[@hie7326]

I hope more can see this video, this compiles a very strong 'stigma' that classical music is seen today, I myself was once affected by these ideas until I see more vids from you guys. I hope more can see not just to understand classical music values more but also Twoset values, instead of 2 goofy dudes doing classical music channel when you are are very serious about how you want classical values to be understood better for us. Thank you again for taking the step to help classical music more 'mainstream' for younger generations. Thank you a lot cause I discovered more beautiful pieces thanks to you guys, it enriches my life.

[@raphichan7536]

My music teacher is actually elitist. When he explains something to us, he sometimes ends his sentence with: "But you don't understand that anyway, because you only listen to pop music.", which is ironic bc we don't even listen to pop music at all lol. Once he showed us a piece by Schönberg and asked what we thought of it and when we explained why we didn't like the piece, he said that Schönberg is just too complex for us

[@oskaraltman]

you don't like schönberg????????

[@oskaraltman]

have you heard his late romanticist works like pelleas und melisande etc.?

[@raphichan7536]

@@oskaraltman I don't really know much from Schönberg, I was specifically talking about the piece we listened to in music class. But thx for ur recommendations, I will listen to these works as well

[@silentsmurf]

What a jerk! How is this guy a teacher??

[@steamedbryce]

Sounds like he isn't cut out to be a music teacher then

[@am.a_cat2186]

I'm from Latino America and when I was little my mom showed me the Tchaikovsky violin concerto cuz she saw a movie about it and she listened to it all the time, I liked it to, so I looked for it and I saw the Hilary Hann performance and I loved it, but I didn't listen to anything else until few years ago when I discovered twoset and found all this awesome pieces that expressed all the emotions so beautifully and I never thought that I could find that in classical music, last year my mother bought me a violin and I've been learning (it's actually harder than what they show hahah) but I'm grateful for the world that this events have open for me. It's actually hard to find this music when the culture has in some way vanished it but two set has open a door for the new generation to listen this art♥️♥️♥️ (Also sorry for the bad English I'm Chilean)

[@ealston0826]

Congratulations!!! Keep doing you!!!

[@trash_irl3314]

Tu ingles es mejor que el mio y yo estudie en america por 5 años jajakajbd. Animo con el violin! Yo estoy aprendiendo guitarra y me interesa aprender violin algún dia.

[@benedictoryable]

Just love the recent episodes. Love to see how twoset touches on these deeper issues existing in not only the field of classical music world but literally every single field.

[@melodid5023]

Big fan of the more serious topics lately :) thanks for sparking my interest for classical music again guys.

[@joycew1862]

Imagine if Twoset made a podcast and just had hour long talks 🤩

[@sophiaroberto3563]

I’d tune in every week

[@colai1565]

I'd never miss an episode 😭

[@sunghomoon8588]

I think it's important people consider that when people say classical music is elitist, they may be referring to the lack of accessibility when it comes to education in classical music. As you delve into the highest levels of the classical music scene, costs of lessons, instruments, music, accessories, maintenance, travel, and become serious barriers. It is undeniable that most people who play classical music for a longer period of time are ones whose family can afford to support their education. Students of minority background are also often disrespected and discriminated against. By no means do I want to take away from all the hard work successful musicians have committed to perfecting their craft, or their love for the art. I merely want to suggest that elitism can come in many forms, and to those who might not be economically privileged enough to pursue classical music because of the barriers I mentioned, classical music can come off as elitist. Just my 2c.

[@lizziesmusicmaking]

True, but it also depends on priorities. I'm low income, and the most expensive object I own is a musical instrument. If you want it badly enough and are willing to be creative, there is often a way to get there, or partway there. As you say, the further in you get, the harder it gets to do because you NEED that good instrument and that specialized training and fewer workarounds are possible. Some instruments are worse than others. Oboes are a serious pain in the pocketbook in terms of ongoing costs, and pedal harp... well, I play harp but I will never play pedal because I am not spending everything I own on one instrument that I then can't transport because I don't own a vehicle. I can still own a lever harp and play classical music on that. Recorder is super-inexpensive to get into, although the costs start to add up if you decide you want to play every single size at an advanced or better level. Because bass recorders, even plastic ones, are still several hundred dollars, and you really do need lessons if you want to be able to play sonatas and concertos properly.

[@elijimenez7710]

💯 agree

[@Anshika_R]

TwoSet is the reason i got so deep into classical music. I love every single video they have made, they are my inspiration!

[@clberka]

Thank you for this. I appreciate it, and think more talks need to be had about this, and how accessible classical music is and appears to be. It's really been framed wrong. I hope we can change the framing as we go forward, and I love that you two are bringing classical music to young people. BTW, I was introduced to you by my violin students. :) They all love you, so your videos are changing the musical world! Gotta go.. haven't put in my 40 hours of practice today....

[@_prishasinha_]

As someone who has always kinda listened to mainstream music, it was really interesting to find this new genre that I never looked into cause it was never talked about. I still don't "understand" a lot of the technical terms and things, I'm just a teen who ended up being passionate about music cause I liked to sing. I love listening to this music I don't know and then get inspired to either write or research. Thank you for introducing a whole new world to me, I'm so grateful for that! :) Oh! and btw, you can listen to Taylor Swift and then listen to Rach if you feel like it! Just putting it out there

[@Rose-vt3ey]

Omg yeess

[@mrwolfeyes2955]

@Hamza Mzali Please, just stop

[@azlankhan9665]

@@mrwolfeyes2955 it's a bot just report replying won't stop it

[@swarali2904]

Yay, swiftie ❤️❤️❤️

[@_prishasinha_]

@@swarali2904 yup yup! :D

[@edithhubner7097]

Let me just express my gratitude here for all these two boys are doing (with help of many other amaaaaazing people): you created a mega community, you have your own fashion brand, you spread the word about classical music, you warm our hearts and sooooo much more! And editor san: I love you, you make this already epic content 1000 times better!! Lots of love to all of you!!😌💕✨ and to fellow two setters: love you all, you’re so cool:))) And to this ONE person that disliked in the first five minutes this video was up: you are a LAMENTABLE piece in Dminor, please go decompose, thank you.

[@ckchang-wg2lw]

I agree

[@ipsharoy7398]

LOUDER!

[@abigail40]

f a c t s :)

[@KatechivonRuskamafia]

"And to this ONE person that disliked in the first five minutes this video was up: you are a LAMENTABLE piece in Dminor, please go decompose, thank you." Ok but that sounded elitist XD

[@ealston0826]

@@KatechivonRuskamafia lmao!

[@llululala]

Brett's face saying, "Yeah! Why do all the villains listen to classical music?!" LOL, love it!

[@erinsuniverse3879]

Omg when he said “a lot of us feel inferior or left out… disconnected” I felt that. I watch this channel partly just to feel a connection with people who also share my love of classical music ❤️❤️

[@MJ-pv6ks]

A fact that eddy is one of the most articulated speakers i have ever heard, when he speaks i listen.

[@abigail40]

twoset do be playing their part in reducing elitism :) we stan n respect them for dat :DDD

[@maelcanicatti5907]

I am actually so proud of this channel for taking subjects (like also the mental health video) that aren't really talked about. Bravo!

[@luvenasusanto6938]

Thank you for this video! I completely agree & your points were so insightful 😊

[@alfred6272]

Hands down the 2 best ambassadors for classical music ever!!!

[@Singlesoap]

Yaaaas

[@heartofawanderer2862]

Thank you for always being so genuine and honest, Brett and Eddy, it takes a lot of courage, but it's exactly what makes it easy for a lot of us to relate to you and what you share. It's an honour to be part of the journey, for sure!

[@Eglucci]

My fist comment on this channel ever, but, in my opinion, this is such an important topic and I cannot thank you, guys, enough for bringing it up! Being a music school graduate in violin, although, not a professional violinist, I very often see people's perception of classical music (or even music in general) as being only for people, who were taught to understand (!!!) it or even for people who were *born* with a knack for music (musicians are born, not created, right?...). I often find hard time to invite my friends or my boyfriend to attend a classical music event of any sort (at least back when public events were a thing) due to their insecurity and fear that they will not be able to enjoy, appreciate or *understand* it, compared to me, an "educated musician", because I somehow just have some secret knowledge that grants me the access to the secrets that classical music hides in itself. And this is so frustrating! Something similar to the "modern art", which is also, in my opinion, oftentimes regarded as "elitist" or a "snob" thing, which you *have to understand* to be able to appreciate. I would even go so far as saying that maybe all Arts in general are regarded as "elitist" by the society? More often than not, people are not used to hearing classical music in their daily surroundings. Compared to "popular" or "mainstream" music, it is more complicated and not as repetitive, so it is harder to memorise it. It is often instrumental and has a more intricate structure so you cannot sing along as easily. Thus it is somehow cast aside and regarded as something that only people "educated in music" can appreciate and this is definitely a part of a public discourse. But at the same time music and art are somehow regarded as "less important" or "less serious" careers, than, say, law or business, or medicine. And I am not even sure, whether this "elitism" comes from the musicians or artists themselves, or rather the insecure society, which labels them as "less serious" and "elitist" at the same time due to the lack of awareness. I have had many attempts of familiarising my close ones with classical music and their tension and pressure to just have the *right* opinion on it, was almost tangible. And it is so lovely to see those people slowly lift that pressure off of themselves and slowly beginning to just enjoy classical music, without being scared of it in a way, without having to have the "right opinion" and starting to naturally develop their own view on it. This is why you guys are doing such an important job of familiarising the society with classical music so that it is accessible to anyone, even without a music education background. Music truly IS for everyone. Another thing worth mentioning, is probably music education in primary/secondary schools. From conversations with my friends and my boyfriend, I found that their insecurity about their musical abilities largely comes from their school teachers, who failed to educate them in a comprehensible manner, commented on their singing or lack of understanding the subject or who did not actually try to properly teach the subject at all as it was regarded as "less important", which resulted in them just skipping classes and feeling insecure about their musical abilities even now. Now I can see that my friends' children, who are of a school age, are also really struggling with the subject, in my opinion, largely and unconsciously encouraged by their parents, in combination with poor teaching, consequently feeling insecure about their abilities, skipping classes and seeing the subject as irrelevant to their general education ("there are music schools, if you want to be educated in music, why would we bother learning it in regular schools, right?"). This is really sad and I can see that the notion of "elitism" in music and art may come from general public's lack of proper education and understanding and therefore approaching the subjects with their insecurity. Sorry for a long comment, I would really like to know do you have the same experience with music education in schools?

[@vladiszlavvarenicja8590]

I always wanted to say - you guys are awsome. I learned about classical music from you, not the best way to learn about it, but now I love it! I listen new classical peaces every day! Because of you, I can speak about the classical music, and that helped me to find my new friends! I love you guys! Thank you a lot for your channel!