Our Own Artist Website! But What Do We Do With Our Etsy Shops?

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[@sararatliff7707]

The one good thing about all this Etsy b.s. is that I found Rafi and Klee. You two are really cool and I look forward to more awesome content. P.S. First KZbin comment ever.

[@tahliel]

I agree! I found them through this mess too. And I am SO glad!

[@wheetypeedy]

Same here. I love these two. So much information and good hearts

[@esaldana21]

Same!

[@gusmonster59]

I also found them through this small catastrophe. They have been do helpful and open. I appreciate this to no end.

[@user-wv2bn2cb1i]

Yes I agree. If it wasn't for this Etsy shipping mess, I wouldn't know about Rafi & Klee. I sell vintage and am not an artist but Rafi & Klee's videos can help everyone , no matter what you sell. And I just love you 2. So insightful and very funny.

[@kamp2500]

Did anyone ever bring up the fact that when Etsy increases the cost of our product to cover the shipping that the transaction fee that they take from us increases.

[@wheetypeedy]

I love this. If Im going to put all on my eggs in one basket its going to be a basket I made. 🤣❤

[@lblairart]

You guys work through problems like ninjas. I learn so much.

[@neelsnprayer]

Web Yoda is an AMAZING teacher for word press. He teaches nice and slow in his videos. I highly recommend anyone who wants to build their own WordPress site use him. You guys are awesome, you are making great moves for yourselves. Thanks for taking the time to make videos for us as well. I'm sure you both are exhausted. Keep up the great work. We love you both.

[@ShantellBancroft]

Etsy Importer is a free app in Shopify..😊 it is truly amaze-balls!!!

[@EmpoweredCrystals]

Thanks for sharing your plans! Etsy gets a lot of money from me about £7000 a year! 😭 I'm lucky that my brother is a web designer, though pushing people to my website is really slow! It's been running for over a year and I'm not even at 10% of etsy sales yet.

[@RobertScozzari]

Any business that depends on a third-party platform to be in business, and that could be Etsy, Facebook, Instagram, Shopify Etc., you are always one policy violation away from going out of business. You should ALWAYS be in control of your own website, have your own mailing list, have your own client list etc. Use the other platforms to support the website. One policy violation and your store could vanish without access to your customers.

[@ChronicCraftyLife]

FANNY PACK OF DISCONTENT!!!! I'm dead I'm done...someome put this on my gravestone

[@aekeus3479]

Have you checked out Renae Christine's business courses? She has Ultimate Architect (how to build a shopping website), Handmade Titan University (how to run a business), and Pinterest Academy. She promotes WooCommerce instead of Etsy. (BTW, Renae Christine's trainings are absolutely fantastic! Worth 10x what you pay for them!)

[@ang2316]

Thank you for being such honest people and not rolling it into the price of the the pieces. Also thank you for all your videos because as I start my own journey I am using your experiences to help me learn and navigate this confusing scary world!

[@Rafiwashere]

You Rock Ang!

[@gusmonster59]

I tried Shopify and found the shop set up to be difficult. I am not a super duper computer whiz, but I am not stupid either. But that's me. I went to Square, because I use Square when I do events, and will be buying my own domain there. Right now I have the free version, which is fine and is still Google searchable. Between you two and a couple of other artists' videos on this subject, I have a plan now and will be withdrawing from Etsy. One of the strategies I saw was to offer incentives and items on your new website that can not be purchased on Etsy, and letting your Etsy customers know. Thank you for your levelheadedness and presenting options and suggestions, as well as sharing your own strategy for dealing with Etsy. For those of us new to having an online business your videos have been extremely helpful.

[@sullicorbitt]

I could not agree more with you both! Your insight and humor is a breath of fresh air, thank you for sharing these videos. It's really helpful to me to see how other artists are reacting to Etsy's evolution. I have been using Big Cartel for 5 years and it's worked well for me. I highly recommend BC for artists who have less than 300 listings. Their customer service is very good, the platform itself is not as sophisticated as Etsy but it has everything I need to sell my work. It's also very affordable with zero transaction fees and scaled subscriptions that go up to $30 per month.

[@ringsroses]

I'm so glad that this Etsy situation led me to your channel. It's been discouraging to see artists in general being told that they HAVE to make and sell their art on other peoples' terms because social media has provided a variety of new ways to make a living off art. But, the idea that you as an artist are required to give up x, y or z in order to valid is such a false and predatory concept. I love seeing you two approach this problem as the artists you are. This is the type of content I want to see online and in the world.

[@denisemcintosh7568]

Thank u for these videos. As a Quilt maker my items are expensive. IE: not China junk! I have little to no profit because I already compete with the Wally world attitude of.....your crazy I could get that "blanket" at Walmart for 30 bucks.....lol umm....yeah. Etsy for me is not an option now.... I will run my business the way I want. I wont be over charging a customer and shrugging my shoulders saying who is gonna know....I will know!!! Plus remember It takes just 1 person to screw up your business while etsy tells you.....its not their problem. Again Thank you guys for the vids!!!!

[@tarininathaghoridurgadevi]

Not to forget that what they get would rise too since the "free" shipping make a whole new price as well. it´s a double win for them.

[@BlackThornRose]

Thank you guys for the resources, for making this video; for being honest and informative. Thank you for your integrity and looking out for the little people out there. Thank you for always being apart of the community and showing us how to lift each other up and to be true to ourselves. More importantly, thank you for being such an inspiration to so many of us.

[@HanieBCreations]

Only five min. in. Had to book mark this for today. I'm happy you guys chose not to go with shopify. I have been snooping around the net too. I will return. Sounds like you guys have gone with Woooo comerse. Girl.. You've got some quick wit! Have to come back to this... Rafi, can totally relate. Internet stuff can be draining. I got burned with my brand site taken over early days by a third party app who claimed they owned it. This happened years ago. The trick is to have a different hosting, and registrar. Own your domain and choose a separate hosting company. I'll come back to finish out watching this. You guys are doing live stream, but I've got a lot to do.. You're so cute chickadee. Love the humor here!

[@suegardner]

Slightly off topic but i have two big poodles and they love it when i sing ' Rafis rambles Rafis rambles, RafisRamblesWheeee!' To them 🙂

[@wendyelainedonald]

You are both so generous with sharing your experiences and knowledge. Thanks.

[@rpcalee]

Wow! Your website is even more awesome now. All that hard work really shows!

[@chocosart8451]

Be careful with the technical side of Woocommerce. Big Wordpress updates can cause big problems with all the plugins you might use. I set up a German shop with Woocommerce in the past and it was a pain in the butt. Also, the more products were added to the shop, the slower and buggier it got. Keep that in mind and good luck to you guys! (English Woocommerce Version isn’t up to online Shop law standards in some European countries, so keep that in mind with your European customers)

[@debbieprokopy2441]

The two of you ROCK! I'm in the midst of opening an online shop and first thought it would be on Etsy. Been doing research for a few weeks and have come across your videos and many other reviews of Etsy. My plan now is to take the plunge and go with Wordpress and the other pieces that are recommended by wpbeginners to just build my own website. I also love the WOO factor Klee! At almost 60, I'm excited to become part of the ecommerce community. Thanks so much for your sharing! Funny, I just realized Sara Ratliff said it was her first KZbin comment, this is my first too. You two definitely inspire. Keep up the good work. Hugs. . .

[@cheyannajones5411]

I love you adorable humans!

[@TheSirenandThePirate]

You guys are so great. I’ve been binging your videos since I found you a few days ago. I’m expanding my business next year into online sales and all the free wisdom you two put out there has been so so helpful and given me some clarity and better direction. Thank you so much!

[@HanieBCreations]

🤣 Ya girl is funny. You two are great together. Bounce off each-other so well!!! Pull out the heart strings guys. RIGHT NOW! 😁 After my bad experience (early days) of opening my shop on etsy. My sales sky rocketed after one year. I was blown away! However, than people started swiping my designs. My rant & rave caused them to come out with a digital upload protection feature. I was happy about it. Unfortunately, it didn't deter the copycats from swiping my designs, or adding subtle differences, and calling it their own! Wha-wha -WHAT?? kay... ? People were taking my designs, and sharing them on YT. and publishing them in Magazines! Unbelievable! This was very discouraging to me. It halted my desire. I learned REAL early!! Same shit happened with my website. People have to survive though right? Who cares about me. The creator. As for Corporate world.. AGREED. It's becoming commonplace with almost all dealings over the internet. I could expand on what I know is happening. I think I will save it for a PRINT VERSION PAPER BACK ONLY BOOK! Ya feel me? My dealings with internet is crushing the creative spirit. I am closing my Redbubble site as well. For the SAME reasons.. DAM it!! Wordpress is pretty good. I am NOT sure if they use third party registrar or not. I think they do.. I've been using the free version wordpress. Have also worked on websites . Choosing the best hosting and domain registrars can be tricky if you've not ever done it before. Don't believe articles written on 10 best hosing sites, etc.. These guys are paid to promote the hosting company they write about. I'm the type who wants full control over my online experience. Needless to say, it's taken me quite sometime to understand the ropes. I find that manipulative control feature A LOT. After a couple years of doing nothing. I finally decided to get back to working it again and now this happens. FRAK, ya know? Hey, don't fret the haters. They're probably bots or people sent out by etsy to sway opinions or keep people from moving their stores off the platform. Esty's death, has helped me in a BIG way. Been contemplating closing shop or moving on for a while. Couldn't do it due to Marketing, and long standing SEO. (I am with you on that.) Good luck you guys. I'll be around. I'mma sub SCRIBER YO! 😘 HanieB.

[@jongreenleaf1000]

Sell etsy coersion Stickers on your etsy shop

[@ArtistRebeccaLS]

Jon Greenleaf 😂😂😂😂 I’d like to those stickers too

[@annavannoni]

😅Rolf my asinine mind off! 😅

[@nicholas3354]

I love this video. You guys were careful to be fair and not talk trash through all this, but some people are very defensive.

[@deeknits]

Klee and her big-girl pants 🤣🤣🤣❤

[@kerrynwright]

Interesting! Lots of food for thought. Thanks for the information.👍 Blessings from South Australia 💕🐨

[@WayToGoOz2]

IndieMade sites are easy and viable for artists, I've had one for years. You can download Etsy items as well or synchronise if you want to do that. Thanks guys for sharing your views, it's been a great help and I am basically doing what you are, watching Etsy turn into eBay is sad.

[@esaldana21]

I just got approved to sell on the a.c. Moore marketplace. It’s suppose go up within the next week. 🤞🏼 I’m still considering opening up a shop on Shopify as well. I am also going to keep my Etsy shop open and redirect elsewhere. I’m so ready to be done with them... Good luck to all my fellow Etsy sellers. ❤️

[@Familytoyreport]

Great analogy with the brick and mortar!

[@stardresser1]

Love you guys. Came for the info. Stayed for the entertainment!!! Firing up my indiemade shop shortly.

[@pmg5550]

I totally agree with you.

[@ariadnedolloway8486]

Thanks for all of the information and updates. Much appreciated. Listening to you guys makes me feel like I’m part of a wider Community. Love your work 👍😘

[@suegardner]

This is great! I lurked for a bit on some online platforms just to see, but came to the same conclusion as you about working from home for these platforms. I set up my website of squarespace and I have started to have some nice sales on there this year. ( i havent got a huge body of work yet , but still it was a lot of work ) but i truly think its the way to go, good for you!

[@joeymatesic]

Great info as usual. Love your videos.

[@rebelheart7836]

Thank you for your frank discussion about Etsy and their... well I shouldn't swear on public comments so let's just call it their 'tomfoolery'. You've helped me solidify my decision to leave Etsy and start my own website. Thanks again!

[@BlackCat_2]

Totally respect your decision. :) Glad you are not closing them completely though. :P I am going to stay with Etsy but not doing the free shipping thing. I don't care if they knock me down in search rankings as I get most of my traffic from other places (Instagram, my creative KZbin channel, friends etc.) so it won't really matter to me. - Heidi

[@victoriabellanova2280]

Thanks for the video! Very helpful!!

[@fightthegoodfight52]

Cool, much continued success as you transition to your own websites! 😁👍🏾

[@melaniemarr445]

Thank you for the insightful information! I will check out the live stream!

[@aletaarcher3243]

Congrats on new website! You guys are the absolute best and good luck too.

[@seapossumsforrest8162]

Cool. Thanks for sharing platforms and research. Thanks!

[@danaellis6964]

Thanks for the update. Will look into woocommerce. Ty for keeping us on your journey.

[@ShelleyHannaArt]

I’m doing exactly the same thing as you (although I never felt comfortable signing up with Etsy, so I don’t have that to contend with). I do feel for artists that don’t have wordpress or website building experience. It’s A LOT of work but I do think it’s worth the effort. I’m setting up woocommerce but need to get some paintings done so I can put them in my store! I’m also connecting Printful for POD. Congrats on getting all of this figured out. You are rockin’ it! 👏 👏 👏 👊

[@Ken_Dalton]

This whole series has been fascinating and eye opening guys. As someone new jumping on to etsy I never wouldn't have known all of this bcoz I would not have read all the small print.. So thank u guys. Lots of food for thought moving on into the future! Good luck and best wishes moving forward 🍀

[@pumpjackpiddlewick]

Thank you for the thought out comparisons. Very helpful indeed! You have cemented some thoughts I have been having about shopify and woocommerce and the next step on opening my own shop.

[@danaellis6964]

We love you guys!

[@paulakelly9244]

I am so glad I found you guys! I almost opened an Etsy shop but was on the fence about it. THANK YOU for all the info! I will check out other platforms for my artwork. You guys ROCK!!! Subbed too!

[@robinlim2010]

Keep up the great work! Klee is great in providing comic relief

[@brookegartistry5477]

This was very helpful guys, thanks! And the pocket, is indeed, not small!

[@skrapkat17]

We have turned on the free shipping, mostly because we sell custom labels and most of our orders are under $35 anyway, so it won't impact us that much really. We were already offering free shipping over $50, so we didn't need to add the postage into our products. That said, we are working on building a Shopify store at the moment, because of the fees. After watching your video, I took a look and we have given Etsy over $700 in fees in the last 6 months, which we could halve with Shopify. So thanks for bringing up that point, I hadn't even thought of that.

[@seguraarts2330]

Thank you so much guys for all the information shared. I was planning in re-opening my etsy shop soon as I am a jeweller/illustrator artist. Watching all your videos on Etsy totally woke me up. I had no idea they had created those new policies. There are actually a lot of videos from many different artists that share the same opinions as you guys and now me. I will not be returning to them after such fiasco. I don't know what I will have to do to sell my arts because my Instagram doesn't have a lot of followers at all, and I'm just not a well known artist nor am I popular. I was hoping I could count on etsy as I did 5 years ago, and it turns out it's a disaster. I will not support them on their nonsense. It is so unfair ! I will have to figure out a plan for myself as I don't have a client base or enough followers anywhere to do this. But I WILL DO IT ! ... I dont know how, but when there is a will there is a possibility. I really appreciate you guys talking about this and sharing your knowledge with us all. Blessings

[@sherrydmyterko-tramp8654]

Thank you for the update.

[@MayberrySoapCompany]

I also went with woocommerce - as a soapmaker it is so easy to get lost on etsy, then with the changes pushing my listings further down in search... It is so much nicer to be in full control.

[@ravenskye6595]

I love u guys and your common sense approach to your businesses ....go you, now I gotta save my pennies so I can get an original from Klee

[@SereniaSaissa]

Good for you Rafe and Klee. I have bookmarked your new website.

[@barbara34810]

I wish you to well. Thanks for all the great information.

[@marciacarolwillbanks888]

Thanks! So great! So encouraging! Working toward my own online store! Learning so much! So much easier than it used to be. Been on Etsy since 2009

[@ninapiroschka9698]

You people are great! I love to watch your videos, they are always cheering me up to progress. And I really appericiate that you are so good hearted people. ❤️ Wish you all the best with your own website!

[@AlpacaMade]

Thanks for the a to z, really well thought out and fair warning about the learning curve for WP stand alones. On another note, can I just say the color palette in this vid is really nice; strong and pleasing at the same time

[@sylviapineda6717]

Awesome, I got out, thanks for information, calif, palm 🌴springs, thanks you and your lady. God bless.

[@saracarlson-kringle]

Thank you for showing everyone the steps you are taking [so others can think about them and try]...it means A LOT!

[@rebelzenart1406]

Woooooooooooocommerce! 💪💖😂.. loved you're ideas... very very clever!! Thanks my lovelies xxx

[@naomiwendy2234]

Ohm.... Great advice, see you Saturday for the live stream! 🤗

[@lfazzary]

Thanks so much you guys. I have been so upset and in a turmoil over how to leave Etsy-this really helps. I sell vintage and also I am a painter!

[@wheetypeedy]

I love you two.

[@jaxchambers7652]

Thx for all the info...

[@CoreyartusImagery]

I used to have an Etsy site many years ago. I won't be opening it up again, nor suggest doing so to others. One awesome thing that has come of this is that I found you two. I subscribed and found your Instagram, and I'm really really happy you've come into my life! Thanks so much for all you do!! Keep up the good work!!

[@LillenArt2]

It will take time to get people to come to the new site so good idea.

[@rebeccas.murphy.]

Omg Klee, you're so cute! I respect your decision and I plan on doing what you guys are doing. Thanks so much!

[@debaffleck443]

Hmmmmm a potentially new Etsy search phrase.... "creatives charging shipping" "storer charging shipping" yep this could be a new search phrase for my future Etsy searches 😂 Something to look forward to Being a part of the "change" I choose to follow 💜👍👍👍👍 WOOhoo 💜 Thanx Klee & Rafi

[@debaffleck443]

Yeah 😂 Lol's the word...I tried, but all I got was PAGES of "free shipping" posts ....sigh...I tried to redefine my search persmeters .minimal result...so, I am seeing that I shall just lean in and swipe till I get to the pages where the shipping charging creatives reside, so I can support them....yes, I am currently actively choosing to ignore others who are probably very nice peeps just trying to support themselves....but I want to support those being "punished" for not toeing the "roll over" line.. 😁 all the best to everyone, whichever toe we be smelling 😂

[@thatslifecaro1479]

excellent videos!!

[@sjz356]

Thanks a bunch you two!👫💕🙏🏼I really appreciate your time given & info as well. God bless you both in this journey ahead.~~~Sharon, on Hubby's account 😎

[@irisrobin]

You guys are #awesome !!! Thank you for sharing all your hard work and tips with us. You saved me hours of research. Good luck to you both. See you in the Woohoo world!

[@zhenya_hitrova]

You guys are so awesome, you have zero dislikes under this video so far :))) keep up great work and share with us!

[@ScottSerkland]

Hopefully, the Wordpress with Woo Commerce solution works for you. I was using Wordpress for a while but kept getting malware attacks that cost hundreds to remove, so I eventually moved to Squarespace, but it sounds like you might be proficient enough with Wordpress to fix any Malware issues on your own.

[@maceyloubrown]

Yes, I use and love Squarespace.❤️❤️❤️

[@softlanding138]

I had said I didn't see a problem at first but I never shipped enough art to know what is going on and also I do know shipping overseas is insanely expensive! But never thought I would be sending my art overseas! Live and learn. We learn a lot from you! Do not stop videos and all those other things you guys manage!

[@specter2205]

Good analogies!

[@mjpete27]

I found your video compelling and informative! I have never seen you before but I’m going to subscribe and see what you are about! You gave super good advice and I look forward to more! Good Luck, Have a wonderful day!

[@Ruxandra-mr3sp]

I was just going to revine an old Etsy account, I’m going to wait to see your ideas...maybe I’ll reconsider to either reopen or just look at other routes

[@carolynmurphy9162]

Thank you guys. I closed down my Etsy store earlier this year, as I wasn't getting any traffic, and I'm planning a rebrand with a new art direction (I just had old artwork on Etsy). This has been really helpful info, both from yourselves and other comments. 👍🏻

[@bluewaterpines8323]

Your you tube and insta are also huge links to your website.Congrats and thank you for your valuable insight for navigating rough waters.kel/ Noam Chomsky

[@jacquelineveach]

Once, twice, and thrice again; I'm grateful for your Etsy rants, and sharing your plans for your new site. "Woo" commerce! I loved it, Klee! (I commented early on that since I hadn't opened my Etsy shop yet, I wasn't going forward. It was named back when, but has no products. Today you mentioned reasons why it could help traffic to keep one's shop open; while creating a site. What would you suggest for me whose "shop" isn't stocked?) I'm sooo thrilled to continue supporting shop owners! I have always. No need to change now! I am committed to them. Thank you for the banner you displayed in your video encouraging us folks to do so.

[@JanetMurrayPickkle9]

yes it would be huge to actually see how you redirect and start your new venture!

[@ayquebella.]

You both are so amazing and I am very thankful for both of you! Once again, you have created a fantastic video about this debacle. I’ve been going back in forth between Shopify and WP/Woocommerce and your decision is helping me decide which way to go. A piece of advice I got was to continue on Etsy through the holidays in the hopes that my shop will still get sales even without offering this so-called free shipping nonsense, and with every sale, include info about my new site location (wherever that will be) and let everyone know on all my social media channels. I refuse to pay a company to be my (**expletive deleted**) boss. Like you guys, I hope to be directing my traffic to my shop’s future home. I very much appreciate you both and all the tips you have provided. You are a great help to us (current and soon-to-be former) Etsy sellers and I personally, cannot thank you enough. 🤗 ❤️ ✌🏾

[@TheMackhimself]

Ahh nice. Was just checking your channel/uploads 15mins ago, worrying that you guys might have had a setback on your enthusiasm with all this Etsy crap going on. Yes, I might spend too much time on KZbin.

[@cerabellamoanism6845]

Whoooo! ❤️ Smiles

[@georgewallace6525]

Thank you

[@ryennbailey]

Hi I have watched you last few videos on Etsy. My shop is less than a year old and I felt I had no choice but to give in to the free shipping nonsense. I struggle for sales as is. But with your advice I have started looking at other sites. I found rebels market. Many of my items lean towards there specific customer base. Thanks so much for your thoughts and advice on this issue. I feel Etsy has massively under estimated how many of their sellers are pissed off about these changes. 😡 I wish you the best of luck on your new path.

[@eighthhousefashion5194]

I use Wordpress and WooCommerce for my sites. Really happy with them.

[@ArtistRebeccaLS]

I’m hearing people saying they can use Folksy which is similar to ETSY but I’m thinking it’s only for UK people. I’m gonna see how a year on Etsy goes for me as I’m in my first week with them.........Was slightly bruising 🤕 I didn’t misunderstand your videos by the way 😊 Good luck with your woohoo Wordpress website 👍 it will be fun to see your progress I like your advice and Klee you are so funny 😂😂😂 *out in the rain with sad violin music* Great video Rafi and Klee We are all our own people 👊

[@jennyannartmixedmedia]

OK you given me some fantastic food for thought, I was going to close my shops but I do need to rethink it all. I will probably go with Squarespace and Redbubble and connect my Etsy to my site. Shopify has never really interested me for one it's connected to Facebook and also I believe there is the option of affiliate selling with Amazon so yeah no thanks. I am new to the art scene and don't yet have a my art on sale but in the near future when I do I want it to be reputable high integrity is everything in business. I am so glad to hear you've already taken steps to move on many best wishes for a fantastic future online.

[@africaart]

It's a good move. Don't burn the bridge yet (at least for traffic, network and all those years of sales/reviews which would increase trust of new prospects). Congratulations for the 'independence'.

[@africaart]

@@Rafiwashere Wow, that's great. It would be instrumental in persuading new collectors.

[@driesketels]

WordPress is definitely the way to go...

[@leosuniverse]

just make suuuure security issues.

[@driesketels]

@@Rafiwashere same here + it's free

[@debaffleck443]

💜💜💜 thank YOU for being honest about your process ... I had never seen your YT channel until your 2nd video commentary (?was it-eh no matter ) and I was so impressed of how Klee explained the various concerns, I then checked out your other videos and saw I really wanted to subscribe and follow you - because integrity + authenticity shines thru to me Oh and btw, whoosh yours was the first of a LOT of Etsy dissatisfied creatives reeling over Etsy's latest "CEO-led kaching" change .. wow, Etsy has certainly poked and excreted on the very core base that helped build etsy's whole appeal and core community... It doesn't appeal to me as a potential buyer...if I do, I may prefer those who actually charge shipping as a way to protest the current trend of luring creatives to practice potential illegal business practices .....thank you for helping me to define my own shopping practices to be even more authentic & integrious... Best of creative awesome luck to you both Your horizons look bright- woohoo!

[@attheranch873]

Klee is hilarious!😀🤣🤣

[@zenlegacy9496]

Hooray!! moving on with our lives🤣🤣 that my friends convinced me to subscribe

[@zenlegacy9496]

@@Rafiwashere thanks for sharing your views its a relief to see artists with a positive outlook and artistic couples for the win👍👍