(OUTDATED) [G&B] The Carbine Conundrum

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Music Used
TF2 - MvM upgrade station
DELTARUNE - Cyber Battle
Super Smash Bros - Bonus Stage
UNDERTALE - Bonetrousle
UNDERTALE - Home
sorry this video is kind all over the place and rushed, i'll take my time with the next one.

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[@cstan868]

“NOOOOO U CANT USE CARBINE IT SUCKS” me:”hahaha funni bootleg officer go bang bang”

[@Nananatremendo-ul2ji]

Haha funni smol musket

[@ManicObsevations]

Hehe, musketoon.

[@kateandales1735]

yhey i have been unleashed to us semi bolt ridle😊

[@jakeboooi2113]

haha carbin go smackin zappers with shove

[@ManicObsevations]

@@jakeboooi2113 why does it only do dmg on stun T-T

[@Rtrbr.Realism]

Carbine is if the musket and pistol had a child And don't you dare fucking ask how

[@rtgjhty]

Which one offered to get child 🤔

[@pavlo5551]

And parents didn't wanted it

[@Slash11512]

Flintlock Rule34 🤤

[@artyom1264]

The musket forget the condom

[@oliverfreitas8593]

​@@Slash11512WHAT THE FUCK

[@watermelon5521]

The whole "pistol is better than carbine" argument is basically just "officer is better than infantry so pistol is better" which, I mean... I guess the officer is better than infantry, but the pistol isn't necessarily better. It just gets the job done.

[@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822]

The point people making out of this argument is cleary that people who play as line infranty with carbine is better off playing officer. Both of these guns are pretty similar interm of stats and use, so why even bother debating about them.

[@ManicObsevations]

The argument is, "If you're removing the bayonet, and (effectively) using the pistol; why not just go officer?"

[@ronblox6502]

Which doesn't really make sense since The Carbine has more penetration compared to the pistol. If you're an officer you spend most of your time meleeing and going into crowds head first to gain a charge and only using pistol for bombers. The Carbine literally does more damage and acts almost like a shotgun when shooting at zombies up close.

[@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822]

@@ronblox6502 here the thing with carbine, it rarely come into uses. Carbine most of the time wouldn't done much better at all compare to other gun,, you would need to position yourself to make use of carbine superior penetration and the 10+ damage wouldn't come into matter at all. Your main objective is to pick off bomber which is easily cover up by other teammate that also shoot and if only like 2 people were shooting in your team then shit wouldn't even matter, bomber would still get through your defences.

[@ronblox6502]

@zaipollizamabdulmalek5822 not really? I pick off bombers but that doesn't stop me from using it on shamblers. The reload speed makes up for me using it on shamblers, too. The only time you're really forced to only shoot bombers is on kaub?

[@cheezyman500]

carbine is basically sawn-off musket except it's not buckshot roulette

[@archimedesfromteamfortress2]

"Carbine sucks, becau-" Shove mechanic: sorry to pop in unannounced (and a bit late)

[@sledger2066]

This was made well before it got the shove

[@sweetboss151]

And it’s still bad

[@stevenxp23]

@@sweetboss151❌

[@eduardocalderon9836]

@@sweetboss151 and you're wrong

[@sweetboss151]

@@eduardocalderon9836 emm * it takes almost 3 seconds to pull out carbine and shove, any teammates you try to save with it are already dead * you have to be close to zombies, with a gun in your hands. you shouldn’t be doing this anyway * carbine still turns you info “officer without charge” since even the double pistol is more than accurate enough

[@OfficialArmyman]

If you want a less accurate, less damage gun with no bayonet, just go officer. At least you have a better sabre for that trade-off.

[@Turtleboilol]

The carbine penetrates harder

[@JyJayneedsbleach]

Be somehow aiming better when using pistol : huh? 🗿

[@idontknowmanidkidk]

@@Turtleboilol is 1 that much of a difference

[@Turtleboilol]

@@idontknowmanidkidk If I remember right, you can move full speed while aiming, just like the pistol.

[@idontknowmanidkidk]

@@Turtleboilol pistol exists

[@ThePilot1984]

Carbine + Hand Axe is basically officer but with a better gun and melee weapon but no charge If you have no clue how to use the bayonet propely youre probably better off just picking the carbine.

[@Grenade_Edits]

i call that the Skirmisher Sub-Class

[@DaLameRodent]

Now that the carbine has the shove ability it’s gained some more use and power, why use you’re hand axe or Sabre when you can just press a key and shove away the shamblers that are getting too close? It’s kinda more reliable in my personal opinion cause then you don’t have to wait a bit and risk getting hit to use you’re melee

[@imperium8932]

The Marine on the video's cover is very accurate, spot on!

[@rtgjhty]

I prefer musket because swapping between gun - musket - sabre feels absolutely blunderbussing

[@Mr.RamenNoodlez_]

Not sure if it’s because this video is still young, but with this editing skill and amazing art for each thumbnail deserves wayyy more attention

[@DarpMasta_JDKg1375]

A way that carbine could be seen as maybe a potential choice to pick, is to make it to where the pistol can't penetrate the bomber's barrels as well (or in other words, give bombers resilience to the pistol) that way people may consider carbine. The only reason why this could be a logical choice is because the pistol's barrel is shorter and thus less muzzle velocity or something I don't know.

[@ManicObsevations]

Gigantic nerf to the pistol. Idk if the community would like it. I think the problem is that the carbine is a marginally better pistol. Not that the pistol is a marginally worse carbine. Cough* The pistol doesn't need a nerf, the carbine needs a buff.

[@DarpMasta_JDKg1375]

Maybe a guareenteed kill for anything with musket and carbine does current musket damage?

[@ManicObsevations]

@@DarpMasta_JDKg1375 do you mean, really high damage or /kill? And besides I don't think damage is the problem. 95 dmg one shots shamblers, bombers, runners, and igniters. 120 headshot can kill a zapper.

[@ManicObsevations]

Personally my idea would be to give it an ability; kinda like the axe and how it can brace/shove. I have a couple ideas: Shove. Just port it over to the carbine. Make it slower if you want. Idk An ability. "Focus". Stackable reload buff that lasts 12 seconds. (2 shots worth) Sacrifice some accuracy of the musket and the lethality of a bayonet for a quicker more supportive rifle.

[@elvisv500]

​@@ManicObsevationsit did get it 🤗

[@ManicObsevations]

Idea, the carbine is lighter, and smaller, so uh, press f to bash? It would be simillar, albeit slower then the axe, or you can make it the same.

[@hoangtrung21525]

Basically L4D shove mechanic

[@ManicObsevations]

Pretty much. Idk how to actually balance this other then a harsh cap on hits per swing. And maybe slowdown

[@Beltboy]

What about giving the carbine another melee ability like the musket that acts similarly to the axe shove, pressing F (no prepare, you shove as soon as you hit the f key) it'll have the holder flip the carbine and use it to stun zombies using the butt of the gun and have it deal the same damage as the sabre but the animation speed is the same as the axe swing

[@ManicObsevations]

@@Beltboy so a shove that does damage.

[@hoangtrung21525]

So like, holder shoves the zom l4d style, the zom(s) is pushed 🔙 prob 3 studs and stunted, runner would probably fall flat and swiftly get up, same animation as player hit by barrel. If they hit the wall, or their heads bashed, deals a minimal damage, maybe as much as priest's stake's 25 dmg. But this is situational. Give it a cooldown of 3 secs and it is balanced. Basically axe shove included pushback, no chargeup but 3 secs cooldown so noone abuses it. Also imagine how cinematic it is, shove zoms, they stumbles, aim and shoot. Thanks for reading.

[@wapandaforever242]

Now feel like the carbine is really good since you can sync it up with the heavy saber to make up for the lack of bayonet + the carbine shove

[@thewalleater297]

Tbh carbine fits my playstyle alot since most of the time I am the sniper of the team just stay behind and snipe

[@ManicObsevations]

Uh... I use the blunderbuss, because, uh, blunderbuss go boom. It will probably fit your needs, and then some.

[@dr.doctor4878]

​@@ManicObsevationshe's the sniper so I bet he appreciate the faster reload speed a lot compared to blunderbuss reload speed

[@ManicObsevations]

@@dr.doctor4878 fair, but like, blunderbuss. Bomber or not, that horde is getting vaporized.

[@dr.doctor4878]

@@ManicObsevations low penetration is still painful. I have moments in Catacombs where the pellets didn't reach the bombers. *Bruh*

[@ManicObsevations]

@@dr.doctor4878 first, cannon Second, slight elevation goes a long way.

[@harveysmallwood729]

NOTHING will stop me from using the carbine as KGL and pretending to be a rifleman On another note I think they should make a rifleman/light infantry class, slow reload, no bayonet but with a slight movement and swing buff and more accuracy

[@adyensp]

the issue with rifles in gnb is that musket has perfect accuracy and there’s no need for good accuracy atm

[@user-fy1tw2lo2c]

I feel the best stat to make a rifle usable is some ungodly penetration like on par with roundshot but to still give it the bayonet now thats along with a long reaload i feel that might work but dosent matter they put that bitch in FAQs😔

[@bloxyman9012]

@@adyensp bro transcended t reality

[@Halfway-Stupid]

​@@adyenspExactly. I'd love this class idea if it weren't for the fact that it isn't even necessary.

[@ManicObsevations]

Maybe we can try a more melee oriented class?

[@elibal5917]

Splendid!

[@theandroidsentbycyberlife5215]

i like the carbine cause it has similar penetration to the musket, atleast the last time i used it... which was shortly after the reload buff... edit: i used it again, still works

[@noobynate_4955]

NOW THE CARBINE CAN SHOVE!!! RAAAAGH!!! CARBINE JUSTICE!!!

[@event_unrealthe2nd]

W.

[@Azztec211]

Bro predicted the future at the end.

[@turtle980]

Fun video keep up the great work

[@Kahve-yl6jv]

I think the carbine is one of the best weapons, even musket/blunderbuss level. I personally use it most of the time, and it's really good to snipe off bombers just like you mentioned in endless, san sebastian, kaub etc. While the penetration/accuracy difference between the musket and the carbine are mostly unnoticeable, that cannot be said for the pistol. I also agree with the fact that the hand axe is overrated. It has such a low range and swing rate that cannot make up for its damage and generally more unreliable than the sabre. I am not biased at all, but I love the carbine with all my heart

[@A452L]

"Thy carbine, i have done thy time with THY 1000 hours!"

[@sethivaltas619]

Production value 👏

[@2fore2splace50]

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[@Nauseousness123]

4:51 he meleed the fucking bomber saving the sappers builds.

[@devilmite]

Nice edits

[@dogefan5571]

ur vids remind me so much of uncle dane vids, love it :v

[@MicrowavableToaster]

The "Mann's Guide" vibes are awesome

[@bigmanmonkey10]

fire video

[@shadowduckgaming7053]

I love all the undertale music in the backround

[@wall-on-youtubelol]

The update made it better, Shove and 6.7 reload speed.

[@Soldier8886]

Well glad that I came back after the update since they added the shove feature in the newest update

[@WilsonGaming872]

And so they did. They buffed it with shove

[@AJiguess_]

I like carbine mostly cause of the higher speed during reload, it helps me escape from zombies when in closed in areas and it looks cool

[@Colin__]

The carbine's the line-infantries pistol! reason why I use it is so that I can pair it with the hand axe, which the officer does not have!

[@mr.maxywaxy1536]

Carbine is even better now that it can shove!

[@toastvontophat320]

Carbine gives you carbs

[@theokonepp2784]

I know this might not make sense but maybe they should increase the reload rate and accuracy of the carbine. Embracing the role of picking off bomber and ignaters.

[@ChansonOignon-qd8nv]

I mainly do this with fast paced obj maps, where most of the servers are really experienced and steamroll through objective, since I’m prolly gonna use my sabers anyways… or in close quarters maps where there’s way too many seaman already

[@Jean-Louise.]

The intro reminds me of sound smiths "A mann's guide to the beggars bazooka"

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literally manns guide but with funni napoleonic lego people

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[@TheMemer397]

"maybe they'll change it sometime in the future" They did. Say hello to the Carbine's shove ability.

[@Galaxyalr]

nice

[@user-ug1ze2yw2y]

Musket + Pistol = Carbine

[@Testdumy97]

Can you show some cool cosmetic combos

[@AbsoluteBuffoonery0]

cool

[@nikosavramopoulos]

If you want to use the carbine have this loadout carbine-hand axe-grenades you will basically be the equivalent to a napoleonic assault class

[@spiritmoon5998]

Finally, someone said it. YES, when it comes to stats as a standalone weapon, the carbine is a good weapon and better than the pistol. But when it comes to the intended purpose and role of each class, equipping the carbine is essentially like being a line infantryman without a bayonet and an officer without a charge ability. Plus, the pistol doesn't have terrible accuracy anymore. It's more than adequate for bomber popping, and can even snipe them VERY easily (especially in first person)

[@devotion5940]

Recreating "The Fallen Angel" for this was some dedication i'll be real

[@nunjustanun8229]

Carbine is basically a light infantry weapon if you dont want a musket.

[@coolcosmic4351]

I feel like if the Carbine had a bayonet, it would be very op because your hardly slowed when reloading this thing and if zombies get close, then you can just immediatly stab them with bayonet if it had one. But other than that, the thing that sucks about the carbine is the penetration, they need to bump up the penetration of the gun because I feel like, 6 isn't enough. Sometimes when I aim for a bomber, the shot never reaches the bomber because they be covered by multipler zombies.

[@tylerd.1]

You play Officer if you want to have fun, you play Infantry with Carbine if you don’t want to risk dying to zombies

[@ValirValor]

it helps a certain kind of player like me (loves the quick load, cus we're no brainer-rushers and impatient asf) i cant withstand the stress watching the bomber get into my 100% hit range when using Officer on Catacombs; and i also fear that the penetration on it wont be enough to go through 1-3 zombies in front of the bomb. Also, idk why, but sometimes when i shoot a bomber on Kaub last-stand, it just... tanks it (?) and scrolls towards the sacred fortifications, blowing like 3 layers of wood and 2~4 mateys

[@mrmemes170]

Ah yes, the watered down pistol.

[@czeianilejay4633]

while the carbine may seem almost outclassed by the officer's pistol and charge,its still looks like an good mobility weapon for the line infrantry,the pike might look better,but if your looking for a weapom with good damage while not being as slow as the musket,pick the carbine like i will (once i got enough francs to buy it)

[@certifiedgoofba1l]

i would say the carbine is actually kinda cool!!! rahhhhhhh!! also im first comment hehehe ha

[@LighthorseLancer]

POV: You make a guts and blackpowder channel and realize after spending half an hour making the Picture in studio you ended up copying his cosmetics with a singular accessory difference because you didn't properly remember what ones he used and swapped off your unique ones (I was sleep deprived)

[@videoerYt]

The carbine has been buffed to have a 6.7 second reload and can now shove zombies which can stun them

[@reshady.]

4:41 yup, they made a shove feature with the carbine like the sappers axe.

[@airbusa-400m3]

Hi 2fore2, its me, HMS_Undaunted! I was the guy who shielded you from 2 shots in Lexington And Concord! (Today!) It was fun but sadly my recording didnt save and my ping was like 3 thousand... But cheers man! -from littleprincemica27.

[@K1-Revelation]

I remember being there last night. It was an amazing time. (Even if I suck at the game)

[@gigachad_the_giga]

carbine and axe are a mixed class build like yoiu havd the hand axe where it just does more damaga than the sword but you have a shit musket so you replace it with a musket pistol gun

[@Yuh_zhimmy]

It’s interesting that even with the shove, this weapon still doesn’t have a lot going for it.

[@wanimajugaming9777]

If ur team got bugler and officer. And you also don't want to switch from sabre to bayonet about few seconds, then carbine is good. It's literally just blunderbuss, but you need skills

[@vibecheck2163]

thanks for putting me in the end of the video pookie

[@2fore2splace50]

np cuh

[@popbob7120]

carbine becomes utterly useless in hardcore, including pistol and other items that deal low damage due to the power up of the zombie uh idk what to say lmao

[@Vieille_garde]

The 5 people still playing hardcore be like

[@handlemyd-]

​@@Vieille_garde gotta get those easy francs

[@Braian9887]

​@@Vieille_garde no no, hardcore server always have 4 servers with 15 person

[@Idkwhattoaddherelol]

Best weapon to clutch in endless of the speed

[@thunderspark1536]

I'd say it's still good, since the officer does more melee dmg to get their charge up, while the carbine picks off those zombies the best overall.

[@burninghotnewtown]

I love g&b

[@Vieille_garde]

The carbine...im quite mixed on it. The officers pistol pretty much allready serves the purpose but ya know the reg musket is much worse. But even with the officers pistol allready serving the purpose of the carbine, the carbine is just better. The only difference is the class since yknow you will play differently. Also please for all bayonet users out there get the fuck out of my house- I only find the bayonet good in charges but not much else. Its awkward to aim in third person even with shift lock and using it when there are more then 3 zombos on you will guarantee you getting munched like a cornflake.

[@idontknowmanidkidk]

no it isnt🤯

[@Vieille_garde]

@@idontknowmanidkidk thats YOUR opinion ol chap, and that is MY opinion

[@pavlo5551]

​@@Vieille_gardeif you made a comment, you should be expecting people to reply instead of saying that it's just your opinion

[@stockest1976]

one word: Bayonet

[@Vieille_garde]

@@stockest1976 mid

[@Cherno_Lad]

3:00 so basically, the carbine is just the pistol but better for the catacombs & vardohus finale (and I guess you could include the Leipzig finale too)

[@togytogathan1302]

The carbine gives the average lineman all of the perks of being an officer, without any of the perks of being an officer.

[@POTAT0_FREND]

I think that the devs balance was the long sword thingy so you get a faster gun for a longer and slower blade

[@engineergaming8272]

it carbine shove not the heavy sabre bruh

[@user-yz1rz8os7l]

Dude I love Ahmad axe

[@BanHammerFromPhighting]

using the carbine is like playing a mix of officer and sapper, but with the good parts of neither of those

[@engineergaming8272]

carbine shove is faster for me and plus it deal 10 damage now 10 damage doesnt sound alot but it can help to chip down the zombie health

[@BanHammerFromPhighting]

@@engineergaming8272 'carbine shove is faster' yeah, but if you see a teammate getting grabbed and you have your sabre out (as you should), you have to go through the equipping animation of the carbine, which slows down the shove by a LOT. The carbine shove can't stun Zappers, and it has a lower hitcount. Not to mention, using the shove as an offensive tool to 'whittle down health', is illogical because you can do three times more damage by using the sabre. Oh, and if you didn't know, hitting a zombie with a sabre makes that zombie unable to grab you for a bit. So basically, the sabre has a built-in shove.

[@Yuh_zhimmy]

@@engineergaming8272why tf would you chip down a zombies health with a shove???

[@lucalarocca2207]

Yo 2fore2. I met you in a Typical colors 2 sever a while ago. I was that one scout you kept disguising as and running into. I even sent you a friend request

[@mastertree14]

I swear while playing Line-infantry for my next video i'm making... I like the carbine better then the musket. On Catacombs I hit more bombers accurately then the musket. Any of the times i missed was either smoke from other guns blocking my view or the lack of penetration for the carbine.

[@staliniosifvissarionovich5588]

turn off the smoke.

[@mastertree14]

@@staliniosifvissarionovich5588 Theirs a reason why i stated video. I usually turn them off when i'm not recording.

[@kyletravisd.libores1179]

Ngl i would say to buff the carbine is being faster than the pistol and make deal more damage against zappers or have a passive that makes u walk faster by just a little and its max is like 6%-10% bonus walk speed(but doesnt apply to reload walkspeed)

[@xxdarkskillxx9113]

Even still the carbine is now the 2nd or 1st best weapons as the carbine can now shove and the shove do dmg it does 10 DMG when you are shoving

[@wolfmoonens3378]

I love the carbine

[@borgyboy29]

I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but whenever I go first person as an officer it feels like all my pistol shots gain 100% accuracy, I've shot bombers & igniters at far ranges similarly to the musket (Last part of Paris Catacombs, me being far from the zombie spawnpoint in La Ferme d'En haut, and any zombies past the debris barricade in Leipzig). With my experiences above I'd obviously choose officer rather than a carbine line infantry.

[@MiloAnakin]

Conbine officer Sabre and carbine your unstoppable

[@noitresly]

sawed-off musket real

[@fawwazrakigunawan8748]

Carbine is a gift a gift from hell

[@RichsYT]

Skirimisher

[@user-ii7hv3sk1j]

HEY THAT'S ME HOLDING A JACK-O'-LANTERN AND BEING A PREIST

[@user-lq2ly3xu1w]

In vard map

[@jammijammerz]

someones fs been watching the what show

[@ckaegaming4767]

What if you could wack zombies with it like a cricket bat,and the smack would have a chance to stun zombies(similar to the sappers axe)

[@TheMaskedz]

I have been using the saber instead of the bayonet when a officer uses charge...What was I thinking

[@jayzonrondario8876]

Carbine has shove now

[@inight6509]

What do you recommend me to get first or grind? I was thinking in getting the Double Barrel "Pistol", and later get grenades and water buckets

[@JACGaming45121]

Hello Shovel!

[@MEDICGAMING7]

Normal explaination of guns and zombie

[@breadthegreat461]

Carb is the best gun when it comes to a quick scope or medium range.

[@mrinsomniac2968]

Good news, ITS GOOD NOW YIPPIIIII

[@DarkFlamerYay]

deltarune goes hard

[@ORION_XI]

>remove carbine from shop >make partisans >give it to them (rng) carbine fixed with the power of ignoring the problem!

[@yahyaahmed8422]

Pls make more vids like this

[@vidislime09]

I think they should low carbine price Its like using Pistol, but better

[@Peterisfat2]

2fore2 is my dad