Volkswagen ID. Buzz vs Kia EV9! The Best Electric Family Hauler

[@KyleConner]

Here’s the link to our original electric family SUV comparison! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnOld2utrd-sqMksi=bfY0poOS-6TsMXKa

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Thank you Kyle! I hope you have a great Christmas Eve and Merry Christmas 🎁🎄

[@computerbob06]

Kyle. I don't know what people's experiences are with Kia's and their 12v batteries? I've heard lots of stories on KZbin and in Forums but my Niro EV charges the 12v from the traction battery about 2am every night so I haven't had a problem with it yet (touch wood)! I can only think, that because if you only press the Stop/Start button once it runs the systems from the 12v battery, people are doing this (to entertain the kids while they pop in to the shop or whatever) maybe mistakenly thinking the car is fully on and winding down the 12v so the 10 minutes of charging time isn't enough to recharge the 12v each night!? If I'm going to the shop while the Mrs sits inside, I'll either tell her not to press the Start button or turn the car fully on myself and tell her not to ply around with the gear selector dial (older Niro)! I'm wondering if people out there sit around in the car for ages in 12v only mode then moan online when their 12v battery appears to be suddenly dwindling, without thinking/researching why!?

[@AdamJohnson-h5m]

You guys still didn't include the model y 3 row in your review. I just got a 2025 model y 3 row for 43k after rebates. If you can make it work the model y is awesome

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 $80K for a plastic buzz with only low 200 mile range! that will be worth $20k the second you drive it of the LOT! Charging at EA, a vw product that only works 10% of the time on a good day! SOOO MANY SUCKERS IN AMERICA! This is why AMERICA IS GREAT! PLENTY OF in debt SUCKERS consumers willing to get in MORE DEBT! 🤣🤣 MAGA! 🤣🤣

[@lyledal]

"And, I've brought an oddball." Proceeds to introduce Colton. 😂

[@lowfuel6089]

The Buzz will do really well with small businesses who want to wrap it with their logo. Catering companies, wedding DJs, handyman, etc. just because it's eye catching and cool.

[@anderspedersen6750]

Was in Norway late fall, saw quite a small of the shorter cargo version already wrapped/painted. And the short one looks SOOO much better IMO

[@lahipster3172]

@@lowfuel6089 the Mercedes pure electric motor Sprinter van is same price

[@Gazer75]

See a lot of the power companies using the cargo version of the Buzz here in Norway. They have "free" AC charging at their sites anyway so why not.

[@jonpetter8921]

@@anderspedersen6750 Lots of cargo ID Buzz in Norway. It s the first choice for companies operating in the cities and peripheries.

[@anderspedersen6750]

@jonpetter8921 where I saw them. Spent a week outside Oslo. It makes sense for any business that is semi local, and don't need large items. Like.. a Transit Connect

[@derrick1964]

The only reason why I’m trading my 2017 Model X for the ID Buzz is wheelchair accessibility. I’m going to remove the second row seats and install a remote control ramp at the passenger side sliding door opening. Wheelchair Vanlife baby! I’ll be camping out at chargers mainly 😂. It will be worth it.

[@francesschaefer]

Great for you! Happy travels😀

[@chunkychuck]

I want the family haulers to all have sliding doors!

[@brandonswan9247]

10k over msrp isnt insane. Its disgusting.

[@themidgetsman]

It is the free market. Tesla raised prices more than 15k when there was a Tesla shortage. Then they dropped prices.

[@jayem8981]

Disgusting? This is a luxury item, not a necessity. If it’s not worth $10k over, the consumer can choose not to purchase. Enough of the melodrama.

[@KyleConner]

Thankful that our local dealer never charges over sticker! Shoutout Ed Carroll ⚡️

[@scorpy2643]

@@jayem8981found the dealer employee

[@azorglub]

Good luck selling it at that price...

[@austinolson5302]

My EV9 has the bench seat for the second row with a 60-40 split. The 40 split portion does the same thing as the VW. I put my forward facing kid car seat in that spot and it only barely changes the opening for the third row. Which can be fully mitigated by moving the front passenger seat up to allow full movement of the second row seat.

[@simplygregsterev]

iD Buzz makes me smile which is mowt important. but there is nearly 12-13k price difference here in Canada between a top spec EV9 and Buzz. 215 miles is 350km at -10c that will be about 250-275km which isn’t horrible. Mid spec EV9 is the one that seems to be buying around here I would still take the Buzz

[@joshlemons3662]

I hope Kia will make a fully BEV Carnival. The Carnival is hard to beat for the amount of stuff, people and cargo, that it can carry comfortably. Y’all go on and on about driving experience, but which one can drive around grandma in the back the most comfortably?

[@Shiftheads]

I prefer the Pacifica hybrid. Would be great if they switched to full bev though. Pacifca just has better interior and infotainment imo. Nicer to drive as well.

[@bentondrew1265]

I have a family and live where it is hot. I would prefer an electric car with a start button. It is really annoying to not be able to leave our current electric car on when the driver is not in the driver seat. For example, it is way easier to turn the car on in the cockpit and then load everyone in than it is to have to turn on the car precondioning with an app. It is also really annoying that the car turns off when you hop out at the mailboxes and the kids are in the car.

[@muten861]

So that was some sort of incorrect by Kyle. Apart from the smartphone app, you can also start the climatization in the buzz, via screen. Once you have left the seat, there is a button on the screen to activate the climatization and then the 30 min pergram is starting. And for the nerds: You can implement some sort of camping mode in the buzz via smart home systems like HomeAssistant.

[@joshc6493]

Next year's best three row EV comparison is going to be awesome with Ioniq 9 and Gravity added to the list of competitors.

[@renuing]

Lumber is totally what's going there! Happens way more often than you'd think 👍

[@AllanBuch-e4y]

I really dont understand why the start/stop buttom is a problem? Think some cybertruck drivers with stuck speeder would like it.

[@arrowlogproductions2509]

I’d take a Buzz over an EV9 any day of the week!

[@glennkennedy441]

The ID Buzz absolutely should have round head lights, just like the original.

[@EUC-lid]

You don’t want Mk7 Golf headlights on your 2025 $80k EV?

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 $80K for a plastic buzz with only low 200 mile range! that will be worth $20k the second you drive it of the LOT! Charging at EA, a vw product that only works 10% of the time on a good day! SOOO MANY SUCKERS IN AMERICA! This is why AMERICA IS GREAT! PLENTY OF in debt SUCKERS consumers willing to get in MORE DEBT! 🤣🤣 MAGA! 🤣🤣

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

I think if you have a big Family, i did holyday trips with 5 kids for years, more space is a big win. I either drove at night with the kids sleeping in the back, or you have to stop often. Than charging stops are no big problem as long the infrastructure is fine.This is a huge plus for the Buzz because it can use full power on Tesla chargingstations.

[@johnlabernik4599]

Thank you for including the carnival in this comparison. Carnival hybrid is bar none the value family hauler to beat.

[@QALibrary]

I still believe the EV9 is aiming at the Range Rover crowd vs the 3rd row people mover or ID Buzz - boy the ID Buzz needs a lot longer range

[@Gazer75]

@42:37 Pardon my bluntness, but VW didn't design it with a normal American in mind :P Anyone I know would fit between those seats no problem.

[@scoopman]

especially to fix something with a young kid

[@markbrowne8447]

I have my buzz box permanently taken out so that I can freely go from front to back. Plus it needs to be out to swivel the passenger seat 😊

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 $80K for a plastic buzz with only low 200 mile range! that will be worth $20k the second you drive it of the LOT! Charging at EA, a vw product that only works 10% of the time on a good day! SOOO MANY SUCKERS IN AMERICA! This is why AMERICA IS GREAT! PLENTY OF in debt SUCKERS consumers willing to get in MORE DEBT! 🤣🤣 MAGA! 🤣🤣

[@dpb22]

Kia really needs to bring the EV version of the Carnival to NA.

[@fiehlsport]

It exists?? I need to check this out… we would’ve gone Carnival EV over EV9 in a heartbeat. Toddlers can barely crawl into the EV9 on their own, it’s needlessly tall.

[@verygoodbrother]

They are some things i prefer having absolute control over and one of those is starting the car myself. So pressing a start button is what i prefer.

[@scoopman]

My ID.4 would turn OFF when you turn your head to look to the side before pulling back out of your driveway. The car was extremely sensitive to any change in weight in the driver's seat and used that to literally just put the car in park and say a big "Goodbye" on the screen. You can see this bus did something similar where it told Kyle "Goodbye" on the screen when he was still clearly sitting in the driver's seat.

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 $80K for a plastic buzz with only low 200 mile range! that will be worth $20k the second you drive it of the LOT! Charging at EA, a vw product that only works 10% of the time on a good day! SOOO MANY SUCKERS IN AMERICA! This is why AMERICA IS GREAT! PLENTY OF in debt SUCKERS consumers willing to get in MORE DEBT! 🤣🤣 MAGA! 🤣🤣

[@theredmonkey]

The average road trip is 285 miles (one-way) according to the Bureau of Transportation.

[@JW-hf9ev]

The Macan 4S 2025 I have due in May should be arriving about the time the oversticker comes. 2025 Porsche Macan 4S is a total SUV reality check with awesome ownership tech.

[@cjonesplay1]

Another Amazing Video. God I want a Buzz now. 😆

[@janozkk]

ID buzz, hmm, probably a lease return 3 years from now with a big depreciation. My next vehicle !

[@Indypacecar82]

The thing with car audio systems, all amplifiers are made by harmon kardon. Mostly due to reliability issues and Harmon Kardon has dominated the space

[@Snerdles]

The big selling point if the grand caravan was that you can fit 4x8 sheets (plywood, drywall, etc.) in the back. I had one and a full sized washer and dryer set fit in the back from the store in boxes. It's more useful for regular families than most trucks.

[@WhiskeyHouston]

You guys make too much out of the lack of frunks or frunk space. With 3 row CUVs or vans, and all the interior space, who GAF about frunk space?

[@AdamJohnson-h5m]

Completely wrong. With all those seats taken you still need room for stuff. Try to go grocery shopping with 4 kids and two adults in an ev9.

[@johnlabernik4599]

22:41 my model 3 is the first car I’ve driven where I don’t experience Bluetooth audio lag

[@Molishious]

Right now the EV 9 is an easy win based on price and availability. I can right now get an EV 9 in the trim and color I want for at least $5000 below MSRP. Same 3 row capability, a lot less money and a lot more range. Once the Buzz is selling below MSRP and you can have your pick of the littler, it will be very competitive. The charging speed on the Buzz for Super chargers is a big advantage, but by the time there is price parity I’d expect the 2025 EV 9’s to charge a lot better and have a NACS port. I test drove an EV 9 yesterday, something I can’t do in a Buzz yet and I was surprised at how nice it was inside. The Buzz looks awesome inside and out but VW is staying with asinine haptic buttons and sliders on the steering wheel and instrument cluster.

[@nosoupforyou425]

Buzz is 6 years late to market amongst other problems

[@Ficon]

It’s also so much less interesting than the original show car.

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 $80K for a plastic buzz with only low 200 mile range! that will be worth $20k the second you drive it of the LOT! Charging at EA, a vw product that only works 10% of the time on a good day! SOOO MANY SUCKERS IN AMERICA! This is why AMERICA IS GREAT! PLENTY OF in debt SUCKERS consumers willing to get in MORE DEBT! 🤣🤣 MAGA! 🤣🤣

[@jmbickham]

Kyle… you didn’t hit your knee on the EV9 shifter? 6’0” here and I did… maybe it’s because of that steering wheel distance problem you mentioned, so I moved my seat closer. I definitely loved the space and the GT-Line drove great… You are completely right about once you’ve lived with phone key. Ultimately I had to pass because even with the lease discounts… it was just more than I wanted to spend. Truthfully I didn’t really need THAT much more space like 90% of the time (just wanted more than the Model 3 that I have). After a GM EV drive event that gave me a brief drive in a Lyriq, Blazer EV and Equinox EV and test drives of the Prologue Elite and FWD Touring… I ended up with the Prologue Elite. It’s not perfect, but the space was what I was looking for (vs EV6, Ioniq5 and Mach-E) and daily driver performance acceptable (Sport mode does make a difference… makes it more… responsive)… the dealer made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.

[@brandonswan9247]

39:40 Bro dont laugh at lumber. I put so much lumber into my minivan all the time. Including full sheets of plywood and drywall.

[@TheReal_JG]

I actually like the thought of getting a Carnival hybrid. The only thing that's making me hesitant about getting one is the 1.6 engine. Those engines don't seem to last as long as the almost bulletproof 1.8 that's in my Niro, and a 1.6 engine in a minivan of that size sounds like the engine will be continuously overstressed despite having the hybrid system.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

44:41 really would like to see Tesla adding a „window master mode“ being able to controll all windows with a single switch

[@wuchengranschiiet9992]

Merry Christmas!

[@CarswithMiles]

Li Auto Mega ;)

[@KyleConner]

Hell yeah brother ⚡️

[@jayem8981]

100%. If only. Hopefully in 5 years it’s tech will trickle down to North America 😂

[@Bud_Terence]

@@jayem8981 In 20+ yrs you can import them as classic cars 🤣

[@aaronhendrickson]

New winter test I'll suggest. Snow handling on street. Witch ones will be safe recording to 'out of spec' standards.

[@aaronalter2000]

I would like to see how you remove the 2nd and 3rd row seats on the ID.Buzz to have a totally flat floor.

[@AlexBerman1]

18:30 If phone as a key is like IONIQ6 there's no way a dead phone would unlock the car, well Samsung at least. It's annoying in usage will be nice when UWB gets put into use. Forget that Bluetooth stuff 😉

[@computerbob06]

Since when do we let our phones run out of charge these days?

[@dandaigle4546]

that vw van looks sweet, takes me to years bygone

[@TXmfg]

Are the buzz seat rails symmetrical? If so you can mount them backwards for more lounge vibes

[@EUC-lid]

The outboard seatbelts are in the C-pillars, not the seats.

[@ItsAnotherDanny]

really wish VW would bring the shorter ID. Buzz to the US. WOuld love to have an electric VW van but I don't need 3 rows.

[@Wised1000]

I'll take my buzz lime green please. Instant EV icon. BTW the high price means fewer in the road and gives it a neasure if cachet. Like everyone agrees, only 20kw short from true greatness.

[@RobbieFitzgerald]

In Canada, the EV9 starts at 63k and the Buzz starts at 80k.

[@Snerdles]

Which makes the EV9 eligible for the federal 5K EV rebate and the buzz not. This also means any provincial rebate also won't stack so in places like NB the EV9 gets 10K off in rebates and the buzz you pay full price making the gap insane between the two. You could literally buy another car with the EV9 for the same price as a buzz.

[@RobbieFitzgerald]

@Snerdles Yep. VW seriously messed up.

[@L-life-w5x]

Rear........ drum brake? ID. Buzz

[@joshreed1216]

ID buzz all day long for family. That crap trunk space and third row is killer on the EV9.

[@boudewijn-]

Do you only get the buzz now? Here in NL it is already here for 3 years, and it cannot tow anything.

Huh, the new gtx tows well afaik? 1800kg I believe.

[@boudewijn-]

Did not launch yet here

[@genmilk]

There is an advantage in the ID buzz with captain seats that I don’t see anyone talked about. You can move the console between second row seats to fill the gap for camping. Even it is not tall enough, you only need a small extra item to make it flat.

[@johnmac609]

the buzz would rule for kids. would have it over the Honda odyssey if it weren't $65k and like 200 miles range. fuck it's cool though.

[@Ficon]

EV9 Wind owner here. I’m getting 3.3 mi/kWh combined with 80 mph highway driving, 4+ mi/kWh (best 5.7) in the city. Glass roof without shade on the Buzz is stupid, no amount of tinting will prevent extreme solar loading in the summer. Buzz is super cheap inside, EV9 interior quality and the base sound system are comparable to my old Porsche Cayenne.

[@adamcoppock5018]

Why do all of VW's EVs look like they're made of plastic? Also, I'm surprised car brands haven’t realized that hardly anyone can afford them in 2024.

[@2nd3rd1st]

Just in case you've missed it: Kyle is over 6 foot tall

[@vxnova1]

A half price buzz like 35 to 40k range would be a game changer

[@AaronStarkLinux]

What upsets me is that the VW ID Buzz is so expensive here in EU that the Long Cabin version barely exists, it's not even for sale in Spain. But you are getting it in the US for almost the price or even cheaper than the short cabin (small battery) in EU... That's what is crazy. Certainly, the prices will drop since no one is buying it here.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

The thing with Kia’s and Hyundais new CCOS system is it will be improved with OTA updates. So let’s see. Ofc they should have brought the software to a good stand bevor releasing the car but now they need to fix it afterwards ota.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

Something I really wish Tesla would add to its vehicles would be an electrochromatic glass roof

[@vesuvius007]

One thing i think this channel could consider more is the day trip or weekend trip. My family of 4 does way more of that than long road trips. For me, the id buzz just doesn't have enough range. My in laws live 90 miles away and I'm in Wisconsin. If I'm paying that much for a vehicle, i need it to get there and back, in winter, without stopping to charge. The Bolt can do it (barely) with an overnight slow charge.

[@genmilk]

What prevents you to charge at your in law’s place?

[@wzDH106]

Complaining about the lack of front storage with a vehicle with no front end is a bit silly.

[@EUC-lid]

There’s a massive dash in front of the driver. It’s all wasted space because VW can’t plumb a proper EV thermal management system.

[@wzDH106]

@EUC-lid The ID4 also has a massive dash, not including the actual front end without storage. I'm honestly not seeing the parallels here.

[@PluginDuo]

We'd definitely choose the Kia. Hope either Kia moves the charger to the rear driver side, or Tesla installs more V4 chargers with longer cables. Or even better, both!

[@petergilbert9066]

Removal of the centre console "buzz box" is necessary to swivel the front seats around.

Whoo. The EV9 seems to be much more expensive here in Sweden compared to the buzz. Not close at all, more like 10k USD.

[@freddydiazg]

I wanted 7 seats and AWD, and was torn between the Buzz and EV9, then learned no 7 seats on the AWD... EV9 won

[@lovswr]

I saw my first id. Buzz in the wild, yesterday after work. I was about a block away from Bayshore in Tampa. I think the young lady driving was lost. Also, it appeared to be the short wheel base version.

[@johnmac609]

vw should have like a 120 kwh battery with how long it is... and maybe more efficient motors. they need to get some range out of it despite the rectangle shape.

[@ToshiClark]

When comparing MSRP of the two EVs in Colorado to that of a non-PHEV/BEV minivan or SUV, consider leasing then buying out the lease immediately. Through the end of this year that nets $12,850 off MSRP effectively for the Buzz between the lease cash + CO signed over credit. The EV9 math would be even better as they're pushing big Kia lease cash at them.

[@simson4t]

The ID buzz is NOT expensive! You get a lot of car for your money in every aspect. And the manufacturing cost is way higher than the Kia or any similar SUV. The second and third row seats are crazy expensive. Also the two Power sliding doors are way more expensive than the normal Doors. Than the giant hatch, giant Glass roof etc

[@Icayn]

The Chevy bolt has more range, the buzz is overpriced

[@computerbob06]

Bought one?

[@yayinternets]

I have ridden in a higher trimmed id4 and they are very nice. I understand that the tech is nothing like a Tesla but they actually put some money into the materials, general usability/comfort features, and sound dampening compared to Tesla. Granted I haven’t been in a refreshed M3 yet, they seem like the quality is quite a bit better.

[@anishsomani]

Mode Y 7 seater and model X 6 seater are the only other ones with 7 seats where you can leave a car seat installed and still allow 3rd row access.. baffles me why most manufacturers don’t factor that in. Its a 7 years of a family’s situation

[@sunnyvalentino]

I use electrics as city and suburb cars and commuters, not as interstate family trip vehicles. Both these are great for that, but the Buzz has amazing style

[@ToshiClark]

Wouldn’t the dark horse comparison be to the Pacifica (plug-in) Hybrid instead?

[@ZekeBriarcliff]

The Buzz looks great but the lack of buttons/knobs plus the weak range make it a loser. I'm waiting for the Hyundai Ioniq 9, ;)

[@emrimbiemri3211]

24:21 did Colton not get the update? The nav is on point (now).

[@aaronhendrickson]

If you need to do a little more testing with the id buzz, tfl bought one.

[@shayasteinberg4812]

i happen to use the ev9 in built infotainment system, i have to say it has improved considerably. While it is still not perfect its good to see that kia is vastly improving it. The maps got updated with new roads in my area etc.

[@billhurt3644]

Guys, I cannot overstate how frustrating it is that ID4 doesn’t use a start stop button. Every time I want to leave someone in the car while run in to get something from the quickie mart or pick up a pizza and the music stops and the AC turns off, I seethe inside. Every time it turns itself on and off three times while I hike my butt up in the seat to put my wallet and keys in my pocket, or turn around and grab my jacket out of the back seat, I want to scream. A start stop button is a non-negotiable must have in my next EV.

[@Charlesbjtown]

You are aware that ID4 has immediate climate control, right?

[@pasad335]

Here, here. Must have for me also.

[@scoopman]

yes this -- I think VW's implementation in particular is way too sensitive to any um adjustment of your butt cheeks. I had the thing turn off at a parking garage when I went to grab the ticket with people behind me. Then I had to get carplay back while exiting the garage in a city after turning it back on. Really another thoughless touch by VW

[@pine111]

Hard disagree. Its an EV, it doesnt need to start anything, getting in the car and having it ready to go and just being able to leave the car and trust that it turned off is awesome. Especially on a cold or hot day, if you forget to start AC from your phone, getting in the car and having it immediately start cooling down or heating up simply because you've opened the door is so nice. Push button start is ICE thinking. I also never ever have issues with ID cars and them turning off when you shuffle in your seat, unless you're practically standing by that point and have no weight on the seat, also when you open the door to leave, it gives you an option to leave the AC on, so that's a nonissue.

[@Indypacecar82]

I have only tried the relaxation seat in the new Santa Fe. I think it works really well in that car

[@TheDudeQB]

That EV9 lease price is bonkers. What are the milage limitations?

[@TheJason989]

I liked both Ev9 and id Buzz so hard for me which one will I choose depending which i get the deal from a dealer

[@Shiftheads]

Should go for the Pacifica hybrid. 35 miles battery range. Full tax credit and discounts give it like 20k or more off msrp right now. I barely used any gas in ours.

[@guccisasha]

Ty Guys, Merry Xmas, ty for all the videos throughout the year, very informative, entertaining and exciting to watch. I appreciate OOS team. BTW: Kyle, you need new shoes bro, you are walking a lot!!.

[@ChicagoBob123]

With battery prices falling can these EVs fall in price to be inline with a Hybrid?

[@kenastl]

Does Carnival have V2L? That's the deciding factor for me. I need my car to be a backup battery too!

[@fiehlsport]

It doesn’t have the battery capacity to support V2L

[@RebelRanger2009]

39:37 Lumber, gotta love Coleton! I laughed so hard, yet it is true. My dad used to haul lumber in his 1993 Caravan AWD, all the time.

[@adamt195]

100% theres gonna be some guy buying one of these (or maybe in a few years used), and ripping all the seats outs and using it as a trade van for his plumbing company or whatever.

[@loconius]

You said the carnival has a 7th seat… that’s an 8th seat lol. You guys didn’t even compare those third rows, which is the main concern I have with these EVs! It even looks like the width of the buzz is the same as the carnival, are the two seats bigger then the two outboard positions in the carnival 3rd row?

[@JakeShirley]

I put the occasional 2x4 in my Model 3, so while you joke it'd be RAD to have the Buzz.

[@abid77]

Hi Kyle. Happy holidays. Recently added a Honda Prologue to our stable. Any word on Honda being able to charge on SC network without the blazer ev work around using the Nacs adapter? Do you know if Honda plans on offering adapters to Honda EV owners or atleast sell them.

[@donaldlohouse1334]

I'd go to Home Depot and load lumbar in that...how cool.

[@loconius]

Do you guys have a review of the odyssey, it’s the driver’s minivan because of that v-tec v6 engine in it!! It’s no racer, but surprising drive for a minivan!

[@Ficon]

Previous-gen Sienna had the engine out of Lotus Evora. No power under 5k rpm is what I want in my family hauler.

[@adamt195]

Really hope the future of the Tesla supercharger support is made more clear, and existing stations are upgraded or clearly marked online. Non-tesla owners should only need to know 1 thing: Will my car do 86 or 200+ kwh on this station? Either ABRP or google maps or the internal car nav should be able to account for that.

[@alexgruia88]

That price is freacking crazy, in Romania i can order the id Buzz pro kr 210kw for 52,117 $ VAT included.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

EV9 all day over the Buzz. It’s just nicer all the way around and the warranty is a huge bonus. The lease deals are amazing on top of it. The buzz looks different and that’s a good thing. But the windows not closing, the beeping from the trunk for no reason, no cup holders in the rear, only 3500 pounds towing. It screams software issues and problems to me. A minivan will always provide more space than an SUV. That Carnival would probably be my choice if I needed a big people mover.

I mean I own neither. But lots of problems with the EV9 from reading in a Swedish EV9 fb group. If the buzz is even worse, then wow.

[@LifeAfterLosing]

When VW has to go looking for help in China for software, that’s a red flag to me. Software is the engineering of today and of the future. If VW can’t engineer EV’s themselves and needs to have others do it for them, they might as well just sell to the Chinese software developers. The Chinese just want access to factories in Europe and other locations across the world to avoid tariffs, they know how to build cars since software pretty much can tell someone how to do it, what materials, costs, and so on. VW’s value is in name and geography alone if they can’t master software by themselves. This is why Tesla is so valuable and why their software is the best out there while the build quality of their cars may lag a bit. To me the only thing Tesla lacks is updating the look of their cars at a faster pace. That would allow them to fix quality and design issues quickly and make them always look fresh. Right now they all look dated other than the model 3 refresh, and that took way too long to refresh. Once they got that down, they will be the only ones that will be able to compete with China. Hyundai and Kia are next in line and I think are way ahead of most other automakers right now but lag Tesla. Their focus should be on lowering costs and prioritizing software and quick software updates.

[@pine111]

They said the software on the VW is significantly better than on the Kia multiple times in this video. There literally are cupholders in the rear, 2nd row in the doors, 3rd row on the side, it was shown in the video, the beeping was because they kicked under the tailgate and it was waiting for them to walk away and then it would close. It feels like you’re just trying to nitpick the VW. Also if you’re gonna talk about issues, the EV9 has 12V charging issues which can brick the car, and ICCU issues which means the car may derate or fail during AC charging because it’s overheating. I assume both manufacturers are working to fix their own issues.

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 $80K for a plastic buzz with only low 200 mile range! that will be worth $20k the second you drive it of the LOT! Charging at EA, a vw product that only works 10% of the time on a good day! SOOO MANY SUCKERS IN AMERICA! This is why AMERICA IS GREAT! PLENTY OF in debt SUCKERS consumers willing to get in MORE DEBT! 🤣🤣 MAGA! 🤣🤣

[@LifeAfterLosing]

@ because it’s Chinese developed. Also, with over the air updates, the Kia could be improved tomorrow. That’s the great thing about newer cars. Hyundai and Kia learn fast and will update it.

[@Girack]

I chose the Buzz over the EV9. Really wanted the kia but the vw roominess, van heritage and culture won over better range, all wheel drive and v2d.

[@AdamJohnson-h5m]

So you emotionally purchased an overpriced ID4 ...

Time to road trip the VW ID BUZZ to Socal.

[@JW-hf9ev]

Awesome job

[@gbphil]

Regarding removable bin, it's needed for the campervan or executive bus version where you want front seats that can rotate to face rearwards towards a meeting table or become a bed. 😎😇

[@Gazer75]

@38:35 I would never get a glass roof if I can avoid it. More heat loss in winter and more heat into the vehicle in summer.

[@davidhein6044]

What about the Ex90?

[@usaverageguy]

The Buzz is perfect as a TAXI.

[@peternystrom921]

What familj dont go on trips and hollidays? Need the highway range 100%

[@luisbarraza9709]

Which one is going to be 40k used in a year? The will be my pick

[@Icayn]

Both