Outer Banks | 3x3: “Fathers and Sons” REACTION!!

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

some of you all (everyone in general) just hate on kie for no reason like wtf. am wondering where its coming from...cause johnb kissed kiara and went after sarah the day after and none of you say anything...sarah literaly known for cheating on her boyfriends but no one says anything (love her tho)...kie literaly doesnt do anything since the start except risking her life for all of them. We all know how pope was all over her , like literaly and if we watched the same show its clear that she wanted to give it a chance but it didnt work out. so what does "makes her look even worse means". thanks nathan for spilling

[@sabahk]

I'm agreeing with nathan this episode 1) not everyone has to be redeemed 2) kie doesn't owe pope anything- she tried to like him (cause she felt bad for him), she didn't, they talked, it's been like a month now. Is it good? no, but they're teenagers and she didn't intentionally try to hurt him. You can't choose who you like unfortunately edit: Also they were always friends first. I think if pope still wants them to be friends then he would want what's best for her and also JJ. He's just hurt right now cause it stings knowing kie never liked him but likes his best friend- to me no one is in the wrong now (it would've been wrong if jj didn't talk to pope, but he did)

[@margotjohnson6501]

its not kie's fault that she didn't like pope, she tried to like him because of how much he liked her but as soon as she realized (after sleeping with him which is when a lot of people realize if they like someone or not) she told him! How is it her fault that she likes JJ weeks/months later? You can't choose who you like, and if her and pope are friends he can understand that like how he didn't choose to like kie in season 2. He said to JJ that he didn't like it but he wasn't going to stop them and then in his talk with cleo he moved on from focusing on someone who doesn't like him back. I think if pope, JJ and kie can be understanding there is no reason for you guys to be so pissed at them. Also I dont think they realised they were flirting on the island, i think the almost kiss was the first 'romantic' moment and as soon as it happened JJ talked to pope.

[@lashaee1811]

THANK YOU I HOPE THEY SEE THIS COMMENT … like they literally forgot all of them like kie & all of them knew so john b made a move it didn’t work so wat did pope do ? he made a move even after his best friend had kissed her thennn while pope was crushing on kie he forgot jj had feelings for her as well & jj being the good friend that he is put his own feelings aside for pope

[@lilly50821]

she shouldn’t have slept with someone she didn’t like. she knew how much he felt for her. she played him.

[@jadebordelon6962]

@@lilly50821EXACTLY

[@lapris7380]

In that moment she thought it could work. She didn’t sleep with him thinking “i don’t want to be with this person but lets sleep together” she was looking at him in a different light and was thinking maybe it could work and pope and her could be good. After she regretted it and saw that it wasn’t right. They talked about it and decided it was best to just be friends. It was stupid but she didn’t mean to hurt him.

[@baileym8303]

Neither JJ or Kiara are in the wrong for liking each other. Kiara tried to like Pope, but it just didn’t work out between them. Pope eventually understood, they talked, and they both moved on. It’s been a month or two and Kie and Pope were never even fully together. Kiara can’t help who she’s developed feelings for and neither can JJ. JJ has liked Kie for a long time, but never acted on his feelings before because he doesn’t think he deserves her. Pope is still a little but hurt, understandably so, but he would want the both of them to be happy. They’re all friends first. JJ talked to Pope as soon as something happened between them, and Kiara doesn’t really owe Pope anything at this point.

[@Lakerfanforlife]

Correct ✅

[@dora3914-e1b]

Couldn't have said it better

[@amyperaltiago]

This

[@haruu4342]

thank you

[@jc1778]

Literally

[@manuelagaviria5542]

Also, you guys keep saying that JJ and Pope are best friends but don't forget that Kiara is also best friends with them. She wouldn't do anything to intentionally hurt any of them. The minute she figured out she didn't like Pope she told him and for him to get mad after they talked and said they could stay friends isn't fair to Kie. They were together for one night, but it doesn't mean he now has a claim on her and she can't like JJ. You guys forget that they are teenagers and are trying to figure out their feelings. With Pope, you can see that she was always unsure about how she felt but Pope kinda pushed it which is what made her give it a try. With JJ, you can see that she feels more comfortable and is the one approaching him.

[@marvelousmia]

what's unique about this channel is that every discussion we get an argument 😂

[@JustUs]

Keeping it authentic

[@rafaamancio3947]

Obx knows he hit the best couples. Jarah, Jiara and Clope. I love how JJ is crazy about Kie, and how Kie has a crush on JJ.

[@UriosEditz]

I hate Jarah and all the relationships seem forced.

[@stephonriley7491]

@@UriosEditz I’m kinda thinking that now

[@iovejazz]

the way the argument just cut to "thank you guys for watching!"💀💀

[@marietou0629]

even if you guys didn't pick up on it, there has been several hints that jj likes kie (hitting on her in the first ep and showing a lot of jealousy) but i don't think he ever thought he had an actual shot with her, so he pushed his feelings aside for pope, he's probably super confused about what to do and i dont think he could be blamed for his feelings right now. and for kiara it also caught her off guard but she's been catching feelings since the season 2 finale. and also she's not just some random girl y'all are ignoring that she's both pope's and jj's best friends saying she's "homie hopping" is weird.

[@prodigywitch7685]

y'all's discussion on the whole pope jj andkie situation is so intense lol, so many opinions flying everywhere. definitely interesting even if i don't agree with some of it. i do appreciate nathan's objectivity on the whole situation, i'm leaning towards his end of the argument for sure. i feel as though we're discrediting kie's friendship with pope a little bit. they didn't work out romantically, but they already had a convo at the end of season two where they both agreed their friendship is solid and they're gonna put their weird romantic stint behind them. i don't think she OWES him anything...she didn't do anything wrong. and technically, neither did jj because he wasn't planning on making any moves. the second something almost happened, he went and talked to pope about it. a person feels how a person feels, that's just how it goes. also, kie's not some random girl that joined the friend group recently and is now fucking around with the boys for the hell of it, so...maybe we chill out on some of the misogynistic language. i know it's not intentional, but "homie hopping"? oof.

[@dora3914-e1b]

You explained that PERFECTLY.

[@samiira6122]

ppl hate on kiara for "playing all the pogues" like no she didn’t… she tried liking pope but she just doesn’t like him i mean what is she suppose to do😭and they’ve been hinting at jj and kie getting together since season 1, he always liked her and she definitely liked him back (it was pretty clear to me lol)

[@UriosEditz]

She didn't need to sleep with him and john b kissed him bc he thought she "likes" him.

[@lapris7380]

She slept with him because she thought it could work. That whole day she was looking at him in a different light and she was attracted to him. She rested in that and made a decision. It was the wrong one and she found that out after.

[@maer_chen]

Why are ya'll talking like it's only JJ and Pope's friendship that counts here All of them are best friends, Kie isn't about to go for her "ex's bestie behind his back", she's falling for *her* best friend, that she's been hanging around for *years* now. Sure, she didn't always handle things well with Pope in season 2 and I think the writing is partially to blame for that, but neither did Pope. Getting mad at someone for rejecting you, then acting surprised that they don't have real feelings for you after getting guilt tripped into hooking up with you isn't the way to go either. Pope was in the wrong and so was Kie later on, but they settled that at the end of season 2. They were never really a thing, so there's no reason for Pope to act like she can't go for the guy (her best friend btw) she has real feelings for Ya'll be wildin'

[@sabahk]

cleo calls pope "pipe" because in season 2 when she asked for his name he introduced himself as "gray pipe" - I forgot about this as well

[@JustUs]

completely forgot about that haha. makes their relationship even cuter - nathan

[@TR-do1qt]

pope imitating cleo's accent, made me laugh, they are cutesss

[@booklover007]

TBH i don’t think JJ or Kiara is in the wrong for the way they feel, the pogues had to have known that JJ liked kiara because in s1 he said they all had a thing for her which wouldn’t exclude JJ, he also said he tried with her before and i’m pretty sure pope would know about it. And like y’all said they were probably flirting the entire time on the island. On the other hand kiara can like who she wants .. she did tell pope that she wasn’t feeling him and he can’t be mad at her for moving on. So i feel like you should either blame them both or not blame either of them.

[@mrkmoney1234]

They’re in the wrong for doing all of the flirting behind Pope’s back without first talking to him. They were flirting behind his back which is why catching them in this moment is shown his reaction to them liking each other. What happened before Pope and Ki got together doesn’t matter to Pope. Ki was his first and that means something to him. She was all over him then acted like she was disgusted by him. It literally meant more to Pope than Ki. She does all of that then goes after his closest friend; doesn’t sound like she’s a good friend at all. Heck, she was treating Pope like crap for wanting to focus on his future instead of helping John B. look for gold. Ki has parents who have money; the other three are all struggling. Pope wanted to make something of himself to better help his parents

[@agrcste803]

​@The_Gamer91 but they never flirted behind his back tho like this was their first moment and it just happened and jj went immediately after to talk to pope

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

@@mrkmoney1234 "she was all over him" yeah there is two options here 1) we didnt watch the same show 2) you skipped the episodes where she literaly was disgusted and bothered everytime he touched her he was over her. she was never

[@jovieshacarty5811]

They never flirted behind his back what are u talking about

[@jovieshacarty5811]

It was literally theyre first moment

[@TheMahlyenkidyavol]

Lmao I love when you try to piss Nathan off. "Might as well make him the main character at this point." "I thought he always was." "Are we watching the same show?"

[@elliesnewdina]

i am HERE for the cleo and pope moments

[@MsMojo014]

HONESTLY🗣️

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

is pope a homie hopper cause he went after kie knowing damn well john b had something going on for her ?

[@Spicytamale02]

Period Nathan!!!! Kie was attracted to Pope so she f*cked him & then regretted it bc she clearly wasn’t into him like that. Pope was the one who jumped into it head first w/ Kie despite how many time she would push him away or shut down his feelings. He wanted to f*ck her so he didn’t even think about her feelings. Not to say it’s all his fault, just that there were clear red flags & he ignored them. It’s different now between Kie & JJ bc it’s looking like Kie is the one who is going to push JJ & he’s gonna pull away.

[@Nimilovesart]

Hey Pope did ask Kie if she was sure because what she wanted could change everything but she didn't listen and slept with him anyway. So from Pope's perspective, she used him.

[@Nimilovesart]

And he wasn't really the one that jumped into it head first, she made the first move and I remember him asking her if she really wanted it.

[@amyperaltiago]

I don't think kie was even attracted to him in the first place. The first time she found out about his feelings she rejected him, then it seemed like the only reason she got with him was cuz she felt bad. Then she tried to have a relationship with him it wasn't working, tried sleeping with him and even that did nothing. She actually has feelings for JJ and it's not hard to believe it clearly developed more while they were at the island.

[@Spicytamale02]

@@Nimilovesart that wasn’t my point. My point was all the times Pope would put his arm around her or even tried to hold her hand after they kissed & Kie would shove him away like he was her little brother. Pope intentionally ignored those moments when Kie randomly wanted to hook up after they been drinking/partying. He was worried about their friendship when he should’ve been worried about her feelings towards him. Bc it was obvious those feelings were never there on her end. Pope was too blinded by his own feelings to notice hers.

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

@@Spicytamale02 and even was mad and started to behave himself in a mean way when she just told him no. like we all remember that bike scene. like my bro a girl can turn you down.

[@bellesharrar4255]

What I think is that Kie would have had a conversation with Pope about JJ, but their moment wasn't planned. It just randomly happened so I don't think its on any of them at the moment because they weren't aware of their feelings. Thankfully JJ talked with Pope after but then again, Kie is allowed to like someone else without notifying Pope because she already talked with him about her feelings and how they should remain friends, in which Pope agreed to. They talked and moved on. Pope shouldn't have been angry at them even though he was mature with the convo.

[@mrkmoney1234]

Issue with that is that Pope didn’t intend for Kie to like his closest friend; he wouldn’t care as much if it was with a guy outside of their friend group. Also he literally just walked in on them about to kiss; he doesn’t know if they’ve been doing stuff behind his back for a while at that point so a lot of emotions could have arises. Kie and JJ are both wrong in this scenario; they both have been flirting for a while now so they should have been talked to Pope about it

[@bellesharrar4255]

@@mrkmoney1234 I don't think they have been "flirting" per say. I mean, JJ is the one who pushed Kie towards Pope. Maybe tension was there but they never acted upon it. I do understand Popes feelings, but I still don't think JJ and Kie were in the wrong just because they didn't intend for the moment to happen. JJ always respected Pope and would never want to hurt him.He pushed his feelings aside for Kie and Pope.

[@bk7728]

bro i’m so sick of john b and sarah saying they’re married 😭 they knew eachother two weeks, broke up multiple times, and the ring was a sweaty bandana 🙅‍♀️ and said a few words on a boat

[@mrkmoney1234]

Right? As if they don’t know what married means lol They’re not ignorant so saying they’re married is childish of them. Could say they’re engaged and the bandana is filling in for when John B. could get an actual ring.

[@kittycats217]

Right?? It’s giving me major kindergarten/1st grade playground vibes. Like at first I thought it was supposed to be a cute joke but then John B got mad at Sarah for not saying it and told his dad they’re married... like be for real💀

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

@D.Nemesis s4 they are above 18 lets hope they dont say it anymore lmao

[@itzzz.zahra_]

honestly, it’s been getting on my damn nerves since season 2, like im sorry i just see it as so childish. y’all are bf and gf😭😭 like when john b got mad at sarah for not telling topper they were married i was thinking ‘are you 16 or are you 9’ grow up omds

[@UriosEditz]

​@@itzzz.zahra_ even at 9, you don't say shit like this 💀... Maybe 4

[@Nagixlol]

Nathan is right, y’all are wild and insane for continuously blaming Kie for not talking to Pope. It’s extremely ludicrous to think that KIE should talk to him, they spoke in season 2 and if Pope had a problem then HE should’ve told her. POPE should’ve told Kie “Hey, if you catch feelings for JJ, just talk to me or something so I won’t be surprised”. Don’t blame Kie or JJ for having a moment or catching feelings when shit between Kie and Pope DIDNT work out and she TRIED.

[@manuelagaviria5542]

I agree with Nathan. What happened between JJ and Kiara was in the spur of the moment. We saw them friendly on the island but nothing actually happened, and how JJ told Pope nothing really happened and the same way that JJ went to talk to Pope right after I believe that JJ would have talked to him if they would have kissed there. You can see that Pope means a lot to him and he doesn't want to lie to him. With Kiara it's just something that happened, their friendship developed into something more. How can they get blamed for something they didn't even see coming or intentionally do. We couldn't even see how they would have approached the situation because Pope interrupted them, maybe JJ would have stopped it, or maybe Kiara, but you guys are getting mad about a moment that did not happen.

[@ugh5281]

this! you worded it perfectly. they’re blaming them for something neither of them did intentionally. their friendship is shifting into something more and this is the first time where sth almost happened between them and they both acknowledge it, so how can they be blamed for hurting pope when what happened in the boat wasn’t even intentional or planned? not to mention right after pope saw them jj was like “i’ll talk to him” and he did. like what more could they have done?

[@manuelagaviria5542]

@@ugh5281 Exactly!

[@aita3760]

not to forget after kie was being honest to pope about her feelings wich she obvs found hard to say, pope was super rude and mean to her

[@carissaanderson1437]

How was he mean?

[@queen_taetae4384]

I meaaaan, she was rude to him the whole season even before she confessed to not liking him. I love Kie but I didn’t like that especially when she was like “are you even a pogue?” Sooooo

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

"thats his boy's ex" bro they were nothing , kiara rejected him and he was literaly following her everywhere , like soooo much that she decided to try. she's not gonna stop herself from being with someone she loves just cause of that , and while pope is falling in love with someone else. what type of thinking process is that. lets stop saying "oh i would never date my friend's ex" cause we all know if you'r in love there is nothing thats gonna stop you from it

[@jayngb]

lmao that’s a wild thought process , just bcuz u don’t have a problem with dating your friend’s exes doesn’t mean that other ppl will feel the same way

[@K23658]

@@jayngbwas never a ex in the first place ☠️

[@jasaiah.isarealone]

The most annoying thing all season 3: Big John saying, "Bring it home John B!" "Bring it home!" 🤦‍♀😭

[@meeeeeeeeeeeeeee893]

It’s funny and annoying 😭😭

[@jasaiah.isarealone]

@@meeeeeeeeeeeeeee893 faxx😭😭😭😭

[@stephonriley7491]

LMAOOOO

[@museofcoffee]

you can't blame Kie, she has liked JJ since the beginning, Kie made it clear to Pope she didn't want to date him but Pope got mad at her and made it feel like Kie had to go out with him so for that Pope is in the wrong

[@UriosEditz]

Show me a moment before the s2 finale when she likes him ?

[@carissaanderson1437]

No one is wrong. Also how did pope make it feel like kiara "had" to go out with him? From what I can remember, he never pressured her to date him, and when kiara told her she didn't like him, he handed it quite well and they even hugged afterwards. Also she never made it clear that she didn't like him, since during the beginning of s2 there were a bunch of scenes that indicate otherwise. Istg I'm so sick of y'all villainizing pope.

[@Ts-lz1gj]

Honestly I don’t think pope is jealous of Jj and ki. Because by the end of season 2 both him kiara kinda resolved their differences even after pope got mad about breaking up. It seems like he just feels weird because he didn’t expect things to go this way between him and kiara. Because he’s liked her since they were kids and imagine things going differently. And in this episode pope got passed seeing them together real quick. In the past seasons he would stay upset for a long time about anything that had to do with him and Kiara. but based on how quickly he became ok again i think it has less to do with the possibility of him still liking her and more about being disappointed thing’s didn’t go as planned. But sense the island thing it seems like the writers are making pope and Cleo grow together and making jj and ki grow together. And as for jj and Kiara i think the writers have been hinting at the possibility of Kiara liking jj since season one but she just didn’t know it. In the first season she asked john b if he told jj that john b kissed her. In the second season she defends jj in front of his dad. And in the last episode of season 2 they both talk about traveling the world together. So with out realizing Kiara had already liked jj and has been getting close to him. Giving the timeline of the show its a possibility thats why she couldn’t go any further with pope. And it seemed like pope was in love with idea of Kiara and not really Kiara. And as for the whole thing with Kiara, pope and jj, people always forget you can control what you do but not how you feel. Loving your friends ex is not simple, especially if you’re actually in love. You have to honor yourself while at the same time honor your friend. So there’s not always a simple solution. But you have to find one that’s right and healthy

[@bmgdann1023]

if we being real there isn't a best character out of the gang 💯 they all are great and all ride or dies and give the best support they can to one another

[@namustuff7011]

i don’t always agree with you guys opinions but it’s still funny to watch you guys argue and have different opinions 😂i would’ve agreed with your arguments if jj and kie would have been hooking up behind everyone’s back for a while. if that were the case then yeah they should’ve told pope before proceeding but in this case i really don’t see why they have to tell pope anything in advance given the fact that this is actually the very first time something almost happened between them and after it almost happened and pope saw, jj went straight to pope and set things straight with him. you guys need to understand that these new feelings that are arising between kie and jj are also new to them and they haven’t even talked to each other how they feel about one another so why would they need to tell pope anything before they even know if they like each other and want to try to make moves? like it’d make no sense for either of them to tell pope about it if even they themselves have never thought about making any moves or about how they feel for each other. so i think you guys were getting too heated over something that didn’t actually happen in my opinion. honestly don’t worry about pope too much. rn he’s hurt but without spoiling anything i guarantee you he’s gonna be fine. pope deserves happiness and so does jj and kira.

[@Nagixlol]

You can’t necessarily say “Oh that’s his ex” Kie TRIED to like Pope and it obviously didn’t work out. No one is to blame for having feelings for another person.

[@tajmcduffie1108]

Imagine kie telling pope she has feelings for jj that don’t even make sense. Kie isn’t obligated to tell pope anything especially when they wasn’t even together all they did was hook up and she instantly regretted it after. She knew she didn’t really like him so that’s why she cut it off only reason she even gave him a chance was cause she felt bad. She shouldn’t be in the wrong for liking somebody. Nathan is 100% correct she’s not wrong.

[@lilly50821]

they’re kids so sleeping together is a giant deal. it makes sense for pope to be upset at both of them.

[@Spicytamale02]

Me waiting until episode 6 to see how they feel about Sarah 💀

[@yolenemabou1347]

same bc if they hate on kiara so much for not telling pope she likes jj, i wonder what they will think of sarah watching episode 6 😂

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

@@yolenemabou1347 they are still going to be all over her cause they just hate kiara for some reason it makes me so uncomfortable. the only objectif guy there is nathan

[@yolenemabou1347]

@@meskoulaikrame6988 well, we'll see how they react but it's for sure if they support Sarah after seeing episode 6 and hate Kiara just bc she didn't tell Pope about her feelings for JJ, it’ll be clear they only love Sarah for her looks and nothing else. And I agree I love Nathan's way of thinking he always makes sense and even the opinions he has that I don't necessarily agree with actually make sense

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

@@yolenemabou1347 bruh why would she even tell him , like its always when its a woman , why is no one saying anything to john b ? kissed kie and literaly went after sarah the day after , cause he's a man ?. she made things clear and they agreed to stay friends. also yeah i agree with you i might not like his opinions before about jiara but you can see everytime he makes a point its always because he truly thinks that.

[@yolenemabou1347]

@@meskoulaikrame6988 i agree women are always the ones to blame except if men find them super attractive they’ll defend them but otherwise they’ll blame them for every little tiny mistakes they make but will close their eyes on questionable things men do. For jb trying w kiara and kissing sarah in a short amount of time is little weird but nobody’s feelings were hurt so i don’t think this situation needs to be addressed what should be addressed is bashing kiara for "homie hopping" but being completely fine w her guys friends seeing her as only a potential love interest and not just as a friend and nothing more. And yes the conversation pope and kiara had puts whatever happened between them in the past and allows them to move forward obviously pope is allowed to feel weird and hurt by kiara having feelings for his bff but kiara isn’t the one to blame for moving on, she’s allowed to like other people especially after it was made clear between her and pope they were just friends. And i personally never minded nathan not liking jj and kiara, he had his reasons (reasons that were valid and understandable in my opinion) but what i like is that even if he doesn’t like the idea of them being together he stays objective here and doesn’t jump on every opportunity to hate on them.

[@mina8495]

Lovee these reactions, also with the JJ and Kie situation i 100% agree with Nathan

[@itzzz.zahra_]

did kie hop to THEM or did THEY hop to her??🤨🤨 john b kissed her, she cut that of. pope confessed his love to HER! she didn’t even like him. and with the whole pope/jj/kie thing, i think personally kie doesn’t owe pope anything. she cut it off with him and they both agreed to be friends. kie should be able to crack on. maybe jj could speak to pope. but kie doesn’t owe him nada, nothingggg. like let’s be fr pope was all overrrr her in season 2, she was told by jj and such how much of a great guy pope is and she tried it out maybe bc of pressure/ she felt bad. she slept with him and realised it wasn’t for her, it’s the sad reality. a lot of people have to sleep with someone to realise they don’t like them and that’s that. atp this kie hate thing just seems forced now idk. kie shouldn’t have to talk to pope if they agreed to be friends, jj however that’s a different story. he did talk to pope and got the green lights to crack on. plus i’m pretty sure it’s been about a month and a few weeks. it may of hurt pope a lil but he needs to move on. and y’all seem to forget that kie isn’t just some random girl who joined the friend ship group and ‘homie hopped’ she’s known them all since kindergarden. anyways, great reaction y’all ❤

[@ugh5281]

i’m saying! i legit can’t understand how some people blame kiara and claim she’s homie hoping when she didn’t even pursue neither of them, the only one she’s pursuing because she actually wants to is jj. she basically friendzoned john b when he kissed her, she rejected pope when he confessed to her but then she tried giving him a chance bc she felt bad and bc of outside pressure even though it was always clear she wasn’t into him the way he was. she realized it wasn’t going to work so she cut it off and they both agreed to be friends. she was never committed to him, ever. they hooked up one night and that was it. she doesn’t owe him anything. i feel like they’re just seeing pope’s pov and it’s kind of annoying. obviously i feel bad for pope, it’s gonna hurt but it’s also clear that they’re setting up cleo and pope so he’s gonna move on sooner or later. plus jj talked to pope about what happened, i really don’t understand why they want jj and kie to talk “in advance” to pope when this is actually the first time that something happened between jj and kie. like why would they talk to pope when neither of them even acknowledged that they were starting to have feelings for each other?

[@itzzz.zahra_]

@@ugh5281 yesss!! i agree with everything you said. it was clear as day in seaon2 kie was never as interested in pope than he was into her. the feelings weren’t reciprocated.. it was one sided. & i agree they’re only looking on how it would seem from pope side of view. i love pope, i do but they really aren’t understanding nathan’s point here, i don’t think anyone is in the wrong at all tbh. like it’s so wild for them to think that in the real world they would’ve stopped & said ‘let’s talk to pope about it’ like it would’ve made no sense😭😭. for example, it would be weird for jj & kie to kiss and then tell pope and be like ‘i hope you’re cool with that’ there’s no need. like i’m not someone who’s bias as i love kie and she’s my favourite. i try to understand both opinions but it just didn’t make sense to me at all, the whole time i was sitting there thinking ‘wtf are they on’ nathan was the only one who was making logical sense

[@ugh5281]

@@itzzz.zahra_ i love pope too and obviously i feel bad for him but i’m not gonna blame kie and jj for something that didn’t even happen yet 😭 their argument was so weird bc they were talking as if jj and kie had been secretly dating behind pope’s back for months or something and never told him, it’s litteraly the opposite. this is the first time that something happened between them and the first time they both acknowledged it, so it’s also new for them! plus jj did talk to pope about it, what more could they have done especially when both kie and jj haven’t even talked about how they feel about each other yet? like why would they both talk to pope and tell him what’s happening between them when they themselves don’t even know what’s going on between them and before even talking to each other and sort out how they feel about each other and all of that? like at this point they haven’t even discussed their feelings, they haven’t kissed, they haven’t even decided if they’re gonna give it a try and make it official or not so their points don’t make any sense at all to me idk i was just really confused about their perspective on this, i was actually surprised that nathan was the voice of reason cause he was hating on jiara before ahah but his argument made a lot more sense

[@khelsivann300]

Even if JJ and Kie, both don't understand what's happening between them, despite the flirting for a month or two on a deserted island and the spur of the moment on the captain's deck, Pope can sense the change in their vibes with each other. I think this why Pope tells JJ what he tells him on the boat. I think Pope should have done the same thing with Kie. However, not that she needs his permission to move on, but given her state of emotions at the time, he probably didn't want to get into a heated debate with her about who she can or cannot have feelings for. I do agree with Davion though. When you have friendship as strong as the Pogues do, and each and every person's feelings are respected and validated by one another; I think you should have to speak up about it, but only once you understand what is actually happening between two people. First, JJ and Kie need to have a talk with each other and the two of them together need to speak to Pope, but only if there is still tension in the air. Other than that, they're kids and will eventually get over it. No ship is safe forever, except for Sarah B and Topper (yes, l mean the three of them together). JK, bye,guys.

[@Aya_97_]

This is exactly why there should be no pogue on pogue macking 🤣

[@naur437]

there is no person in the wrong in the whole jj kie pope thing i feel like you guys are just reading too much into it😂

[@dora3914-e1b]

Literally

[@michellecassata8391]

i will never forgive the writers for putting kie with jj it would make so much sense for her to be a lesbian even the actors want it

[@amyperaltiago]

I cannot wait for the sarah/topper/John b bs...the reactions gonna hilarious 🤣

[@ugh5281]

i’m on nathan’s side on this one tbh. neither kie or jj are in the wrong in that moment because it’s not like they planned on almost kissing and being caught, the whole point of that scene is that it was something that happened unplanned, in the spur of the moment and pope just happened to see it. you guys are acting as if kie and jj are being evil and doing stuff on purpose to hurt pope when it’s not at all the case. kie and jj might’ve gotten closer while they were on the island (so did cleo and pope) but this is the first time where something almost happened between them and also the first time where they both acknowledged it. it’s not like they’ve been secretly dating behind’s pope’s back or something. kie’s “relationship” with pope was very short lived and very much one sided. they hooked up one night, kie realized it wasn’t gonna work and they went back to being friends. personally i hated that storyline bc it was just random and there wasn’t chemistry between them, the writers just decided to make them sleep together for the sake of it. obviously, pope still has lingering feelings towards her so if she gets together with anyone let alone someone in their friend group it’s gonna hurt, but then again no one should be “at fault” for having feelings for someone. as soon as pope appeared jj said to kie “i’ll talk to him”, what else could they have done? jj talked to him and pope although definitely hurt was mature about the situation. kie is not a “homie hopper” bc she hooked up with pope one night and ended up regretting it and decided they were best as friends… i respect different opinions but i just feel like you guys are giving kie too much crap.

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

if i hear one more time that sarah and john b are married am gonna scream cause do these people even know what marriage is lmao

[@elliesnewdina]

i really need rafe to get the help he needs, you can tell that hes aware of the terrible things hes done but its hard for him to go back.

[@juliusstoker]

i love how cameron just snackin the whole argument

[@iovejazz]

rare jiara defending from dude on the left

[@mona-px9oy]

To say that JJ and Kie are doing something wrong is pretty immature. It's a double standard to think that Pope and JJ's friendship is worth more than Kie and Pope's. Is it Kie's fault because she's a girl? Something like Bro before H.. is also immature. As Nathan said, JJ and Kie have fallen in love, what should they do? and Kie couldn't return Pope's feelings. Pope and Kie weren't really a couple either. And she's not a homie hopper either, the boys tried to hit on her and she always said she wasn't into them. And you could also say that everyone else ignored JJ's feelings about liking Kie for years. JJ, on the other hand, was willing to want the best for Kie, his best friend Pope.

[@jade-zd2vy]

wow I'm on Nathan's side on the whole jj and Kiara thing. Kiara owes pope NOTHING. end of discussion. her and pope both cleared any conflict second season's finale

[@onka3895]

what kind of response is "polish me off?"🤣

[@kbcsquared]

Y'all got all the jiara stans freaking out in the comments. 😭 But I'm with you, Davion. Pope deserves better 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@JustUs]

Ty-Davion

[@jayblaqk]

Those of us who have dealt with broken friendships for similar reasons understand exactly what you are saying Davion. Mixing romance into a friend group is playing with fire, and in real life can be less about right and wrong than whether or not friendships survive long term.

[@manuelagaviria5542]

Loved your reaction! I don't think JJ and Kie are in the wrong! First of all, Kie and Pope were together for only one night and they even had a conversation where she told Pope she wasn't feeling him. He even agreed to stay friends because their friendship came first. I can understand Pope being hurt by seeing them almost kiss but to be upset at them, I can't. I love that JJ went to talk to Pope immediately after, I don't think that Kie and JJ really analyzed their feelings for each other or what was going on, that was like the first real moment where they were going to act on their feelings. At the end of the day, you like who you like, and I don't think it's fair to say they were in the wrong for having feelings for each other and trying to act on them when it's been more than a month since Kiara talked to Pope. We can also see that when they were in Poguelandia, Kie and JJ were the ones hanging out the majority of the time, talking to each other and we can assume that, they got really close during that month. The same way we saw Pope and Cleo hanging out together and John B and Sarah.

[@SY-ys9pq]

5:06 lmao most of us had that same reaction dw bro lol

[@Hinokami777]

Divek is back!!!

[@agrcste803]

nathan u r so real for that

[@zombixx_]

34:24 the way the ended it😭😭

[@rockandfashion7207]

Welcome back!!!!!!!

[@jast693]

Nathan is the only sensible one in the group

[@mariannmartinez8942]

Jj and Kiara had liked each other since the beggining yall just weren’t paying attention

[@heidirusic1533]

This. After you first watch outerbanks you only see jj and kie having a conection in season 3, but when you watch outerbanks over and over and over you see that from very begining that jj was into kiara and kiara into him

[@chillindj_]

rafe is around he's 20's (season 1 was 20)

[@jamesprice113]

Yo you guys argue so damn much 😂

[@Nimilovesart]

Personally I'm not a fan of this kie and JJ thing going on but niether of them are in the wrong this time. Although it was on Kie to start something she wasn't sure about with Pope because his feelings were on the line but things like that happen. JJ was right to talk to Pope about it. Pope being hurt about it is valid because even though she rejected him, he still really liked her. Glad Cleo was there to comfort him.

[@SY-ys9pq]

Bro Big John is 6’6.😐😐lol Like can we comprehend that? That man is a literal giant bro.

[@brittneyladouceur2621]

Love the reaction guys ! 😊

[@bamonfans53]

love your reactions!

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

nathan i will never say anything bad about you ever again. i judged you wrong my friend. king.

[@lashaee1811]

JIARA 4L

[@DavidLudaka]

Bro perfect timing I just finished ur last episode

[@mj.carter]

I love you guys. Your so funny!

[@mikiyawynn183]

Can you do 3X4

[@stephonriley7491]

Bring it home John be LOL

[@queencurls12]

Bring it on in John B bring it on in bird

[@amandagoodtime7751]

I think they had Sarah and John b separated (meaning she’s with the group his with his dad in the show)because they broke up IRL fun fact chase(John b) is dating country singer kelsea bellarini and Madelyn(Sarah) is dating singer Jackson guthy now and chase and Madelyn are friends because of there characters but only talk because of there characters. Also there’s Nothing wrong with JJ and Kiara having feelings for each other especially if pope said I don’t like it but your gonna do what you want plus he has Cleo and kiara was honest with not liking him he said ok I just want you to be happy and JJ has constantly made it known that he had feelings for Kiara but Pope kept going for Kiara so she gave him what she thought he wanted and felt nothing she always liked JJ though once Pope and Cleo end up together he won’t give a shit and he’ll say y’all should have been together anyway.

[@monicasania8539]

KIARA DOES NOTHING WRONG

[@jadebordelon6962]

be serious y’all defend her all the time nb ever sees pope side he didnt deserve what she did to him but he took it well IF SHE DIDNT LIKE HIM WHY DID SHE SLEEP W HIM HE TOLD HER HE DIDNT WANT THAT TO RUIN THE FRIENDSHIP SHE PLAYED W HIS FEELINGS HE DESERVES BETTER THEN KIE ANYWAYS CLEO BETTER

[@monicasania8539]

@@jadebordelon6962 7 months late buddy!

[@mrkmoney1234]

Key is also friends with Poe and JJ; she started messing with Po’s bestfriend after breaking his heart? She’s suppose to be Po’s friend as well yet she ignored Po’s feelings in that manner. The same way JJ is wrong, so is Key; they both are doing something to hurt Po which is the issue.

[@JustUs]

Well said -said

[@tiamarrow6366]

With the whole JJ, Kiara, and Pope thing….Kiara isn’t in the wrong. It’s not like she intentionally meant to hurt Pope especially since they were never fully together. They basically hooked up for one night but it just didn’t work out, and they literally talked about it. Pope, while he was understandably sad because he did like her….he respected her choice and decision since with any relationship, it should be 50/50 not just the man making the choices. Pope knew that and respected her, so he and Kiara chose to just be friends. When it comes to JJ, it’s harder for him because Kie is a Kook and JJ isn’t rich…so even though he wanted to make a move on her, he never did because he didn’t think he’d be good enough for her, on top of John B and Pope liking her to. However….when that scene on the boat happened between them, JJ and Pope did talk things out which was the mature thing to do. Now for Pope’s handling of it…..while he has every right to be upset that things didn’t work out between him, and Kie…..he’s the one making things weird because he’s forgetting that they never dated fully, and she’s not committed to him, they never committed to each other. It’s not just Pope’s choice as to who he wants to be with, it’s also Kiara’s choice to and being that they’re still teenagers….they’re still young, so they can’t help who they might like. Kiara isn’t bound to any of them nor is she committed to them by any laws or any shit like that…..it’s her choice to. She also didn’t know that Pope was right there on the boat because if you watch that scene closely….Kie was driving it, Pope came up from behind and they only noticed when they heard his voice.

[@booklover007]

i 100% still hate rafe😅

[@andreawest2194]

BRING IT HOME JOHN B!

[@marlonzogriffin6983]

Please react to wolf pack

[@Thecobrakaifamily]

Can you guys react to prison break love your reaction videos

[@sam23612]

FIRST! ❤

[@mariannmartinez8942]

Pope and kie just weren’t made for esch other

[@kingrichard8188]

I'm sorry but you can't kiss john B then sleep with pope no matter the reason and now get with jj all in the same year shit isn't a good look but I don't hate them together I just really don't care for it because we all know she just gone break his heart and probably get with somebody else her and Sarah are L girlfriends to whom ever they are with

[@ugh5281]

she didn’t kiss john b, HE kissed her and she basically friendzoned him. also how do you know she’s gonna break his heart? this is the first time we’ve seen kie actually falling in love with someone, we’ve never seen her in a relationship, her hooking up with pope one night under the influence of alcohol and weed isn’t equivalent of being in a relationship with him. she didn’t like john b, she also didn’t like pope but tried giving him a chance and didn’t work out. i’m not saying people need to like jj and kie together but it’s weird how ppl act like she was the one all over the boys when it was actually the opposite.

[@kingrichard8188]

@ugh5281 I mean literally in s1 jj said when are you going to get on that she clearly likes you in s1 she made it all about john b even pope had told her everything isn't about john b then he confess his love for her she gets with him everything's cool then she wants to friends also she gave john b a cheek kiss before he dove in the water then he kisses her and she want to act weird like her and Sarah are so weird one minute they want something next minute its something else 😏 gave john b signs of liking him official got with pope then sleep with him after that I think we should just be friends and now it's jj turn 😴 hopefully her mind is finally made up of which of her friends she likes because what she has done so far isn't it it's a bad look if she does jj dirty too there's no coming back for her character relationship wise

[@ugh5281]

@@kingrichard8188 she never liked john b or pope and she never had anything with john b, THEY (pope, jj, john b) thought she liked john b bc she would worry about him and give him a kiss on the cheek etc. so they thought she was into him… but turns out she wasn’t, they were just reading too much into it. if she liked him why would she reject him and friendzone him? when jj and pope asked about what was going on between him and kie john b said she gave him the heisman (basically, she rejected him). the whole john b x kiara thing was basically the boys thinking she had a crush on him when she actually didn’t. then, pope confessed to her and she rejected him right away. pope got petty about it and she ended up feeling bad about it and everyone around her was like “pope’s such a great guy” etc. so she tried to give him a chance but it was always very clear that they’d never work, even pope talked to jj about how they weren’t playing the same game so he was kind of aware. they ended up hooking up one night after a party, she kind of regretted it and after that she friendzoned him and he agreed to them putting what happened past them and be just friends. i personally hated that the writers made them sleep together bc it was just unnecessary and random, there was never chemistry between them and that storyline didn’t add much to the characters but it’s whatever, we moved on from that. the point is she doesn’t owe anything to either of them, she was never in a relationship with any of them. the only one she had a fling with was pope and it was basically for a night… so it’s weird how you’re assuming she’s gonna break jj’s heart when this is actually the first time she’s falling in love with someone and she is the one chasing him. i mean did you watch s3? it was basically jj pushing her away and being mean to her (understandable bc of his past and all, but he still hurt kie) while kie was still being understanding and patient with him.

[@melodyruiz383]

a.) bias aside b/c I am a jiara fan.... yea both kie and jj are in the wrong! I think BOTH owe it to pope to let him know that they will pursue things or have feelings for one another b/c of the simple fact that they are his friends. yea kie made it clear it was never gonna work out, but idk still have some respect being that he wasn't some random she hooked up but a friend b.) I agree w/ Nathan that some characters don't need redemption, there are shitty people in the world who deserve consequences and he is one of them!!

[@yolenemabou1347]

but this moment between them was neither planned or calculated by jj or kie, it just happened it was random and immediately after it happened jj talked to pope about it. I really don’t see what you would’ve wanted them to do ?? It would’ve been wrong if jj and kie got into a relationship, didn’t tell pope and pope caugh them almost kissing but that’s not what it happened. At this moment jj didn’t even know if kie reciprocated his feelings and same for kie, this is the first moment they had where both of them could see that there was something more than just a friendship between them and unfortunately pope saw that. (i also ship jiara and i love pope and feel so bad for him but i don’t see what more jj and kiara could’ve done in this moment)

[@MsMojo014]

I just don’t like Big John🤷🏾‍♀️

[@juliusstoker]

kie a certified homie hopper

[@queencurls12]

John b’s dad was so annoying this season

[@Chasejones2004]

I don’t like Rafe but I don’t hate him and I agree with Davion here kiara was in the wrong and anyone can be redeemed in life doesn’t excuse or forget your mistakes you have made but you can change yourself as a person Nathan needs to start understanding this it’s like he doesn’t obtain knowledge

[@yolenemabou1347]

i don’t see how kiara is in the wrong and it wouldn’t make sense for rafe’s character to be redeemed not every villain in movies or tv shows needs a redemption arc sometimes villains need to say villains

[@JustUs]

I love Nathans takes and he’s entitled to his opinion. I disagree but enjoy them. And Thankyou. Life is long. Anyone can turn around for the better -davion

[@dora3914-e1b]

He's literally tried to kill kie multiple times but she's the problem bc she pushes him off a boat? Yeah ok

[@tyjahh]

Stop this jiara hate omg

[@JustUs]

it’s opinions

[@bamonfans53]

no one even said anything abt jiara this video lmaoo

[@Tyrese5432]

It’s their opinion Stop Being so sensitive not everybody on the jiara train🤡

[@moonlightkayla4903]

i’m a jiara fan but let them have their opinions. if they naturally grow to like them then cool, if not you don’t have to watch their videos.

[@Kelenerz]

Then simply don't watch their channel if their opinions (not hate) bother you so much. They've made it abundantly clear that they don't ship Jiara for how many episodes now? Not everyone is going to like a forced, fan service ship just because the rest of the fandom blindly ships two characters together because they're a boy and a girl.

[@thisisyourareayoucantdotha6316]

I love y’all’s channel but y’all really sexist sometimes

[@JustUs]

That is an INSANE take - nathan

[@chance8245]

L take by Nathan tbh come on lmao what is bro saying

[@migwigpee0796]

The truth

[@Elizabeth-oy4kd]

Cameron is literally me when he is eating and listening to the disagreements 🤣🤣

[@liv9795]

*sigh* nathan thank you for defending kie and jiara 🫡. my comments on the last video were passionate but i digress

[@meskoulaikrame6988]

LIV MY BESTIE. yo nathan redeemed himself. you could see he was 100 pourcent thinking what he was saying.

[@liv9795]

@@meskoulaikrame6988 nathan redemption era