7 Jerks Who Tricked You Into Doing Terrible Things

Even the smartest of us gets fooled occasionally, so there’s no shame when seemingly reasonable videogame characters trick you into doing something that later turns out to have dire consequences. It could happen to any of us! To prove it, consider these seven jerks who tricked you into doing terrible things, and subscribe for more videos like this from Outside Xbox!
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[@Joe90h]

"Don't trust an adult that makes bad puns" Oh god, was Ellen the true villian of OX the whole time? I knew Jane was too overtly evil for it to ever be her thanks to Scooby Doo rules.

[@hegara376]

You got a point...

[@EGRJ]

Can't be. The puns in the number sluglines pre-date Ellen.

[@rodrigocampos1302]

Yeah no, Ellen's puns are amazing

[@ArkaneStephanie]

Scooby Doo rules? Like this wasn't the show where one of the episodes revealed the villains were called "Creeps and Crawls"

[@alexanderh.5493]

Oh God and Ellen fits the innocent youed never suspect villan profile perfectly.

[@druinofodd1762]

Remember when Priscilla cruelly tricked Luke into murdering her by asking to be left in peace?

[@Hideshiseyes18]

Can this one be in the commenter edition

[@daramonaghan2320]

I audibly laughed at that🤣

[@ALPHARHYTHM0]

Or the time in Among Us that Luke had everyone stack up together so someone could be anonymously murdered, and then someone was anonymously murdered! He's tricksy...

[@druinofodd1762]

Or when those orphans cruelly tricked Luke into murdering them by being so defenceless

[@mathsalot8099]

Or that other time in Among Us when Luke tricked everyone into voting him out by saying he was the Imposter.

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

The worst part about Ikutsuki's betrayal is that there was NO indication that he was lying to you. He was quirky and awkward, yet fatherly and compassionate and with the trust of the main cast, two of whom had worked with him for years. Yet, when the veil dropped and he finally revealed himself, it was believable. The setup and everything that came with his game-long grift was well within his purview and skillset to accomplish. Doctoring footage, funding SEES, finding people with The Potential, all of it. He operated within the role of deuteragonist while being an antagonist in the most believable way possible.

[@nikogarcia201]

And to think the only reason his plan failed was because he didn’t tied up Koromaru with the other or that the very least, order Aegis to kill him when he order her to capture the group. After ascending the Tatarus all on his own to save the day, he secured his place as the best boy of the persona franchise in my heart.

[@Synnstrumentals]

Shuji: "EE-KOOT-SKI. Hard to say isn't it?" Jane: Shuji "Ick-kuh-sooh-kee"

[@aardbei54]

Apparently it really was hard to say

[@michaeltortorice9876]

Don't poke the bear. Or in this case, the evil(?) mad (definitely mad) scientist.

[@elihuebner1319]

Oblivion is such a wealth of quests where you get tricked into doing terrible things. There are the vampires who convince you to hunt down vampire hunters by claiming to be hunters and claiming that the hunters are vampires, and then there is the fights guild quest where you get drugged and convinced to wipe out a village you helped earlier.

[@jorvach9874]

Elder Scrolls heroes attract con artists like flames attract moths...

[@borttorbbq2556]

Or really any of the evil Daedric princes

[@daramonaghan2320]

@@borttorbbq2556 don't bring Jane into this...

[@jorvach9874]

@@daramonaghan2320 That is really fucking funny! Nice one! :D

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

It doesn't just HAVE a wealth of quests where you get tricked into doing terrible things. It IS a wealth of quests where you get tricked into doing terrible things.

[@sacrilegiousboi]

That time Mike tricked Andy into dropping a chandelier on people at a party in hitman lol

[@oxfanblink4115]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@IronManMarkRDJ]

Could you share the link of the video or just the title maybe?

[@sacrilegiousboi]

@@IronManMarkRDJ the blackmailer elusive target in Paris

[@IronManMarkRDJ]

@@sacrilegiousboi Thanks, that's very nice of you.

[@premiumheadpats4150]

@@sacrilegiousboi Awesome.

[@laylamorrison9596]

What about Atlas from Bioshock? Not only did he trick Jack into thinking believing he had a life on the surface AND to give him control of Rapture, he also convinced almost the entire city into believing that Fontaine was dead and that he and Atlas were two separate people. And also *spoilers he DID kill Elizabeth, which is a massive dealbreaker.

[@AdamAddictL]

He also tricks Elizabeth herself into thinking he’s gonna turn over the Little Sister kid and let them both go BEFORE he even kills her…

[@atlasbutnotthetitan393]

I was hyped to hear my name in a game, until I got to the end lmao

[@aspiringwayfarer]

Can you kindly…?

[@OrangeDog20]

Worse, he lobotomises her.

[@domesticdragonwaffle]

To be fair, Elizabeth killed herself, as the twins continually warned her that due to that version of her dying shortly after Comstock, if she returned to that universe, she would lose all her powers and would become a single universe mortal instead of the multiversal immortal she was after Infinite but before Burial at Sea.

[@malcolmduncan]

Jane's persona entry, 'dont't trust people who make puns like this' What's she trying to tell us about Ellen?

[@hegara376]

Yeah, maybe it's a hidden cry for help. Who knows what Ellen is up to? ;⁠)

[@shoshonnie7796]

What about Shadow of the Colossus? The demon literally tricks you into killing the colossi so it can possess you and take over.

[@SAUglaz]

It didn't really trick you. You got what you wanted, and so did the demon.

[@billyalarie929]

It “tricked” the player, that’s about it. Not the character.

[@roguishpaladin]

@@SAUglaz You getting possessed was not an advertised part of the deal. There's definitely an implication that Wander would get to be with his resurrected lover.

[@SAUglaz]

@@roguishpaladin I think it being a demon in a forbidden land and all the evil worms that get into you every time you kill a colossus count as fair disclosure of price.

[@shoshonnie7796]

@@SAUglaz I’m pretty sure he didn’t sign up to be possessed though🤔

[@RedForLife68]

Red Dead had so many random creepy people who turned out to be arseholes. The dude who makes you steal a horse and it turns out he’s a weirdo with a horse fetish. The guy who asks you to capture/hogtie someone and bring them to him who turns out to be a cannibal. Pretty sure there’s more that I’m forgetting.

[@yourmother6901]

The Alabama couple in RDR2

[@Mr.Brothybear]

that Crying girl in the church quest

[@shesawitch3581]

And John does nothing about the said weirdos! He's just like, "Oh no! Anyway..."

[@darkdragoness5]

What about the quest where you kill sasquatches because "they eat people" until you come across the last one who tells you that you killed an entire species of peaceful berry eating creatures.

[@jordanp.davidson5977]

Let’s not forget the gunsmith who kidnapped a boy and was under the delusion that the said boy was his son, the serial killer who killed an entire team, the artist who did those paintings, the guy who kidnapped Arthur and probably raped him.

[@whatsinaname1709]

What about Dragon Age 2 where Anders tricks you into doing a terrorism by telling you that he needs help gathering ingredients for a potion that will cure his spiritual possession?

[@azurestream7816]

I stayed up until 3am trying to finnish his quests thinking, "he's a good dude, it's worth it..." but you'd better believe that I Shanked the S*** out of him the moment I saw the option!

[@iainjames03]

Excellent suggestion. Also bonus points for the phrase "doing a terrorism" :D :D

[@pierre-mariecaulliez6285]

@@iainjames03 "Ooops ! Did I just accidentaly a war ?" Alucard, TFS Hellsing abridged

[@tinytitmouse7019]

Once he changed into his blacked out “Don’t go to the chantry tomorrow” robes I knew I messed up

[@TheWonderfulWombat]

Still not over it. Dammit Anders!

[@AntiGravKnight]

Loving to see the persona 3 rep on the list. It seems the arcana is the means by which all is revealed

[@samusx2175]

The fact that the SEES arcana is The Fool..

[@jaymer123]

@@samusx2175you know The Fool doesn’t mean foolishness…right?

[@deannal.newton9772]

Yes, yes I know. I also know that I hate Mr. Ikutsuki after everything he did to the members of S.E.E.S. and he somehow made Strega look better than him. I mean I know that Strega is violent and all but at least they're honest about not wanting the Dark Hour to end. The worse part is that there are people in the sequels that are actually worse than Mr. Ikutsuki from Persona 3 like Mr. Adachi from Persona 4 and even Goro Akechi from Persona 5. I guess I'm not the best judge of character if I'm attracting people like that in video games.

[@aquaintsound]

I know some people haven't played Ace Attorney Apollo justice but the way that game makes the player (as phoenix wright) present false evidence that gets him disbarred is BRUTAL. All because he got tricked.

[@4amlibra]

OMG YES. I was DESPERATE to do anything that wasn’t that, it was SO disheartening!!

[@dzarsos]

Getting fooled by the "good guy" into doing bad things is pretty much the entire plot of Tales of Symphonia - arguably, twice... and spans centuries of deception of entire worlds.

[@maaleru]

Whole "Tales of" series is made of plot twists like this. Smthn like "all you know about game world by half of walkthrough is lie"

[@loopy183]

Aery from Bravely Default fits this quite well. “Charge the crystals to restore balance to the world,” she says. In reality she’s using the power of the crystals to devour the worlds you’re looping through. It’s okay, it only comes at the cost of traumatizing one of your party members by repeatedly killing everyone she knows and loves!

[@deannal.newton9772]

It's Airy and you are absolutely 100% correct. I didn't even know about it until I accidentally went for the false ending in Bravely Default after seeing Sage Yulyana. I also didn't think that she would turn into a terrifying monster that I had to fight but go figure.

[@ThunderJimmy]

Persona 3 was definitely more suspect in its betrayal, greater than subtle hints the director of SEES had more knowledge about the death arcana, the shadows, nyx, the fall, than everyone in the party. The encouragement to hunt down the 12 greater arcana shadows didn't go completely unchecked.

[@SmilinSinner]

Persona 5. Igor. Need i say more?

[@deannal.newton9772]

@@SmilinSinner Who isn't even the real Igor to begin with. I thought it was suspicious the moment that "Igor" first talked because he voice sounded deeper than usual since Igor usually has a high pitched voice from the earlier games. Then I heard that some people that there was a new voice actor for Igor and I thought it was just the new voice actor with some creative liberties. At least I realized that my prior suspicions of him were true because after exposing the fake Igor, the real one showed up with his usual high pitched voice since the first Persona game.

[@aerialmacaroon6312]

Innocent sin and external punishment have entered chat

[@ThunderJimmy]

@@aerialmacaroon6312 oh yea, the power of rumors and nyarly

[@Lemmingofdoom]

Persona 3, his true crime was the puns

[@Space_Noise]

And the English dub 🫥

[@bbaugher2419]

and his fugly hair

[@angel_aeon]

@@Space_Noise Everyone except Fuuka was fine, i prefer Aigis's JP VA though since I like her voice more and she isn't problematic like the EN one is lmao.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

Anders in Dragon Age 2, you help him do a lot of awesome stuff, and then he asks you to help him do something in the Chantry, a few moments later, you're an accessory to terrorism, massacre, instigation of war, and you figure out that all you helped him with, was with preparing this attack, if there is one betrayal that hurts the most, it's this one.

[@johncarriere2911]

Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought of Blondie!

[@ristilukki]

My first though too! Surprised he wasn't on the list.

[@fynnh5459]

As much as I like Anders, he definitely belongs on this list.

[@mrb7261]

Agreed. First play through, had no idea it was going to happen and I even romanced Anders. Ripped my heart out BioWare!

[@dragon-kitty]

Anders was a disapointment, they ruined his character in 2, awakening Anders was a much better character

[@cluelesskhajiit]

Ganondorf in OOT. He knows he is unworthy of the Master Sword, so he lets you pull it so he can take the Triforce, and make his wish.

[@BJGvideos]

Yeah but he's not the one telling you to do the quest. Zelda is, and he just lets it happen.

[@louisewilson2044]

Ganondorf is pretty clear about his goals. Link and Zelda knew of his intentions so there was no deception there.

[@robertbeisert3315]

@@BJGvideos Except he knew that Zelda was suspicious of him, and he used that to get the hero to do the dirty work. The game was rigged from the start.

[@bryangibbs7191]

My memory may be wrong but I believe by the time that the king sends Cecil & Kain to deliver the package to the village of Mist, he's already been killed and replaced.

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

Yeah, npcs in the castle will say he's been acting weirdly, and he sent you to mysidia specifically because it was cagnazzo not the king

[@daltigoth3970]

@@Christopher-eq1rn Not only that, but Cecil gets sent on this particular mission after he questions the king due to feeling that something was off during his return trip from Mysidia in the intro sequence. It is likely that Cagnazzo (posing as the king) had hoped that Cecil would die on the mission.

[@davidmelon9409]

Wasn't it Golbez in disguise?

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

@@davidmelon9409 nope. Cagnazzo, one of the four fiends that worked under golbez while he was being mindraped

[@reishiki]

@@Christopher-eq1rn Mindraped is.... such an interesting choice of word.

[@eastonmoon]

Does Dusknoir from Mystery Dungeon Explorers count? He tricked you into beliveing stopping Grovyle would save the world but instead he was ensuring it's paralyzis.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

Yeah that's a good one.

[@avengerwolf646]

Always love to see Jade Empire on a list! I love that throughout the game, other characters mention seeing a weakness, but since they don't know how to exploit it, they assume it is just a technique you use on purpose.

[@shinrailp1416]

Jade Empire is one of these games that really needs a remaster. No big changes just some enhanced visuals, some more modern controls and maybe add some stuff for more value but keep everything else as it is. I'd love that though no idea how Black Whirlwind would survive in the current world of gaming.....

[@samaelangelus321]

Awesome game, the final boss is weak to Jade Golem and ruined the intensity of the fight lol. Get rid of your weakness and crush him

[@typacsk]

"I must apologize for the Spirit Monk. We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke." -- Sun Li, probably

[@xizar0rg]

All of that betrayal in Loom can be avoided by simply slicing the universe in half at the very start of the game.

[@haydon4]

I know the topic is about other people who tricked you into doing terrible things...but are we really going to gloss over the time when Bobbin used the reflection spell to swap his appearances with a sleeping boy...only for him to be eaten by a dragon you pissed off earlier in the game???

[@scottylewis8124]

Ahem. Atlas/Frank Fontaine from BioShock. He tricks you with a mind control phrase to kill raptures founder Andrew Ryan and tries to kill you as soon as you complete his task!

[@eburel506]

Would you kindly.

[@MorbidCrow666]

Yeah I wondered why he wasn't mentioned

[@danimalfarm]

Mind controlling someone into doing something is not the same as tricking them into doing it while thinking it's a good thing.

[@RokuHanmar]

@@danimalfarm Maybe so, but the Assassins in Rogue still made the list despite not tricking Shay

[@AdamAddictL]

@@danimalfarm but he literally did it DISGUISED as A DIFFERENT PERSON….thus….he was TRICKED

[@aeloswindrunner]

There's also Dusknoir from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky. He pretends to be a good guy to get you to help him with the manhunt for Grovyle, only for it to turn out Grovyle was a good guy trying to save the world and Dusknoir is a jerk trying to protect an apocalypse

[@saberx2321]

This was a good one. I hope they include this in the commenters edition.

[@Jonathon_Hennessey]

In the second Dragon Age game towards the end of the third act. Anders one of the members in your party asks Hawke to gather ingredients for him, later it's revealed that he used the ingredients you gave him to manufacture a bomb that he used to blow up Kirkwall's chantry and start a war between the mages and templars.

[@cyanimation1605]

I seriously dropped my controller and just stared at the dialog options for what to do with him for like 20 minutes.

[@claratalbot7613]

No mention of Mercer Frey from Skyrim? Not only did he frame someone else for the death of the previous guild master he tricks u into helping him locate & hunt down the person he framed. The only thing that stops his plan is Karliah's skills with a bow which prevents Mercer from killing u both although even if his plan has succeeded he probably would have just framed u for stealing all the treasure from the guild to ensure he kept his control over the guild without any loss ends

[@willieoelkers5568]

He wouldn’t need to keep control of the Guild, he was cashing out his chips as it were once he pulled that final heist

[@claratalbot7613]

@@willieoelkers5568 Oh that's right. He was going to kill Karliah & the Dragonborn before taking off with the guild's treasure. He still would have probably framed the Dragonborn for the theft of the guild's treasure before taking off

[@willieoelkers5568]

@@claratalbot7613 Eh, I dunno. Especially not in any lasting sense. You do a big frame job so you can keep going like you have been without having to worry about being found out, and Mercer's getting ready to skip town. Plus he leaves his calling card in the vault if I remember correctly; a bottle of Black Briar Reserve and lockpicks arranged in an "M" shape.

[@melteccraig]

Imagine being the one who had to narrow it down to just one elder scrolls entry to this list.

[@lawrencetalbot8346]

Getting mad Fallout 3 vibes. Dr Stanislaus Braun aka Betty really got me with “it’s just a simulation.”

[@TevanaZelta]

The thing I remember the most about that brotherhood betrayal was after I had just killed a certain target I was suddenly ambushed from behind and them being like What have you done?! Me: Uh, my job? That was a brotherhood member you just killed!! Me: OK? Well you did send me a mission to target him. No we didnt!! Me: Huh.....Wait what?! It was the most confused I had ever been while playing a game lol

[@Hugelag]

Two examples: In Kirby Super Star, Marx tricks the sun and moon into fighting. He tells Kirby to wake up Galactic Nova to wish for peace. Marx shows up, steals the wish and tries to take over the planet. In Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Magolor crash lands and needs Kirby and friends to repair his ship. After fixing the ship, he tells them that there's an evil dragon that needs to be stopped. After Kirby beats the dragon, it turns out that Magolor wanted the dragon's crown to get a lot of power. There's a reason why I have trust issues.

[@CharaCoutureDrag]

Van in Tales of the Abyss was shady from the jump but playing through the moment he takes advantage of Luke's trust in him and has you lower Akzeriuth into the Qlipoth, effectively killing the entire town by drowning it in sludge REALLY hit me hard the first time I played it. Especially the fact that you watch a small child call out for his father before he goes under. It serves as a huge turning point for Luke's character and the story as a whole, but good god is it a gut punch seeing Luke's real time reaction to the whole scenario.

[@thrasher698]

I mean it certainly doesn't help sell he's shady when the entire party refuses to tell Luke ANYTHING of substance to make him distrust Van, who hasn't really done too much at that point to warrant suspecting he would be planning something with cataclysmic consequences.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

@@thrasher698 In all fairness, Luke is mentally still a child, so even if they had explained it at that point he wouldn't get it and likely still think they're trying to separate him from the one man who had shown any sort of affection towards him. Being effectively fatherless (because, let's face it, his real dad is an absolute douchebag) definitely sows the seeds for tragedy, whether IRL or in fiction.

[@MOCTurtle4911]

I think in Summoner, you get tricked to stick your hand into a fire, which burns off your hand, which is a shame because you need hands for summoning, and opening ketchup.

[@leonardquirm]

I was thinking of mentioning Summoner! You're sent off on a quest to retrieve four magic summoning rings, and having got them, you return to your mentor who sent you who goes "now while wearing them on your special summoning hand, stick your hand in this fire which will fuse them together into an all-powerful single ring". And you do so, and are then surprised when it in fact (a) destroys your special summoning hand and (b) destroys the rings, releasing the beings within. Which I thought was an amazing twist, up until a couple hours later in the game when your character gets poisoned and is told "oh yeah, the cure for this is to go get this normally even more poisonous plant and consume it and it'll defeat the first poison". Has the protagonist learnt nothing about stupid sounding 'oh no it'll do something special' quests? ...I don't know, because I stopped playing before finishing that quest!

[@jodinsan]

Seeing _Loom_ get mentioned in a video is a real treat. That game deserves more love.

[@LordJazzly]

I like meridia's quest in Skyrim, because it plays with this - all the other daedric quests involve you being persuaded to do something highly dubious, often without having a choice to really say no. Meridia - 'tricks you' into going into a cave full of necromancers and ghosts, and killing the necromancers and ghosts. Exactly how you've just done in the last fifteen necromancer caves. Then she gloats about her devious master plan's success, and gives you a nifty sword for your troubles. It's quite funny, really.

[@jarrakul]

Meridia's a weird one. She's probably one of the more evil daedra when you get right down to it, what with being hardline opposed to free will and all. But her main enemies are also evil, so it's like... she'll force you to do a good thing, and being forced isn't cool, but good things are good.

[@mikoto7693]

@@jarrakul I had no problem with her goal to kill all undead though.

[@jonathantrautman8532]

Bravely Default had their own as well the fairy ( an actual demon) that was part of your group tricked you into praying to stones that caused an explosion destroying the town the main character lived in to be sent to a different reality only to do it over again and again.

[@barrybend7189]

I know her whole plan was devilishly brilliant.

[@davidmcgill1000]

The fairy flies.

[@jonathantrautman8532]

@@davidmcgill1000 A fairy lies.

[@AshenVictor]

@@jonathantrautman8532 Airy Lies/Lying Airy depending on your region. Not the only JRPG where you're doing the big bad's work all along. Enchanted Arms (Fromsoft JRPG from the early days of the 360) has you doing exactly what the villain wanted until like the third stage of the final boss fight.

[@jonathantrautman8532]

@@AshenVictor I think there is an ending where you stop her plans by praying too much to a stone and she reveals what she truly is.

[@saml193]

What about when Master Xehanort tricked Terra into attacking Master Eraqus in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep. Terra trusted Master Xehanort and felt he was protecting Ven.

[@sean.alphonse]

To be fair, which bad guy DIDN'T trick Terra in that game hahaha

[@AgentMonochrome]

Master Xehanort is just an all-around d***

[@Buretsu]

Eraqus was also trying to kill one of Terra's closest friends because nah trust me bro.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

@@sean.alphonse The Evil Queen. And before you bring up Hook, need I remind you that Terra tricked him back.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

@@Buretsu Of course, that wouldn't have happened if Xehanort didn't dare Ven to go press Eraqus for answers.

[@reno_2200]

Jade Empire has my absolute favourite twist foreshadowing. The 'weakness' was letting your guard down in your moment of victory and, to be fair, you do pose after every fight. This is identified and exploited by Gao the Lesser right at the start of the game - after you beat him in a sparring match, you pose (of course!) and check that your mentor is impressed and Gao almost kills you when your mentor steps in to block the attack. The game's worst antagonist unwittingly almost ruins the big bad's whole plan!

[@danimalfarm]

This is amusing, but not accurate. Everyone you fight in Jade Empire (who's alive to talk afterwards) says there's something weird about your fighting style that they tried and failed to exploit *during* combat.

[@cyanimation1605]

Nathan Fillion's one and only hateable role. (I guess Captain Hammer comes close)

[@Minilena]

Bravely Default's twist and the ingenious start screen change which follows was really cool, it's just such a pity that the game suffered quite a bit from weird repetition until you understood that you were sort of stuck in a loop. Also, the music of that game absolutely slaps!

[@deannal.newton9772]

I know, I love the music in Bravely Default and I also didn't see it coming that Airy was lying to us this whole time until I accidentally got the false ending by breaking one of the crystals.

[@fungalmage3336]

Thought for sure you'd mention A Towerful of Mice in the Witcher 3. Turns out that fulfilling the last request of a tormented spirit doesn't always produce positive results. I especially like how Geralt is actually disappointed in himself for letting himself get duped by Anabelle (if you choose to take her at her word)

[@joaolima7131]

Not just Anabelle but the person who send him to do the Quest Keira Metz, she even got laid with him so Geralt wouldn't suspect anything.

[@soulstealer5625]

I didnt even know the ‘proper’ ending existed for my first few runs. I assumed removing the bones was the only option. Wasnt until i did the optional objectives that i realised there was another option.

[@midnights2631]

I felt so terrible doing that, I actually redid the quest because I know the game does change with the some quests.

[@Savaris96]

Well, the Bellamont thing is extremely obvious to the point that its actually baffling that the character fell for it, given that they would have interacted with Lucien often enough to notice the change in wording, not to mention the convinience of Lucien only trying to stop you after you basically vacated the spot of the leader of the Dark brotherhood

[@persephoneunderground845]

Annoyingly there's no way to check in with Lucien or anyone else, or investigate yourself, when you notice the notes are getting... increasingly weird. So the only choices for the player are to go along or just stop the questline. I'm sure there's a mod for that by now (RP as not an idiot!) but never found one when I played Oblivion.

[@tuxedotservo]

How about Dragon Age II - Anders asks you to come along to get some ingredients for a spell - a spell he used to destroy the Kirkwall chantry and start the mage rebellion. Or Dragon Age: Inquisition and Solas - using the Inquisitor and Inquisition to try to retrieve his emagic infused orb from Corphyeus , planting his own agents within the Inquisition along the way to continue to track its plans after he leaves. He didn't get the orb, but he did take the Anchor at the end of the Trespasser DLC.

[@Forestxavier20]

Dragon Age: Origins, so many people trick you into doing terrible things. The leader of the Elves who is the reason the Werewolves exist and actively tries to get you to commit genocide against them, the Dwarven Kings Harrowmont and Bhelen, but Jowan from the Mage origin has to be the biggest betrayal of your trust! He was a close friend and you were told he was in love, his girlfriend even joined you in the mission to destroy his phylactery! Only AFTER that, when you are caught, he uses blood magic and escapes, notably without you. You helped a Maleficar escape the circle and there is no way to track them, and what did you get for it? Maybe a decent enough staff.

[@silverwyhrecat5]

I'm still pissed about Jowan. The first time I was so horrified that when I found him later, I was like "WHO NEEDS A TRIAL I'LL TAKE HIM OUT RIGHT NOW"

[@hillbillykoi5534]

My first play through was as a Dwarf noble....spent the game wanting to get back at Bhelen. Then after finishing game saw how Harrowmont sucks so I end up crowning Bhelen in new playthroughs..blech

[@mikoto7693]

@@silverwyhrecat5 Unless you betray him first. I was… concerned about him and my own mage’s future so I went to Irving to find out if he and Lily had been as discreet as they thought as soon as they reveal their romance. I tell them I needed to think about it before agreeing to help. Finding out I’d been correct was a bit of a surprise and I sort of ended up revealing the escape plan. This was immediately followed by Irving requesting I go along with it in order to set them up to catch them red handed with no way for the Chantry to unfairly shield Lily from punishment. Cooperating with Irving took some thought and I agreed to do it through role play. Because of the phylactery of yours being locked away and hidden in Denerim, my mage Elizabeth Amell can’t escape with Jowan and Lily. Therefore it was in her best interest to side with Irving since the Circle owns her. So we betrayed him first. I actually felt pretty guilty about it during the actual mission and even chose dialogue where I only lied by omission (“Things are… different now. I’m ready to help.”) though I didn’t apologise when Irving revealed that I’d been working under his orders all along. “Your foolish plan was doomed from the start.” But then he used blood magic after telling me he never would even when I’d asked him directly and the guilt vanished. He and Lily had been fully prepared to leave Elizabeth behind to face the Circle alone if her part in the escape had been discovered. Only they would benefit from the scheme either way. I still dislike him.

[@silverwyhrecat5]

@@mikoto7693 That first playthrough as a mage, I was legitimately so angry with him. Because I believed the whole true love thing and whatever. Which is why I immediately started up another playthrough to see what would happen if I told Irving. I've had playthroughs where I legitimately told Irving about it. I've had playthroughs where I put the Circle above all others. I've had playthroughs full of violence against the Circle and the Templars. But that first one stuck in me and I've never gotten over it.

[@eemelikorteniemi3966]

Well there is the notably optional case of Dominique from Bloodstained: Ritual of the night. During the game, she warns you of the dangers of the shards you collect and will buy them off of your hands. In the end, it is revealed Dominique has been using the shards she bought to empower herself and eventually summon the demon Bael. Now, one can choose to not sell shards, which does remove her line about you giving her the shards she needed. Whether or not it affects the difficulty of the fight, I do not know.

[@azuredragoon2054]

AFAIK it doesn't affect the fight itself. But I did also suggest this character. At least she's all hero in Curse of the Moon 2.

[@Goldenkitten1]

I never finished the game and I don't mind the spoiler since if I ever do it'll be a long time from now. But I specifically remember her saying that my first thought was "This is the game telling me that if I collect too many shards and use them I'll get the bad ending...better sell any I'm not going to use". ....what? Me, gullible? I think what you mean is good at seeing in between the lines. What, a giant demon? No~~~~ surely not.

[@eemelikorteniemi3966]

@@Goldenkitten1 I think I didn't sell shards because I wanted a good ending, I think I sold them because more than nine or ten of a single shard is useless. Greed was my downfall, I suppose

[@insertclevername4123]

How much arguing did it take from Mike and Jane to keep Andy from filling every spot with stranger quests from Red Dead?

[@connorcrehan3409]

Another Persona example is from Persona 5 where the evil conspiracy tricks the phantom thieves into focusing on a specific target who the conspiracy then kills and makes the Phantom thieves look like murderers which turns the public against them

[@phantomnite]

You mean Akechi?

[@epicaustin17]

I think you’re talking about Goro Akechi. Also in my opinion I don’t believe that Akechi tricked the Phantom Thieves into doing horrible things. Ren (P5 Protagonist) and Morgana knew that Akechi had an ulterior motive after Akechi wanted to make a deal with the Phantom Theives.

[@Jayde419]

@@epicaustin17 No, they're talking about Okumura, Haru's father. Hackers made it look like the public wanted the Thieves to go after so that they would go after him and then he was murdered, making it look like the Phantom Thieves killed him.

[@epicaustin17]

@@Jayde419 Oh my bad. I thought they were talking about when Akechi told them to target Sae. I knew about the Okumura situation since I recently played Persona 5 Royal. I apologize for making that mistake.

[@lilhypnotique]

Actually Persona 5 would be Spoliers: Igor who is not the real Igor but Yaldabaoth, who split Lavanza into Caroline and Justine so she/they would forget who they are, then manipulated Joker and the rest of the Phantoms Theives into basically making his job easier to take over humankind with lies and sending them down to be locked in mementos. All the bosses escaped the lower parts of Mementos and created castles, so you were just sending them back to their doom, and realizing him in the real world to take over.

[@WhiteFangofWar]

Another duplicitous mentor, Barlowe of Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia, tricks Shanoa into reuniting and using the three pieces of the Dominus Glyph despite fellow disciple Albus' attempts to keep them from her. Turns out this mystic anti-Dracula order was actually seeking his resurrection, who knew? That's like a station of firefighters starting to worship fire.

[@SgtSupaman]

1. It feels like the plan of the "glorious strategist" training someone else to kill his target just to then kill his student actually worked perfectly, but it had to randomly fail at the end because plot. Nothing really wrong with his strategy, he just didn't take into consideration that the writers wanted him to lose. 7. Shay wasn't tricked into it. None of the assassins knew what would happen. The game, in an attempt to make Shay's betrayal believable, glazes over the fact that there is absolutely no reason for these artifacts to exist when they don't grant powers (like all the other first-civ artifacts in that world) but are simply there to...tear apart the nearby area if they get bumped out of place? It's almost like there is no way to have a reasonable and relatable character betray the good guys to join the inarguably evil side without contriving some lore-breaking plot holes.

[@MasterBeast46]

How is it lore-breaking?

[@SgtSupaman]

@@MasterBeast46 , the first civilization created incredibly advanced devices with their technology. Being that it is super complex technology, it was created with specific purposes in mind. The "pieces of Eden" in this game only serve the plot. They have no other reason to actually exist. As much as I liked having a game where we got to try out the other side, they tried too hard to switch the good/bad sides just so the player could still be the 'good guy'.

[@MasterBeast46]

@@SgtSupaman You could argue that it's plot-convenience or contrived but you haven't actually explained how it's "lore-breaking". A proper example of lore-breaking is like with Fallout's inconsistency when it comes to whether or not Jet was a pre-war or post-war invention or with the Last Jedi's Hyper-Space ramming that, if you thought about the ramifications for more than two seconds, completely breaks the setting.

[@soulstealer5625]

@@SgtSupaman i mean they got explained to me as foundation rods of the earth. They exist to stabilise areas and removing them causes immense damage. Makes sense to me that casually tinkering with advanced alien tech with no certain knowledge on their capabilities is a bad idea.

[@SgtSupaman]

@@soulstealer5625 , that is a clear function, except it doesn't track with the established story. The Earth existed before the first civilization (nothing says they created the planet) and stabilizes itself. A location on Earth would not be inherently unstable and, while it could become unstable, it would not remain that way for hundreds of thousands of years. So why would the first civ care about making devices that stabilize a specific area while, simultaneously, maintaining (if not exacerbating) its instability? We could make up some theories why these exist, sure, but it doesn't fit right with the first civ as we know them at this point, and there is certainly no explanation provided by the game itself.

[@Nynzy]

I really loved Shuji Ikutsuki in Persona 3 and was not expecting his heel turn at all as I trusted and adored his dorkiness~

[@AdamAddictL]

How is Bioshock 1 NOR 2 *NOT* on this list??? Literally in Bioshock 1 Frank Fontaine sends you to kill Andrew Ryan for him…sure Ryan himself makes you do the deed,but Fontaine SET you on the path,disguised as a different person! AND THEN in Bioshock 2,Sofia Lamb turned your guide Sinclair into a Alpha series Big Daddy tricking you into KILLING HIM just to get a key off him!

[@mitty9109]

Would you kindly?

[@battlesheep2552]

I don't think it counts as "tricking" if brainwashing is involved

[@aparker1044]

I have another: Working with the Klaxxi in World of Warcraft. You grind up reputation with them and slowly awaken their best warriors who are encased in amber...only for these guys to eventually be a raid boss YOU must defeat later. A hard fight that is your own fault for waking them up!

[@karmicrespite5737]

Technically speaking that’s not betrayal, that’s working together for convenience. Get to max reputation with them and they’ll lead you to a secret area and basically say “We’re still going to fight and kill for our god, but you are free to join us out of respect”. Because it’s an MMO and not a choice based game, you can’t side with them once they follow up on the awakening of their god.

[@idrios]

Also from vanilla WoW (removed in Cata though), there was a quest chain for some rando npc in Tanaris where you collect tablets for him, then get an egg for him, and when you bring everything he calls you an idiot and runs to Zul'Gurub and summons Hakkar the Soulflayer.

[@UrvineSpiegel]

Clara changed me as a person. I never felt so used and betrayed in my life. I carry that guilt and suspicion to this day.

[@grandmasterace4785]

CAn you do confront her later or something or does she just get away with it?

[@ARUCARDFTEPES]

@@grandmasterace4785 I'm pretty sure the mission ends for good right after he says goodbye to the widow, he wouldn't hunt down a woman anyway I imagine.

[@thomasgiral]

Are we going to forget that Ares literally tricked Kratos into destroying an entire village and killing his wife & daughter?

[@chojiackimichi]

Well, yes, but YOU, the player, don't do that. That is what you see in a cutscene.

[@thomasgiral]

@@chojiackimichi fair enough

[@MarkDeSade100]

He didn't trick him into destroying the village. Kratos knew he was sent there to kill everyone in the village and was fine with that. But he didn't know his wife and daughter were there.

[@thomasgiral]

@@MarkDeSade100 But Ares did, and he most likely sent him there because he knew he would kill them, and that would either torment him or fuel his rage. But it backfired as we can see, even at the end of the cinematic he says “Ares you will pay for what you did that night” so idk id say that’s a trick

[@MarkDeSade100]

@@thomasgiral I know that. Ares' plan was to get Kratos to eliminate his family so that he wouldn't have any emotional attachments to anything, making him "the perfect warrior". My point was that Kratos wasn't tricked into killing all the other people there.

[@Username18981]

I guess you could use another from Elder Scrolls Oblivion when you infiltrate the blackwood company for the fighters guild, do drugs, and slaughter a village while tripping balls.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

In fairness, Modryn Oryn had no idea that would happen when he sent you there.

[@ichijofestival2576]

I can't be the only one who could tell from a single glance that Shuji Ikutsuki was a bad guy.

[@lilhypnotique]

Soon as he showed up, I was like yea he about to betray us. He gave off more creeper vibes than Hippy Jesus!

[@thecommanderplays5651]

Its a Design Choice to make him someone you know you can't trust... well It worked

[@boffkartoff4763]

Tbh, when i first saw him i was like ,,Damn, he is probably the villain". He then he said a pun and i got immediatly fooled by him.

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

The first give away for me was the existence of Strega. Like, Game tells you majority of people who know about shadows and the dark hour are either dead, or have some kind of connection to Ikutsuki, so the fact there's an assassin group out there operating during the dark hour? I figured there was something we weren't being told

[@liamnehren1054]

The P3 portion: Jane telling us she secretly distrusts Ian from Eurogamer and his PUNS!

[@Aozame]

Divinity 2's whole main plot, especially in the original version of the game where it literally ends with the reveal that you were manipulated for like 95% of the game.

[@n_tas]

I was playing The Red Strings Club last night and there's a Metal Gear Solid reference in there that would fit this list - Liquid Snake tricks you into arming the nukes and Rex with the PAL key, feels pretty significant in terms of terribleness

[@rosediamond9926]

I remember volo from Pokémon legends arceus tricked me to thinking that he would assist me to find all of the plates scattered around the region but he ended up being the main villain and tried meet arceus himself and try to kill you.

[@konoikurozora5851]

My only thought is Anders in Dragon Age 2... Seriously, he's one of the biggest jerks, and the thing he made Hawke do is... I have no words. At least I'm glad we can deliver proper retribution. Rarely have I been so mad at a character...

[@antimon05]

While we're at The Elder Scrolls: also in Oblivion, when you infiltrate the Blackwood Company for the Fighters Guild, they make you drink some hallucinogenic stuff and send you to kill a bunch of goblins who turn out to be villagers: and in Skyrim, Jaree-Ra convinces you to put out the fire on Solitude Lighthouse, killing lots of innocent sailors

[@naomigreen9749]

When I saw Oblivion on that list I thought they were going to bring up the Fighters Guild mission.

[@moonyfruit]

Heckin' Jaree. 😠

[@robertbeisert3315]

Arguably, this applies to every summoner in FFX.

[@lauraadams4496]

The summoners were tricked by the bevelle, ultimately by yu yevon and those that follow the teachings that were made to keep the cycle of death going. By manipulating folks need for hope the people trying to save the world, the sunmoners and al bhed were forced into the cycle as well. I hope this helped.

[@phillipminer3554]

The Kirby franchise is full of examples of this. One of the more famous examples is Return to Dreamland’s final boss Magolor, who tricks you into fetching a power-granting crown for him. Kirby isn’t evil. He’s just gullible.

[@Kraleck]

The Final Fantasy series has a few jerk moments like this. In Final Fantasy 7, you get tricked into collecting the Black Materia. Final Fantasy X has Yu Yevon fooling people into creating an entire religion of Summoning to give it pseudo-immortality through a 10-year ritual cycle to kill the last guy who finished said ritual. Final Fantasy 15's Ardyn pushes you to become powerful enough to kill him with a method that, whether you win or lose the ensuing fight, outright kills you and ends his brother's bloodline as he wanted in the first place.

[@deathbykonami5487]

AC Rogue pretty much answers the question of why Connor and Achilles never really clicked as Mentor-Disciple. Connor still respected him for training him, but when it came to Connor's motivations afterward, well his words to Aveline speak volumes.

[@shadowblitzer3472]

I never really liked Achilles in AC3 so seeing him act like that in Rogue only made me dislike him even more. Story-wise rouge was a mess in my opinion, I kept wishing there was some sort of justice for Shay.

[@deathbykonami5487]

@@shadowblitzer3472 Well Achilles gets shot in the leg by Haytham at the end and Shay and Haytham practically ended the American Brotherhood.

[@shadowblitzer3472]

@@deathbykonami5487 Clown on Clown violence

[@jennybrown7834]

Fable 2&3! When your character gets Lucians diary it's made clear that he and a whole bunch of other people where manipulated by Theresa for the soul purpose of building the tower and Theresa herself orchestrated you and your sister buying the music box knowing it would end in either your sister or you dying just so your character would go on rampage of revenge against Lucian killing him so she can freely move into the tower and bye the time fable 3 comes along its reveled the final boss's you have to fight are only here because of the tower attracting them and waking them up !

[@silverwyhrecat5]

It's been a while since I played Fable, but couldn't the Guildmaster join the list too? Or...wait. No. He's just manipulative. But also from Fable 2&3, our favorite homicidal Skill User. "Yeah, I'll help you if you go do this thing for me." Forces me to choose who to sacrifice so he can keep being immortal. And then also betrays me. I'm still pissed about that. But also, I respect him for it.

[@thehunterjk2521]

A more recent example is Matias from Cris Tales. He spends the majority of the game in the unthreatening form of a frog with a top hat, teaches Crisbell everything she knows, helps her gather allies, and stands by her when she confronts the seemingly final boss. Then he stabs her in the back, turns her allies against her, and tries to destroy the world.

[@JaidynReiman]

I'm surprised anyone remembers this game. It was recent but the loading times and glitches turned a lot of people off. (I 100% completed it and enjoyed it despite its flaws.)

[@thehunterjk2521]

@@JaidynReiman I literally just played it on my Series X. No loading time issues or glitches for me. The only problems I saw were a couple translation errors.

[@AldoLop]

@@JaidynReiman thanks I will try and finish this game, like you said loading screen waiting time and the white screen before every battle were a serious issue since it's a RPG game. (I have a series S)

[@3TeamsMedia]

"There's only one survivor in the village." "The villagers are trying to piece their lives back together... some of them got better."

[@ariannamonson4092]

A suggestion for if you do a commmentor's edition: Matt Engarde from Ace Attorney: Justice For All's last case. He hires an assassin to a) kill the victim then b) kidnap Phoenix's assistant Maya and hold her ransom for his acquittal, leading him to almost convict an innocent woman.

[@saberx2321]

Yesss this was a really good plot twist for AA.

[@kevinwatkins3710]

I'm surprised they forgot the shady rodian you encounter on Manaan in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. The guy invites you to a secret assassins guild where he then uses you to kill all the other leaders so he can be the leader.

[@user-pq5ux6ip4i]

Oh, indeed. The GenoHaradan.

[@kevinwatkins3710]

@@user-pq5ux6ip4i that was definitely an interesting storyline

[@DevinSilverVids]

You being tricked into doing something terrible or helping the bad guy all along by completing the objective. *WoW players*: "Your first time?"

[@thatgayliengremlinp4766]

Wait, people really don't think Ikutsuki is shady af 0.2 seconds after meeting him?

[@chukyuniqul]

...I didn't. But I was a kid a the time so...

[@thatgayliengremlinp4766]

@@chukyuniqul That's fair honestly! I was just surprised because the guy who introduced me to Persona through the P3 anime looked at me like I'd grown a second head when I just said "So he's the villain right?"... I'd like to call it intuition but its probably got more to do with his character design

[@StayFrostee_]

I was born in 2007, got into the persona series almost 2 years ago on December 1st. Persona 3 was the second one I looked at and played after 5, as my brother was giving me recommendations on what persona games are worth playing. I couldn't play it at the time, so I just watched those 4 movies instead. I really hadn't expected ikutsuki to be a villain at all. There's one scene that made me suspicious but my memory of it is a bit off since I watched/played it last over a year ago. Persona 4's twist villain was unfortunate for me though, about 6 months later he recommended persona 4 to me and straight up spoiled who the killer was immediately. I still enjoyed seeing how it all came together though, so I don't mind as much as I thought. I didn't play any of these games when they were still the latest game, but I honestly preferred it. After all, persona 4 is my favourite game of all time now, and the anime is one I come back to incredibly often

[@joaolima7131]

@@StayFrostee_ your brother is kinda clueless, one should know better not to give spoilers, but glad it didn't spoiled your experience

[@angel_aeon]

I'm pretty sure somewhere in the notes they specifically designed him to look like 'someone your instincts tell you not to trust' lmao.

[@Hiswf_]

a similar thing to what sun li did was magolor from kirbys return to dreamland: first he asks kirby to defeat an innocent dragon, once you have done that he then betrays you and wants to destroy planet pop.

[@professorplum3858]

Holy crap, I didn't know there was anyone out there that remembered Loom. It's just a great game you never hear about

[@nihlusspectre9284]

Jade Empire is one of my favorite games and I'm so happy to see that it's been getting a lot of attention lately!

[@adamreddick1349]

I'll never forget how Airy in Bravely Default got the party killed literally thousands of times over so an evil god can devour the multiverse

[@spectrevampire]

Neo Cortex manages to trick Crash into gathering all the crystals in the second Crash Bandicoot game by tricking him into thinking it'll save the planet. To be fair, though, Crash is the type to be easily tricked.

[@logansheffield8641]

If there's a part two to this list, Fontaine from Bioshock needs to be on the list.

[@silverwyhrecat5]

Alternatively, Andrew Ryan. I...definitely did not want to do that when I first got to that point.

[@logansheffield8641]

@@silverwyhrecat5 Both of them could be individual spots on a list like that.

[@roguishpaladin]

The betrayal of your forces (including a still-human Sarah Kerrigan) by Acturus Mengsk in the original Starcraft definitely belongs here.

[@III_SLEEP_III]

YES!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Avenging this in the sequel sure was worth it.

[@azuredragoon2054]

While that was definitely part of the campaign, I don't think it really counts since it's basically a cutscene action.

[@Bluebedo]

Absolutely. Especially with it turning out everything he did before was just part of his plan to take power for himself and get rid of the people who helped him reach it.

[@roguishpaladin]

@@azuredragoon2054 I think it does count, since your victories in the Terrain campaign are what puts Mengsk in a situation to attack Tarsonis at all. Sure, the player is railroaded into doing it, but that's true for lots of entries here.

[@korihime]

I was gonna watch a DB stream VOD first, but then I saw that this had Ikutsuki as the title card. I'm a sucker for Persona 3 in all forms, immediately. Great video, OX.

[@AngelBeatYunara]

Nice to see Jade Empire and AC Rogue on the list already!

[@chadflanaganCFC]

No mention of Celembrimbor or Darth Vader, I mean Cele tricks talion for two full games and multiple enslaved orc armies all in a bid to replace and dominate Sauron all for Cele's own revenge, and Vader tricked and used StarKiller to and I quote "root out the emperor's enemies" with the express intention as it turns out to kill each and every one of said enemies

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

It's kinda suggested that's not Celebrimbor's plan until the second game: he supposedly poured his remaining humanity into crafting the ring, so with the ring powering whoever is wearing it(Talion or Eltariel), Celebrimbor shifts from wanting to slay Sauron for revenge, to wanting to dominate him. First game his main crime is not informing Talion he can't reunite with his family while the two are together, and bonding himself to him without Talion's consent, but the betrayal in the original plan wasn't there until some point after the New Ring was crafted(supposedly it's also how Talion was able to hold off joining the Naz'ghul for so long, Celebrimbor's humanity stayed with him even after he abandoned Talion, bolstering his willpower)

[@chadflanaganCFC]

@@QuickSilverKitsune When I said Cele tricked Talion I was referring to his lie of "You are banished from death." As it's really a dick move to just not tell him honestly what actually was going on, and a clear sign that in War maybe you shouldn't trust him all that much.

[@riverhall-geib5307]

I'm kinda surprised they didn't mention how Dormin tricked wander into killing 16 innocent colossi and bringing him back

[@ttd0000]

That wasn't really tricking, was it? "Revive my girlfriend, please." "This is a terrible idea, but sure. Before I do, would you mind killing these sixteen giant statue creatures?" "Then you'll revive her?" "Yep." "OK."

[@Midnight-wh2bs]

Wander was well aware of what Dormin was and Dormin outright warns Wander that there are grave consequences for what he is requesting. Wander wasn't tricked or betrayed, he just didn't care and knowingly accepted the consequences so long as Mono was revived. The only way that Wander would've been tricked/betrayed was if Dormin didn't actually revive Mono, but they do revive her so Wander got what he wanted and he was willing to accept the consequence of that (being possessed by Dormin).

[@caphowdy666]

Sorry Jane, I was talking to the boss at Square Enix (Dave Square-Enix I believe his name is) the other day and he says after the upcoming FF16, they will only be doing two more Final Fantasy games. 17 and 18.

[@deansummers4234]

It may have been a cutscene, but Ares probably did Kratos the worst deal if we're being fair.

[@zulubunsen9067]

The Legacy of Kain series has a revolving door policy when it comes to manipulators. The title of Secretary of the Manipulariat probably goes to Moebius the Time Streamer. Towards the end of Blood Omen, he sends Kain (already manipulated by a bunch of other people by this time) back in time to deal with the "Nemesis" before he starts his conquest of the land -- but back then he was still William the Just and his death at the hand of seemingly a vampire assassin allows Moebius to start a vampire hunting craze (which later turns out to be its own very bad idea). And to top it all, Moebius was advising William too, so he has a hand in the latter becoming the Nemesis in the first place. And then on top of even that, Moebius himself was also already manipulated by the Elder God -- who also manipulates Raziel into killing off his brethren vampires in the far future, so he might as well be called the Elder Manipulator.

[@angelshade00]

Yes! I can't believe I had to scroll so far down the comments to see Moebius, Arch-Manipulator extraordinaire, mentioned!

[@eponymouselias]

What about Bhelen in Dragon Age Origins? He tricked me into murdering my brother, can’t believe I actually fell for that…

[@MiriOhki]

Kreia having you gather the last of the Jedi masters so she can off them in KOTOR2 would definitely count, even if she's more suspicious than a planet full of Palpatines.

[@cyanimation1605]

k but the full extent of her plan is so complex it took like 3 laythroughs for me to totally get it. Even gameplay mechanics feature into it without breaking the fourth wall.

[@balazssamu2650]

Fallout 3, where Betty (Dr. Stanislaus Braun) tricks you into murdering the residents of Tranquility Lane. Although that rampage can be avoided by activating the failsafe, which still kills everyone, but without you losing karma.

[@rudebega1494]

Man, Loom was the first game I ever played and completed on my own. I think I was like. Eight? Anyway, the Bishop’s gruesome death haunted my tiny baby brain for years and yeeeears. Still mad we never got the sequels

[@ReiAyanami8]

This is basically what happens with Pyron in Kid Icarus Uprising. You think he's helping you to get rid of the alien invaders, the Aurum, during what many players of the game have come to refer to as the "anime filler arc" of the game, when he was actually planning to take control of them.

[@tomsyalad9556]

If you're going to do a follow-up video, I'd like to suggest Maxwell from Don't Starve, who tricks each of the other playable characters into being pulled into the nightmarish wilderness of The Constant where the rest of the franchise is set.

[@anyawiggins5921]

Surprised that Smodur from Guild Wars 2 Icebrood saga didn’t make this list. He makes you drop a searing crystal into an enemy’s workshop, killing all of those innocent workers inside. And if you refuse to drop the crystal, Rytlock does it for you. Thanks buddy! I had an awful feeling about Smodur’s plan from the beginning and now we have innocent Charr blood on our hands. I told you not to do it!

[@mantis638]

Continuing with the persona series, wanna talk about Igor in P5/P5R? Who would of thought your ally in the prior games turned out to be possessed by the holy grail and wanted to take over all of humanity? Another one: Airy from Bravely Default

[@liamnehren1054]

It was kind of foreshadowed that something was wrong with him because of the velvet room's appearance, even when it's a car in P4 it's still basically a swanking limo with alcohol. Now I think P4 Igor was running away and was caught.

[@gilgazack9403]

Possessed? He was like captured on a ball thingy also may be mistaken but the holy grail was like doing Igor's job just to show him he would still defeat the protagonist with the extra help it provided

[@jackshizuho1491]

(I reposted since i couldn't edit some grammar) I don't know if persona counts since he wasn't really Igor, but Airy hell yeah. I loved the Bravely Default Where the fairy flies title changed to "Airy lies"

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

That wouldn't really fit here IMO. It's true that Yaldabaoth was manipulating the Joker the whole time, but never really tricked him into doing anything terrible. He just set Joker and the Phantom Theives up to be screwed over by his game once he dropped the facade at the end. Also, Igor wasn't possessed, he was imprisoned, then impersonated by Yaldabaoth. A better example of protagonists being tricked into doing terrible things from Persona is if you're tricked into killing Namatame near the end of Persona 4, triggering a bad ending where Adachi gets away with his crimes. It wasn't a direct manipulation, but Adachi did trick Namatame into nearly killing a ton of people, which in turn tricks the Investigation Team into thinking he's a murderer, and killing him if they don't keep their heads in that scene, so I'd say it still counts.

[@Joe90h]

@@liamnehren1054 The Velvet Room is supposed to take a form that represents the guest's coming journey. For P3 it was an elevator because of Tartarus (And potentially ascension to the afterlife as a protector), for P4 it was a car to represent the main character's move to the middle of nowhere (Plus his power was awakened at a gas station). Yaldabaoth probably did alter the Velvet Room, but it being a jail cell is also perfectly thematically appropriate given the character's journey is to break their shackles and prove to society he's not the criminal it thinks he is. That said, the fact it didn't change shape for Persona 5 Strikers was kind of lazy, as the jail cell no longer really fit imo.

[@shivashiham7880]

Can we talk about how Citan Uzuki from Xenogears casually watched the protagonists (unknowingly) consume *processed human flesh* before revealing to them what they just did to prove the already-beaten-to-death point that the bad guys are evil? And he's supposed to be a good guy.

[@ladyabaxa]

Citan is so shady overall that when The Dark Id did a letsplay of that game there was a bonus update at the end that was simply a list of Citan's shadiness. It was titled "Dr. Citan Uzuki - Xenogears' Greatest ASSHOLE" and ended up being quite lengthy because Citan Uzuki spent a lot of time in that game being an asshole.

[@charlesthompson8743]

What about liquid snake tricking solid snake into activating Metal Gear Rex? I was shook to my core.

[@Chilie5678]

I definitely think Anders from Dragon Age 2 deserves a mention. Since he does trick you into getting the supplies for bombs and then provide a distraction so he can place said bombs to blow up a building full of innocent people.

[@VentusFury]

Mantorok not being on this list is so weird. He may look weak and trapped, but after the first two chapters, you rarely ever see his enemy types rather then the other 3 gods. And if you beat the game in all 3 endings, it's implied he planned it all, for you to give him the "sole god" title

[@MrIcePho3nix]

To be fair, the "terrible thing" that Mantorok tricks you into doing amounts to stopping a thousands of years long plot to take over/destroy/WORSE humanity in three separate timelines simultaneously, and iirc it never seems like his motivation extends beyond revenge against the gods in question.

[@tomaszsotysik9438]

Maybe because the referance you gave is so obscure I had to google "Mantorok" even though I played Eternal Darkness (and still I'm not even sure you are talking about that game). Beyond some of the mechanics, the game is rather forgettable.

[@VentusFury]

@@tomaszsotysik9438 it was and in defense of "obscurities", they referenced it once before. Seems to be what they target in the comment edition of these videos. If I got something out of context I'll accept the hate, but jeez, I kinda liked the game for it's time 😅

[@VentusFury]

@@MrIcePho3nix still pretty terrible in my book, makes you (hypothetically) go through the loop 3 times til the 3 gods are dead, having the same people go through the tortures each cycle (indirectly), besides him to do what you said. Leaving no God to oppose him again. What is 1000s of years to gods? It's just my perspective on this almost 20 year old game.

[@Sogeking79]

Man, going through the third playthrough was rough. Especially when there was no guarantee of a payoff. Totally worth it. I wish I still had time to invest in games like that. The sanity stuff was fun, but the different enemy types were the best.

[@hungrytaco6879]

You know what’s even worse about the king in Ff4 ? He’s the one that named Cecil

[@TheNightAngel1017]

Seeing FFIV unlocked a core memory lmao. Pretty sure that was the first game I played where I was made to witness a genocide.