I Charge On A Version 4 Tesla Supercharger For The First Time! Full Tour Of New Post & V3 Chargers

[@brandenflasch]

They intend the cable to be centered, not stall centered

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Basic rule. If your vehicle charge port is in front of you, nose first. If your port is behind you, reverse in.

[@loganrossignol]

Yup, this is what I was going to say. Looks like the cable is roughly centered on the spot, which makes a lot of sense.

[@anthonyc8499]

Any chance you might be lobbying your boss to snag a bank of white labeled V4s?

[@MrDgt66]

makes sense

[@bruceleach2543]

Came here to say the same thing

[@murphychris314]

Where the cable is attached to the dispenser appears fairly centred.

[@kelindrawn]

Yep, exactly

[@HenryLoenwind]

No, the attachment point isn't centred, either. What is centred is the pivot point, which is slightly offset because the attachment point is recessed and has to go around the dispenser body when the cable is running off to the right side.

[@nielsvandenkieboom5034]

''Somewhere just south of Amsterdam''. Is actually in Best, near Eindhoven which is halfway across the country by Dutch standards. Just goes to show you how much distance perception can differ from country to country.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Greetings from London ("near" Wales)

[@nielsvandenkieboom5034]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Ah I have some relatives in Toronto, give them my regards!

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

He's from Colorado where it can be common to drive for an hour or more to get somewhere.

[@nielsvandenkieboom5034]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee I know, it’s just funny to point it out.

[@Phoen1x883]

I'm probably butchering this old quote, but Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, just as Americans think 100 years is a long time.

[@scottconso]

They are centered - on where the cable attachment begins - on the left edge of the dispenser. So that the cable can reach equidistant on either side of the vehicle

[@zmarko]

Hey Kyle, you probably know, but I just saw it the other day, Tesla is putting in a Supercharger Station in Alamosa, CO. It's a charging desert for the most part down here, so this will help pull some EV's into the area, and also help travelers with a better route to Durango, and locations in SW CO. It's still being constructed, and is slated to open in Q2 '24. But I'm hoping it'll open ahead of time.

[@anthonyc8499]

V3 dispensers?

[@jasonwidegren3211]

Fantastic! Yeah, that will make a huge difference for trips to SW Colorado. In 5 years, the only trip I’ve ever taken in my Model 3 where I had range anxiety was going from Denver to Cortez, Colorado.

[@dougborgo8071]

This opens up Western Colorado to Northern New Mexico (such as Santa Fe) with a much preferred route. I have wanted this for 6 years of Tesla ownership.

[@zmarko]

@anthonyc8499 I'm unsure as I was just passing by in traffic when I saw them. I couldn't see, but I'd be willing to bet they're V3 (do they even install V2 anymore?). Also not sure if they'll have the 'magic dock' or not, but my guess would be just NACS.

[@Shiftheads]

I'm glad they finally got them in Pueblo too

[@jimshalihugh2675]

Regarding dispenser’s off center location, it IS at a most accommodating spot. Because the top anchor of the cable is right at center of parking space so it can serve both right and left at equal distance!

[@kqschwarz]

No-one has content like this except maybe Bjørn Nyland. Incredible and thank you.

[@miles5600]

These nice parking lot are pretty standard here in the netherlands. Glad to see you finally visit my country and enjoy the best roads in the world!

[@bnkwupt]

lol "cablegate" like short cables are some kind of scandal. Glad you're enjoying your trip to Europe. Thanks for showing off this new V4 location.

[@anthonyc8499]

Cool to see the longer cable means the dispenser doesn't have to be exactly centered in the stall to still reach different charge ports. I'm really looking forward to seeing these new V4s with built in Magic Docks go-live in the USA and for Tesla to switch entirely away from V3s for new stations.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You don't centre the box, you centre the cable.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@rogerstarkey5390 there’s leeway now with the longer cable.

[@EGBaxter]

Cables look like they are hanging down in the middle of most stalls

[@johny1220]

I almost feel like it would be a waste to continue adding Magic Docks when just about everyone is switching to NACS. I’d rather they future proof them than add obsolete charging ports. People with CCS ports could just get adapters instead.

[@Gaaaaav]

I've used x2 V4 units in my non-Tesla EV (Cupra Born) here in the UK and they've worked spot on!

[@mowcowbell]

Saw my first v4 supercharger in of all places, Prattville, AL.

[@jimparr5412]

Would have been interesting to hear the problems the others were having and how you helped them solve them

[@KevinJones-Peacefreak]

It looks like the off-center placement of the unit, makes the cable centered for equal reach to both sides of the space.

[@digitalawareness4282]

Got used to looking for the iconic Tesla chargers. Will have to get ready to look for the cemetery with these headstones…

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Each will have an inscription along the lines of "here lies the corpse of "

[@Lynyrd_Evnyrd]

Just in time for Halloween 🎃 🪦 🧛‍♂️

[@tiduszk]

That MacBook Pro placement is absolutely psychotic.

[@nthused]

Sitting here with great interest…but not because of the new chargers…but because (as I work with a lot of Civil Engineers) of the pavement they chose here. Wondering if the regulating authority is requiring pavement with less of a drainage impact. Pavers are pretty…but so expensive to install. Another great video! Thank you so much for your hard work!

[@dRadddd]

I’ve been noticing that in these European videos. Almost every location he has been to has had pavers (Porsche, the “perfect” facility, etc). I’ve loved seeing it and have wished we used pavers more here in the states. With the increase in poured concrete, maybe the cost differential is shifting?

[@omelborpon3159]

Perhaps the power cables are laid under the pavers. If the power cables need to be repaired or upgraded, then pavers are much cheaper and easier to take up and reuse, as opposed to having to break up and relay poured concrete.

[@atoomnet]

@@dRadddd pavers are pretty normal to the Netherlands, they are used almost everywhere where there are low car speeds.

[@joemartino6976]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a code requirement to allow for easier access/repair/upgrade to power lines.

[@marting1056]

i do not know the regulation in NL but in germany you get charged for the amount of rainwater your facility is pouring in the sewage system of the community. so by using pavers that will let the water sip through into the ground and keeping the excess water on heavy rain on the site (like here where it looks like the lowest points are around the trees with soil around) you will reduce the running costs of the site and fill up the groundwater. such a system is of course not allowed on a gas station with all the risk of spilling oil and gas. another bonus factor of e-mobility

[@tomdy69]

Awesome Kyle! 1000 volts and up to 1000 amps is pretty impressive.

[@mmanjin]

I would assume that the BP Pulse branded Tesla superchargers will all be V4 when BP starts rolling them out across the USA. It won't be long before Exxon and others jump on the Tesla supercharger bandwagon and follow BP's lead.

[@Jeddin]

They won’t because BP in the press release described them as 250 kw ie V3 cabinets still.

[@marklefler4007]

you do such great video, and I really appreciate you traveling often long distances to reach sites like this.

[@colinharvey1049]

Used the new v4s last month on the M4 at Reading (UK) services. Gridserve chargers right next to the Tesla are 20p/kWh more crazy situation.

[@ericwadebrown]

It's obvious why the dispenser is offset based on where the end of the cable mounts.

[@Kimbrough87]

I love the American Express flex 💪🏾 . I was waiting for that😅😅.

[@ThEvltwn]

The pallet looks like the same unit as the ones behind it, if you look at the visible part, the feet and rivets matches the ones already installed.

[@RDowson]

These are fine but other V4’s are being mounted at the side in the traditional location. Those cables mean a very tight stretch for cars such as BMW or VW, especially for RHD cars. It means you can’t get the door open to get back in the car after you plug in.

[@flowntn1989]

They are in the middle, the cable drop line is central to the bay

[@JacGoudsmit]

Interesting look at a charger in my home country. And not far from where I used to live too. But Best is VERY FAR outside Amsterdam, almost on the other side of the country 🙂 I wonder if they were planning to put in one more station but someone didn't make the slab big enough, and that's why one charger is still sitting there. The left side of each dispenser is lined up with the center of the parking spot because that's the side that the cable is hanging from, so the cable hangs at the center of the parking spot and can reach equally far on both sides of the vehicle. So the offset makes total sense to me.

[@Ghostanon404]

The bird house Cameras behind the sub-panels is funny!

[@3vlogs487]

The Springfield mall V3 supercharger in Virginia is the only V3 charger I’ve ever been power limited at. Battery was conditioned and at a low soc and I was getting 190kW. There was also a 20 min wait for the charger. Never did I think 20 superchargers wouldn’t be enough but I saw it firsthand. Worst part was a Rivian was trying to charge and needed two spots next to each other and nobody understood that.

[@wilfredocoquioco6828]

The hose is designed to go around the rounded bottom of the white cover, you have to move it out to use it, a good way to store the hose blending with the overall design of the Supercharger...

[@dirtfpv]

They're offset from the space such that the cable is in the center of the parking space. This is perfect because it means it can reach either side.

cable is attached to the left side, that's why the unit is shifted to the side to allow the cable attachment point to be almost in the center. why don't you see this 😅😂

[@SolveFixBuild]

Most sites are limited at the transformer. They usually size them at expected average utilization rather than peak to save cost. The GetGo by my house has 8 Tesla chargers but the transformer is 500 kVA.

[@pepstein]

Tesla could easily add more power with v3 cabinets by simply connecting fewer pedestals to each cabinet. For example, instead of 20 pedestals and 5 cabinets, they could do 21 pedestals with 7 cabinets, so each cabinet powers just 3 pedestals.

[@pepstein]

The dispensers appear to be offset just enough to put the static end of the cable right in the middle of the parking stall. This presumably makes them as ambidextrous as possible, meaning they reach ports equally well on both sides of the vehicle.

[@techunboxing8933]

V5

[@ronb4633]

I’m kind of bummed by the title, I thought Kyle of all people was fairly consistent about calling these kinds of superchargers, 3.5 as the backend hardware has not been upgraded, assuming it ever will be. 360 kW available for four chargers is crazy that’s only 90 kW per unit and to call that a version three solution. I really don’t understand why all the fanfare for Tesla chargers. Reliability is important but having probably 180kW at best available once these places get busy and maybe closer to 90kW is a joke. People will go to Ionity or Fastned.

[@graemeesmith]

In practice it's not that bad. Cars taper off peak charging speed pretty quickly, especially 3 and Y. Those taper down to 150 kw by 45-50%, often. As battery packs get bigger these V3 stations will effectively get worse as other cars are holder higher power for longer and running into site limits.

[@rkgsd]

I'm more impressed that the property is covered with pavers than I am with the chargers. Very expensive.

[@alexmontanus]

4d is not more centered. The parking space is a bit wider as per design guideline for a parking space on the far side of a row, atleast in the Netherlands.

[@simonthebroken9691]

Thank you Nokian!

[@xrotaryguy]

The higher amperage (and longer cable) means the cable conductors must be thicker.

[@Xmoo123]

If only I knew you would be visiting Best, I would have came and said hi! Tesla has most of their chargers at Van Der Valk hotels. These are not always located close to the highway. That is why the locations looks weird for you.

[@777Outrigger]

CCS chargers can be hard to use in the US, not so much because the plug is so big, but the cable is big and sometimes rigid. Is that true for European non-Tesla CCS cables as well?

[@CrumResearch]

Neat! Measure the cabinet size.

[@rickbrown1486]

There is a new V4 supercharger in Wilsonville, OR (1st in the US, I think). I have not checked it out yet since it’s about 35 miles from my house, but intend to when in the neighborhood. Not clear how our Models 3 and Y will respond to the V4.

[@rvboondocker2559]

The curbs are pre-fab sections. I'm not sure why they are still using the V3 cabinets - maybe just a short term thing until they roll out the V4 cabinets. It looks like all the posts are positioned the same to me.

[@777Outrigger]

Getting excited about chargers. We're all such nerds. 😁

[@willburk]

Thanks for the video. I really think you could have highlighted the 1000V x 1000A = ONE MEGAWATT of charging!!

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Exciting times! thx for bringing us this vid!

[@LampJustin]

I hope they finally fixed charging on 800V cars. Then I'll finally be able to charge my Ioniq 6 with acceptable speeds...

[@moepeed]

Where the cable leaves the dispenser seems closer to the center of the stall.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

I would say just using a the brand new V3 in Calgary, the charger placement is poor as you have to line up the passenger tires almost on the line in order for the short version 3 cable to reach, likely poor positioning of the lines.

[@lahipster3172]

Why did you not rent a Tesla from Hertz budget Avis 36 kilowatt-hour is expensive Santa nonica California is 11 cents a kilowatt-hour lol

[@BigBen621]

_ California is 11 cents a kilowatt-hour lol_ What's 11¢/kWh in California? Supercharger? Residential electricity? And where in California?

[@rafaelpaun1907]

As long as they don’t share power with the person next to you, that’s all I care about.

[@graemeesmith]

Power sharing across pairs of stalls hasn't been a thing on new Supercharger installs for *years*, luckily

[@jamesdoyle7645]

Look, I like his videos but he could shorten them up a bit. Talks too much, get to the point…..

[@coolbart66]

The cable connection on the dispenser is centered to the parking space, which makes sense so the cable can reach either side of the vehicle.

[@lordfluxington]

As an Australian, that charge port looks just right thanks very much. :)

[@CodyDavis91]

9:52

[@BillB33525]

Why don’t we see setup’s like this in US?

[@frank6708]

Funny, for Kyle this is just south of Amsterdam, while for the Dutch it is on the other side of the country.

[@Derpy1969]

What’s wrong with your arms?

[@nickfaber5400]

Welcome to our beautiful country ma man!

[@mjpk987]

Regards the power limit in V3 sites, we have a few single cabinet ones up here in Finland. And at times they have already gotten busy with all 4 stall occupied. End result can be only 80 instead of 250 kW, like I experience in Pello last summer with about 10% arrival and nice warmed up battery. When I arrived there was a fat e-Tron and Model S, and with me came a Model Y. So 80 kW it was, with bump up to 120 kW when one of the earlier arrivers left. No disaster but quite far from the advertised as well, especially since Tesla does not appear to be that transparent about this limitation (or I have missed their communication about it).

[@lucistnik]

4x80=320 kW, not that far from nameplate conversion capacity of 360 kW for a single cabinet...

[@roxter299roxter7]

I think they look better. Classy.

[@Gaffa3007]

The modules are shifted to the right, but the cable is basically located in the middle of each parking bay. I get the feeling that is what they were going for.

[@ezpoppy55]

Cable sounds like a compromise. Longer length will be heavier. Shorter are lighter. Can’t have bothered longer and lighter.

[@thewaygokid3135]

I would love to think of Silverado EV and it’s charging specs. Unfortunately it’s been delayed again and may (or may not) come to the market in 2025. We shall see what Tesla does by then. Every company will have the opportunity to move the charge port to make the reach. Not Tesla’s fault.

[@jagcat61]

I say BMW’s charge port is on the wrong side because having it on the driver’s side is obviously more convenient particularly in inclement weather.

[@LBYINCHINA]

9:00 if you look at where the cable start from the dispenser, then it's perfectly centered to the parking spot, there is no offset. It make sense coz you can reach left and right equally once you pull the cable out.

[@Bryantrent]

Pretty sure I just seen like 10 new V4 Tesla charging stations in the Lowes parking lot (3625 N Commerce Dr, East Point, GA 30344) in Atlanta. Across the street in the Target parking lot are the older chargers.

[@johnpoldo8817]

These V4 Dispensers are very attractive. A clean, simple, black & white appearance.

[@kevroll99]

The cable runs down under the front cover to partially protect it plus it just creates a nice place for it to be stored in alignment and always look good. Tesla is always making their products visually appealing all the while extremely functional that's what I and most people love about them! ⚡⚡🚗🚗

[@trippplefive]

Bro can stretch 5 minutes of content into a 2-hour video like a boss

[@jefferrrson1x]

lol fr

[@umeshyadavoffical]

It’s weird, you didn’t help the other drivers to charge their car😢

[@dfgriggs]

Cool. A new V4 site here in Columbia South Carolina (Forest Dr.) is almost finished, and I can't wait to try it out

[@scottjohnson630]

What voltage feeds the charger.and is it 3 phase

[@jbmcdoogle]

Don't you just love the brick paving? We (US) gets asphalt. 😢

[@aayotechnology]

But interesting they used a precast curb

[@SOLDOZER]

LOL the EV market is such a mess.

[@davidbaker9943]

Finally!

[@waltertoki1]

In a 5 min charge, you should add ~115 miles range. Has this been confirmed?

[@thomasj1148]

I’ve used V4s several times. Look better in real life, however it would have been great to have red LED lights around to mimick the V2/V3s at night.

[@cmdrbillpaxton4302]

That Europe ccs connector is atrocious. NACS is such a better design.

[@thomasj1148]

No three phase on NACS. What we have in Europe. But yes smaller would be better, however that ship has sailed for Europe.

[@dealerovski82]

why are they CCS when all manufactures agreed with the NAC?

[@thomasj1148]

In Europe we have CCS2. This includes type 2 which is designed to handle three phase AC charging. CCS1 in America does not have this. Btw, the legacy Tesla plug in Europe is a modified type 2 not NACS.

[@dylanmcruse]

At the end the cable hang up on the bottom looks like it could be an easy fix by adjusting the front fascia to include a 45 degree angle instead of the flat bottom.

[@robertnyahay7482]

I think they look fine.

[@NextGenEvs]

The cable is centered not the dispenser

[@georgesvak5332]

Thanks for the video Kyle for another great location. Somehow the EU locations look much better than US. Maybe they are located in scenic areas.

[@StephenByersJ]

Totally unrelated to charging, but - careful with the water bottles on the floor like that! I’ve had one roll UNDER the brake peddle and almost crashed because I couldn’t stop. One of the scariest and closest calls I’ve ever had driving.

[@theairstig9164]

Now think about a dachshund with separation anxiety doing the same thing. It happened

[@brendangreene9351]

In my county in michigan. There are 0 tesla supercharhers. I have the telsa chager installed to my house, so i really never have to use one. They are putting a v4 charger at a meijer close by! Pretty pumped to see how well it will do!

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

At 8:41 -- You can see it *is* in fact centered: They centered it at the cable origination point so that the cable can reach either side equally well. If the charger itself was centered, the cable wouldn't be able to reach the Tesla side as easily.

[@FoamyDave]

I travel with a cargo tray on the back of my Model Y so the V4 extra cable length will be much appreciated. Currently, V3 cables just barely make it and I have to back up and just kiss the bollard at that.

[@taiwoegun1288]

So hopefully this puts to rest all the nonsense everyone was referring to about cable length and fitment all around lol. It should’ve been obvious but it wasn’t. Also I think it looks fine. Very nostalgic in fact

[@SAVITAR-gt8vu]

Very nice and sleek design! Reminds me of a giant PS5 😂

[@dianewallace6064]

Dude is driving a BMW IX. (loaner from BMW?). I haven't been keeping up with Kyle on his European Vacation but this video caught my eye.

[@brandenflasch]

Wish there were labels on that covered piece of equipment!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

That would spoil all the speculation! (Sorry, "fun")

[@WarpedFlayme]

8:37 The dispensers look to be positioned so that the tethered end of the charging cable is in the center of the stall. That means that the cable will have equal reach on either side of the vehicle. If the dispenser was centered, the cable would reach farther one side than the other. This also has the side effect of preferring Tesla's charging port placement by making that the shortest distance from dispenser holster to charging port. Or maybe that's just where the old V3 dispensers were to reduce the amount of work in the site renovation? I don't think you mentioned if this was a new site or a refitted one.

[@HenryLoenwind]

No, this is not the V1-V3 position. Those sit on the line between the spots.

[@WarpedFlayme]

@@HenryLoenwind Ah, that makes sense. So probably more credence to the "equal length on both sides" theory.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"All chargers are equal, but some are more equal than others"? 😉

[@tylerf1674]

Thanks for this. Would love to see how it actually handles a vehicle above 400V

[@Crisbas45]

There’s a new V4 station going up not open yet in Paramus NJ. It’s not on any of my apps yet anything you want me to look at I’d be happy to stop in

[@chrisubels]

The output is centered, not the stall.

[@Yanquetino]

Nice to see v.4 accommodates different port locations. I suspect, nonetheless, that it will be many, many years before they are widespread on this side of the pond.