Rivian R1S 70-MPH Highway Range Test! Gen 1 Dual-Motor Max Pack

Jordan takes the Rivian R1S Dual Motor Max Pack on our standardized 70mph range test! This is the absolute range king of the (first gen) R1 vehicles.
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[@virtuserable]

Gen 2 tests please!!

[@KyleConner]

As soon as we can!

[@MiguelPalaviccini]

Since gen 2 max pack has the same motors and battery … do we expect a difference? Maybe if they use the long range wheels? Also, the max pack is $14k not $16k (stated at the beginning at the video)

[@iamnid]

@@KyleConner Awesome! I'm very interested in the LFP - I'm thinking it might be the one to get if it is close to stated range and if the charging curve is good.

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Yes please…at 80 (speed limit), no one driver under

[@Eric-xp1kl]

@@MiguelPalavicciniRivian changes price on Max pack several times..started at $19,100.

[@mp3mike237]

Speedometers normally read faster than you are actually going because NHTSA regulations say that they can *never* report a slower speed than you are actually going. Rivian and Tesla opted to report 1 MPH over, some OEMs use a percent, and can be off by as much as 5-6 MPH.

[@USGrant21st]

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the United States does not have specific regulations that mandate the precision or accuracy of speedometers in vehicles. Instead, speedometer accuracy is generally governed by individual vehicle manufacturers, which design speedometers to conform to certain engineering standards. However, there are general industry standards and guidelines, such as those from the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), which many manufacturers follow. These standards usually allow a small margin of error, often within a range of plus or minus a few percentage points of the actual vehicle speed.

[@Buringrud]

Max pack was originally 185kwh. I was told they were working on how to package it to fit, then never heard about it again. So sad.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

"originally estimated to be" - yeah, they also were originally going to make Max Pack a physically larger pack, filling the empty space in the R1T's longer frame/wheelbase, and the R1S wasn't going to get it at all. This was also before they announced the dual motor version. The longer range did match up perfectly with the empty space - Rivian Gen1 packs have 9 modules in the pack, and the claimed extra range was 12/9ths the range of the Large pack - imply it was just going to be the same chemistry with 3 additional modules in the pack, using that extra space in the R1T's longer wheelbase. "185 kWh" was just an estimate based on that "12/9ths" assumption and the Large pack's 140 kWh gross capacity. It was never officially announced by Rivian, just "400 mile Max Pack coming later." Then they announced dual motor, which is more efficient, and Max Pack just became a slight battery chemistry change that slightly increased energy density. This allowed the more efficient dual motor to hit the mile-range target without any increase in number of modules in the pack with this different chemistry. This means the R1S can get the "Max Pack" now. And also why Max Pack was *ONLY* available on the Dual Motor - because that's the only config that could hit the previously advertised "400 Mile Max Pack" range. But yeah, I'd love it if they were to offer the R1T with a physically larger pack, bumping the range to well above Chevy Silverado EV range.They could have a 560 mile range R1T!

[@Buringrud]

@@AnonymousFreakYT I worked there. The original max pack prototype R1Ts were 185kwh. They could fit it in the truck by using the extra space under the back seats. They could not get it to fit in the R1S. They were working on it and scrapped those plans and came out with what you see in this video.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@Buringrud Good to know all the pundit guesses were correct on the capacity, then! This is the first I've heard from an insider truly _confirming_ it was supposed to be 185 kWh. All prior hard numbers were pure speculation. (Or "I heard it from an insider".)

[@BadL_]

they gotta worry about efficiency lol, not battery size

[@LarsDennert]

Very early on the max pack R1S was not going to be had with the third row. I'm pretty happy with my R1S performance max pack. Towing my aero dynamic folding trailer gets me 225 freeway miles of towing range. Long road trips are pretty stress free and I have a Tesla adapter to boot. Last lunch break stop on the road got me to 96% and almost into idle fees. I'm going to work on eating faster but I'm really not doing insane miles per day to need more than this range.

[@dlhorne42]

I guess you could say the Kum & Go...came and went. Truly the end of an era! 😂

[@davidbaker9943]

😂 makes me sad

[@iheartdiscgolf]

Kum & Go was such a good name. so sad that Maverick didn't choose to keep it. Now we have to deal with Adventure's Last Stop.

[@zmarko]

I went to college in the early 90s outside Burlington, NC and there's a shopping center there called Cum Park Plaza. I think it still exists, but it got kinda internet famous 20-ish or so years ago when someone posted a picture of the sign online. Lol.

[@yayinternets]

Yeah, it’s a bummer that all of the Kum and Go branding is gone. They also seemed to be interested in building things that were more on the eco side as well. No idea if that will carryover into the Maverik stations.

[@davidbaker9943]

Very sad day 😂

[@jeremyturner5592]

The range was 346. You’re welcome.

[@yayinternets]

Re: Speed Indicated. I’m a Software Engineer and have worked in all kinds of industries since my career started 25 years ago. Pure guess/experience based speculation; they are likely rounding-up an extra MPH on purpose to be 100% sure to either meet some regulatory thing or avoid some sort of other liability related to it. It’s definitely one of those things that is business/legal driven rather than something related to engineering.

[@darinbrazil5496]

R1T Gen2 Max pack with the aero range wheels should be the range King can't wait to see that test.

[@DouglasDamm-n1u]

Thanks for doing this. 70mph range tests on max pack are uncommon. This confirms your earlier results on the R1T. It would be nice to test the gen2 R1T dual max with the new 22” range wheel/tires. The influence of these new tires and special range wheel covers would be most interesting.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You folks for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@cyco1978]

25:50 yes would definitely love some kind of ETA in the mini map screen

[@Eric-xp1kl]

Jordan, I thought gross pack size on Max is 149 kWh? 142 usable. I just found the answer…each 53G has 19.239 WH x 7,776 cells = 149.6 kWh! There ya go

[@dubudub876]

rip kum and go you will be missed

[@kpblasko]

Absolutely agree on the ETA, etc. being shown in the speedo cluster nav display! Would be so nice to not have to open the full nav screen to see that info on a road trip. An obvious low-hanging fruit value add for Rivian.

[@ZeroDeceit]

I would love to see an EV towing test that focuses on type of load instead of the vehicle itself. For example, pull a boat, an open trailer with a UTV, and an enclosed trailer on the same highway loop to see what kind of efficiency you get with each type of load. The only EV towing tests I've seen done are with the max towing capacity of the vehicle an its just not that relatable.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

At freeway speeds, aerodynamics makes far more difference than weight. A big 12' tall, 8.5' wide box trailer with no front curve that only weighs 4000 lbs would be worse for 70 MPH efficiency than a 7.5' wide flatbed trailer with 10,000 pounds of concrete blocks stacked low enough that it's below the "waistline" of the towing vehicle. While it would be a *LOT* of work to test, I would like to see a matrix of towing tests: * 70 MPH highway (Or maybe only 65? Many localities have that as the absolute maximum speed a towing vehicle can legally do. Or even lower.) * Back roads averaging 45 MPH, with 60 MPH maximum for short stretches. With each of the following: * Small open-top trailer with low-slung cargo weighing 3000 lbs. (could be a small boat, a couple jet-skis, a flatbed with a couple motorcycles, a U-haul style low cargo trailer or the like.) * Mid-size teardrop camping trailer weighing ~4000-5000 lbs * Large box trailer weighing ~9000 lbs (either cargo or travel trailer.) * Flatbed with low-slung cargo totaling the maximum tow capacity of the vehicle. (where aero doesn't matter.) For some smaller vehicles, this might be just an empty trailer. Obviously not all vehicles could do all of the tests. Most vehicles with any tow capacity can do 3000 lbs, many can do 5000 lbs, most trucks/large SUVs can do at least 9000 lbs, so that sets a good "common 'high weight' trailer", then something where aero doesn't matter at the vehicle's absolute max, even if the max is only 3000 lbs.

[@MdRDan]

Speedometers read low for liability reasons. Also, less a reason today with computer systems, but allows for slight errors in instruments.

[@cyco1978]

I ranged tested my My QM with 21’s in “all-purpose mode”. I got 275 @ 70MPH (average speed was 67MPH) 8% left, 26 miles to 0%. Idk what’s up with these “Max Pack” but this is shameful.

[@BillyONeal]

19:00 im guessing they err towards lower speed to make sure people aren't getting tickets due to tolerances in the measurement devices. If it's anything like my ioniq 5 anyway OBD2 will show you something like 69.4 for 70 indicated. Plus it lets them get a teensy bit more range 😊

[@RTSwiz]

I want a rivian so bad.

[@speedracer9132]

I know you say there not much difference between gen 2, but after seeing the race on the track by that professional driver, the gen2 looked like it had way better cooling which seemed like one of the biggest issues in your “race” video between the EVs

[@TheMazi56]

You guys are friends with the Martian Wheels guy. Why don’t you run the test with the 20’s he designed with 275/60/20 AS tires? The 21’s are not the most efficient setup. My R1T, quad large with 21’s lifetime mi/kwh is 2.31. My R1S quad, large is 7% more efficient on OEM 20 brights with 275/60/20 Pirelli tires runs a 2.47 mi/kwh.

[@TeslaSpaceX]

This is exactly 10 miles more than 2022 Model X that has 50kWh less battery that you guys tested a while back.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Aerodynamics are a bitch.

[@TeslaSpaceX]

@@AnonymousFreakYT and the weight

[@officialyasir]

Model X is a minivan with fancy doors. R1S is a real SUV.

[@TeslaSpaceX]

@@officialyasir yes, that's true

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@officialyasir yeah a real SUV that can actually seriously go offroad while the tesla is just a grocery getter and not a minivan at all! a minivan is significantly way more spacious and practical than even a pickup truck except offroad

[@darinbrazil5496]

The screen shows 138kwh used, Jordan should have driven till 142 and see if it really is 142 kwh usable. Seems like they should just use the kwh used meter rather than the percent or mile meter.

[@speedracer9132]

Didn’t show how fast it charges from 0?

[@jonnylieberman]

Because the ADAS is level 2, it shouldn't run on un-mapped highways. It should cancel itself in construction zones. It's not level 3 -- the liability in a crash is on the person behind the wheel.

[@Eric-xp1kl]

We get ~345-350 miles on PDM Max R1T but at 75-80 mph. 22” tires

[@left-coast-dad]

@Jordan what's the difference in curb weight between these two specific vehicles? Also, yes. The gen 2 Rivians have improved cameras, and even lay claim to having the most total megapixels of any vehicle, for whatever that is worth....

[@user-wq4dd6be3o]

Not to be that guy... it's 'a͟s͟ near as makes no difference' not 'near as makes no difference' 😅 so funny how you all adopted the phrase! If you want to sound fancy I'd suggest 'or near enough as makes no matter'

[@davidcottrell570]

@markmonroe7330 Actually Mark, insurance is very dependent on where you live. My insurance is now double what it was with a new EV compared to my old LR. Yes, some of the insurance companies are struggling with inflated claims for repairs, but I’m fortunate where I live, and have a good no claims. As for depreciation, the Auto Trader app is showing asking prices close to new for Gen 1 Rivians here, so no luck yet - and they’re popular in my neighbourhood, despite the price. I think the depreciation issue has more to do with a flood of vehicles coming off lease. Don’t think you’ll see that for a while since Rivian only started offering leases in a handful of states.

[@terencestephenson4727]

Good job Jordan

[@jeffs6090]

I'm calling it Came N Went from now on.

[@oadams001]

Hello, just did a demo drive the other day here in Texas. I notice a loud noise, which they was the compressor which was do to it placement. Have you noticed this in any of your testing with the gen1 vs gen2

[@Wasabi9111]

For the ultimate isolation hwy cruiser, how would you rank the eqs suv, ev9, r1s and model x? On the race to Vegas video, the Tesla seemed extremely loud inside.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Shouldn't be much different from the Gen 2, only minor changes in the dual max. It's the other battery and motor configurations that had major updates.

[@Simple-Brian]

Thanks for these tests. Gen 2 LFP Cold weather test please.

[@reggiebuffat]

In July?

[@wonyakomenuras1247]

First time I’ve heard Jordan say “folks” x6. Must have been watching some Car Care Nut KZbin videos recently, folks!

[@a.pwhiteside5872]

So glad I canceled my R1S preorder before I got screwed by the downgrade Max battery.

[@Rockfair.]

It is a Rivian a ground-up EV so it is a more valuable, you know innovative new modern version of a Car, not to say they should be crazy expensive

[@user-wf6cn6zv1j]

341 miles at 70mph is terrible efficiency. Max pack plus only dual motors?

[@xbluetc]

Love your videos! great test. I'm surprised you were so calm about it taking it to 0% LOL this just happened to me in my R1S standard pack. I had a warning at 20% saying battery fault and it dropped to 0 in the next 10 minutes driving at 60 with ac off... Rivian said it had to be towed... I made a video and blogged the trip from Chicago to Orlando in the Standard pack if anyone wants to check it out in my channel. Also, has anyone heard any more rumors about the standard pack having the ability to software unlock the "plus"?

[@AdamFrugoli]

Not perfect vision? Sounds like a terrific driver….😊

[@EverGone03]

man really hope R2 will get 4-5 miles / kWh.

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Thanks Jordan, excellent video. Rivian is my absolute favorite EV out there. I really want one

[@barryredman2803]

Does it take so long to charge that you have sufficient time to produce a video?

[@DaveSoCal]

“Maxine” ?

[@BryanDoesCinema]

Rivian is a cash cow, there isn’t as much money out there as people think. I think 55-60 is what gives you correct mileage. .

[@brandenflasch]

Can’t say I’m that impressed unfortunately

[@hlothr]

It’s plenty of range, it’s just a poorly named battery pack and a boxy suv. I wouldn’t trade the Rivian styling for the styling of the Model X even though the Tesla is more efficient and for the battery, they should’ve just called it the large pack plus and then came out with a 180 kWh max pack.

[@PraxicThorn]

Mercedes and BMW are not doing well with EVs. They gotta step it up. Tesla, Rivian, Porsche are the kings

[@TheNelsonsGo]

Their inability to match Kia in auto pilot driving is crazy disappointing. Love Rivian...but driving my Niro is much more enjoyable due to auto pilot features even though I'd prefer a Rivian.

[@Ongnoiputin02]

100k for this car ? No way 🙈

[@MrGMawson2438]

I'm back just had my tea

[@erezamit7289]

Why did you use all purpose and not conserve?

[@topjds1492]

There is no conserve in the dual motor! That was a feature of the drive systems used on the quad motor, and was removed when the changed drive systems to the dual motors

[@erezamit7289]

@@topjds1492 oh you’re right! Totally forgot about that….

[@GMan5451]

I live their videos but I noticed they never tell what it would cost to charge the vehicle. That makes a difference in buying a gas car or an EV. If it's close I'd go with the gas car.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers

[@Slebonson]

BMW is off 2mph.

[@IrenESorius]

👍‍‍🌟🌟👍‍‍

[@Snerdles]

Isn't the DM Max Pack 21" tire version supposed to get 400 miles? 346 is about 86% of the claim which is decent but still way off what is advertised... And then going 10-80 on any road trip means you lose 30% of your range so that means you only actually get 242 miles per leg of trip, which is at least 3 hours of driving at 70. That's still 40 minutes waiting every 3 hours.

[@Rx100Vx]

EPA range is both highway and street driving combined . This is highway range test so at constant higher speed.

[@Snerdles]

@@Rx100Vx and that's the problem. Who cares if it can go 400 miles in the city. They should be required to list actual miles on the highway. Skoda in the EU/UK have a great tool on their vehicles sales page that you can pick the season, number of passengers, and driving you will be doing and it will estimate the range you will get in their models. Honesty is very rare in advertising, but all manufacturers should have similar tools.

[@Rx100Vx]

@@Snerdles I don’t know , probably there could be such standard introduced but I’m sure not everyone drives on highway everyday or for everyday use . EPA range is always only a reference point . Driving style , elevation gain or loss , wind speed all play a role.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

EPA estimates aren't based on continuous 70 MPH. Carmakers literally cannot advertise 70 MPH continuous range. They MUST advertise only the "city/highway/mixed" numbers. And "highway" isn't "interstate freeway". The EPA highway test is measured over 10.26 miles, starting at 0 MPH, accelerating (slowly) up to 35 MPH (over 30 seconds! Ridiculously slow acceleration!) then up to 50 MPH, varying between 40 MPH and 50 MPH for 5 minutes, then up to only 60 MPH for 5 minutes, then decelerating down to a stop over the last 30 seconds.

[@Snerdles]

@@AnonymousFreakYT Yes, I know. That's my entire point. Advertising make it look like you can go that far when you never can, and realistically you can only use 70% of the actual range figure for any leg of your trip. It's incredibly misleading.

[@jpmackin]

Who drives at 70……😑

[@radgeh5924]

Save yourself some time and make it more realistic and do the 10% over rule. So if the speed limit is 70 do 77.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Hello guys the Germans are using Xpeng 😂

[@ericn3221]

Speaking of headrests. Which manufacturer has the worst? For me it's Tesla.

[@shawnconti8915]

Rivian/Apple - Tesla/Android

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Which phone brand has a closed ecosystem? Which EV brand?

[@glennmoss1681]

@@AnonymousFreakYT Rivian has the only closed ecosystem. Tesla charging is open to others now

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@glennmoss1681 Rivian uses the industry standard (although it will shortly be replaced, that hasn’t happened yet,) and has said their charge network will be open to all later this year. And when it does, ALL RAN will be open to ALL EVs. Right now, only _some_ brands (Ford & Rivian) can access _some_ Superchargers (V3,) with a few other (Magic Dock) open to all. With zero plans to make all Superchargers open to all. V2 and Urban will remain Tesla only as long as they exist.

[@leviandhiro3596]

No avg consumer is going to watch these videos nor do they care about charging inconveniences or specs they car only about will it work when I plug it.

[@JD-yx7be]

This is an enthusiast channel

[@paulkaiser8834]

Why are you testing gen 1? Smells like content filler.

[@nvptx]

lol, Rivian, doesn't even have a stable FSD. and relies on Tesla SC

[@MrGMawson2438]

Why VW is giving US EV maker Rivian $5 Billion dollars The Electric Viking