Outlaw Amp Or Emotiva Amp?

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Listen to the audio-only version of this podcast: anchor.fm/dailyhifi Welcome to the Daily HiFi Podcast where we talk all things A/V!
A few of the amps talked about ---
Outlaw 5000x: outlawaudio.com/shop/products...
Emotiva XPA-5: emotiva.com/collections/amps/...
Emotiva BasX A5: emotiva.com/collections/amps/...
This snippet was taken from the April 4, 2022 show.
Does it matter to you which amp you have when talking about only a few decibels at most of difference? Should it matter? Should it not matter? Or does it only come down to distance and sensitivity? Or maybe you just have some difficult to drive speakers? And what about build quality of the two or three amps you may be comparing? What if they have the same warranty? What are your thoughts on all this?
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[@jetirex]

I was pretty close to pulling the trigger on a Bas-x A3 or A5 until I started reading stories of them going into protect mode randomly (A3 specifically) with no real resolution from Emotiva. I found a Model 5000 gently used locally and jumped on it. So far it sounds absolutely awesome! Paired with my Denon X3800h receiver which has a modest output I'm going to up my game from a 5.1.4 to a 7.1.4 setup and let the AVR just do rear surrounds and heights.

[@erod9088]

Both are good, but Outlaw is solidly built and much less expensive.

[@ben23a31]

Outlaw rates their amps at All Channels driven. It also handles 4ohms more efficiently. A good way to measure an amp is if it's power ratings double from 8ohms to 4ohms.

[@caballerosuave]

It handles 4ohms “more efficiently” based on what specifically?

[@ben23a31]

@@caballerosuavedon't take it from me. I can only suggest to call the source (Emotiva) and asked them why they only specify 4ohm ratings at 1k. Why is that?

[@hometheaterjoe9489]

I have the XPA 5, it’s an absolute beast. In reality most of these amps all do the same thing. And it’s not hard to do, all depends on how much wattage you need and budget right? XPA 5 is 250watts per channel all channels driven. It’s a lot, not even sure that much is needed… Youthman nailed this one, love y’all work!!

[@crossfirearcade8015]

Agreed. I have a gen xpa5 and x2 upa 200 I bought when they 1st came out still running strong. More power then anyone well really use but its nice to have that overhead for those frequency spikes.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

happy Tuesday morning fellas. yo to the 4 of you great guys.

[@cduemig1]

I was running my Martin Logan Sequel II’s off a Carver m1.5t that had been rebuilt by carver. When I tried it with the Sony Elite SC-65 there was definitely an audible difference and both outputs were coming from the SC-65. It certainly surprised me. I loved that amp.

[@JoshuaPeters3036]

I know it’s small but a lot of us in the audio world are pretty detailed about our equipment. When I ordered an audio outlaw 5000 the power button was crooked and cocked to the side. I called and the sales representative for audio outlaw said that all their buttons are crooked. I sent it back because I didn’t want my rack looking Jenkee.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

That is unacceptable customer service and product quality control

[@dvvaughn564]

my 5000x isnt crooked

[@JoshuaPeters3036]

@@dvvaughn564 sounds like the audio outlaw sales person I was talking to was lying to me then. I don’t like seriously crooked power buttons or liars so I won’t do business with them again.

[@dvvaughn564]

@@JoshuaPeters3036 just saying its not crooked and he should have replaced yours instead of saying yea thats normal wtf.

[@FREEDOMFIGHTER1207]

I'm running a Anthem mca 325 gen 2 3 channel for front stage with a denon 6700 into svs ultra center, prime pinacale towers 2 svs sb3000 these speakers sing, incredible sound.

[@organfan668]

I have an Adcom 5006 paired with some high efficiency klipsch speakers and it sounds like a real theater. I’ve been wanting to go up on power just for fun and not sure I want to leave Adcom bc of how bright it is. It sounds awesome. Using the Emo mic-700 processor and like it too.

[@kingtrance307]

Look into OSD amplifiers. Built in the same factory as Outlaw and ATI - also they cost less than both Emotiva and Outlaw.

[@Samzep]

Yourthman so if you have 1140 adding a power amp for the front stage wont be much of a upgrade ? The front stage are all 300 watts mains and centre

[@batman.darthmaul]

I was interested in the Emotiva Basx line, but Outlaw amp specs look a lot better, especially THD. The thing is, on Outlaw's site, I don't see a 2-channel or 3-channel power amp. They make a mono-block and then it jumps to a 5-channel. How do you not make at least a 2-channel??

[@kriswelanetz9537]

Because the bundle the monoblocks and knock off a few hundred bucks depending on how many you bundle

[@OffTheWallreviews]

The examples used are not really A to B. The Emotiva has way more power. I own 2 EPA gen 3 and love them. Have had zero problems. May not need the extra power but having the head room is very nice. When I feel like making my ears bleed with my Lsim speakers I know I can.

[@synth505]

Im surprised there was no discussion on the major (and in my view) important difference between the outlaw 5000 and the XPA5. There are balanced XLRs on the XPA5. This accounts for most of the price difference and this is important for those looking for the lowest noise floor possible on higher end gear. If your prepro has differential, balanced XLRs make sure to get an amp with differential, balanced XLRs to take full advantage of the prepros dynamic range capabilities.

[@jetirex]

The Model 5000X has XLR's.

[@garyausten5939]

I'm considering my first amp (for the LCR). I looked at Outlaw and didn't see any 3-channel amps. I'm thinking of an XPA3, gen 3. I have a Denon X4700H running Klipsch in the front and heights and Polk satellites for surround in a 7.2.2 system. The XPA3 is about as much as I'm willing to spend to start with as an add-on The 5 and 7 channel amps have less PPC than the AVR. Wouldn't it be a downgrade?? Just looked at the XPA 5. $200 more for each channel. Is that reasonable??

[@techcode_man]

+1 for Outlaw 😀

[@Krazychris212]

I don’t understand how the fact that the emotiva is outputting double the power over the outlaw didn’t come up.

[@kingeo25]

Wouldn't the BasX 5175 or the A7 be the comparable units from Emotiva rather than their XPA line if you're comparing to the Outlaw or OSD units that were brought up?

[@chebrubin]

XPA line has a 2 product line - fully differential and class H standard.

[@joentell]

Thank you Tim Perry! 🙏

[@marcgallant5270]

My BasX A300 fan kick on really fast powering my KEF Q750's at moderate volumes, around -15. The Q750's play down to 3.8ohms. I'm not entirely impressed with emotiva since their tech support stated the fan should only kick on in extreme cases, or should rarely/never come on.

[@shaolin95]

There is OSD as well which is like Outlaw just cheaper and hence better specs than the Emotiva

[@batman.darthmaul]

Outlaw handles 4 ohm loads much better than Emotiva, even compared to the Emotiva XPA line. Compare their THD specs for 4 ohms.

[@batman.darthmaul]

@@happydogg312 And I've heard similar things from another BasX user, but as someone formerly in the market for an amp, when making a choice about which amp I'm going to spend my money on, I'm definitely going to go for the one which would apparently handle my speakers best. (I also have Polks.)

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Monolith makes phenomenal amplifiers

[@nate7629]

Better than outlaw audio?

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@nate7629 I would say on par with Outlaw. Outlaw has always made some amazing amps. I needed 11 channels . I considered the 5 and 7 amps from Outlaw. ATI makes the Monolith amps for Monoprice

[@nate7629]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 do you recommend osd or what would you recommend for an amp to power jbl studio 530 bookshelf speakers? Thanks man!

[@dvvaughn564]

have an outlaw 5000x 5 channel and emotiva 4 and 3 channel they all perform as advertised. do not see a difference.

[@exovitae]

Emotiva BasX 3 or other model?

[@dvvaughn564]

@@exovitae basx3 and basx4

[@exovitae]

@@dvvaughn564 thanks, so you say you like the Emotiva BasX power amps, yeah?

[@Samzep]

Anthem power amps baby all day long

[@abdulmoosani3276]

I think BAS X is good for atmos speakers and XPA is good for bed level speakers

[@johnbancroft5242]

I have the BasX A3 powering my Klipsch LRC channels, and a BasX A4, for the side and rear surrounds. this leaves the heights for my Denon 6700H to power. I have a small/medium sized room, so more than enough for my needs. PS we can't get Outlaw, or Monolith amps in the UK. I am considering upgrading my LRC to Arendale 1723 Monitors in the future so will get a 3 channel XPA to drive them.

[@o.c.g.m9426]

​@johnbancroft5242 I have the XPA-6 Gen 3 powering my 6 surround. A3 powering RCL & A7 powering my 6 atmos, but I'm bout to cop another XPA6(sell my A7 for $500) since I got klipsch 500sa now

[@ben23a31]

Joe, you had it backwards. OSD is copying Outlaw's design.

[@myplacerighthear3691]

I swear it to be true seven out of ten people will buy one system and hopefully it'll last for 10 years or even more.. please remember guys that seven of 10 u.s. adults make less than $40,000 a year.. they need trusted long-term what do you recommend

[@o.c.g.m9426]

Really 7/10 make less than 40k wow...here iam being a brat complaining bout my $65.5 😔

[@carisbrookefinefurniturean5653]

OUTLAW. end of discussion.

[@alexschmidt7425]

Nope (to the title)... OA rates old school: 130 watts RMS x 7 (all channels driven simultaneously into 8 ohms from 20 Hz to 20 kHz with less than 0.03% total harmonic distortion, A-weighted filter). IM = Less than 0.05% from 250mV to full rated output (130W)

[@pressurewashingbysterlingw9883]

Guys I’m a year behind on a lot of videos I never dreamed Id start actually spending money (laugh out loud)

[@wa2368]

Why is this Channa dude eating Channa masala on most of the videos? Does he never eat before he gets on the camera?

[@chebrubin]

I think the callers all left lacking any more insight than when they joined the call.

[@nostradamus7648]

Outlaw, Emotiva,...ORRR Cambridge Audio?

[@alanprimaz529]

My opinion is that Outlaw Audio is the best and if you can afford their 7220 that is my pick out of their lineup

[@tonymaldonado8116]

Emo has more power .. double the power.. buy once

[@johngault-9597]

Lol, 3 of these guys have a problem with growing older, one doesn't...

[@bugume]

dork right lower