Outdated And Confusing Quests in Classic WoW

[@ГеоргиСтатев-л6о]

Thank you Arnold, very cool !

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

My pleasure!

Blackwater Cove was the old name for Booty Bay, back when it was a human pirate town. Goblins renamed it to Booty Bay.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I didn't know there used to be a human pirate town there. Now when I check up on "Blackwater Cove" on the wowwiki I can see that it is mentioned shortly there. Interesting!

@Carver Yes, probably. Maybe they used the old name because of nostalgic-symbolic reasons. Or maybe the organization predates the new "Booty Bay" name. There are a lot of humans in the Blackwater Raiders, another theory that comes to me is that goblins pulled a hostile takeover of the organization.

[@martinmakay923]

I think the 2 NPCs in game are just referring to it as Blackwater Cove because they still think it is the pre-booty bay city and they don't know any better. I mean night elves live a long life, maybe the nelf chick in Darnassus haven't been to Blackwater Cove in hundreds of years.

[@L1terally_Me]

Put that cookie down, NOW!!

[@Aristele]

So glad I found your channel, everyone else who does those kind of videos always recycle the same things over and over. Very interesting concept and I definitely learned some new things! Keep at it :)

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

That's awesome! I'm happy you enjoyed the video and found the topic interesting :)

[@Graysfordays]

This was fantastic man.. huge fan of your content and love the focus on PVE. There is so much to unpack and so much speculation we can make towards additional content for classic+ in like 5 years from now. Love it, you can tell you’re a vanilla wow fanatic!

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks for the great compliment man! I'm very happy you enjoy the content, and I totally agree there's a lot of potential for something like Classic+ in the future. Vanilla / Classic still hides a lot of secrets, and I continue to learn new things about the game all the time pretty much.

[@Vapir87]

Always have some cool interesting vids, thanks!

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I'm very glad you feel that way about the videos - thank you mate!

[@Epicdps]

This is well-researched, quality Classic WoW content. Great video, Moegdal. Love the outro, you really tell you put lots time and effort into your work, unlike some other WoW content creators.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thank you very much for the nice comment, man! I'm happy you appreciate and most importantly enjoyed the video, and glad you like the outro as well :)

[@MRkriegs]

Good video man! That map is awesome. Northrend and the Maelstrom right where they are when they were to be put in the game almost 10 years later. Wow

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks man. Yeah, it's pretty interesting how accurate that particular WC3 map ended up being. If you search for "1999 map WoW" and look under pictures, the first one that pop up will actually look quite different to what we ended up getting. Maybe it is actually older than the WC3 map- who knows.

[@avargs3505]

Love such unique and well thought out content. Love your channel!

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks a lot for the praise :-) Very glad you enjoy the videos!

[@josejuanandrade4439]

A couple things: Azeroth was the name given to the continent now known as Eastern Kingdoms in the early RTS games, before they chose to use it as the name for the whole planet in World of Warcraft, and that's why the confusion. Blackwater Cover is the PLACE in where the town of Booty Bay is located. You know? as in the geographical location "cove"? wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Blackwater_Cove The Dark Riders were the ones that killed Sven family, they came from Karazhan looking for the Scythe of Elune. You even find the spirit of Velinde Starsong, the night elf that was the weilder of the scythe in Duskwood. She died in an explosion inside a cave, and the scythe was buried with her till Jitters found it, releasing the worgen in Duskwood with that. Morbent Fel was also looking for the Scythe, just as the raiders, but he wasn't involved in the murder of Sven's family. However, and here comes where the confusion comes from: Sven ASSUMED Morben Fel was an allied of the Dark Riders, and since he is a danger to the people of Duskwood anyway, he charges you with killing Morbent Fel... classic.wowhead.com/item=2560/jitters-completed-journal Here is a link to Jitter's completed journal. I suggest you to read it, because IS SO GOOD. I am always been proud of reading every quest and quest item in wow... they are always so reach in lore, and amazing pieces of work. Just read the journal, and you will understand. Anyway, the point is, Jitters NEVER mentions Morbent Fel, AT ALL. He even specifies the riders came from Deadwind Pass! The Morbent Fel situation was completely unrelated. It was mostly Sven wanting to take advantage of your pressence and use you to finish Morbent... It was like "Thank you for unraveling the mistery of how my family was murdered... BTW there is this bad guy back in that hill that i need you to kill" Undermine is a giant cavern, capital of the Goblin. But it has never been seen in the game. We knew about its existence ever since vanilla, but they said, because they goblin were not introduced back then, we may still see it in a future expansion, that has yet to happen. Some devs spoke about the fact that Undermine would be such a huge proyect, that it they had tried to include it in Cataclysm, it would have delayed that expansion for a while, and that's why you only see Kezan instead. Also, i think they don't wanna make more capital cities? Guilneas City is intact, yet abandoned for no reazon at all! Other then to keep the number of capital cities balanced between factions. AS A FUN SIDENOTE, the BfA dungeon The Motherlode, was called UNDERMINE in the Alpha. :)

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks for the added information! I have read most of the quests and quest items related to the Scythe of Elune, but I didn't know the spirit of Velinde Starsong appeared in the mine, so that's pretty cool.

[@0Wayland]

You make some of the best Classic vids, mate!

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks for the great compliment mate - I'm honored!

[@vilitimonen286]

If I recall correctly in the alpha version of the game there is an instanced zone called "Undermine" you can teleport to but there is nothing but ocean there.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

That's cool if it's true! It further supports the idea that Undermine was planned to be in Vanilla.

[@lordjorach]

Nice video, Moeg ! You should do more content about quest text. It's a cool niche that isn't covered a lot by other wow content creators. Keep it up!

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks mate - happy you enjoyed the video! There's a lot of potential in quests, I agree. I definitely expect to make more quest related/quest focused videos in the future!

[@dathornir5850]

ur vids and information give me LIFE

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Wow, that's great I guess :D Thanks!

[@BegToDiffer99]

Fascinating! Man, did I enjoy that! Thanks for this. You're crazy, ya know that?

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Really happy to hear that! Glad you enjoyed it... Crazy? Hehe :D

[@erejnion]

I always assumed the Dark Riders are worgen, considering that other long questline.

[@VelvetKitsune]

From what I remember (which was a while ago since I checked or anything) Azeroth was originally used as 'Kingdom of Azeroth' for Stormwind and such in the first Warcraft, then in Warcraft 2/3 was when it referred to Eastern Kingdoms, aaaand now in World of Warcraft it just refers to the planet. Really confusing how much they changed it around.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I think you're right about "Kingdom of Azeroth" referring to Stormwind or the human's kingdom. There seems to be those 3 different meanings behind the word Azeroth which is really confusing indeed. Blizzard messed up a bit in that regard.

[@MyTomServo]

What's worse is that in older Warcrafts the Kingdom of Stormwind is the Kingdom of Azeroth, so it went from the name of a nation, to the name of a sub continent, to the name of a continent, to the name of the planet

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Haha, is this Chris Metzen's doing? It doesn't seem very smart to give the word so many different meanings!

[@Kylora2112]

Azeroth was the name of the southern half of the Eastern Kingdoms (Lordaeron being the northern half) and then was applied to the name of the planet as a whole as well as the harbored titan world soul. Real geography is just as weird :P And there are a LOT of places mentioned in the game that have yet to appear, or didn't appear until recently (Kul'tiras, for example).

[@Hawkx10]

I also read quest texts but either I when I saw that one to go to Blackwater Cove I must've just looked at the direction and not the area and as more the Undermine references I feel like my brain said oh well not my problem it's this goblin's problem now.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I don't read quest texts all the time, and sometimes I just gloss over them and probably miss some references as well :D

[@mahboi64]

I love your dry humor, keep up the good work! Also do you think you might be doing dungeon or raid lore/boss videos in the future?

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Thanks a lot mate - happy to hear you like it! I totally might do some boss videos in the future, but they will probably be more focused around abilities / boss mechanics than lore since I'm actually quite a noob when it comes to WoW lore in general. Of course than can change so we'll see :-)

[@WokeGhettoSpiritualist]

Man, I remember googling a lot of these way back when.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Yep, I always used Thottbot back then if I needed to look something up.

[@Klaital1]

There was actually one dark rider in tbc already, the first boss of Karazhan, Attumen the Huntsman. It's also quite obvious that the dark riders are reference to the Nazgul from lord of the rings.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

You are totally right that Attumen the Huntsman seems to match the Dark Riders description very well, but I'm not sure it's confirmed that he's actually a Dark Rider. On the "Dark Riders" gamepedia page it says under "Trivia" that he "is similar to the Dark Riders...", so I'm not sure what to believe.

[@DrPluton]

@@moegdalswowvideos6800 The Dark Riders I had to defeat on my Balance Druid during Legion certainly looked similar to Attumen. The difference is that they had a less fiery appearance. They reminded me of Attumen if Attumen had a black color scheme, kind of like Death Knights.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@@DrPluton Oh, all right, that's definitely interesting and seems like a good way to distinguish them. Thanks for sharing that piece of information!

[@No0bT4rD]

Also the AH in booty bay is called Blackwater Auction House. When you get a mail from them it says it is from Blackwater AH.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

That's really cool - thanks for sharing! I would definitely have mentioned that in the video if I had known about it before. I looked at the shop names in Booty Bay to see if anyone was called "Blackwater something", but then it was the auction house all along. Awesome!

[@Altermerea]

Blackwater Cove could have been the ancient name of Booty Bay. Like, Goblin settled there and renamed the place for marketing reasons. That would have been cool. The name Azeroth was originally the name of the Kingdom on the south. Like, there were Kingdom of Lordaeron, Kingdom of Azeroth, Stromgarde, Dalaran, etc. Stormwind was only a capital city of the entire Kingdom, called Azeroth in older Warcraft games. It later evolved into the denonym for the entire world. That's how you need to interpret it if you don't want to be confused. Dark Riders are actually so spooky. Too bad they never appeared in Vanilla, but that makes them even more scary I think, because you never see them so they can be everywhere. Undermine was meant to be a Goblin capital city. Old Wow sketches had Undermine and Kul Tiras, but never added to game in any way. All these islands were meant to be added as a first expansion before TBC, but they eventually decided against it.

[@TheRayny]

Dark Riders a appear in some artifact weapon quests that take place in kharazan. Also, undermine exists and it's explored partly in the dungeon Motherlode!. In fact, undermine is just the name of the capital of goblins undergrown in kezan.

[@Altermerea]

@@TheRayny yes, like 13 years later. It's like, almost different game at that point. Legion and BFA has absolutely different story board, I don't even know do they have anybody from the story team who knew what they planned to do with Warcraft Lore in 2005.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@Korax The Dark Riders are totally scary and made more scary by the fact that you're in dark Duskwood when you hear about them. If I am correct then the very first use of the word "Azeroth" was as a name of a kingdom?

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@Enrico Boccardi I think I've actually done Motherlode in BFA, but I can't remember the Undermine part. Thanks for making me aware of its existence in there.

[@Altermerea]

@@moegdalswowvideos6800 yes, the name of the Kingdom. Kingdom of Azeroth with the capital city of Stormwind. Kinda like Kul Tiras is the kingdom with the capital city of Boralus.

[@kwstasgavras2802]

God i love Arnie voice.

[@badluckbrain5139]

I can't believe Arnold Schwarzenegger plays WoW

[@lhfirex]

IIRC, the "Essua" thing was a name that they used to call the southern half of the Eastern Kingdoms, but it was either in some obscure stuff like the Warcraft RPG (tabletop, I think?) or a book or some other supplemental material.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

That's interesting. I've never heard or seen the word "Essua" used in WoW before.

[@omniscientbeing4224]

as far as the the captain melrose, I have a theory, the missive informs us that reinforcements were being sent. what if they weren't or they didn't arrive in time? Melrose not being in the game could be a dark reference to him being killed by the undead. maybe Melrache was supposed to send the reinforcements, and chose not to in order for Melrose to be eliminated so he could gain the rank of captain? just a thought.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

It could be! I just think the names being so similar to each other (Melrose / Melrache) makes it likely someone made a typo or wasn't paying attention, but who knows.

[@omniscientbeing4224]

@@moegdalswowvideos6800 no doubt, I sometime over analyze and look too deep into things lol. I find it to be an interesting exercise, to come up with your own backstory on things in the game.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@@omniscientbeing4224 Totally!

[@Noobie2k7]

These kinds of videos always just remind me of how much potential Classic WoW could have had if they didn't just want to appease to the #nochanges crowd. I'd have freaking loved it if Classic WoW was actually a 'complete' version of the original World of Warcraft, where they went and included everything that had to be originally cut out for time or development reasons, like Karazhan, Dark Riders, all of the what feels like hundreds of cut quests, items and NPC's, along with whole zones and dungeons like Uldum, Karazhan, Mount Hyjal, Caverns of Time, Undermine/Kazak etc. Feels kind of sad that we just got regular Vanilla again, instead of the game Blizzard wanted to give us 15 years ago.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I'd have liked to have seen some of this content in a Vanilla framework as well, but that probably won't happen. I'm glad we got Classic "no changes", but if done right I would definitely be interested in Classic+ as well (alongside normal Classic imo). Maybe they should do that instead of Shadowlands or the planned expansion after that :D

[@alexandernagel8205]

MC was made in six days on a Mountain Dew binge

[@MatheusGomes-ej3mr]

i always used azeroth to refer to the eastern kingdoms, i just cant get used to call it any other thing nowadays.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I assume you played the old Warcraft games then? I only played Warcraft 3 and don't really remember in what context "Azeroth" was used in that game. In WoW I always thought of Azeroth as the whole world.

[@MatheusGomes-ej3mr]

@@moegdalswowvideos6800 yes, i did indeed

[@Noobie2k7]

I liked Azeroth just being the name of the right continent, i felt 'The Eastern Kingdoms' just sounds kind of lame.

[@Riskoger]

Hey mate, you play on Dreadmist EU? And you are danish right? god aften :)

[@Riskoger]

Never mind. Found out that you are from Flamelash. I just saw the "Wu tang clan" Guild name, and misunderstood is a big Dreadmist guild called, "Moon-tang clan". Fortsat god aften :)

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@@Riskoger Hey! I used to play on Flamelash but I transferred my 60 to Earthshaker some time ago. Right now I'm leveling an alliance character on Skullflame. I am Danish, yes. Tak for det og hygge hygge :-)

[@dror843]

u should have added the eranikus chain

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I didn't even know about that - actually I always thought "The Essence of Eranikus" was a single quest and not part of any (incomplete) chain. That's very interesting!

[@dror843]

@@moegdalswowvideos6800 yea but you see the reason its a "confusing" quest is you get essence from eranikus go to swamps of sorrows and the npc sends you to an npc in winterspring where you turn the essence in and the quest never got finished. later on the eranikus chain continues in the scepter of the sands quest line but the original with the essence never got a proper end

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@@dror843 Thanks for the details! That's definitely weird. It reminds me of the shaman Air Totem quest in a way. To be honest, I'm more surprised that it's a chain quest to begin with, but it being unfinished as well definitely adds a layer on top. I'll read through (finished part of) the quest chain when I have the time.

[@dror843]

@@moegdalswowvideos6800 see you still learn things you didnt know about this game even after 15 years :)

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@@dror843 Definitely! There's a lot yet to learn :-)

[@brushmere]

I miss Captain Placeholder.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I just looked him up - I'd never heard of him! That's a great and interesting story actually.

[@420haxx]

+1 for the accent alone. Would be cool to add +1 for content too :P

[@Notpoop906]

The WoW diary needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Not everything he says makes any sense or is actually what happened. For example, his reason for having no playable Goblins is that the architecture was too unique and it wouldn't be used anywhere else except the Goblin starting area....Except if you look at the actual game, there's goblin architecture in SO MANY popular zones. Winterspring, Tanaris, STV, The Barrens, Dustwallow Marsh. The list goes on. If you look around you'll see goblin buildings all over the place.

[@gozcubukcu1]

Like calling the US, America which is the name of an continent.

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

I guess it's pretty similar.

[@mesock]

We get to play undermine in bfa

[@hesssy]

in what?

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

Did we really? If that's the case then I definitely missed something.

[@mesock]

Moegdal's WoW Videos actually I haven’t played bfa don’t know why I said that, just was thinking that’s what the mother load dungeon was sorry :)

[@moegdalswowvideos6800]

@@mesock No worries - you might have been partially right. I think another comment said we got to see a small part of Undermine in the Motherlode - I actually did the dungeon myself but don't remember much of any of it.

[@slob1105]

who is your daddy, and what does he do? YARGH

[@picibobo]

get to da choppa

[@BillBrasky86]

closed captions, please. the terminator at least enunciates.

[@nipaigrat]

Wuwd of wuwcwaft

[@Nielsfest]

Dude get your words straight :p everytime you say 'wrong' it sounds like 'wong' or 'warm' it's very confusing lol.