I Charge On A Version 4 Tesla Supercharger For The First Time! Full Tour Of New Post & V3 Chargers

Kyle is in Best, Netherlands checking out the new V4 Supercharger that was just installed and charges a BMW iX from Sixt there!
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[@trippplefive]

Bro can stretch 5 minutes of content into a 2-hour video like a boss

[@jefferrrson1x]

lol fr

[@brandenflasch]

They intend the cable to be centered, not stall centered

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Basic rule. If your vehicle charge port is in front of you, nose first. If your port is behind you, reverse in.

[@loganrossignol]

Yup, this is what I was going to say. Looks like the cable is roughly centered on the spot, which makes a lot of sense.

[@anthonyc8499]

Any chance you might be lobbying your boss to snag a bank of white labeled V4s?

[@MrDgt66]

makes sense

[@bruceleach2543]

Came here to say the same thing

[@murphychris314]

Where the cable is attached to the dispenser appears fairly centred.

[@kelindrawn]

Yep, exactly

[@HenryLoenwind]

No, the attachment point isn't centred, either. What is centred is the pivot point, which is slightly offset because the attachment point is recessed and has to go around the dispenser body when the cable is running off to the right side.

[@nielsvandenkieboom5034]

''Somewhere just south of Amsterdam''. Is actually in Best, near Eindhoven which is halfway across the country by Dutch standards. Just goes to show you how much distance perception can differ from country to country.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Greetings from London ("near" Wales)

[@nielsvandenkieboom5034]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Ah I have some relatives in Toronto, give them my regards!

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

He's from Colorado where it can be common to drive for an hour or more to get somewhere.

[@nielsvandenkieboom5034]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee I know, it’s just funny to point it out.

[@Phoen1x883]

I'm probably butchering this old quote, but Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, just as Americans think 100 years is a long time.

[@LBYINCHINA]

9:00 if you look at where the cable start from the dispenser, then it's perfectly centered to the parking spot, there is no offset. It make sense coz you can reach left and right equally once you pull the cable out.

[@scottconso]

They are centered - on where the cable attachment begins - on the left edge of the dispenser. So that the cable can reach equidistant on either side of the vehicle

[@zmarko]

Hey Kyle, you probably know, but I just saw it the other day, Tesla is putting in a Supercharger Station in Alamosa, CO. It's a charging desert for the most part down here, so this will help pull some EV's into the area, and also help travelers with a better route to Durango, and locations in SW CO. It's still being constructed, and is slated to open in Q2 '24. But I'm hoping it'll open ahead of time.

[@anthonyc8499]

V3 dispensers?

[@jasonwidegren3211]

Fantastic! Yeah, that will make a huge difference for trips to SW Colorado. In 5 years, the only trip I’ve ever taken in my Model 3 where I had range anxiety was going from Denver to Cortez, Colorado.

[@dougborgo8071]

This opens up Western Colorado to Northern New Mexico (such as Santa Fe) with a much preferred route. I have wanted this for 6 years of Tesla ownership.

[@zmarko]

@anthonyc8499 I'm unsure as I was just passing by in traffic when I saw them. I couldn't see, but I'd be willing to bet they're V3 (do they even install V2 anymore?). Also not sure if they'll have the 'magic dock' or not, but my guess would be just NACS.

[@Shiftheads]

I'm glad they finally got them in Pueblo too

[@kqschwarz]

No-one has content like this except maybe Bjørn Nyland. Incredible and thank you.

[@miles5600]

These nice parking lot are pretty standard here in the netherlands. Glad to see you finally visit my country and enjoy the best roads in the world!

[@bnkwupt]

lol "cablegate" like short cables are some kind of scandal. Glad you're enjoying your trip to Europe. Thanks for showing off this new V4 location.

[@jimshalihugh2675]

Regarding dispenser’s off center location, it IS at a most accommodating spot. Because the top anchor of the cable is right at center of parking space so it can serve both right and left at equal distance!

[@Gaaaaav]

I've used x2 V4 units in my non-Tesla EV (Cupra Born) here in the UK and they've worked spot on!

[@Gaffa3007]

The modules are shifted to the right, but the cable is basically located in the middle of each parking bay. I get the feeling that is what they were going for.

[@kevroll99]

The cable runs down under the front cover to partially protect it plus it just creates a nice place for it to be stored in alignment and always look good. Tesla is always making their products visually appealing all the while extremely functional that's what I and most people love about them! ⚡⚡🚗🚗

[@anthonyc8499]

Cool to see the longer cable means the dispenser doesn't have to be exactly centered in the stall to still reach different charge ports. I'm really looking forward to seeing these new V4s with built in Magic Docks go-live in the USA and for Tesla to switch entirely away from V3s for new stations.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You don't centre the box, you centre the cable.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@rogerstarkey5390 there’s leeway now with the longer cable.

[@EGBaxter]

Cables look like they are hanging down in the middle of most stalls

[@johny1220]

I almost feel like it would be a waste to continue adding Magic Docks when just about everyone is switching to NACS. I’d rather they future proof them than add obsolete charging ports. People with CCS ports could just get adapters instead.

[@KevinJones-Peacefreak]

It looks like the off-center placement of the unit, makes the cable centered for equal reach to both sides of the space.

[@pepstein]

The dispensers appear to be offset just enough to put the static end of the cable right in the middle of the parking stall. This presumably makes them as ambidextrous as possible, meaning they reach ports equally well on both sides of the vehicle.

[@mowcowbell]

Saw my first v4 supercharger in of all places, Prattville, AL.

[@tomdy69]

Awesome Kyle! 1000 volts and up to 1000 amps is pretty impressive.

[@coolbart66]

The cable connection on the dispenser is centered to the parking space, which makes sense so the cable can reach either side of the vehicle.

[@thomasj1148]

I’ve used V4s several times. Look better in real life, however it would have been great to have red LED lights around to mimick the V2/V3s at night.

[@marklefler4007]

you do such great video, and I really appreciate you traveling often long distances to reach sites like this.

[@nthused]

Sitting here with great interest…but not because of the new chargers…but because (as I work with a lot of Civil Engineers) of the pavement they chose here. Wondering if the regulating authority is requiring pavement with less of a drainage impact. Pavers are pretty…but so expensive to install. Another great video! Thank you so much for your hard work!

[@dRadddd]

I’ve been noticing that in these European videos. Almost every location he has been to has had pavers (Porsche, the “perfect” facility, etc). I’ve loved seeing it and have wished we used pavers more here in the states. With the increase in poured concrete, maybe the cost differential is shifting?

[@omelborpon3159]

Perhaps the power cables are laid under the pavers. If the power cables need to be repaired or upgraded, then pavers are much cheaper and easier to take up and reuse, as opposed to having to break up and relay poured concrete.

[@atoomnet]

@@dRadddd pavers are pretty normal to the Netherlands, they are used almost everywhere where there are low car speeds.

[@joemartino6976]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a code requirement to allow for easier access/repair/upgrade to power lines.

[@marting1056]

i do not know the regulation in NL but in germany you get charged for the amount of rainwater your facility is pouring in the sewage system of the community. so by using pavers that will let the water sip through into the ground and keeping the excess water on heavy rain on the site (like here where it looks like the lowest points are around the trees with soil around) you will reduce the running costs of the site and fill up the groundwater. such a system is of course not allowed on a gas station with all the risk of spilling oil and gas. another bonus factor of e-mobility

[@digitalawareness4282]

Got used to looking for the iconic Tesla chargers. Will have to get ready to look for the cemetery with these headstones…

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Each will have an inscription along the lines of "here lies the corpse of "

[@Lynyrd_Evnyrd]

Just in time for Halloween 🎃 🪦 🧛‍♂️

[@jimparr5412]

Would have been interesting to hear the problems the others were having and how you helped them solve them

[@dfgriggs]

Cool. A new V4 site here in Columbia South Carolina (Forest Dr.) is almost finished, and I can't wait to try it out

[@colinharvey1049]

Used the new v4s last month on the M4 at Reading (UK) services. Gridserve chargers right next to the Tesla are 20p/kWh more crazy situation.

[@JacGoudsmit]

Interesting look at a charger in my home country. And not far from where I used to live too. But Best is VERY FAR outside Amsterdam, almost on the other side of the country 🙂 I wonder if they were planning to put in one more station but someone didn't make the slab big enough, and that's why one charger is still sitting there. The left side of each dispenser is lined up with the center of the parking spot because that's the side that the cable is hanging from, so the cable hangs at the center of the parking spot and can reach equally far on both sides of the vehicle. So the offset makes total sense to me.

[@lordfluxington]

As an Australian, that charge port looks just right thanks very much. :)

[@wilfredocoquioco6828]

The hose is designed to go around the rounded bottom of the white cover, you have to move it out to use it, a good way to store the hose blending with the overall design of the Supercharger...

[@johnpoldo8817]

These V4 Dispensers are very attractive. A clean, simple, black & white appearance.

[@dirtfpv]

They're offset from the space such that the cable is in the center of the parking space. This is perfect because it means it can reach either side.

[@dianewallace6064]

Dude is driving a BMW IX. (loaner from BMW?). I haven't been keeping up with Kyle on his European Vacation but this video caught my eye.

[@Bryantrent]

Pretty sure I just seen like 10 new V4 Tesla charging stations in the Lowes parking lot (3625 N Commerce Dr, East Point, GA 30344) in Atlanta. Across the street in the Target parking lot are the older chargers.

[@3vlogs487]

The Springfield mall V3 supercharger in Virginia is the only V3 charger I’ve ever been power limited at. Battery was conditioned and at a low soc and I was getting 190kW. There was also a 20 min wait for the charger. Never did I think 20 superchargers wouldn’t be enough but I saw it firsthand. Worst part was a Rivian was trying to charge and needed two spots next to each other and nobody understood that.

[@Kimbrough87]

I love the American Express flex 💪🏾 . I was waiting for that😅😅.

[@ThEvltwn]

The pallet looks like the same unit as the ones behind it, if you look at the visible part, the feet and rivets matches the ones already installed.

[@SolveFixBuild]

Most sites are limited at the transformer. They usually size them at expected average utilization rather than peak to save cost. The GetGo by my house has 8 Tesla chargers but the transformer is 500 kVA.

[@RDowson]

These are fine but other V4’s are being mounted at the side in the traditional location. Those cables mean a very tight stretch for cars such as BMW or VW, especially for RHD cars. It means you can’t get the door open to get back in the car after you plug in.

[@ericwadebrown]

It's obvious why the dispenser is offset based on where the end of the cable mounts.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Exciting times! thx for bringing us this vid!

[@georgesvak5332]

Thanks for the video Kyle for another great location. Somehow the EU locations look much better than US. Maybe they are located in scenic areas.

[@mmanjin]

I would assume that the BP Pulse branded Tesla superchargers will all be V4 when BP starts rolling them out across the USA. It won't be long before Exxon and others jump on the Tesla supercharger bandwagon and follow BP's lead.

[@Jeddin]

They won’t because BP in the press release described them as 250 kw ie V3 cabinets still.

[@brendangreene9351]

In my county in michigan. There are 0 tesla supercharhers. I have the telsa chager installed to my house, so i really never have to use one. They are putting a v4 charger at a meijer close by! Pretty pumped to see how well it will do!

[@dylanmcruse]

At the end the cable hang up on the bottom looks like it could be an easy fix by adjusting the front fascia to include a 45 degree angle instead of the flat bottom.

[@jagcat61]

I say BMW’s charge port is on the wrong side because having it on the driver’s side is obviously more convenient particularly in inclement weather.

[@willburk]

Thanks for the video. I really think you could have highlighted the 1000V x 1000A = ONE MEGAWATT of charging!!

[@tiduszk]

That MacBook Pro placement is absolutely psychotic.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

At 8:41 -- You can see it *is* in fact centered: They centered it at the cable origination point so that the cable can reach either side equally well. If the charger itself was centered, the cable wouldn't be able to reach the Tesla side as easily.

[@flowntn1989]

They are in the middle, the cable drop line is central to the bay

[@FoamyDave]

I travel with a cargo tray on the back of my Model Y so the V4 extra cable length will be much appreciated. Currently, V3 cables just barely make it and I have to back up and just kiss the bollard at that.

[@WarpedFlayme]

8:37 The dispensers look to be positioned so that the tethered end of the charging cable is in the center of the stall. That means that the cable will have equal reach on either side of the vehicle. If the dispenser was centered, the cable would reach farther one side than the other. This also has the side effect of preferring Tesla's charging port placement by making that the shortest distance from dispenser holster to charging port. Or maybe that's just where the old V3 dispensers were to reduce the amount of work in the site renovation? I don't think you mentioned if this was a new site or a refitted one.

[@HenryLoenwind]

No, this is not the V1-V3 position. Those sit on the line between the spots.

[@WarpedFlayme]

@@HenryLoenwind Ah, that makes sense. So probably more credence to the "equal length on both sides" theory.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"All chargers are equal, but some are more equal than others"? 😉

[@brandenflasch]

Wish there were labels on that covered piece of equipment!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

That would spoil all the speculation! (Sorry, "fun")

cable is attached to the left side, that's why the unit is shifted to the side to allow the cable attachment point to be almost in the center. why don't you see this 😅😂

[@simonthebroken9691]

Thank you Nokian!

[@Ghostanon404]

The bird house Cameras behind the sub-panels is funny!

[@robertnyahay7482]

I think they look fine.

[@Yanquetino]

Nice to see v.4 accommodates different port locations. I suspect, nonetheless, that it will be many, many years before they are widespread on this side of the pond.

[@taiwoegun1288]

So hopefully this puts to rest all the nonsense everyone was referring to about cable length and fitment all around lol. It should’ve been obvious but it wasn’t. Also I think it looks fine. Very nostalgic in fact

[@tylerf1674]

Thanks for this. Would love to see how it actually handles a vehicle above 400V

[@moepeed]

Where the cable leaves the dispenser seems closer to the center of the stall.

[@spelare2]

The design is great, typical tesla look!❤️

[@Xmoo123]

If only I knew you would be visiting Best, I would have came and said hi! Tesla has most of their chargers at Van Der Valk hotels. These are not always located close to the highway. That is why the locations looks weird for you.

[@nickfaber5400]

Welcome to our beautiful country ma man!

[@SergiyFromSeattle-sv5lr]

Kyle, what is the max current Model Y can handle? Any chance Tesla will bump 250 KW a bit with the higher amperage in V4?

[@SAVITAR-gt8vu]

Very nice and sleek design! Reminds me of a giant PS5 😂

[@Crisbas45]

There’s a new V4 station going up not open yet in Paramus NJ. It’s not on any of my apps yet anything you want me to look at I’d be happy to stop in

[@simplygregsterev]

I love how much of the European supercharger network is open. If only North American figured out the charging standard years ago… oh what could have been. These chargers are very visually pleasing and so is that cable. I used a Kempower charger last week and the cable was over 100lbs and as thick as my arm.

[@LionheartLivin]

I am confident we are only 3-5 years behind;)

[@ricarmig]

Europe is not so far ahead: 1) the connector is the same BUT between countries, non-Tesla chargers mandate that you make an account, add cards etc PER company. So in one country you may need several apps or cards 2) most countries have shared low power charging stations (in the summer vacations it’s a h.ll) and outside highways, very few charging points

[@richardjohnson8009]

20:47 that moment when you realize youve entered electric hunger games 30 minutes for me 30 minutes for you 30 minutes for the next one that last guy is getting really shafted lol

[@777Outrigger]

Getting excited about chargers. We're all such nerds. 😁

[@NextGenEvs]

The cable is centered not the dispenser

[@StephenByersJ]

Totally unrelated to charging, but - careful with the water bottles on the floor like that! I’ve had one roll UNDER the brake peddle and almost crashed because I couldn’t stop. One of the scariest and closest calls I’ve ever had driving.

[@theairstig9164]

Now think about a dachshund with separation anxiety doing the same thing. It happened

[@StayConnectedEV]

Glad the paid ad was disclosed this time.. Good job Kyle.

[@earthzero7]

Sorry... I think these monolithic V4 dispensers look way cooler and are more aesthetically pleasing than the old ones. Not only that but what they potentially present is also a beautiful thing. Can't wait for widespread deployment of them with NACS and/or the magic docs here in the States.

[@simonpaine2347]

I'm still amazed and disappointed that they're still not putting roofs on these places! Or at least put in provisions for posts to enable retrofit roofs. Most countries weather is getting wetter and more inclement and yet we are expected to get out of our cars in pouring rain and grab a cable with potentially mega kilowatts running through it and plug it into my car. Walk a couple of hundred metres to get a coffee. Wait 30 minutes, giving just enough time to dry off, so that i can go out and do the same thing again!

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Patience it’s brand new form of responses or renewable transportation I’m positive a solar roof ta follow . Would be interesting to see what’s n dat door … enough room for a Tesla drive in restaurant???-6 months away

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Next door

[@simonpaine2347]

@@sparkysho-ze7nm I understand being patient, but try and find me a gas station built in the last 15 years that doesn't have a roof. Also think about the additional cost of retrofitting a roof! Short sighted, with zero consideration for the customer.

[@georgepelton5645]

The couple hundred meter walk to get a coffee is a very nice feature, not a bug. While not fun in heavy rain, it is super helpful on road trips to take that short walk between 2-3 hour stints of sitting in the car. Gets your blood moving and brain working. At the end of the day you arrive more rested.

[@simonpaine2347]

@@georgepelton5645 I'm all for a good walk, but not in the wind and rain! A roof and a covered walkway shouldn't be too much to ask for! Have you seen how much profit there is in selling electricity?

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Very good most interesting video I’ve seen in months

[@sebastic]

Cool I was here few days ago. Its also right next to a tesla service / sales location

[@pepstein]

Tesla could easily add more power with v3 cabinets by simply connecting fewer pedestals to each cabinet. For example, instead of 20 pedestals and 5 cabinets, they could do 21 pedestals with 7 cabinets, so each cabinet powers just 3 pedestals.

[@tedmoss]

If two cabinets can do 500 Volts, with proper equipment, you can series them to together for 1000 Volts.

[@newscoulomb3705]

4:59 I think the bigger issue isn't necessarily going to come from the peak power, but rather the average power draw over a typical session. Tesla is still one of the only automakers that uses the extremely high C rate charging at low SOC with a steep taper, which matches well with this power distribution strategy. E-GMP cars, however, have a 50% higher average power draw to 80% than the Model 3/Y despite rarely if ever seeing the 250+ draws. But because the charging profile is flatter for E-GMP and other non-Tesla EVs, they will still be trying to pull well over the 90 kW distribution per post (at full occupancy) 15, 20, or even 30 minutes into a typical charging session. That will, of course, lead to additional queueing at these sites on busy days.

[@lovswr]

Yes! I would wager that if 20 non Tesla's showed up at this site, there would be problems. The load sharing scheme is optimized for Tesla's. As you postulate, what if more than 4 BEV's (like that BMW) which have relatively flat charging curves all try to draw max power at once? I am in no way suggesting that any Tesla site would fall to the charging experience at some EA charging sites, but I think that owners of non Tesla's should not expect the same experience, in all cases, that Tesla owners now enjoy.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@lovswr As Kyle noted, one of the things I'm also starting to pay more attention to is overall site throughput. With 100% of the chargers up (yes, a big ask for some providers), I think we need to be looking for a minimum of 1 MW of throughput for most basic sites, but the larger travel sites will need to have as much as 4 MW. Put another way, the V3 sites were designed with an average 90 kW charging rate broken across all stalls. For future EVs and charging sites, I think we need to look to double that. Essentially, charging providers need to employ a site power, distribution, and throughput strategy that's designed to support an average 180 kW charging rate broken across all stalls.

[@anthonyc8499]

If Tesla owners now are spending 30-40 mins to get to 80%, why would non-Teslas charging for 30+ minutes affect queues?

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@anthonyc8499 Not all Tesla owners will. Many rely on Tesla Nav, and they'll only charge as long as they need to get to the next stop, which is often only 10 to 15 minutes to add 40% to 50% battery. The problem is, that not only will site traffic increase overall after opening to non-Teslas, the higher average power draw will reduce the charging speed for everyone across the site. So those Tesla owners I mentioned earlier that might normally only be at the site for 10 to 15 minutes, might now be at the site for 20 to 30 minutes. You are right that, once a site is full and queued, it won't make much of a difference. My point is that the site will fill up faster and start queueing much earlier (and for much longer) on busy days due to the higher average charging rates.

[@ezpoppy55]

Cable sounds like a compromise. Longer length will be heavier. Shorter are lighter. Can’t have bothered longer and lighter.

[@sciencetestsubject]

No matter if it works or not, this will always be the Best supercharger location.

[@robindamen2201]

Good one 😂

[@pumpuppthevolume]

it is the wrong side as Bjorn says .......because in a garage that is not super wide u park so that there is more space on the driver side and plugging in on the driver side is more conviniant and closer to u when u get out

[@roxter299roxter7]

I think they look better. Classy.

[@tmo9466]

I don't think the cable catching at the bottom is an issue. Who pulls the cable off and immediately pulls it away laterally, instead of take it to their car? lol cool to see so many v4 coming online though!

[@johannesjuergens7776]

Hey Kyle there is also already one operational in Graz, Austria 🇦🇹 🙂👋🏻

[@brandenflasch]

Hope they replace or retrofit the V3 cabinets to support 1000V

[@MXALOVE]

I think they may replace them all together, hopefully recycling to make more V4s

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Last job on the list.

[@p5k6]

I wonder if they could keep some v3 cabinets in place but not directly linked to a dispenser to provide the extra power Kyle talked about; hook up new v4 cabinets to the dispensers, old cabinets provide extra dc bus capacity

[@brandenflasch]

@@p5k6 I’ve speculated this for a while

[@rvboondocker2559]

The curbs are pre-fab sections. I'm not sure why they are still using the V3 cabinets - maybe just a short term thing until they roll out the V4 cabinets. It looks like all the posts are positioned the same to me.

[@rickbrown1486]

There is a new V4 supercharger in Wilsonville, OR (1st in the US, I think). I have not checked it out yet since it’s about 35 miles from my house, but intend to when in the neighborhood. Not clear how our Models 3 and Y will respond to the V4.

[@liuwang2201]

WOW that's 100% VAXED

[@alexmontanus]

4d is not more centered. The parking space is a bit wider as per design guideline for a parking space on the far side of a row, atleast in the Netherlands.

[@chrisubels]

The output is centered, not the stall.

[@Ivdde]

This man is so lucky

[@rkgsd]

I'm more impressed that the property is covered with pavers than I am with the chargers. Very expensive.

[@philhyde983]

Kyle what kind of hoodies do you wear? They look so great and comfortable!

[@delenius1]

Do you think these can do 1000V and 1000A at the same time, I.e. 1MW? 😮 Also, it looks like the cable could drag on the ground when you walk right next to the cabinet.

[@Jeddin]

You missed his whole explanation while at the cabinets that they are still connected to 500 volt V3 cabinets.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

The dispenser could, if it was equipped with the correct cable. The cable currently attached is limited to 625A.

[@georgepelton5645]

No battery can accept max current at its max voltage, so the chargers ability to do it or not doesn't matter.

[@drockjr]

Do Nokian at least give you a set of rubber? Even if you don't need it? They should. Love your stuff

[@Harrythehun]

Maybe Kyle get Nokian rubber boots? Quite nice boots actually.

[@Harrythehun]

@@drockjr The Connor family members are smart and they can most certainly take care of their businesses.

[@drockjr]

@@Harrythehun ok ? I just enjoy this dudes content. F off

[@drockjr]

@@Harrythehun you're right. He doesn't need viewers. I unsubscribed for you. Better?

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Tesla charges are just junction boxes, not full of delicate electronics. The power electronics are keep safely in industrial enclosures, not crammed into the charging stall.

[@xrotaryguy]

The higher amperage (and longer cable) means the cable conductors must be thicker.

[@Mobile_Dom]

interesting, i much prefer the aesthetics of the V4 dispensers to the V3, they felt their age, which is coming up toa decade