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[@DaveThaumavore]

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[@SSkorkowsky]

Jumped on this campaign. Hoping it can fill the pulp adventure hole left behind by Hollow Earth Expedition

[@thrawncaedusl717]

Just a point of clarification, they do advertise the mission dossiers as completely playable on their own with only the QuickStart rules. Which is actually pretty darn nice, as that makes them roughly the equivalent of a starter set for under half the price of what is standard!

[@sportyeight7769]

I wish they have a hack inside action flicks stretch goals for a MAD MAX kind of setting.

[@dragunov2975]

Based on how easy the rules are when i've run it I would say that even if there isn't one it would be really simple to homebrew whatever is needed, the chases/vehicle combat rules already feel like what happens on fury road.

[@axelpearl3318]

there will be one in action flicks volume 2

[@cybermerlyn2]

Great video! First I want to thank you for your reviews of Broken Compass, I would have never heard of 2 Little Mice without it. Outgunned is a great game, I am shocked more people have not been talking about it. I am now a 2 Little Mice fanboy, so I will be likely getting everything they write. I am interested in Outgunned: Adventure, but I am really interested in Action Flicks V2. I hope they continue to release Action Flicks volumes in the future. With a game like Outgunned the main thing is inspiration. We have run Harry Potter style games and I am working on using this system for the setting in All for One: Regime Diabloique. This game is now my go to when I do not want to spend too much time creating adventures. I find it more interesting than SWADE or Cypher (were my go-to systems). I am a huge fan of narrative games over simulations, I like PBTA games, but these mechanics are easier to explain and I find work better for longer play. That is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[@chaosmeisters6781]

Can I just say your comments regarding OG vs SWADE echo hard with me? Totally agree. I was deep into Savage Worlds a while ago but crashed out on it, because it was too much. OG now has rekindled that flame of getting a game that is highly adaptable but also easy and fun to play AND run!

[@davidpeacock8276]

What's the difference between this and Broken Compass? Why would I choose Outgunned Adventure over Broken Compass Golden Age?

[@chaosmeisters6781]

@@davidpeacock8276 Besides the Core Resolution mechanic most everything is different, from character creation to enemies and combat. Everything is more streamlined and polished. Outgunned Adventure is fully compatible with Outgunned, so you can mix and match rules and mechanics between the games.For example, in OGA, every enemy is allegedly much the same or simplified without mechanical verisimilitude. In OG enemies can be differentiated via Feats that give them special abilities that have mechanical impact on the game if you want them to, and it is easy to port over. I am not into it for OG or OGA alone. As others have said, it has replaced Savage Worlds for me as my go-to for anything even remotely action-oriented. So every building block is worth it to me. That said: If you already own BC from CMON and are happy with what it does for you? No real need to go into Outgunned Adventure. Would you like a little more crunch and get another part of a system that will be supported for years by 2LM? And maybe want better support for the supernatural compared to BC? Then yeah, absolutely get into OGA.

[@benkenning1699]

IMO, the pushing your luck resolution roll matches the source genre, and so there is less dissonance for a player who prefers 1st person decision making mechanics in their ttrpgs.

[@TheInvadernick]

This is such an underrated game! Glad to see more coverage of it!

[@opscontaylor8195]

NEW DAVE HIT MARTHA! GET IN HERE!

[@aliciaantoniadis9100]

Thank you very much Dave! It was clear and had a good pacing. I have longed for a game like this. Thanks again, Sincerely, Alicia Antoniadis from Sweden.

[@rgrinan]

Thanks!

[@DaveThaumavore]

Holy smokes, 🙏 Thank You!

[@samchafin4623]

Hopefully if someone is playing a pulp adventure RPG they aren't going to be too stuck on realistic rules - but you never can tell! This look fun!

[@claudiaborges8406]

Dunno why someone would think rerolling dice is meta, it’s gives more player agency as well as risk

[@DaveThaumavore]

It’s outside the scope of the narrative.

[@thrawncaedusl717]

“Meta” gets a bad wrap. Rolling dice is meta, having hp with known effects (ie death saves) is meta, having advantage is meta. Any known game mechanic is meta.

[@claudiaborges8406]

@@DaveThaumavore makes sense, I guess I meant “too meta”

[@blainetaggart6736]

Thank you Dave. Fantastic review as always.

[@janronkainen5368]

Quality presentation, again, thanks!

[@kimie7479]

Awesome vid! It made me back it 👍👍

[@GregMossage]

Thanks for the video! I found it very helpful while deciding if to back the project. Answer: Yes from me. :) Keep up the great work. Love your videos and find the material so helpful…my loaded bookshelves of ttrpgs are also sending you their thanks.

[@sportyeight7769]

Love those Grit rules and pool of D6. it helps prevent something i hate in RPG. Overly cinematic rules or the hunt for the min max. I think those rules strikes a nice a balance.

[@michelefedi6537]

I see outgunned like a good manuale and a great idea but I already bought broken Compass some years ago and i can't take out of my mind the idea that Outgunned Adventure it's Just a Broken Compass corebook with a restyle. So my question, does It worth if already have in mu library the base Broken Compass? Aren't those (almost) the same thing?

[@kentrench2726]

Yeah, that’s my question, definitely sounds like Broken Compass + Golden Age repackaged with maybe a couple of tweaks

[@dragunov2975]

@@kentrench2726 There are a lot of changes, I also played BC and outgunned felt similar on the core but a completely different experience the more you play or DM it, if you have BC then you will probably move to this new system since it fixes a lot of the awkwardness of BC and adds more content on top of that, and some of the what if's from BC can be retooled to be used here on top of the lots of action flicks they are adding.

[@dragunov2975]

Also kinda relevant that 2LM don't have the license for broken compass anymore, this is a separate game that shares mostly thematic and the core mechanic of rolling d6s and tallying the chains of the same number, but it feels like a sequel after they got a lot more experience.

[@michelefedi6537]

@@dragunov2975 I was speaking only about the core book of BC obviously (and maybe Golden Age) but i trust you about the game feeling you have in differenti games. I can't really get it cause i ddn't tried OG yet, it depends most on the master you have i suppose but i can get the awkwardness u are speaking about. Thanks a lot. It must be a stronger and smarter Broken Compass 2.0 I guess 😂

[@chaosmeisters6781]

I will quote something they answered to someone else who asked the same: "Hi Tony, the two games share the basic dice mechanics (meaning looking for pairs, trice, and 4-of-a-kinds) but that's pretty much it. Outgunned is, in our opinion, a more mature and better developed game that we designed to be extremely modular, so you can play it at the desired level of crunch/depth. My personal favorite things about OG are: -Modular crunch -Role/Trope based Character creation. It takes very little time to make deep and different Characters -Extra Actions management (If you score additional Successes, you have a lot of agency on how to use them on the fly) -Detailed Enemies that you can easily customize. They can be extremely rule light, or much more tactical, depending on the desired duration/importance of the fight. Whether it makes sense to you to purchase OGA when you have another game of a similar genre, that of course is up to you. I can tell you we are extremely proud of our newest baby though :D"

[@kalleendo7577]

Awesome!!

[@towinandsave1520]

I want to try it on Alchemy. you are like angel!

[@chaosmeisters6781]

Sadly, alchemy is very early, but promising. There is fantastic support for Foundry though. I made Role sheets as well.

[@towinandsave1520]

@@chaosmeisters6781 I play supported games on alchemy and when they are not supported I play on foundry

[@thrawncaedusl717]

So, do I understand correctly that if I am not particularly interested in an Indiana Jones setting, I should just buy the original because it has more mechanical content? I like the look of the system a lot! The 5 session Memento Mori campaign I just finished running was my best experience with an rpg, so I am completely down to support this company more!

[@dragunov2975]

Check out the action flicks, the original OG and world of killers, the system has a lot of variety and they put a lot of efforts making "hacks" to represent other styles like Alien, harry potter, blade or assasin creed to name a little few.

[@chaosmeisters6781]

Yes, if you are not interested in Indiana Jones, just get the base game plus Action Flicks. It is on sale on DTRPG right now too.

[@BottomTableTyrants]

Awesome! Will check this out. Side note: your video about the “3 chapters that changed my brain forever” was a huge leap in my experience as a GM due to gifting me Hankerin’s ICRPG gm chapter!? Would love to have you on my tiny channel if you were up for a collab as you also explore a lot of non-Dnd RPGs as my channel does. 😄

[@taejaskudva2543]

So, I went back to watch the Broken Compass vid after watching this and I'm curious, is Outgunned: Adventure stepping on Broken Compass's toes? Is there a reason to get one over the other beyond O:A is the new hotness (does anyone say that anymore)? My friend who owns one of the FLGS has been trying to get me to buy Broken Compass for years. I've passed more on the issue of not wanting to spend money on something I won't have a chance to bring to the table, but watching this made me go back to watch the Broken Compass vid and start having a little fomo.

[@johannes2650]

It basically boils down to the point, that CMON now own Broken Compass, hence the new ttrpg system from 2 Little Mice

[@taejaskudva2543]

@@johannes2650 Oh, I see!

[@Privatestock10]

Very interesting. It's like a Yahtzee RPG.

[@davidpeacock8276]

What's the difference between this and Broken Compass? Why would I choose Outgunned Adventure over Broken Compass Golden Age?

[@megasquidd]

Have the physical items from the first campaign been fulfilled?

[@dragunov2975]

Yep, all great quality, the VHS box and metal bullet die and coins are all pretty cool.

[@megasquidd]

@@dragunov2975 I’m a bit gun shy from some bad kickstarters this past year. This makes me feel better. I almost pulled the trigger on the OG kickstarter. Good to see I can still get that stuff with this BK campaign.

[@megasquidd]

Backed the OG books and the Kickstarter box. Happy Father’s Day to me.

[@chaosmeisters6781]

I have backed all the 2LM crowd-fundings, and they have all been delivered. Some have a slight delay, but nothing like the months or even years some games take. They are all pretty much on time, barring shipping issues, and we all know that is hell since Covid.

[@tomryan3768]

The new version looks much cleaner that the base game, which felt a bit busy for what it was trying to accomplish. (But it might be my perception) Is the base game for sale at LGS's yet?

[@chaosmeisters6781]

Should be!

[@frankrafaelsen7260]

Love Two Little Mice, but I can't justify backing Outgunned when I haven't even really given Broken Compass a real tryout yet.

[@bwarevince]

How would this be different from Broken Compass, from the same creators

[@dragunov2975]

The core system of making chains with six sided dice is the same, but there are a lot of other changes for combat, character creation, attributes and instead of luck there is now the spotlight and adrenaline, my advice would be to check the quickstart and you'll feel like you already know the rules if you played BC but a lot is moved or changed to be more streamlined.

[@chaosmeisters6781]

From the Creators on a Backerkit comment "The two games share the basic dice mechanics (meaning looking for pairs, trice, and 4-of-a-kinds) but that's pretty much it. Outgunned is, in our opinion, a more mature and better developed game that we designed to be extremely modular, so you can play it at the desired level of crunch/depth. My personal favorite things about OG are: -Modular crunch -Role/Trope based Character creation. It takes very little time to make deep and different Characters -Extra Actions management (If you score additional Successes, you have a lot of agency on how to use them on the fly) -Detailed Enemies that you can easily customize. They can be extremely rule light, or much more tactical, depending on the desired duration/importance of the fight. Whether it makes sense to you to purchase OGA when you have another game of a similar genre, that of course is up to you. I can tell you we are extremely proud of our newest baby though :D"

[@opscontaylor8195]

Technically doesn't every Year Zero Engine game (Free League) come with the core rules, as they put the customized variant they build each game around in the game? The reason we don't have a "Year Zero Core" is in part due to how much the rules can vary from Genre/Book to the next.

[@DaveThaumavore]

I'm referring to the supplements of games. So for example, it would be like Free League releasing the next Alien RPG expansion with many of the core rules of the Alien RPG included in the expansion.

[@arheru]

@@DaveThaumavore Mutant Year Zero has major expansions that are stand-alone (Genlab Alpha, Elysium, Mechatron). Pretty cool way to do it. Edit: Confused the Swedish and English Titles.

[@DaveThaumavore]

@@arheru I don’t think that is accurate. Go crack open one of those books and look at the table of contents.

[@opscontaylor8195]

@@DaveThaumavore - @arheru is right, the major expansions (Genlab Alpha, Mechatron, Elysium) has the full rules reprinted so you can start your MYZ journey with any of them. I have them both here in PDF and on my shelf to be sure.

[@DaveThaumavore]

@@opscontaylor8195 wow, good to know!

[@PH_Dungeon]

Anyone have any thoughts on how this systems compares to Feng Shui?

[@chaosmeisters6781]

So I had to dig up my copy of Feng Shui 2 to refresh my memory, it has been a long time. Outgunned is much more streamlined and elegant, and dare I say, better written, than Feng Shui. For me it is the better game to capture Action Movie Heroics. However OG is not as deep as Feng Shui is and so hasn't as much mechanical heft. To me that is a plus as Feng Shui always seemed to have way too many checks, too many rules and numbers to track. Feng Shui also has a very thematically strong setting, which OG does not. That's why I feel it is much easier to give OG the specific flavour you want by adding in Action Flicks or setting books to create anything not "generic action movie" without first having to "erase" the setting specific stuff. In OG I add in what I need, in Feng Shui I feel I need to remove what I do not need. Characters in OG feel actually more competent then in FS to me. But they do not grow much compared to FS. On the other hand Roles and Tropes from OG lock you in much less then Archetypes. A lot of FS advancement is just incremental like "Fast Draw I-IV" with numbers getting bigger. There is none of that in OG. That all said, it has been truly a long time and I never played much of Feng Shui, so I am really fuzzy on details. OG clicked with me in a way Feng Shui never did. I can highly recommend to check out the available Quickstart for OG. It is dense and contains most of the rules to know. It should give you a better idea than my ramblings.

[@ejsmith7626]

Can you please review Urban Shadows?

[@Imrkrisztian]

I just became backer #544 :)

[@josephcollins5998]

I love 2 Little Mice. I love Outgunned. But... but... (and it makes me sad saying this) I hated this campaign. I backed at the "adventurer level" - basically, everything new as I already backed and now own all the existing Outgunned (and Broken Compass) stuff. My issue is this - every "stretch goal" basically added a new "action flick" or a nex character to the Adventure book. So, if we didn't hit any stretch goals, the Action Flicks 2 - that I am fronting money for - would have been empty? And there would have been thin content in the main Adventures book? I get why they did it, and they certainly got people hyped, but it has left a bad taste in my mouth and slightly spoiled my love of all things 2LM.

[@josephcollins5998]

But, for anyone who hasn't played Outgunned, it is super awesome!

[@Autonomousprime]

Why not just play Broken Compass instead?

[@MrElliptific]

Little Mice becomes unreadable with all the RPGs they derive around the same themes year after year. Support with adventure books is not that great on top of that. I am sure they can do better with a little more focus.

[@FilCieplak]

Am I missing something, or is this game just Broken Compass? The mechanics are even the same.

[@dragunov2975]

It's thematically and the core resolution mechanic but the rest is all different, like dnd and pathfinder the core rule for a check is the same (roll a d20+mods) but it's not the same game at all once you move from that baseline, also compared to BC its an evolution from the same creators so it has some of the identity while also working on a lot of improvements.

[@chaosmeisters6781]

From the Creators on a Backerkit comment "The two games share the basic dice mechanics (meaning looking for pairs, trice, and 4-of-a-kinds) but that's pretty much it. Outgunned is, in our opinion, a more mature and better developed game that we designed to be extremely modular, so you can play it at the desired level of crunch/depth. My personal favorite things about OG are: -Modular crunch -Role/Trope based Character creation. It takes very little time to make deep and different Characters -Extra Actions management (If you score additional Successes, you have a lot of agency on how to use them on the fly) -Detailed Enemies that you can easily customize. They can be extremely rule light, or much more tactical, depending on the desired duration/importance of the fight. Whether it makes sense to you to purchase OGA when you have another game of a similar genre, that of course is up to you. I can tell you we are extremely proud of our newest baby though :D"

[@FilCieplak]

@@chaosmeisters6781 Gotcha

[@RecklessFables]

I have to admit to almost pledging to Out Gunned and and Outgunning: Adventure but the mechanics didn't compel me. Teaching my players another proprietary dice that involved counting icons felt like a path to "meh" for me. I've run FFG's Genesys-based Star Wars before and was very successful, but it took time and the IP very much carried player-enthusiasm. This system seems like it is a competitor to, say, Savage Worlds for folks who don't want to count in increments of 4 all the time.

[@dragunov2975]

Its not proprietary dice, the system uses only normal d6 for everything, there is nowhere in the rules that requires the special dice they are sold mostly as a cosmetic thing for backers but are no different than a normal six sided dice, and as far as rules go, i've taught it to complete newbies on conventions and its just rolling a pool of dice and making chains of the same number, the longer the better, and also a lot of fun re-rolling and gambles.

[@benkenning1699]

Resolution is simplified Yahtzee, works with regular d6s.

[@RecklessFables]

@@dragunov2975 Thanks. So all the symbols mean nothing, even in the main rules? At least my players could bring their favorite dice.

[@chaosmeisters6781]

@@RecklessFables Indeed, they are just easier and faster to parse to find matches. but not required at all, any d6 will do.

[@pringlesmanpringlesman8918]

Unless it’s free, I can’t care

[@pringlesmanpringlesman8918]

I do wish I could get it though

[@manicpixiedreambuoy]

"...the baroness is super drunk at the moment" *illustration tilts Love the attention to detail--great review! The gambling/pushed-dice mechanic is so much fun. My preferred playstyle is more focused on granular, procedural exploration of a believably simulated setting, but I'm a sucker for pulpy, Indiana Jones-style gritty action; I've added a simple CoC inspired pushed roll rule to Knave and it is a blast! I know some people get very precious about these kinds of things, but honestly it's like adding a dash of cinnamon to Bolognese sauce 🤌