Tesla Model 3 vs Chinese Equivalent

[@MGZetta]

Tesla itself is getting sold like 40% cheaper in China. That should tell you a clue about deadly competition and price wars in China. Chinese consumers are getting spoiled with cheap and high tech cars. As a consumer like rest of us, I think that's how markets should be.

[@welbyroberto6581]

Meaning, Elon is reaping huge profit all the way to the Space X and still makes money in China. Biden and VP Trump protect him by imposing 100% tariff on all EVs from China

[@ms-jl6dl]

Chinese state subsidizes its EV companies from enormous budget surplus China has and basically dumps EVs on European market killing the competition with bellow cost pricing - their car producers lose money on their cars but Chinese State covers those loses. China also still has "underdeveloped country" status and therefore receives financial support from the USA. And you can not own more than 49% of "your" own company if you want to open factory in China. Those only few issues with so called free markets. Next,it'll take Chinese companies decades to create decent dealership network and for their cars to have decent resale value but most people driving those cars never ownes them so don't care about those issues,second-hand buyers do and it shows. EVs are Ponzi scheme.

[@AVB_42]

Slave labour cost is only $370 per month 😂

[@jeffs6090]

​@@AVB_42 Are you saying that because it matters to you? If so, your phone was made under similar conditions.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

​@@jeffs6090how much of phone value is hand made?

[@chekim2]

If Kyle comes to China he'll be shooting car video every single day for the first year because there are so many interesting offerings (production cars, not prototype).

[@chekim2]

@@денисбаженов-щ1б Chinese people have gone from using government issued coupons to buy goods, to a cash-less society, in 40 years! They've gone from no household phone to every kids having a smart watch for video-calling their parents, in 40 years! From 99.9% bicycle society to 40,000km of bullet train and drone delivery and robotaxi. So when it comes to consumer behavior, Chineses are anything but conservative.

[@davidbeppler3032]

10,000 EV startups! Each making 500 cars a year! Every car paid for 80% by the Gov!

[@i6power30]

@@денисбаженов-щ1б I'm not surprised at all. Americans are too comfortable sticking with the old. Chinese people are striving for advancement.

[@simplygregsterev]

@@davidbeppler3032 What many forget is the O&G industry in the USA is heavily subsidised at nearly a trillion per year and increases. China barely has an O&G industry… Funding EVs is essentially the same thing.

[@i6power30]

@@денисбаженов-щ1б they want freedom to drive their old Chevy truck.

[@yusufcanaktas6929]

And people say EVs are dead because europeans are scaling their plans back 😂😂 They are going back to the drawing board because there is no way they can compete with Chinese

[@DarioCoutinho]

EVs make perfect sense in third world countries like Brazil. With a clean energy and vast solar energy options, many people are abandoning petrol because of this. Free energy and free "fuel" for EVs.

[@aguruattapiano]

But the public are still not buying enough EVs. A lot of manufacturers made EVs and found no customers

[@yusufcanaktas6929]

@@aguruattapiano Like I said, they can't make good EVs

[@thejinn99]

@@aguruattapiano Its because we keep making luxury EVs. We have only what, two choices for cheap EVs? The Nissan Leaf and the Ford Bolt EUV (which I think has been discontinued). I want an EV but I don't want to buy such an expensive car. I'm fine not having crazy acceleration or going 250+ miles on a single battery, and I want to pay around 20k for a new EV but its like no one is even trying. Maybe its time for the Chinese to eat our lunch because we just don't want to make lunch.

[@witteegameapps7031]

@@aguruattapianoIn the US, it's because manufacturers are offering EV's that are $50K+. The used EV market is booming because they cost $15k+.

[@PianoBoy99]

Tesla model 3 performance in china is listed at 335k Yuan (about 46k) which should be the reference price comparison you make in the video. Not the U.S. price.

[@eugeneanisko833]

I concur.

[@MultiVfc]

yep

[@boostav]

Yeah it's not rocket science, he could've just gone on the Tesla China website.

[@anton_grahn]

💯

[@immortaltobi9679]

The "chinese equivalent" in the video is $42k in USD so i don't see the problem

[@Dillingham-]

The Nio ET9 is intended to be a $100k rival for the best of Europe. Autogefuehl just posted a full review and it looks amazing.

[@ElectricAdventurer]

I'm so glad you are finally getting more Chinese EVs on your channel. It's crazy how good and cheap EV's there are. Really wish we had them here.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

Not unless BYD and Xiaomi are willing to play ball with our government to ensure our protections. If you find the idea of chinese software installed in our nation's power grid or nuclear plants, or weapons facilities scary or real estate magnates too dangerous to leave unchecked, then you should not be wishing to weaken the western world, putting many of our allies at risk, for the sake of a cheaper car. One of the key components of obtaining the $7500 EV tax credit was proof that manufacturers like Tesla source their battery components ethically and final assembly is done in the Americas....

[@chocolatewheelchair]

he is driving it in america i think

[@brandonairey4040]

Propagandist? These products are crap.

[@forgettohaveaname2954]

@@brandonairey4040 who? u?

[@chikinhsieh1503]

@@brandonairey4040 yes, Chinese are all crap. All are fake even their space station.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

I really like this IM L6. It's crazy how many features this car has for the money, as well as the performance and overall specs. I can't wait to see it here in Europe crashing the competition on the German Autobahn as other Chinese vehicles are already doing. Even though I prefer the Xiaomi SU7, this one is quite impressive nonetheless. Thanks for the review, Kyle :)

[@philippelee5720]

More features more breakdowns 😂

[@jefurihartono1630]

​@@philippelee5720they are not pathetic europe Ev cars that breakdown despite 0 feature lol

[@AaronStarkLinux]

@@philippelee5720 Well, I said "crashing the competition" 🤣

[@arek3866]

China might pay to move to their country and get that car for less🎉😂🎉

[@lemagnitio72]

@@philippelee5720and who’s going to be able to fix it?

[@PD55_]

Everyone blames govt subsidies but look at localized supply chains, vertical integration, locally made batteries, prices for local market (no overseas shipping costs). They just have better lower cost manufacturing infrastructure with EVs starting from scratch, no legacy boat anchors. Good stuff.

[@xryanlee]

Agreed. Especially from this particular KZbinr and it shows how ignorant he is. If the cheap price is due to the Chinese government subsidies then why can’t the US do it and has the US not doing it. Is the Chinese government running a charity or what? The fact that these EV is so cheap compared to EVs made anywhere else in the world, it shows how overpriced those Eva made outside of China. Same quality but better price is a main reason why everyone made in China these days including EV.

[@CheddarKungPao]

@@xryanleethe Chinese government has invested massively in battery and vehicle manufacturing. The US and EU has not. That has played a major role in China being so far ahead of the rest of the world. It's just reality. Denying it just makes you look silly. There are other factors at play now that they are ahead, like the experience they are now gaining at building so many batteries and EVs. The companies are now innovating ahead of US and EU manufacturers. But all of that started with the snowball of big government investments. The US and EU could have done it but for political reasons they did not and now legacy manufacturers are struggling in China, which is now by far the biggest car market in the world and continuing to grow while the US and EU car markets are stagnant or shrinking.

[@captainwin6333]

Energy costs as well are lower in China. The EU used to have low(ish) energy costs but shot themselves in the foot and sanctioned the country that provided them with that cheap energy.

[@yuv06]

@@xryanlee You guys need research US subsidizes it's car industry also but no one says a word

[@DarioCoutinho]

People complain about Chinese subsidies, but Mr. Elon literally bought Twitter and help to elected Trump to try block BYD, Xiaomi and other chineses companies in the US.

[@p4ntom87]

please make more Chinese car reviews its really entertaining and most people dismiss Chinese cars as cheap garbage so its nice to see someone being open to them

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

It looks modern, inside very nice. High tech, 100 Kwh battery, high voltage, a lot of power and low price. This should make the traditional car manufacturers in US, Japan and Europe nervous.

[@harriettanthony7352]

Yes, Europe is NERVOUS , hence the tariffs to help slow down the competition. In the USA these will NEVER be sold here. GM/Et Al will never allow them in. And these people have bought enough politicians to insure that goal

[@kenhiett5266]

China is a massive exporter for several reasons, and many are value(s) subtracting.

[@fubolibs4218]

@@harriettanthony7352 yup. Like China in 1800s refusing to trade with Europeans and burying head in the sand until Opium war. 🤪🤣🤣

[@captainwin6333]

@@harriettanthony7352 American politicians hate the American people.

[@MatrixJockey]

It already does. This is why the US has tariffs against Chinese automakers.

[@BBingo-v5i]

This is not even the version with the semi-solid-state battery, 900V architecture and 400kW of charging power yet

[@LittleBoobsLover]

why? SSSB is not avaible yet?

[@JohnCap523]

@@BBingo-v5i he’s too busy fawning over the Tesla.

[@Danly_W]

@@JohnCap523 Competeley missed the point of what the commenter said (and completely wrong about the assumption you made about Kyle), but you do you.

[@JohnCap523]

@@Danly_W Nah, nope.

[@davidbeppler3032]

​@@JohnCap523 saying the Chinese car is better in every way. True Tesla fanboy style. 😂

[@JosephWolfgram]

Wow.. I had no idea that China was that advanced and inexpensive! Thanks for finding this great samples and bringing us the reviews!! As a Tesla investor, I can see clearly now where the competition is for vehicles. I would REALLY love to know how the FSD functionality is working in China today...

[@remix-yy1hs]

Watch kevin. His channel is inside China business on KZbin. The best non bias no nonsense no ads. With sources in the bio.

[@dlf4298]

You can search Avatar or wenjie. (those 2 brands with good selfdriving. ) they call it NOA instead of FSD.

[@whatswhite110]

作为一个中国人，看了很多特斯拉自动驾驶的视频，得出一个结论，并没有比中国其他车强，美国的路况实在太简单，中国的路况比美国复杂的多，所以特斯拉在美国没有任何参考的价值。As a Chinese, after watching many videos of Tesla's self-driving cars, I came to the conclusion that it is not better than other Chinese cars. The road conditions in the United States are too simple, while the road conditions in China are much more complicated than those in the United States. Therefore, Tesla has no reference value in the United States.

[@nagi-springfield93]

Currently best ads system in china is Huawei ads3.0+ version. But other competitor is very good too like denza Li Xpeng

[@tracyli5201]

Tesla FSD will not be available until 2025 in China. It can only do the simple L2 driving stuff for now.

[@mickyd3]

If you have an Android, you can use the phone camera to translate live from Chinese characters to English.

[@NickWindham]

The Google Translate app for iPhone does that too. Clutch for reading signs, menus, etc… overseas.

[@AbrahamFarrell]

Once the car goes to a market outside China they are provided with the relevant language suit.

[@mickyd3]

@AbrahamFarrell We understand that process very well, but currently he is evaluating the car in Chinese.

[@SparkySho]

Dig dat

[@MikeInTheWoods]

The last time I was this early for something, I was stood up

[@CanisoGaming]

And here you are this time stood up by no likes & no heart from Out of Spec 💀

[@simplygregsterev]

This is not just what Tesla is up against but rather what all automakers are up against. China is a decade ahead at minimum

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

It is their inherent advantage of very bad emissions and safety regulations, access to nearby natural resources, and the full might of the communist government to ensure low wages and poor working conditions. If people thought the anti-union Tesla is bad, BYD, Xiaomi are worse.

[@brandonairey4040]

You know nothing friend. Don’t be distracted by the window dressing.

[@amoahgeorge9109]

Where's the window dressing...u clearly are not ready to accept reality...​@brandonairey4040

[@simonpaine2347]

@brandonairey4040 Tesla Fan Boy enters the chat.

[@davidbeppler3032]

​@simonpaine2347Tesla hater spotted.

[@theolich4384]

There is a reason the Xiaomi SU7 is selling 4x the number of the IM L6 per month. It's a much more "conservative", yet advanced and well thought after car than the IM. Kyle is sort of getting it: the Chinese _consumers_ are not unlike their average American counterparts, who care less about software gimmicks than space, comfort and driving dynamics. It's the manufacturers that are being overtly pushy with the "tech features" (thank you, Elon) in order to impress, and with the enormous success of the SU7 sinking in, are just beginning to realize the demand on the ground and dialing all the gimmicks down a bit.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Couldn't resist the Tesla dig? Which "Tech features" do you have a problem with that are on the Tesla but not the Xiaomi? (and before you go "there" I'm on my second Xiaomi phone so the usual "get out" won't work)

[@theolich4384]

@rogerstarkey5390 Nothing personal mate. But the yoke and the overall "do away with physical controls" idea are definitely Tesla-inspired. Then some of these Chinese automakers told themselves that hey, why don't we double down and beat Tesla in its own game - like getting rid of door handles altogether and throwing absolutely everything behind just the screen and voice control. The Xiaomi on the other hand appeared to have taken their time, thanks to their late entry into the EV scene, to observe and figure out what average, not the tech lovers, but average, usually ICE-stuck Chinese consumers do and do not want in an EV. You don't see any of the aforementioned quirks in the SU7 - heck, even the glove box actually has a handle. I assume you are aware of the optional underscreen gadget that can give you several extra buttons and a knob, which IMO is the perfect example of the direction they're going. Yet the vehicle is still fully software defined (they've just released a major OTA addressing the infamous "brake issue", or lack of regen when the ABS is active on the track) with everything properly connected by a LLM-empowered voice command. I see more automakers will eventually reach a middle ground. Ergonomics (for the mortals) and smart features don't necessarily have to be at odds when it comes to an EV.

[@农业不发达]

智己汽车在产品发布会上多次攻击小米汽车，这严重的降低了他们的品牌形象。除此以外，对于异形方向盘上的过度使用也很大程度影响可智己汽车的销量。

[@deltajohnny]

@theolich4384 Great post! 👏👏👏

[@kennyb123]

Kyle in a T-shirt? We're in the end times, folks. 😂

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

🤪😆

[@pasad335]

Our hottest day OF THE YEAR was last Wednesday, so there's that. What I noted was the complete and utter absence of the ubiquitous Starbucks drink.

[@davebest5624]

@@pasad335where ar3 you folks ?

[@pasad335]

@@davebest5624 Southern California

[@chrisborns5972]

I can honestly say I don't much like the looks of a lot of what they are doing there, but at that pricing I would get over things very fast.

[@alysander1439]

if i may ask why dont you like the Looks of what they do? just curious i get not liking a Product but not liking the looks of a whole industry is making me curious

[@JeremySMJ]

Chinese car brand styling is pretty diverse so this seems like a pretty strange concept

[@remix-yy1hs]

​@SMJ-l6r you know most of the designers are western. They hire the best I the world and pay them 3x. All the people the west abused.

[@laurentlow6730]

what are they doing in China that you dont like may i ask?

[@bobsong2990]

What has surprised me most in the past two years is the development of autonomous driving technology. I am in Guangzhou, and the traffic here is crazy, but AI can drive better than most people.

[@GlitterGuru]

I sat in this the other month while in China and the quality is beyond impressive for the price

[@Digwind]

I like these screens! and software in general look very impressive and polished.

[@benedictmarshall7031]

The central display looks excellent - it’s actually integrated into the interior, rather than an iPad hanging off the dashboard and blocking the view. If this car had a purely driver-focused display (or heads up on the screen), I think it would be an improvement.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

The Crab Walking seems to be an interesting feature for the future in order to change between lanes and do certain maneuvers that will be necessary. I mean, I see cars moving in a different way we are definitely not used to. I see a potential there if they keep going with this and improve the technology. You can do anything with electric cars. China is leading the way of normalization and democratization of technology.

[@chekim2]

Most popular Chinese EV brands have a goal to sell worldwide so they run crash test that meet China, US and EU standards. In every crash test that I've seen (there were many), they always exceed the score of comparable class of Japanese brands. If Americans and Europeans can trust Japanese cars, the new Chinese EVs will only be better in their class. There are social media clips of real collision between those EV sedan vs small truck (the sedan wins), or between mini-car EV vs Mercedes GLC (the mini-car wins). I'm aware of the older image of "made in China" still prevail, inside and outside of China, and I'm happy to see a new class of Chinese enterpreneurs who are willing to sacrifice short term profit for long term reputation. I imagine every developing society goes thru those stages...... and now we're at a stage of turning "made in China" up to the same level as "made in Germany". I'm skipping "made in Japan" because every month or so we learn about yet another Japanese brand being exposed for faking their data, and they've been faking it for 40 years..... So Japanese quality might have been an illusion all these times. The German carmakers might have lied about emission data, but they didn't lie about other aspects (so far, to the public awareness).

[@theorenhobart]

chinese testing has a habit of not being worth the car after the test

[@theotheleo6830]

@@theorenhobart What drugs are you taking?! Tell us which cars maintain their value after crash testing.

[@chekim2]

@@theorenhobart Say what you want until you see one in REAL, you'll be pleaseantly surprised, if you have a healthy mind. Or you'll be terrified if you are scared of communism coming to knock at your door at night and drag you into a secret dark room..... 🙂 Look around you, many things are made in China and they're not as bad as you imagine. Take it easy bro!

[@jasons4045]

Japanese cars are known to last longer, not known to be safe 🤷

[@Joa-y4y]

One major drawback with the new solid-state batteries, is the swelling of the battery during charging and, ultimately the degradation of the cell after extensive recharging, lithium is a very toxic metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic metals causing air pollution when mined (horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell future, the way fuel cell catalysts and membranes , there anode and cathodes are becoming so efficient that one day a tank the size of a large coke bottle full of cheap green hydrogen will take your car 1000 miles, this is coming and new home solar cells that make hydrogen coming to market , they will run homes and cars at cheap cost effective prices, why because solar cells have become much more cost efficient in making green hydrogen and better storage in long run, getting bang for buck from solar cells than having battery storage or just plan electricity, fuel cells will always have 10 times more power than any other lithium battery or solide state battery, fuel cell are proven and solide state or lithium will loose in the end when it comes to raw power , fuel cells are becoming truly remarkable engines for all transportation ect, hydrogen fuel cell refueling tanks for cars are made with really strong carbon fiber 5 times stronger than steel, tested for super safe high impact, making it safer than combustion engines or for that matter a lithium cars, plus amazing secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere, after all lithium EV batteries cars most are still connected to oil and coal grids, any way you look at them they still are not eco friendy enough!

[@thumper1747]

I think the collaboration between European design and Chinese manufacturing provides the best results

[@BangLittle-ry4ng]

As a chinese,i don't think so.Although European car design is good,our progress is clearly faster.Today,in the Chinese market ,sales of BMW,Mercedes Benz,Volkswagen,Porsche,and others have significantly declined,and not only European cars but also Japanese cars are facing the same situation.why?because in our opinion,your cars are not only expensive,but also becoming increasingly conservative and lack innovation,destined to be defeated at least in the Chinese market

[@AbrahamFarrell]

Not really. Nobody in China wants those cars. It might do better outside of China though.

[@jmodwyer1]

Good point - Polestar 2/3 for example

[@xmtcaslee]

Middle class of China is dumping European cars, those are too old and expensive.

[@amirmoradi9595]

I also noticed it has a lidar sensor on the roof. So I imagine it can be a lot more accurate than FSD

[@NickWainwright6970]

No chance

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

​@NickWainwright6970 yes, the lidar means it won't drive into moving trains in a light fog.

[@routybouty]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n yea, by not being able to drive at all.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@@routybouty yes, more Americans died in Teslas than any other vehicles this year. Nerds driving fast cars is dangerous. Thankfully Leon is abolishing the oversight boards on auto accidents so it won't count when you perish under fsd any longer.

[@simonpaine2347]

@@amirmoradi9595 Tesla fan boys are so dedicated.

[@DoubleCTech]

I wish we had these cars here in America. Even if they cost an extra $20K they would still be a good value.

[@walidoutaleb7121]

they would cost an extra 60k

[@DoubleCTech]

@ They don’t have to through.

[@cheungchingtong]

If you ever get a chance to fly there and check out what is happening in China automotive market, don't forget to have a check on the following brands, Yang Wang, NIO, AITO, Zeekr, Xpeng, Li-Auto and Avatr, I just finished watching a review of the new NIO ET9, it will my next sedan. Also, I would like to add that, not just Chinese brands have been subsidized, every company, whether it is German, Japanese or American, all get that, as long as brands produce EV/PHEV there. Tesla would not build a giga factory there if it wouldn't get such, please don't pull out this subsidizing bullock again when you questioning the prices, go ask why Elon Musk or Jim Farley, why they and their shareholders have to earn so much out of a car.

[@LittleBoobsLover]

Yeah and there is a huge difference - Elon / VAG get public money and their cars are super expensive, Chinese brands are more to customers wallets. Also premium high-end brands are giving the tech to lower brands, so family cars for low/mid class of workers can get for example Wuling Cloud with DJI cameras for auto parking and 'FSD' This is so insane that USA like communists are blocking market to flood cheap and good cars for low class people. Americans should sent democrats and republicans to jail for this.

[@sprockkets]

Tesla is subsidized there. And they wouldn't have any cars to sell without BYD or CATL batteries.

[@benmlee]

In the long term, only brands that actually make money off the cars will survive. Unless China will subsidize them all indefinitely. Is too early to tell which brand will survive and which will fail.

[@cheungchingtong]

​@@benmlee Then you know nothing about how the subsidies work my friend. Let's say, if you are Ford, you come to China and want to establish a new factory here focusing on manufacturing EVs, the government then will offer you a land with low rent, plus low taxes required and low interest of loan. And here comes the fun part, nowadays in China's market, the main subsidy is not to the manufacturers, but to the consumers. Anyone who wants to buy EV/Hybrid of any brand, Chinese or non-Chinese, in China would get certain discount, and that comes from the government directly, not the brands. Combining all that, it is the so-called "Chinese government's subsidizing their EVs". :) Also I would like to point out, this process that the Chinese manufacturers are experiencing, happened on Korean, Japanese, Americans and Germans back in time, it is nothing new. Some of these Chinese brands will survive and even thrive, some will not and possibly get acquisition. Besides, either can survive or not is not my point, my point is he mentioned he wants to visit China to see what's happening there, so I listed him those brands, which represent the newest technologies that Chinese are having, these brands I mentioned, they are actually beating the shite out of the Germans and Japanese here.

[@benmlee]

@@cheungchingtong As an outside observer I say there is no way hundreds of car manufactures popped up without any government subsidy. In a free market, there are not that many venture capitalist pouring money into all those manufactures. Something is not making sense.

[@KodyCavers]

"Welcome, you join us from the middle of the road!" - Kyle

[@NicoSchurr]

A hatchback almost never gives you more space. It just gives you a bigger opening. It always results in reduced rear visibility and/or tighter packaging for rear headroom. The only way it increases space a tiny bit is it gives you the room between the rear glass and parcel shelf in an emergency. It is just a perceived boost in space. It also makes chassis rigidity more difficult so you end up with less rigidity or higher weight.

[@davidfujkk8018]

It has a semi solid 133 kwh pack version with 621 miles (1000 km) of range in CLTC cycle . meaning it has 1200km(740 miles)of urban range and 800 km(500 miles) of highway 75mph(120kph)speed range which is mind bending meaning you have to charge your ev every 2 weeks with 400 kw charging power.i hope we will be able to buy these evs inside U.S.kyle please do a range test with it

[@BBingo-v5i]

That is the version coming next year right? The one with the semi-solid-state battery and 400kW of charging power. The one tested must have been a different one

[@davidfujkk8018]

​​​​​@@BBingo-v5ino its already on sale since october 2024 in china and dubai or some other markets.

[@ms-jl6dl]

Nobody ever "buys" those vehicles, they are subsidised rent-only products. "You will own nothing and be happy".

[@ProXcaliber]

Keep in mind that the CLTC cycle is extremely optimistic and does not translate to any other efficiency cycle in the world. So while the range is likely still impressive, it likely isn't 740 miles (1,190.91 km) of city range or 500 miles (804.67 km) of highway range. It would likely be closer to something like 400 to 500 miles (804.67 km) city range and 400 miles (643.74 km) highway range.

[@DeniSaputta]

​@@davidfujkk8018 pre order

[@burrowshouse]

Great to see these comparisons, thanks both. Agree we should be comparing prices base on either China-purchased or US-expected purchase prices similarly. Haven’t seen it mentioned elsewhere, though really good info using google translate app for non-Chinese speakers. Just used it on the dialog box for the adas and reads: “After it is turned on, the vehicle will automatically start and stop in the driving assistance Pilot mode according to the actual road conditions and the status of traffic lights at intersections. This function cannot accurately handle all intersection scenarios, please note: In bad weather, when there is a large vehicle blocking the view ahead, or when there are unusual traffic lights, the system may cause the driver to brake by mistake, run a red light, or drive out of lane. Turning and U-turn at intersections are not supported yet When the vehicle speed is greater than 80km/h, the function is limited and you need to control the speed and pay attention to safety. “

[@mr.romero8955]

Let’s send Kyle to China😂😂😂 so much fire content is definitely going to nerd out over there

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

yes please. no visa needed for Americans finally

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n There hasn't been for some time.... and the "Transit Visa" has now increased to 10 days.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

He is going next year.

[@jonarudy]

I don't know if the DCar Studio has the Yangwang U8 or Avatr 07. Reviewing one of these would be great.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

They have the U8 I think

[@ferfromla]

At $42k this car is a bargain! But with Trump's tariffs looming in the background, we will never see any Chinese cars here. One thing is sure: if they were available in our market, they would kill off most American car companies with features and prices. I suspect there will come a point where even Tesla in China will not be able to compete with the wide range of options and improvements offered at affordable prices by Chinese manufacturers. It won't be long before we see many of these cars overwhelming European and US cars on the international market. Here in the US, hybrids will be the norm for a while, with Tesla profiting handsomely from Elon's investment in the Trump campaign. In the EV sphere, unless something changes, the US will be an also-ran. The Chinese approach to offering cars with so many great features as standard, with few extras, is what makes their cars so attractive. China has taken the lead as the world's premier car manufacturer.

[@aussie2uGA]

Yes, I’d say there would be a ton of Americans out of jobs if this is allowed to be sold here.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The thing is, China won't care. They will just sell "Everywhere else" and probably decimate the US brands in those markets.

[@AVB_42]

When you pay your labor $370 per month, it's not hard to make a car cheap. It's not rocket science.

[@ms-jl6dl]

Tesla is profiting from imbecile imposed carbon taxes so every car maker has to buy "carbon credit" from Tesla in order to sell ICE cars on western markets. Hopefully Trump will stop this charade and cut all subsidies for condescending privileged EV posers. There are a lot of poor people more deserving of help for car purchases than EV taliban a.k.a. the green rednecks.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

​@@AVB_42Also, They have the full EV supply chain there. Everything from mining to refining to production and assembly.

[@brankomaksimovicmax]

Someone commented that China is at least 10 years ahead in EV technology, and I fully agree-especially when it comes to battery tech and pricing. They’ve undeniably set the standard there. But here’s the thing: the design. Oh, the design. I just can’t, for the life of me, find a good-looking Chinese EV. And to be clear, I don’t think Teslas are the pinnacle of automotive beauty either. Yet, when you look at the US and EU, you can find plenty of attractive EVs. Take Polestar, for example-clean, modern designs. Porsche? Obviously, the Taycan and Macan are some of the best-looking EVs on the market. BMW? Sure, they’ve made some questionable design choices with their EV SUVs, but the i3, i4, and i5 are solid. Mercedes has a mix-some of their EV sedans miss the mark, but their SUVs can be quite sleek. Audi consistently delivers beautiful EVs. Even brands like Peugeot, Alfa Romeo, Fiat, and VW-while they lag in battery and drivetrain tech-still manage to put out cars that are easy on the eyes. China, though? Their designs feel like a missed opportunity. Even the Xiaomi SU7, which has become a fan favorite, looks like a poorly reimagined Taycan. It’s as if they’re so focused on the tech (which they’ve nailed) that they’ve completely overlooked aesthetics. It reminds me of newer Disney movies: visually stunning with massive budgets, but somehow the script still falls flat. With all that talent, technology, and resources, how is there not one Chinese EV that truly stands out in terms of design?

[@nicholaskolnik6458]

I love that it looks like they are standing in the middle of the road! 🤣

[@JoseJimenez-zf8cu]

One of the interesting aspects of the Chinese versus the US market is the technology available. I just saw a video on the Li Auto L9 and from a features perspective it is something I would want to buy but not available in the US market. Why can't we produce something like that? I drive a GMC Sierra EV but would definitely jump at a L9.

[@fubolibs4218]

And you are not even digging into advance battery tech. CATL says solid state by 2026 and unlike Elon they don't lie. That means the truck you are driving will be weighing 1/3 as less and 500mi easily on anything.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Because China started developing Batteries in the 90's (earlier?) and EV's not long after, while "others" were still convinced "they" would win.

[@fubolibs4218]

@rogerstarkey5390 more like late 2000s. BYD was/is vendor for Apple iPhones. Then the latest leadership (political) approved investors to acquire CATL in 2015. That company has 10,000 material science PHDs now. That's how you advance in batteries.

[@mctennys]

Absolutely! Nothing gets close to L9!

[@Brentonlangaigne_93]

This simply proves how advanced China is in electric vehicle production and how much catching up tesla has to do. The IM L6 is an amazing car, way more awesome features as standrad, wayy more power and great price, love it! P.S: I dont know if DCAR can import it, but I'd love to see you review the Onvo L60. That car is as close as a Model Y competitor as you can get. In fact, they benchmarked the Model Y to make it better in every metric as possible. Maybe, that comparison video could come in time when the Juniper refresh Model Y drops, which should bring it closer in features and quality to the Onvo L60.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Why "Tesla" Why not "Everyone BUT Tesla"? smh

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

​@@rogerstarkey5390Tesla is dated and boring in China. It just has its cult status, like apple or Nike. But yes, if the USA cars went to China it would be the same issue. Koreans and Japanese can't sell anything in that market.

[@rahuladduri6562]

He ain't know wts cooking in China....he need to update his knowledge

[@steveny9972]

Exactly, he was neat picking the issue with the cars M3 rofl. lol at interior too chubby comment, when you see the interior of TESLA = dry and nothing

[@allenz2922]

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that Chinese automakers will "demolish" global rivals without trade barriers

[@theorenhobart]

but elon is all for fair trade, right ? haha sucking and blowing at the same time. jp morgan all over again

[@walidoutaleb7121]

@@theorenhobart what are you even talking about

[@mukamuka0]

He also said, soon BYD will be the biggest car company in the world

[@donschiffer7400]

It’s really not hard to see how Chinese EV’s are cheap. The world has spent a few decades getting cheap parts made in China continually pushing them to increase quality while keeping cost low. People complain about subsidies but American and European car companies have gotten massive subsidies too.

[@shavaughndavidson2257]

once again all the cars Dcar have id like to see

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Same

[@burrowshouse]

Great to see these comparisons, thanks both. Agree we should be comparing prices base on either China-purchased or US-expected purchase prices similarly. Haven’t seen it mentioned elsewhere, though really good info using google translate app for non-Chinese speakers. Just used it on the dialog box for the adas and reads: “After it is turned on, the vehicle will automatically start and stop in the driving assistance Pilot mode according to the actual road conditions and the status of traffic lights at intersections. This function cannot accurately handle all intersection scenarios, please note: In bad weather, when there is a large vehicle blocking the view ahead, or when there are unusual traffic lights, the system may cause the driver to brake by mistake, run a red light, or drive out of lane. Turning and U-turn at intersections are not supported yet When the vehicle speed is greater than 80km/h, the function is limited and you need to control the speed and pay attention to safety. “ ACC Automatic lane change when turning signal is on sound High-speed elevated road pilot

[@ecdriver6595]

Good review, thanks.

[@SparkySho]

The Best review team on utube also has similarities not competition

[@TrevPagesPlace]

Seeing this I understand why the US and Canadian markets are throwing huge tarrifs on Chinese cars, they would clobber the US makers with the better value. Gotta protect those jobs!

[@mcsike7264]

I mean when your heavily subsidized you don't have to care much about being profitable😂

[@jayem8981]

@@mcsike7264Lmao, you don’t realize U.S. EVs are heavily subsidized? Go look at how much money Tesla’s received.

[@mcsike7264]

@@jayem8981 fun fact the us subsidies were made for the legacy OEMS to help then chatch up to tesla nut tesla saw the opportunity to also use it and took it tesla was doing well without the subsidies but got a boost with em

[@AVB_42]

​@@jayem8981 there is no comparison between US and Chinese subsidies. Plus they pay their slave labours $370 per month 😂

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@jayem8981 Tesla isn't "Subsidised" over any other brand.

[@urbanstrencan]

Kyle great video. It shows how advanced is EV tech and car platforms from Chinese automakers like NIO, Xiaomi, SAIC, Geely, and their subbrands. The US and EU really need to step up their tech side of EV car development. China is still behind on driving dynamics but is surely coming closer with all the engineers they get from the EU. I can't wait for more videos like this :)

[@dannyboy6983]

Star charge!!! You make those ads pop Kyle!

[@dannyboy6983]

but its here... tell'em Alysaa!

[@davebest5624]

Very pleased Alyssa had a good back seat experience 😅

[@welbyroberto6581]

Meanwhile my relative already booked a BYD Sea Lion for 2025 instead of the Y

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Excellent. Good relative.

[@jwchen6952]

Its awesome you filmed it at the old MCAS Tustin.

[@zeitgeist888]

I'm really enjoying the review and coverage of Chinese EVs on the channel thank you. Most of the features on the IM L6 are just OK except I really like the extra power over a M3P and the rear steer. I think rear steer is exceptionally beneficial especially in urban settings and for Europe where these will hit the market sooner but it helps with parking and handling while feeling more secure. The hatch area and rear view out of the tiny rear window would be a deal killer for me. I think in a couple years or with some western focused updates these cars will be serious contenders even for the most jaded.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Kudos to Kyle learning Chinese to evaluate this EV. Amazed he knows how to change settings and configure vehicle when nearly everything is in Chinese.

[@xiantong12315]

This one is the normal not semi-solid state battery version. The solid state one is coming in Q1 2025 with 133kwh. Currently bottlenecked at charging speed (you don’t want 80kw@50%SOC right?)😂

[@BBingo-v5i]

correct

[@narvuntien]

So I drive an MG4 (SAIC also) and it is basically the best driving of the chinese options here in Australia. BYDs and Cherry aren't anywhere near as good to drive. The Xpower variant is the one with this level of power but I have a mid spec, Trophy, 450 km range all the safety tech. People do find some of its safety tech a bit annoying as it basically grabs the wheel if you hit a white line. Its interior is not spectacular but it is cheap (half the price of this one). Its software is slow, but functional, I really like how easy it is to navigate with just the buttons on the wheels. My friends joke the the little graphics on the drivers display showing the cars and bikes around you is like I am playing a video game.

[@michaeljouaneh8571]

Can you test a NIO or their ONVO sub-brand?

[@jeep128]

I wish America could receive this along with those prices 👍🏻

[@RONderluck]

Not going to happen.

[@tomm5936]

What’s the charging like on this car. If it’s high voltage it may have really good charging.

[@tren133]

The top end semi-solid state pack on the newest version of the L6 offers peak charging speeds of up to 400 kW, which is far faster than any Tesla (or any other EV available in the US market for that matter) can manage. Even in China this would be one of the faster charging cars in their market.

[@tomm5936]

@ that’s wild. It’s a shame Kyle couldn’t show us that.

[@tren133]

@@tomm5936 I don't even think we have any DC fast chargers in the US that is faster than 350 kW, so our chargers couldn't even hit that peak anyway. In China they have deployed 600 kW DC fast chargers because the top end EVs such as the Li Mega can reach peak charging speeds of over 500 kW.

[@tomm5936]

@@tren133 I think the Ionna site they showed in a few videos has 400 kw chargers but even if it was just 350, it would be wild in such a small car at such a low price.

[@aleksandrzonis3434]

Model 3 performance sells for $46k in China

[@nicholaskolnik6458]

Please make a podcast explaining the different battery types and pluses and minuses of each.

[@Brian-dd2df]

I was just driving out past Blythe on the I10 and drove by a BYD EV. Then later that same day near Temecula I saw what I can only describe as a camouflaged Kia Soul EV.

[@jessestone117]

Timestamp for the self driving?

[@abattles8651]

I knew I wasn’t that high, I’m thinking damn that car needs an alignment bad 😂😂😂 0:30

[@tjadventure1990]

No body review lynk & Co z10? It's right there.

[@Lobo243]

Beautiful car ..inside and outside ❤

[@erack1]

Can we talk about the most subtle and perfect way to place a trunk opening button? It's built into the logo!! Ingenious. Meanwhile the dodge charger looks like an absolute afterthought in that regard...out spec in regards towards trunk space. Ya'll should do what AutoGefuehl does, bring out the ol' fold up meter stick and get some measurements.

[@low-daddy]

Bjorn's banana box test is good. saying something has 40cu ft of space is one thing. seeing what that 40cu ft looks like with stuff filling it is more informative.

[@peepinR]

I hope he can get ahold of some of Zeekr's offerings because the 001 (which is what I want) and the Mix are super cool. The former I think would get people back into station wagons.

[@brian.z6592]

Time to go to China to film an episode!!!

[@露透社]

他这车就是华人进口商那里借来的，国内有的他们都进口了。估计是前期市场调查，那个品牌好就代理那个，在找合作商。德州也有几个老头在墨西哥那边也进口了好几辆中国电车在研究，看他们估计要拆解研究。

[@brian.z6592]

@露透社 如果可以开到加州以外的州长期使用就好了。

[@露透社]

@@brian.z6592 美国是加征关税，估计没有禁止，但成本太高，没有私人单独买好运输过去使用。有估计是可以的，好几家公司在测试，不知道他们是车企的前头运营公司还是其他公司在测试市场，但看他们集中在进口，估计要做经销商。像比亚迪，奇瑞，吉利他们有经验和经销能，直接可以开拓市场，但新势力团队少，资金也少，只能避开成本找当地合作商。看美国网友的反应，理想，蔚来，小鹏，比亚迪，吉利，奇瑞，华为都有不错的市场。现在等川普上台，要不然刚给拜登交完保护费又要给川普交，美国政客现在就是利用职务便利各种打劫在美国的企业，要么交保护费，要么入股分红。

[@bobsong2990]

What has surprised me most in the past two years is the development of autonomous driving technology. I am in Guangzhou, and the traffic here is crazy, but AI can drive better than most people. 16:06

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

So many tesla fanboys in the comment feeling hurt because Teals is ripping of Americans 🤣🤣😂😂

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Yup

[@Alberto-xw8vx]

As Tesla investor I hope Tesla doesn't fall asleep on China, as the competition is though and the Chinese do not care about badges and names anymore 😢

[@walex19]

What about legacy auto?

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@walex19 calm down fanboy

[@walex19]

@@onetwothreefour-s1n calm down hater

[@xXDrunkMasterXx]

This car looks amazing! Any idea if they have plans to land massively? Just UK in Europe is pretty small percentage.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

10:45 This is probably the thickest double laminated glass i have ever seen lol

[@kinkong1961]

I do hope it comes to the UK I for one would be very interested in it I love the screens and battery size and performance for the price but I know the price won't be that cheap I would be expecting 60 grand here in rip-off Brittain.

[@shavaughndavidson2257]

would like to the the lynk&co z10 and the zeeker

[@mariocutz]

The trunk is small bc their family is smaller than the US. We load up on food they don't need to. We load up Costco, winco, Walmart, target all in one trip. They buy the essentials everyday rather than all in ONE load

[@patriksteffan2060]

In China the TM3:P costs 335 900 CNY which is +-46K USD? If you mention what is the cost in China you should mention China TM3 price also. Not the US. If the Chinese Equivalent would sell in the US the price would be probably different also, so mentioning the price from 1 market would be better.

[@ProXcaliber]

This.

[@petrushka2]

JPY335900/155=2,167 USD You mean JPY 3359000 / 155=21,671 USD

[@AbroadinChina]

He meant CNY but he didn't realize 😂

[@patriksteffan2060]

@@AbroadinChina Yeah, my bad🤣🤣 Corrected now

[@freddykrueger79]

that trunk is small due to complex rear suspension with the rear steering... would trade it for more cargo space for sure

[@qmig1]

I really don’t get the crab walk… what is it useful for?

[@thaimeeup]

parallel parking lmao

[@KC-vx7gj]

This car is designed for Chinese cities where are are narrow windy alleys with vendors and roadblocks on the side. A car needs to navigate there

[@alphaomega1969]

It is made to do a u-turn effortlessly, the rear tyre and front tyre turn!

[@qmig1]

Ok it makes sense I guess. To do U-turns I think it’s good, crab walk I’m still a bit sceptical ahaha unless if it can really walk sideways at 90 degrees

[@joshcrd7925]

I kinda wonder that as well, but I live out in the middle of nowhere

[@jaroslav-jaroslavsson]

Most of driving has focus to dashboard some times it is difficult to see blurry outside. Especially if you zoom in. Could you play a little bit more with camera settings to get both in focus next time? I think it is possible.

[@kristoffergo6973]

Man you are missing alot. Chinese EVs are amazing.

[@KP-xi4bj]

Amazing at catching fire. Look up EV fires in China, about 8 daily! LMFAO SMH

[@thewaxlab]

You guys are around the corner from Rivian’s R&D center.

[@PeteLenz]

These top notch cars from China is why Elon bought the presidency for $250m. These brands in the US would hugely devalue Tesla.

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Correct

[@DeniSaputta]

7:40 Is not semi-solit state battray 133 kwh . This only 100kwh MNC battray like tesla

[@Enriquecido316]

I am a firm believer that horsepower should NOT be cheap. Its bad enough with sub 200hp disposable vehicles mashing it with utter disregard

[@tren133]

Unfortunately it really is just that cheap when it comes to electric motors. To make your gas engine even 50% more powerful you'd have to put an entirely new and bigger engine in, with all sorts of packaging, cooling, and other mechanical issues to solve. To make you EV motor 200% more powerful, you just need to bolt in a slightly larger motor that costs like 15% more or something. Making any EV you want into a drag strip monster with 300, 400, or more hp, is basically a trivial engineering task these days.

[@ramblerandy2397]

The IM L6 is an astonishing value car. I'm with Kyle on this one, the Xiaomi SU7 is... cripes, maybe not. Maybe I'd just pay less. And I say this as a Tesla shareholder too. And while we're criticising the Chinese for their Govt giving the companies a helping hand, aren't we doing the same, just in a different way? It all ends with a cheaper price for the buyer.

[@Noaixs]

Tesla should also sell its cars at no profit. 🙃

[@harriettanthony7352]

Upon what planet does OPs business model make ANY sense? WAIT! I KNOW! its the Leftist, "We hate Musk/Tesla because he left the Democratic Party Plantation!'

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

buying presidents is expensive work.

[@remix-yy1hs]

He gets government money 😂😂😂 he just bought the president. 😂😂😂 you are a joke

[@lechonkadventures6616]

i would love to have this in Canada

[@RONderluck]

You can get it without issue

[@JohnCap523]

Is this the new Out Of Spec Parody channel? “High quality Tesla”? 😂😂

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

😂😆

[@lukabosnjak3829]

This new model 3 is indeed high quality in basically every aspect

[@JohnCap523]

@@lukabosnjak3829 Uh huh

[@AnthonyVaz-io2jv]

Thank you for your meticulous reviews. Would you please start using your iPhone to measure sound intensity in dB when you are benchmarking ride quality between different car models.

[@300CME]

It’s crazy how far China has come at building better cars than American vehicles at lower price point.

[@danielzhang1916]

China basically caught up in the last few years, it's just a matter of long term quality

[@rogerstarkey5390]

It's actually "Logical" They started MUCH earlier. They have a Government with "a plan" (and not "open to persuasion" by other "interested parties") They have more smart people and a better education system. They planned and built a vertically integrated industry, from Raw materials to finished product. They started from a lower and more efficient cost base. They (apparently) subsidise LARGE numbers of startups and the best mature into successful companies, then IF those LARGE companies become inefficient or "lazy" They are ALLOWED to fail, with only the best surviving. . NOT so crazy?

[@boostav]

Go look at the average salary of an auto worker in China then compare it to the US.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@boostav Go look at the other 6 (6.5) reasons I stated. FAR more important.

[@joemcdonough7509]

What's wrong with soft padded interiors? I mean as opposed to hard plastics? I understand if you have dogs which would scratch the heck out of it.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Agree, I love soft padded interiors.

[@MichaelW-kx3wz]

Will be really curious to see the quality of these brands if the development cycle is so short, I would anticipate problems to show up once they’re on sale

[@barr96]

Tesla build quality is well documented, even worse after a few years usage

[@charname-player]

Does Chrysler has long development cycle?

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Cybertruck took 7 years and it's the worst truck ever made.

[@Bobbie-KaPanzies]

Are you able to perform a range test and charging speed ?

[@alolanbrock7771]

No mention on the cheap labor ?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Take a look at .... 3(?) things The YT videos showing the general lifestyle in Chinese Cities (No, NOT "CGI") The relative Wage in China compared to other Asian countries (Clue, it's HIGH) The relative cost of LIVING compared to "The West" The fully developed vertically integrated industry, which combined with the volumes produced *Reduces the price of the product* Then, Find a new excuse.

[@independentmind85]

This is a very long way of saying, yes, their labor is dramatically cheaper than in the US which plays a big role in their vehicles being cheaper to produce. It's the same reason we get a bunch of other cheap products from China. ​@@rogerstarkey5390

[@rkan2]

The labour in tier #1 cities where these are usually manufactured isn't even that cheap tbh.

[@ibentTube]

Old myths

[@remix-yy1hs]

Whatever makes you sleep in your car 😂😂😂 homeless American

[@neillgatley8770]

The speed of innovation is the impressive bit. If I owned Tesla, I would make sure that this type of competition was excluded from the USA. Oh, he did😂

[@pranshukrishna5105]

How has Tesla survived in China with their overpriced car and not good enough features compared to chinese ones?

[@yryeye]

1.Tesla was one of the first manufacturers to produce electric vehicles and has many fans 2.The local government in Shanghai has given Tesla a lot of preferential policies

[@yryeye]

3.As you can understand, Tesla is going downhill in cn

[@pranshukrishna5105]

@@yryeye they have still maintained their market share, and Tesla Model y is the most sold BEV in China

[@pranshukrishna5105]

@@yryeye Why have Xpeng or xiaomi or even BYD not being able to outsell Tesla model Y

[@tracyli5201]

Tesla sells much more cheaply in China, but still a bit over this one. Chinese cars benchmark themselves just a little below Tesla in pricing.

[@davidbarry9474]

Doesnt Fisker have a launch control feature as well I understand it has a limited amount of times that car can do it. Is this car limited to how many times it is done?

[@frankiedehockie]

This is better than M3 Performance. Time to accept it the reality. Put SU7, IM7 and M3, many people will not take the M3.

[@mcsike7264]

idk the m3 has bin around for pretty much a decade now so its well ironed out the su7 is 50-50 chance the brakes will work 😂

[@lawrencey0y]

Tesla is protected by the govt in the U.S. The big 3 doesn't sell enough EVs to make them profitable even though they tried. If Chinese EVs are to be sold here, my guess is they will replace the big 3 easily and Tesla may have to make cars outside the U.S. to compete.