Power vs Agility / Which Logging Tractor is Best?- Ep35- Outsider Log Cabin

My dad and I have been on a journey to build our own log cabin. This series of videos is a 'behind-the-scenes' look of our bigger "Log Cabin on a Budget" series.
Over the years, I've logged with a collection of tractors. Some were big and powerful, others were compact and agile, and the rest fell somewhere in between. In this episode, I share my experience and opinions on what makes an ideal logging tractor, particularly in dense forests.
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[@bashkillszombies]

Find an old mangled car hood, make yourself a skid for those logs and rocks, and watch your performance quadruple. If you put a skid under any of the things you struggled to pull they'd fly.

[@thomvogan3397]

I was thinking the same thing watching them overwork these old tractors over terrain they were never meant for,. They were built to plant and harvest crops on level fields. If I was primarily logging I'd get a cat or something similar and even then I would still use a skid

[@russianacorns8080]

Thom Vogan I wouldn’t say that they were made only to row crop, wide front tractors and industrial tractors were meant for the odd jobs and utility work primarily, except for the fords and Ferguson’s which pretty much never had narrow fronts, I’m telling ya I grew up on a farm next to other farms and the old sods that worked the land didn’t care what the manufacturers made them to do they used the hell out of em no matter what it was I saw a fancy new John Deere with a round baler get pulled out of deep mud by a 2n ford and a steel wheel McCormick-Deering 10-20! I’m sure the mfg never intended that to happen!

[@ogreunderbridge5204]

The MF 35 and MF 135 both has an add-on kit of halftrack chainbased belts coined for forest work. Worth looking into especially when dealing with marsh, mud and other stuff to sink into. The system is hydraulically operated, giving an option to lift the frontwheels off ground, that comes handy also in occupied terrains. Nice machine for forestry anyway, there's no stuff to break with accidental branches :)

[@justtinkering6054]

The Case had you sitting up high to see the crops it was meant to cultivate, which was great for rowcropping, but not for forest work. The IH had the operator sitting on the back so that you could access implements while rowcropping. The Massey, with 3 point, doesn't need to hang you off the back to work your equipment so it puts you in a better position for driving. Them old Masseys are tough to beat for all around work. Lots of old farmers I know still work Masseys similar to yours. Powereful, dependable, and very stable.

[@demerielewis3589]

Just Tinkering I use a 1971 Massey 135 and it dose almost anything I need it to. Bush hogging trails, fields, tipping up the hunting property it’s a great tractor

[@chrish3720]

Yes sir, as I watched this video I was thinking a MF 230. I have skided logs, plowed my gardens, used it to swap the engine in my truck with a boom pole on the three piont hitch. Moved dirt with a box blade. Hauled dirt with a scoop on the 3 piont. Pulled stumps out of the ground. Bush hogged everywhere. And other things I can't remember. The 230 is almost the same tractor as yours except for power steering. Great tractor for a wooded area. You are a lucky guy to have such a fine helper. Mine has become part of the family.

[@arminlonic7915]

I have IMT 539, Yugo version of MF 35. They are regarded as the best tractors ever built.

[@eoinreilly083]

I have a John Deere 6090r 2009 I’m from ireland btw

[@quackmeister69]

@@arminlonic7915 i have the imt 542, it has the same engine as the imt 539 but i think it revs higher

[@hoopaholic134]

Its always a good feeling when you get your tools dialed in for the job at hand! Keep it up!

[@BulletproofPastor]

I enjoy following your progress. The Massey 35 is a great tractor. I have the 2135 industrial version with gasoline engine and power steering. You will find the differential lock a very useful tool when the tires start to paddle-wheel. I think your 35 will live up to all your expectations as it's truly a great tractor.

[@NYSDEC12345]

The MF35 is in production again for the African ag market. The fact that a 50s design is still relevant for current production indicates the superiority of this tractor as a utility tractor.

[@merca201]

I have MF 35 (1958) he is soo good

[@6ssam996]

Merca my dad is having one that i can get over a half year but it didn’t run in 15+ years

[@6ssam996]

i also got 2 ford dexta that i need to get running

[@quackmeister69]

most folks in the balkans have imt 539, which is like the mf 35 but with 4 more horsepower, almost everybody has them, my family owns an imt 542 its been running for 28k kilometers and never had an oil change, still starts up with no hesitation!

[@Batzajla_99]

@@quackmeister69 I ja imam imt 560 i nikada ne postoji.

[@Timr45_70]

Thanks for your opinion, i am considering buying a small tractor for my hunting property, and you just helped me narrow my search. Growing up on a farm i have used many tractors but what i need at my property isn't your typical farm tractor.

[@russianacorns8080]

Every time I run out of stuff to watch I always come rewatch this video, this is probably my 15th or 16th time I love this video so much

[@lipinskirl]

I was going to say "Get a Ford 8N" but then saw you got a Massey which virtually is the same tractor, Great pick!

[@bobordewald1367]

The 2n, 8n and 9n are virtually t he same size as the Ferguson but that is all. The Ferguson came with a better, more powerful engine and a 4 speed trans vs a 3 speed in the Fords. Back in the day the 'N' series tractors were wonderful until a farmer tried the Ferguson and after that test drive he owned a Ferguson!

[@wboquist]

I had a similar idea, but I was thinking Ford 841, maybe with power steering and a Sherman transmission.

[@B1gSm3lly]

The 8n is a massey clone so yea pretty much exactly the same

[@suzukizrracing]

And i belive the 8n dosent have low speed atleast the ferguson te20 dosent have it with the 8n is builded From ( or the 8n was buldied with ferguson back in i belive in the 30 or 40s) ford and ferguson did have a coop with eath other

[@dwohio6398]

Masterful editing job, and very well narrated. Other presenters could learn something from your work.

[@RKS723]

I used to use a Fiat 550 back in the day (1980s) and we pulled 20+ tonnes of logs out per day including edge row logs with butts four and a half feet in diameter (the bigger logs cut in lengths before dragging). Usually the logs were 1 to 4 feet in diameter. Two things our tractor had that was not seen here: heavy hubs on front and rear and weights along the front. Of course the tyres were filled with water as well. Second thing I note was the driving technique. We used steering brakes to turn, especially dragging heavy logs up hill. The tractor would be up on the rear wheels and the driver would steer with the brakes alone. The tractor can turn in its own length with the steering brakes (separate left and right brakes). You can more or less stop one wheel which stays put and the tractor will pirouette around it. We'd never bother steering around tight spots in the bush as is seen in the video. The 550 using steering brakes had a far tighter turning circle than just steering the Massey Ferguson 35 a friend of mine had. Of course you can't use steering brakes after you've engaged the diff lock and for the most part the tractor went straight ahead regardless of how tight you turned the wheel, so you had to make sure it was pointing in the right direction before engaging it. Obviously you couldn't do that with four wheel drive. We had heavy chains and three point linkage with a bar or tray (depending on the job). As for power, in first gear low range the 550 could practically climb a tree, or so we used to tell people ha ha :)

[@wandahaseley6439]

Love, Love all your vids. I really miss not seeing you much these days. Thank You so much for posting. I am waiting, hoping your next video will be an update on your cabin!! Blessings!!

[@TBoneNMC]

Have you looked at any MF 135 tractors? They are about the same size as the 35, but with 47 HP. You can also get these tractors with power steering so a loader will probably not be any problem at all. The 135 are can also turn extremely sharp like the 35😉

[@alexlechef2]

Mf 135... thats a beauty

[@redneckninc.7310]

I believe that the 135 is a later version of the 35

[@conorcrowley989]

Mr. Peytonimous 35 was replaced by the 35x which had 45 horse power the 35x was replaced by the 135 with 47

[@jort4536]

Fordson dexta has same engine as mf 135

[@conorcrowley989]

@@jort4536 massey ferguson 135 has 45hp dexta has 32 hp you mean the super dexta has the same power as the 135

[@practicallyIndependent]

Excellent Video my friend! As always.

[@dwaynegustafson2248]

Dillons Woodworks In

[@DougHanchard]

I got some popcorn and read all the comments. Almost as entertaining as the video. Horsepower and Torque are important technical reference points that need to be applied to make operating parameter decisions. More of anything is not always relevant. And just because the tractor was primarily intended for a specific function (agriculture farming), should not imply these tractors cannot be repurposed if reasonable expectations are acknowledged and accepted. Horsepower and Torque are indeed the lifeblood of any rig. But one has to remember at what operating range the tractor is its intended use for 75% of the time. If a tractor is intended to run between 900 and 1,200 rpm, the gearing, stroke length of the connecting rods are critical. 13 HP may not seem like a lot, but if the displacement of the engine is large (most are compared to their gasoline cousins) and have long connecting rods, the amount of Torque it is capable of producing at low engine rpm is impressive. This allows a low gear transmission ratio to be very effective up to its optimal limit. Applying more RPM will not produce a significant increase in Torque. In general terms, gasoline fueled engines do not make good low RPM Torque compared to diesels because of the amount of piston dwell at TDC is not long on the power stroke. This is why diesel engines which naturally have high compression piston ratios, combined with long connecting rods generate superior torque lower rpm. I grin when commentators mention lawn tractors have more horsepower than the 13 HP Case. The tiny 450 to 550CC V-Twins are available up to 27 - 28 HP @ 3,600 rpm. But they make a tiny fraction of the torque the Case does at 600 to 1,200 rpm. Try running any residential lawn tractor or even professional grade lawn tractors at 900 rpm and see how much weight it can pull. On top of that, the fuel burn @ 3,600 is easily 4 to 5 gph and still can't drag 500 to 1,000 lbs because there's no transmission reduction gear that can handle 3,600 rpm except hydrostatic / hydraulic which cannot produce the drive torque a heavy duty tractor requires. A commerical lawn tractor might weigh 750 to 900 lbs. There are some very nice small heavy duty lawn tractors in the 20 HP liquid cooled diesel class. But they still can't handle the conditions shown. I think the biggest takeaway viewers can learn from this video is how to find a tractor at a *very* low cost point and get to performance needed for most situations expected. The idea that a tractor soley intended for logging is not necessary for this cabin build. I find those commentators are not thinking practically given the performance necessary. I'm sure it would be nice to have 4WD, power steering, front end bucket and a host of other features. But the man has a budget that has limitations, works full-time and still manages to find time to build a log cabin in the middle of the sticks. Like, seriously, how much do you want to pick the guy apart? Keyboard warriors aside, the Massey 35 is a reasonable choice that meets his expectations. Compact, reducing impact on the land, reasonable operating costs, access to parts and has the option to upgrade some accessories as he can afford it including 3 point equipment, which he has already done in later date episodes. From a safety aspect, I do agree with others, having a Halo for rollover protection is something to consider as a top priority. Given that we now know you now plan to make some day long journeys with overnight stays, a Halo makes genuine safety sense. I'm sure we will see Tire chains (not cheap anymore) in the future along with a block heater if the decision is made to work more than 1 day a week at the cabin site and if the generator is capable of outputting 2,500 watts @ 15 amps. Your tractor will love you forever if you reduce the startup stress during sub zero starts. Fuel filter maintenance is important when hauling fuel by Jerry can as moisture / condensation will occur and possibly freeze the fuel injectors and fuel pump. Keep the fuel tank full and add diesel fuel conditioner. It will make starts easier and reduce wear and tear. I'm not sure if you have a master battery disconnect. It's a good idea to have one installed. This reduces the risk of the battery draining to zero volts. Should that occur, the battery will burst in sub zero temperature conditions. As long as the battery has a charge, the battery will survive if it is of high quality design such as a Catipillar deep cycle. You've already had a few repairs on the old girl but it appears to be a really solid choice for your application, budget and operating conditions. These video vignettes are a great addition to your cabin build. Anyone who grew up with Canadian National Film Board productions will know what I'm referring too. Until the next time, continued success and exploration, enjoying the great outdoors building something you are passionate about.

[@richardjulian9263]

If you were able to find a small PTO driven winch like a Farmi or something similar, you would leave even less of a foot print in your selective logging as you would not need to drive to every log to hook up; you could skid it to a trail. Also, just a tip when dragging rocks. I have learned that it is not always easy to have a single chain stay on a boulder as I try to drag it. I use an old set of tire chains from a vehicle to wrap around the rock and then hook my drag chain to it. The tire chain, being like a "ladder" acts like a net and is less likely to slip off. It's very useful! Also, a set of chains on your Massey will help you in the forest during snowy/icy conditions. Stay safe and nice work!

[@SouthMainAuto]

I always enjoy your videos! Long time subscriber.

[@kennedy796]

South Main Auto Repair hey there mr.O!

[@construction-productscemen4935]

Expect your next video, the video is great.

[@montajchoudhury7255]

We'd Da 4:((

[@robertnorris3036]

Great journey through the tractors. Got a lot from your process of discovery. About to get a forest tractor for this winter and begin building a log cabin also. Liked that you're using traditional boulders for foundation. That's how it's done! Kudos

[@Jonsered0317]

Fantastic style- lots of work to create a video of this quality. Excellent points on size, HP, and balance in the woods. 8N with a Farmi winch is a powerful combo for sustainable logging.

[@hemlock1013]

Very nice video. I have a Ford 660 that I have in honor of my grandfather and my mother. He worked for Ford his entire life and even drove a tractor for Henry Ford when he was a young boy during the Victory garden era. I have dense acreage and this tractor is great. It has a Pto and there are some very cool attachments I can get. I hope be able to build a shelter for my tractor this year. I got a rear bucket attachment that hooks up to the 3 pt hitch in the back. Excited to get more use out of it!

[@TheOutsiderCabin]

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.

[@gerardjohnson2106]

3 point hitch gin pole might be a good implement for you. Possibly have to add some weight to the front end but everything would be removable when negotiating dense bush. Could help loading logs on saw frame. Also a 3 point dirt scoop and grader blade might be handy for you. Implements greatly extend functionality of tractors.

[@TheOutsiderCabin]

Gerard Johnson Great suggestion! As a matter of fact, I have a 3pht boom pole on order right now.

[@betterworldtogether]

What a great channel! I've searched these subjects extensively and somehow never came across "the outsider"...

[@cratecruncher6687]

For somebody like me that has never owned a logging tractor that was a great overview. Thanks!

[@wesleyofficer1237]

Hey man, this was really good info and I really enjoyed watching it. I am selecting a medium/small tractor myself, and of all of them that I have been using, so far I really like this old Massey Ferguson "35 DELUXE" (Has independent PTO and hydraulics, with a two stage clutch) It looks awful, but works awesome!

[@SteifWood]

For the diff starts in winter: mount a engine block heater. Since I think u have a gas powered el-aggregate this shouldn't cost too much. Alternatively; I didn't have electricity and it frequently was -40C when I logged on the Swedish-Norwegian border yrs ago, so I made a low wood fire under the tractor and covered it with insulating tarps. After an hour that worked just fine.

[@donaldhofman296]

Stiff Wood a charcoal fire doesn't flame up as bad as a wood fire, I've used that many times! Some friends of mine put hydraulic quick couplers on the coolant lines and on their truck and warmed the diesel engine that way!

[@davidlove9254]

Stiff Wood me

[@SteifWood]

Charcoal is for the bbq and in the middle of the winter we kinda dont bbq so no charcoal ... lol

[@PeterEmery]

The 3-cyl Perkins is a diesel & fitted with an inlet manifold preheater for cold starts.

[@MrRigmunkee1]

Interesting take on these tractors. Some things to think about. Always worth watching. Thanks.

[@alexshillinglaw3112]

We have always used a 1948 Ford 8n. It has sat in the bush for 50 years and runs no problem. A great and useful machine.

[@eddiewatson3759]

sure would be nice to see some work on the cabin. been a long time

[@TheOutsiderCabin]

eddie watson I hear yeah my friend. I'm currently filming the next big episode (11) of Log Cabin on a Budget right now. I promise it'll be worth the wait.

[@TheMetalButcher]

7:00 What? Stalling. I've never in my life met a tractor that didn't have enough gears to spin its tires in the dirt. Downshift.

[@villev8844]

Case motor was not running well, My case va is / sounds stronger.

[@johndowe7003]

if you have enough tractor and not enough hp/gear youll stall out. so that little tractor has lets say 20 hp. if that thing has solid footing and doesnt have a low enough gear it will begin to stall out. so yeah its reasonable

[@villev8844]

john dowe Under too heavy load my case will spin wheel or "wheelie" in first or second gear. power is not the problem. If case run whit all four cylinder, it sound like kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqTaoKeFq8mYqMk

[@johndowe7003]

you need front weights on your tractor

[@michaelmactavish1728]

it never stall a kubota m8540 plus it pulls anything and it turns 90% turn radus and easier geting through anything and easy turn around than any other tractors plus the service and cheaper parts

[@ajaxvarble]

Great video. If your still wondering about why the older tractors had those weird seats? It is because with old pull style implements you had to be able to reach back and operate the throw leaves.

[@butlerproman]

My family used an MF 135 for a very similar type of logging operation. Interesting to hear your analysis. We used that because that's what we had. Ours had power steering and 38hp.

[@adamhatt2811]

Don’t cheap out on safety. I strongly recommend roll bars.

[@adamclark9253]

adam hatt I recommend not rolling

[@AussieRossco]

We put a new modern seat on our old tractor. I can't relate the joy, bliss and power it gave. It was like a new tractor, should have been done 1000's of hours sooner! You can only understand if you have operated an old beast for any length of time.

[@TheOutsiderCabin]

Good to know! I'll look into getting a newer seat when I get the chance.

[@lowercherty]

Ross Gordon Much warmer on the butt in winter than that bare steel pan seat. 😉

[@gtoutdoorexcursions2938]

Been digging the tractor vids! Been watching a long while, appreciate the great work you've been putting out!

[@rebeccamondorff1793]

Thanks for sharing and comparing. I have to say that your new tractor taking on the mud hole was poetry in motion. I believe you made the right choice for the terrain you’re working in. Best of luck with that Diesel engine in frigid weather though. I hope you have a sure fire method for handling that scenario. I’ll be watching to see how it goes. Great vid!

[@jay90374]

Not an issue, I would guess that 95% of the heavy machinery in Canada is diesel powered.

[@vladabocanek3703]

Hi friend, as I've been driving a lot of different types of tractors from 20Hp up to 360Hp, I found Your choise as reasonable and good. You don't need front loader, because You have polies and long cable. Please don't put short rope on lower inch point, when You pull logs, because it ends under gear box and you will break it. It is just for hauling (pulling). Rather fix rope on short to three-point hitch only. Those two arms, wich are moved up and down by hydraulic power are called "sabres" in czech language and they should lift up to 1,5 tons. I would recomend you some steel frame, wich could be fixed in three points, and use them all such way. If You want to see, how to do such work and what equipment I mean, please find some videos on KZbin with ZETOR tractor, model Z 2511 K, 3011 or 7745 - strong version, used till this days for almost 40 years. I hope, You will find theese instructions and samples helpful. Bless Your work and be safe.

[@davidhintz1]

Czeska Czeska"" Zetor is sehr gut

[@TheUserid82]

This sounds like a case of work smarter not harder. Logs are too heavy to drag so a log arch set would pick them up and turn them into a wheeled trailer reducing friction with the ground and keeping the log clean during the trip. They would even be good for firewood as you can bring the selected logs back to the cabin then cut down to firewood length rather then needing a trailer/sled to hold the shorter logs.

[@wesleygibson7575]

My grandpa was an avid logger in the north Georgia mountains, he bought a 1951 VA Case brand new (I still have the sales receipt) logged millions of board feet of lumber with it. Still runs, but I need a brake drum and exhaust manifold for it. Also has a belt pto to run a cane grinder.

[@indianahoosier5794]

We've had my wife's grandfather's '52 Ford 8N on our horse farm for 25+ years now... her father rebuilt it in the 80s... love that little tractor to death... super reliable, strong for its size and agile... only thing that would be nice to have on it that it doesn't have is live PTO... Good luck with your new old tractor!

[@ryan11199]

It makes me nervous when i see someone get a old tractor with no roll bar up on two wheels. Tractors like that which have no front weight because of no four wheel drive and bucket are deadly while used for logging. I hear of people being killed from this. Its different when your pulling a plow or trailer because it inhibits the rollover. Be careful. I am still impressed at how that tractor drives though the woods.

[@pixelmaster3095]

ryan guile I think for logging tracked tractors is the best

[@krus180]

My moms uncle got killed in similar fashion. Hauled a heavy load up the hill, front lifted up and fell on him, crushing him between trailer and tractor

[@banshee8989]

Agreed.... I may of missed it but one thing I would put at the top of the list is stability. Honestly for the type of logging your doing I would look at a small dozer. Ive seen little john deere 350s going for under 10 grand. Before skidders were main stream thats what most loggers used

[@shaneruff7035]

Made me nervous watching as well. I'd be putting a set of weights up front to keep it planted. Maybe it's flat ground but super sketchy going up hills pulling.

[@pbgd3]

@@krus180 a three point hitch can actually really help with that. If you remember to use the upper link and something like a log skidder or carry all back there.

[@BlueAustinMaxi]

Massy Ferguson knows how to build tractors my grampa has one and it has lasted him about 30 years and it still runs perfect the only issue we had was a hydraulic hose dry rot and gave out while we were in the middle of the woods because why not have me have to walk 6 HOURS THROUGH THE MAINE WOODS IM STILL SALTY ABOUT THAT

[@elijones2495]

I has a maaaey fegoson 245 frome the 80s it’s great

[@175IQLOSERS]

I have a Massey Ferguson TO35 and its been in our family since 1962... Its been rebuilt twice over the years and it is by far the best tractor we have... It always starts, runs great, has more then enough power, we've used it to pull logs, plow fields, clean stalls and corrals, grade roads, bush hog, plow snow, etc...etc... It has the extra hydraulic ports on it so you can use those as well for many attachments. Its just a great all around tractor...!! It was last rebuilt four years ago, so it will be another 25 plus before it needs a good go through again. I'm sure it will stay in the family as my sons have already divided up which tractors and equipment they want when I'm gone...hahahaha. I'm sure you'll love your MF35, plus parts for them are readily available and affordable as well, which is nice..!!!

[@sebastienloignon1813]

I've been watching your videos for a long time and I have to say I admire your work. I really like your videos and your projects. I live in Quebec and also do some logging and different types of bush work. Its funny because every time I saw you struggle with your tractors I told myself ''he should buy himself a MF35''. My father has one, its a 1964 gas model and I have a 1963 MF65 diesel, they are great tractors. In my opinion its the best period of tractor to work in the bush, they have all it needs but nothing more, so no useless feature to go bad over time. Anyways keep up the good work and enjoy your 35. Take care!

[@johndowe7003]

Honestly the best tractor you can get is the one you can afford. I too bought a small tractor (8n Ford) but I needed a stronger tractor too so I got a farmall m with a FEL and now I have two great tractors I can use

[@williamchambersii6376]

Agreed, I too have a Ford 8n, gas engine that starts right up in the winter. It has 24-27 horsepower but with some adjustments with the governor, the carburetor, and distributer (only if side mount) you can get up to 32 hp. I restored an 8n before for shows in FFA and I am still using this tractor. Parts are extremely easy to come by and at affordable prices if you know where to look.

[@johndowe7003]

@@williamchambersii6376 yep, planning on doing some planting with mine this feb.

[@questionable8158]

The case didn’t sound like it was running too well.

[@coolwheelz5190]

Nice overview! I don't know much about tractors, but that one just has the "look" of a great tool!

[@blackwillow2884]

I logged for hardwood bush for years with a W4. Great reliable tractor and easy getting on and off for chaining etc. Platform on back was perfect for chains and saw etc. As long as you stayed out of deep mud it didn’t get hung up. Pulls hard and was very stable. Cheers from Ontario.🇨🇦

[@CJ9899]

In my opinion, I think the best tractor for your applications would be the Massey Ferguson 200 series. Like a 240 or 245

Maybe a bit pricey for what he's trying to illustrate.

[@RumMonkeyable]

Thanks for the very thorough comparison of "what makes for a good bush tractor (for heavily wooded areas)". The comparison points, IIRC, were: price, maneuverability, clearance, weight, power, ease of steering, & fuel type. P.S. Are all Canadian tractors red? 😉

[@TheOutsiderCabin]

RumMonkeyable Great summary! ...lol it sure seems like all we have is red tractors here. At least from seeing all the tractors on my channel.

[@spacethecatt]

I guess Case IH is really populair, but i know there are Deutz Fahr, Fendt and John deere which are all green.

[@fibleo4037]

Most Fiats are orange, Ford/New Holland are blue. Most tractors I've seen are green, red, blue and yellow/orange

[@jacobmichels5799]

Fibleo, well that’s quite a few colors of the rainbow

[@glenngoodale1709]

good to see you made it to Spring .... My hat goes off to you

[@MarkYoung_0711]

This video was great. Thank you for your comparisons. I like your persistence.

[@bigears4426]

It wasn't made for the bush ,without a rollbar easy to get squashed

[@calumsmith3795]

No shit so shut up

[@dr.zionsgrandfather6527]

calum smith lol

[@bigears4426]

calum smith fuck you too

[@mihaeltadic8170]

In Bosnia we use same tractor just diferent name IMT 539

[@kevinashby4847]

that's the same tractor that my Dad always used He'd make trails and haul dirt to fill in paths in the woods where we hunted. He loved that tractor. I've still got it and it was running when I parked it 9 yrs ago.

[@cassia_cries]

my dad farmed with masey 35s in the 60s and 70s and logs with one today.. with a detachable front loader! genius little tractors

[@rokslatinek2341]

Why you dont buy a winch?

[@alfaromeo2258]

From my expirience Ursus C-335 is best tractor for woods

[@BigRobChicagoPL]

we have one at my friend's Grandpa's farm in Polska. Reliable little workhorses these are. You hardly see another brand of tractor in that country.

[@sandhollowhomestead6972]

Good story. Glad you have something that works for you!

[@brockshields9336]

I grew up with a MF 35. It was then first vehicle for me to operate at the age of 12. I loved that little tractor.

[@nekbiodieselworks]

what about an 8n? I use mine for the field as well as forest work.

[@73twall]

Price. 8n's are collectible. The Massey, not so much. Similar tractors, though. 8n, 9n, Massey 35, Fordson - they all are almost the same thing. Thing is, you don't see a lot of 35's at tractor shows. They are too busy working. ;)

[@AZ-Patriot]

You keep talking about horsepower but that's not what matters. Horsepower is a moot number when you're talking about tractors. What's more important is the available torque. That'll be much more representative of its capabilities.

[@trevortimmreck]

Yeah, but hp is the standard, you can't compare tq because most manufacturers don't list it

[@TheTyrial86]

trevortimmreck On tractors they do. When purchasing them, one needs to know how much your tractor can actually pull, and what kind of implements you can run off your PTO. While horse power is important, the torque is the real question.

[@danielh4995]

HP is how tractors are measured, most have many gear options that will allow far more pulling than you would imagine. I can hook the same trailer up to my tractor that a 300hp pickup would struggle with on the highway and pull it around the yard with a 30hp tractor. HP ratings for tractors are necessary to determine what size implements they can run. For logging, as this video is concerned, the main factors are tractive effort, how much they can pull with their available traction which is a combination of HP, weight, and available traction, maneuverability, and environmental impact. Ideally you want a tractor that is just heavy enough and strong enough to pull your heaviest log while being light enough to not overly stress the environment and operating cost. I believe this video does a very good job of showing that progression in searching for the ideal mix.

[@Fantaman900]

guys don't forget HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252. more HP = more torque! and before there where tractors they used horses, I think HP is a perfect rating for tractor power

[@donttreadonme4355]

AZ Patriot lol I know right

[@blue_e.g.o.1687]

Just about to say get yourself an old Ford 9n because I used to have one, it was a 1939 and it still ran like the years were nothing. Nice to see you got something similar!

[@A_Magnuss1]

Me, my brother and dad are small scale loggers aswell the smallest tractor we have is a Ford 3000 and is by far the most accessible tractor in most areas. Another bigger and much stronger tractor is our 1960+ Fordson super major which is about the same size as the Fiat Heston you worked with. The largest and strongest tractors we have are a 1999 4x4 John Deere 6400 with power steering and a frontloader. The other is a Valmet 604 turbo. All really good tractors that rarely have any problems. I would definitely recommend them. What we started out with were: three chainsaws, a military issue long bed 4x4 Ford F250 with custom crane attachment, and a case IH 434 with a frontloader. After buying all that for a total of $20.000 USD on an auction we had to get started right away to be able to pay for running costs, foods and drinks, fuel, oil, tools and spare parts , and various bills to allow us to keep everything. We woke up 6 A.M. everyday to cut, haul, skin and deliver we always called it a day 10 p.m. to get ready for the next day. #godblessthehardworking

[@waiting4aliens]

loaders on small tractors without 4wd are grief.

[@kdanagger6894]

Pretty much any tractor without 4WD is grief. Getting stuck is no fun. Once you get a 4WD tractor, you'll *never* want to drive a 2WD tractor again.

[@ferguson20diesel49]

It's a fiat. Please don't call it a hesston. Buy a good fiat 110-90 with a cab.

[@anttiperala9973]

Those sure are good tractors. Only that you need triple ear protection :D

[@davidhintz1]

I have a Fiat 750 here in Germany. Love it! A Little Long, but at 75nHP it gets the Job done.

[@ferguson20diesel49]

Sigurbergur Andrésson you don’t really. I have used one for a long time. Very agile tractor for its size and packs a lot of power too for what it is, the one I have has been completely abused and has never let us down. Only for basis things. Tires. Clutch. Starter. Hitch repair. Diesel tank. Some seals. Water pump. And a set of brake discs and wear rings. And just basic maintenance.And it’s used to pull 20 ton or more at a time. But it really does take the good out of it. Need to know how to drive it. It really is a bullet proof tractor with no electric nonsense and will do over 40kph. And yes they can be noisy but you can have it every way. But at least they sound nice. Quite unique in fact. Well able for 30,000 hrs

[@PeterEmery]

My father used a MF 35 X2 for 40 years. In the hilly areas a bigger, more powerful 60 hp Zetor would tear up the grass, promoting blackberry/fern growth on the bare patches, whereas the 44.5 hp (real figure for the 3 cyl Perkins) just floated across the surface. This was better equipped for summer use with a proper vertical exhaust rather than one running beneath plus it had cast iron ballast weights at the front & a decent roll-over protection system. Cold starting in winter was never a problem, it uses in inlet manifold preheater. Filling the rear tyres to 80% with water also greatly increased its traction. This tractor only ever used a drawbar mounted on the lower arms of the 3-pt linkage. Once a Fiat 450 tractor hauling a trailer with 144 hay bales snapped its drawbar clean off. The Fergie was brought into service, lowering its linkage mounted drawbar to the height of the dropped trailer hitch and lifting if far enough off the ground to haul back to the shed in low-range 3rd (top) gear. A great & truly versatile tractor.

[@regsparkes6507]

This video is entertaining and at the same time good information for those of us who may wish to buy a good farm ( or inuistrial ) tractor. Thanks for this!

[@davidolofsson3076]

One bad thing with them: No tractor in this video had safetycage, even my -59 Volvo krabat has that 😒

[@johndowe7003]

as long as youre sensable and dont go gun-ho youll be fine. honestly its like walking bare foot with you have no rops because youll be aware that you have zero protection and youll be a bit more careful where your steppin

[@whiters1992]

Rops can be made simply.

[@davidolofsson3076]

@@johndowe7003 actully not, my dad tipped our terri 1020 by just driving on like a one-foot high leaf pile..

[@lf31980]

David Olofsson so

[@endyouinwords5405]

We die like real man , no rollchage needed

[@leegenix]

Of all three (pardon me, Four) tractors, You are the hardest working of them all. Take care, my Friend.

[@TheOutsiderCabin]

leegenix Thank you!

[@northernheaven2503]

I had two of those VAC tractor’s both 1945’s. One had a front loader the other had rear hydraulics. For the year and work put through them they are the best tractor’s I ever owned. Even started at -45 when no other of my vehicles would start. Easy to fix too!

[@northernheaven2503]

Mine never stalled out tho would always spin tires before thinking about stalling.

[@MrJamesonfire]

I REALLY ENJOYED THIS PRESENTATION ! newest tractor is great ! but get a few sets of tire chains will really help in the traction dept !! GET A ROLL CAGE ! and maybe " call it a skid plate " up front at an angle to float through the snow rather then plowing with the front end !!

[@lucaswilliam3792]

1955 John Deere gas 2 cylinder, it pulls anything, 3 point hitch, high ground clearance, nimble, reliable, always starts up, power steering and it is the best buch tractor and I love it

[@Peter-200]

Ahh the wee 35👌perfection

[@davidrobertson376]

I think the Massey Ferguson 35 is 41 horsepower. A great choice for your work. A Ford 3000 would also be a tractor to try.

[@chamilton9182]

Great vid. I always enjoy your videos. You have become a tractor nerd and I LOVE IT!!! Maybe after you are settled in the cabin you can bless others by rebuilding "bush" tractors and reselling them. Cant wait to see more episodes. God Bless and Keep. From Texas

[@jacksak]

Absolutely great editing and very interesting. Thanks.

[@kyletiernan3998]

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[@tsuchang1]

Thanks again. I look forward to more videos. Great quality in videotography, (a new word?) and narration.

[@dutcher9180]

I watched the whole thing, no skipping

[@brodenmurray4047]

Same

[@stevelindsay3643]

I agree. I have a logging and sawmill outfit. I've been doing bush work my entire life now in my mid 50's . The tractor I like taking into the bush is a Ford 3000. I have a number of tractors, but it's my go to Gal. Power steering, tight turn radius, enough power for large timber with a logging arch. It has done a mountain of work. Its equipt with chains on the rear tires, and rarely gets stuck, but when it does, a quick fix is chaining two logs larger than the diameter of the rear tires to the tires, hit the differential lock and it will lift itself out of any hole its stuck in. Its light enough to stay on top of the ground without breaking through.. I also have a winch 17,500 lb with snatch blocks to get to the hard stuff or winch myself out when possible when stuck.. It is a great size for multiple tasks

[@KK-dt4gj]

My ideal bush tractor is. 4 wheel drive, Cabin, power steering, good ground clearence and good turning circle.

[@blitzburghbilly7813]

CONGRADULATIONZ 🚜 .... I'M SO WAITING & LOOKING 4'WARD TO THIS YEARZ START OF THE CONTINUED BUILD WITH YOUR "DAD" ON THE CABIN...

[@anndoig7993]

Thankyou another interesting video....looking forward to the next one on the progress of the cabin build. Cheers.

[@ctahgw]

Great video, well put together. Looking forward to hear the verdict.

[@dusanbajsanski6987]

In Serbia IMT both licence from Massey Ferguson and made imt 539 with 39hp (same as in video), imt 558 with 58 hp, imt 577 with 75 hp. check pictures, its same as Massey Ferguson but made for Yugoslavian market and they are still in use and work fine. Imt 558 its bit larger than 539, try to find same tractor specification but in Massey Ferguson production line. I had both and they are great, if you want more power go with 558.

[@hixrat]

I have no need for a tractor and probably never will. I live in the middle of a city but I really enjoyed your video and getting to go through your decision making process. Thanks for the great video.

[@kevimc]

great honest evaluations of some old workhorses; rollover is my biggest fear; our woods are so rugged; I had a big International and it was only 2 wheel drive making it useless in our woods; I hated getting stuck; I sold it but I should have bought a skidder

[@lbbradley55]

I thank God I still have my Cousin who's Brother had him pulling him off in a Car with a FARMALL Cub. He was very young & his brother stomped the brake after it started. Of course it flipped over on him as he didn't know to push the Clutch to stop it. -8 yrs old. ! & As it comes over he turned his head and the stearing wheel CRUSHED HIS HEAD FLAT. he stayed in Hospital for many months. Had I don't remember how many surgeries but he is still with us Thank God Be Aware

[@livelife4471]

Thanks for your review of these tractors.

[@noc8076]

Get yourself a logging chain, a choker that self tightens around the log. Will not fray or tear up like a strap. A chain is indefinitely adjustable, and you already have the hook for a chain on your boom on the three point hitch. No more fumbling with shackles, and quick to tighten or let out a bit depending on how the log rides.

[@FYMM69]

When your pulling off the drawbar, back in as close to your load and hook short to get the load pulling down on the rear end plus it’ll lift log hurt ends off the ground.

[@TheAmanla]

Love *YOUR* videos and info, TY!

[@Femmpaws]

Good video, I have used all the tractors you have used with the exception of the Hesston doing field work. The VA worked well pulling a rake and lightly loaded hay wagon if the ground was firm. The W4 worked well at most of the jobs asked of it. The 35 did all the jobs that the VA and W4 did along with pulling a baler with a hay wagon behind. The 35 we had had sprung seat that made the ride not bad. We were doing field work with the 35 in places the Case 970 would sink and damage the field early in the season till the ground dried out. The 35 was fun to rake and mow with and like you said it was rather nimble.

[@CoalChrome]

If you need anything slightly bigger than the W-4, they made a W-6 as well. Also, it's amazing how tight the turning radius on the old IH/Farmalls is. We have a 1940 M (beast of a tractor) and it can do a 180 within 2 lanes of road.

[@loganbeedy5950]

They also made a W9

[@edbenson98]

Very nice evaluation of a wide range of tractors with pros and cons for each one. I'm glad you finally found the one that suits the needs for your particular application! #TO

[@TheMrJoeMac]

Great vidio man. Some great points about each tractor. When I start looking for mine, this information will be very helpful.

[@the1khronohs40]

That little 3-cylinder Perkins is an awesome engine! We've had a 135 on the farm since before is was born. It's in use all the time still, and I'm about to hit 40. I believe it was bought new by my granddad in '72. It has never been rebuilt, only had fairly regular service maintenance. Probably less than recommended even. It never fails to start, even here in the cold, cold winters of Norway. It's just awesome! I just bought a 35 as well, only with a gasoline engine. I'm curious as to how it compares in the years to come. 👍

[@bobmoe5934]

I’ve used a MF 35 with a loader in the woods skidding and lifting logs. You are exactly right.

[@samuelhigh3572]

We had a Fordson Dexta (that was similar to your Massey) that we used in the woods when I was growing up. That little tractor will surprise you with what you can do. Its a good tractor, so good that you'll have stories about it ;) just like I do about my Fordson Dexta.

[@davidgenthnerjr4995]

That is one thing I like about my friends 1964 JD 3020 Diesel. It's got the power to skid 4-5 decent sized logs, even though its long it fits in the areas we were logging in, and you felt comfortable sitting on it. We used to not only skid logs with it but pull out the stumps later. I'm hoping to get a chance to purchase it when my friends father passes so I got something to work alongside the 1956 Ford F-600 Farm truck he is leaving me.