7 Fates Worse Than Death You Gave Your Unlucky Enemies | Part 2

[@jeanetten.s.8557]

I’m convinced that not being allowed to show death in a video game just gives developers the very morbid creative challenge of thinking up fates worse than death.

[@wargrizzero5158]

That’s what happened to so many cartoons, including Batman the Animated Series. All of those ppl frozen with Joker faces? That was the creators being told they couldn’t have him kill people.

[@tnuoccaekafsi9808]

Cue ATLA and at least 5 of the strongest benders from history saying to murder someone, leaving the crew of an airship in the middle of the ocean, leaving the previous avatar to their death, and Kiyoshi literally killing someone on screen in a flashback.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Murder wasn't really said much on avatar.

[@drdoominstien713]

@@wargrizzero5158 I always assumed they were dead and that terrified me

[@stellleo]

Intern: Boss, the game's rated E for Everyone! We can't kill that guy! Game Dev: _THEN MAKE HIM SUFFER FOR ALL ETERNITY_ Intern: Good idea.

[@Kentrc11]

Geras mentioned in a interaction with Scorpion that a passing Leviathan got him out of the Sea Of Blood, but the example is still valid.

[@Batman-ys2qy]

yea but are intros canon to the mortal kombat universe?

[@Kentrc11]

@@Batman-ys2qy The interactions that fill in story plotholes do. Scorpion's talk with Liu Kang revealed how he got pass the Shaolin traps, Raiden's talk with Liu Kang revealed "He Must Win" was a deception from Kronika, Cetrion's talk with Shao Khan revealed why Kronika bought back both Earthrealm & Outworld fighters.

[@Arkx919]

It’s unfortunate that Geras found a get out of jail for free card. Would’ve preferred that walking plot armour stewed in the sea of blood for all eternity.

[@Leostar-Regalius]

@@Batman-ys2qy it can be 50/50 depending, but it's all up to the creators, especially if they make a mk12(which would be at the time of Armageddon)

[@Leostar-Regalius]

@@Kentrc11 those are in the story though, he's talking about the vs mode and stuff

[@NathanWeeks]

In Fallout 4: Nuka World, the inventor of Nuka-Cola, John-Caleb Bradberton, is just a preserved head in a jar thanks to not bothering to ask about the details of the immortality project he insisted on taking part in. He begs you to kill him, and you have the option of either shutting down the power to the machine keeping him alive, or leaving him to listen to Sierra Petrovita squeal about all things Nuka-Cola for what will definitely feel like an eternity. I know he isn't technically an enemy, but he is responsible for that damn Nuka-Cola song that can't be shut off in the park!

[@nicholascross3557]

Yes, but _what if_ there *was* a place with all the zip! of Nuka Cola, wouldn't that be the cheer-cheer-cheeriest place in _all_ the World?

[@mikoto7693]

The funny part is that a better solution lies within the lore itself. He has an intact brain so the Sole Survivor could team up with the Mechanist to turn him into a Robobrain. So long as no enslavement protocols are in place Bradburton would have a body of sorts.

[@OkamiRaoki]

@@mikoto7693 And as we all know: One (or two) spot(s) in a Vault for rich Robobrain people just became vacant.

[@francescoragnoni8042]

All fallout related worst than death scenarios were covered in the last video.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

other bit in fallout NV's, the big MT you get your brain ripped out, put in a jar and replaced with a tv antenna by a bunch of lunatic brains in jars

[@AsterInDis]

Can't help but notice the 1000 g bounty that you got when you turned that person into a sweetroll - meaning, for at least the guards, you basically killed the person.

[@Orthanderis]

Naa, turning someone into a sweetroll is its own level of violent crime

[@dillonandrews9904]

Not to mention you can see the pile of ashes he turns into before the sweet roll pops up

[@Alsebra]

​@@dillonandrews9904, that's possibly due to how the game deals with that effect...the NPC is "killed" and the sweetroll is spawned in its place and, since there's no time limit, the NPC won't be spawned in again (unless you do it with console commands, that is).

[@danieldancza6171]

Making Alexius tranquil? What about Erimond from the "here lies the abyss" mission? He doesn't care what sentence you give him because he believes if he dies he joins corypheus, and if you imprison him he believes corypheus will save him. Being made tranquil was the only thing he feared. He actually tried to resist when you sentence him to tranquility.

[@konradpeiper]

Well, Alexius is far more likeable than Erimond, since he is working for Corypheus to save his son, and he surrenders peacefully when he iunderstands his time spell has failed. Also, he shows poise and is honorable in his surrender, and is willing to succesfully work for the Inquisitor if you allow him. Erimond, on the other hand, is a self-serving megalomaniac. So even though making either of them tranquil is a fate worse than death, doing it to Alexius makes you look more like a jerk.

[@mikoto7693]

I’m actually guilty of inflicting Tranquility on Erimond. I spared Alexius and had him doing magical research for the Inquisition.

[@RTitleySage]

I made the suggestion on the previous video before I met Erimond in my first Mage playthrough so I didn't know it was an option for him too, so specifying Alexius may be my fault for not knowing Erimond's a better demonstration

[@jkristoff88]

@@mikoto7693 Hard Same. Erimond deserved it

[@Its_Pronounced_Heezee]

Isn't tranquility the *usual* punishment for mages that do a bad?

[@clericofchaos1]

So many options...how about in KOTOR 2 when you defeat Atris near the end of the game? You have the option of doing several things to her but what is considered the cruelest option is leaving her to mercy of all the sith holocrons she's amassed over the years. The holocrons do not possess the power to kill Atris but they can worm their way into the deepest parts of her mind. Driving her mad and inflicting mental tortures on her for the rest of her days.

[@MrXXAntonXx]

Eh, sounds like Tuesday to me.

[@ShieTar_]

​@@MrXXAntonXx Yeah, Tuesdays are bad ...

[@rokeYouuer]

@@ichijofestival2576 While the results are the same, the process is much, much worse.

[@clericofchaos1]

@@ichijofestival2576 good point. Still, i think the "spirit" of the question is that it would be more merciful to kill her immediately rather than leave her to suffer for who knows how long.

[@JachAnen]

@@ichijofestival2576 There are characters in the game that is kept alive by the force, so it's definitely not certain she would die when her body should

[@FredCDobbs-rd5wi]

The first time I played Bioshock 2, I killed Gil on the assumption that that was clearly the most merciful thing to do for the same reasons that Andy laid out. I was utterly gobsmacked later on when I learned that that was the "wrong" decision as far as the developers were concerned. [Edited to remove incorrect comment.] What the fuck was going on in the writer's room when they decided on this?

[@arkauthor]

I know, seems reverse consider you left a man to suffer forever just to get the GOOD ending.

[@Danceofmasks]

Apparently killing only Gil doesn't lock you out of the ending.

[@thegamingbadger5940]

@@Danceofmasks If you save all little sisters and don’t kill all three people, you get the best ending. It’s how I did it even though I killed Alexander and Poole.

[@imjustsomeguy5048]

Sparing Gill doesn't leave him locked in the tank: before you make the decision, he begs to let him live and tells you that he'll escape into the sea. While a bit controversial, I can understand how this decision could be considered the most merciful one, since new Gill seems to not mind his current state.

[@Danceofmasks]

@@thegamingbadger5940 I was only repeating what I heard. I killed everyone 'cos I didn't give a fuck.

[@andymcp4752]

Surprised each entry in this list doesn’t begin and end with Andy doing a Rod Serling impression, wearing a suit and smoking heavily Consider if you will Geras from MK11, a more blood thirsty combatant there never was.. *drags half a cigarette* ..but Geras might find that drink comes with unlimited refills when you buy a combo meal deal, here, in the Twilight Zone..

[@itsjustnathan293]

I reread this comment 30 times and laughed harder every time, then took the time to explain to someone both the lore of Mortal Kombat and the format of the end of the Twilight zone just to laugh at it again. Day's made.

[@mar_speedman]

I feel like there's never been a *less* blood thirsty combatant, considering he got to drink nothing but blood for all eternity

[@Kefkaesque13]

@@mar_speedman I mean, that's where the "unlimited refills" part of the joke comes in.

[@anarky1765]

Do androids dream of electric sheep? We may never know. But we do know the dreams of one Carl Semken, a man whose soul has departed this Earth, but whose mind remains trapped within a mechanical body, dreaming of his lost humanity. But Mr. Semken’s dream is about to become a nightmare from which he can never awaken. A nightmare the likes of which can only be found…in the Twilight Zone.

[@BloodyAngel88]

With Gil in Bioshock 2....his mind wasn't "split in two". Those were pre-recorded messages that he left before going insane and becoming the creature.

[@bboythekidstudios]

Honestly that’s probably not even the worst example from SOMA.

[@CodaBlair]

I've seen stuff on the lore of it and yeah. Technically their very existence is a fate worse than death for most of the people/robots there.

[@anthonypaparo]

It's not?? I thought it was horrifying!

[@bboythekidstudios]

@@anthonypaparo Play it. Once you get to the ending you'll see what I mean.

[@gdoubleu8045]

Very unsettling experience psychologically...but a great game too!

[@gothmissstress]

I couldn't finish playing soma because of how depressing it is. The gloom started to get to me in real life (tbh, I played in the mid 2020 so that's probably also one of the reasons). I just read the ending in wiki. Horrible, yes

[@eleanorsmith7152]

*Me, seeing the title of the Skyrim segment*: I wonder if we’ll see Jane’s sweet roll footage again? *Me, watching the sentient sweet roll rotate over the flames*: Yep, just as cruel the second time around!

[@iskdea8461]

I forgot if this was mentioned before or not, nevertheless I'll write it down: a non lethal route in Dishonored 2 against Kirin Jindosh. You basically fry his brain, and you can actually hear the consequences of that later in the Duke's manor

[@00blaat00]

Just basically any non-fatal option in Dishonored could be here. IIRC, you could brand the Cardinal to make him an outcast in D1, then later you'd see him as a plague-victim.

[@VeronicaWarlock]

@@00blaat00 Dishonored 2 was much better about this. Jindosh is the only one I feel bad about.

[@velvetsky3451]

as someone who did the jindosh riddle, i got more damage from him than he got from me

[@RainWelsh]

When you talk to him afterwards and he says “something terrible has happened” followed up by “kill me? Please, make me dead.” First time I did it I just sat there for a few seconds afterwards feeling bad about it.

[@VeronicaWarlock]

@@RainWelsh yeah. In the later recording in the Duke’s office he seems less distressed. I hope he’s happier.

[@docette2015]

Yeah, the sweetroll thing is pretty horrifying, I agree. Though I'm sure Sheograth considers it hilarious every time you turn someone into one and then eat them.

[@fixedG]

Pretty much everything you encounter in Soma is living a fate worse than death except for maybe the consciousnesses on the ark. But an eternity among the stars could devolve into hell too.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

From a certain point of view practical immortality is a curse aswell. The ark is still a prison even if it is a very large one.

[@somdudewillson]

@@jasperzanovich2504 The ARK won't stay up forever. And as long as WAU is left online, its more of a lifeboat, buying time for WAU to make a proper long-term solution.

[@GriffinWolf]

Just imagine if you used the wabbajack to knock someone out and then just continue beating them with it until they change into a seal. The sort of action only a monster could contemplate...

[@mar_speedman]

Or forgetting you were holding the wabbajack and hitting an enemy with it and accidentally turning it into a weird stalactite creature, then hitting it again a dozen times to turn it into a murlock type thing!

[@GriffinWolf]

@@mar_speedman I do really wonder what happened to that troglodyte afterwards... even if he didn't go on a murderous rampage through the wedding party, his presence alone (due to his noxious stench) would have knocked out quite a few people!

[@mar_speedman]

@@GriffinWolf If I had to guess, I'd say Johnny swept him under the carpet lol

[@oldmanpatterson79]

@@GriffinWolf crushed under the weight of plot armor!

[@oldmanpatterson79]

@@mar_speedman the way Mike tries to defend it as being "just on the pinky" was great. That was absolutely the best Egbert romp episode ever.

[@elid3630]

You know what’s even worse about the Carl being “electrocuted forever” is that the brain has no nerve endings meaning it cannot feel pain itself. So that pain he’s supposedly feeling is quite literally all in his head.

[@reetreet8561]

Did anyone else burst out laughing when they first heard Glados say "BECAUSE I’M A POTATO”

[@bekmogamingchannel]

Its funny

[@Dawn_Arts]

Sending the npcs in Bloodborne to Iosefkas clinic instead of the cathedral ward. They get turned into celestial minions and that's probably not preferable

[@harrishoin7950]

To be fair Oedon Chapel isn't much better if you send the suspicious beggar there lol, the most merciful thing you can do to the bloodborne npcs is leave them alone

[@manderic5436]

@@harrishoin7950 Nope, that just leads to a horrible death for them by the end of the night. You just don't see it.

[@Brasc]

How about when a game autosaves just before you get killed, automatically reloads your latest save, and you get unavoidably killed and reloaded repeatedly until you shut down the game and load a manual save much further back?

[@CodaBlair]

I was about to think that you meant Undertale when you fight Photoshop Flowey.

[@RokuHanmar]

Korega Requiem da

[@annana6098]

I think that made a list about bad game design a while back, where there is no other save to go back to, so now the game is just over.

[@blaacksugar7714]

You mean the rocket missle mission in Jak 3?

[@mar_speedman]

Yeah that's basically what happened to Glados!

[@pulsefel9210]

"glados is *ad starts* saving people hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual"

[@SolaScientia]

I think in the world of the Portal games, a lot more than 15 years goes by. I don't think it's confirmed how much time has passed, but it's been a while. GLaDOS's rage is perfectly justified in my opinion. At least flinging Wheatley out into space at the end is easier to do than grabbing all the spheres off GLaDOS at the end of the first game.

[@user-xu2pi6vx7o]

Can't have been THAT much time. The facility still has power and functioning machinery. Modern day lubricants become worthless in something like 10 years AT MOST, due to aging, for example. And even nuclear reactors need a complete overhaul every few decades, to keep running. And these are some of the longer lasting materials, usually found in such a facility.

[@SolaScientia]

@@user-xu2pi6vx7o It's a video game. Who knows the logic used, particularly when one considers what all Aperture Science was up to.

[@user-xu2pi6vx7o]

@@SolaScientia True, but it didn't seem like eternal lubricants were in cave johnson's agenda, for the facility. Incendiary lemons, yes, but not eternal lubricants.

[@SolaScientia]

@@user-xu2pi6vx7o I'm sure he left that to the low-level grunts to figure out while he focused on his incendiary lemons.

[@amagicalduck155]

The days in suspension counter at the start of the game is maxed out at 9,999,999. So at bare minimum it's been 27,397 years

[@bossfight1]

In certain intros between Geras and Scorpion once you beat the story mode, Geras says he “became food for a passing leviathan”, which allowed him to escape.

[@RicciReach]

I do believe those interactions are non-canon but it's still probable that it does happen at some point during that really long fall

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@RicciReach it's still a sea, that means the pressure of blood get's higher and higher, meaning leviathans can't live that deep.

[@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905]

@@MouldMadeMind Hmmm interesting. "Bottomless sea" essentially means a liquid planet, which is kinda possible in theory, so when Geras will reach the center of this liquid ball he will stop sinking and gonna float there. The problem with this is that anything that fall into a water will end up there too, so there certainly will be some sort of a solid ball there, which is kinda a bottom of the sea in some sense. Does not make it easier for Geras to escape, though. To be honest one doesn't really need a bottomless sea to deal with an immortal. Just bury him six feet under. Well, maybe a bit deeper just to be sure and he will have to wait for the next tectonic plate movement to escape.

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

@@MouldMadeMind The problem is that enough pressure would cause the sea to freeze. The more pressure you have, the easier it is for gases to become liquids, and liquids to become solids. Eventually he would hit a point where the sea is frozen because the pressure makes it freeze at a higher temperature. Not to mention, life at that depth typically adapts to the pressure, meaning that a leviathan that had no skeletal structure could adapted to have cartilage hard enough to keep it from being crushed while being flexible enough that being pushed in by the constant pressure won't break it. It could also have a long slender body to allow it to redirect pressure so that its strongest parts got the brunt of it.

[@joshuaridgway3230]

I haven’t played MK at all, but I assumed “The Sea of Blood” was somewhat mystical and could ignore some laws of physics. Like pressure and temperature.

[@pctech714]

The whole "being made Tranquil" bit of preventing mages from using magic is pretty much the same as Stilling from the Wheel of Time series. It popped right into my brain because the series comes out on Amazon today and I've also been reading the books for the last month.

[@DavidJoh]

Stilled mages at least retain enough of themselves that they can kill themselves.

[@daviddaugherty2816]

I'd argue that being stilled/gentled is worse since you still have the capacity to care. Still, one guy in Dragon Age 2 is temporarily cured and begs to he killed. If you think that's all similar to WoT, wait till you hear about what the qunari do to their mages.

[@danepeterson1211]

New Video Idea! Endings to games that were both sad and satisfying. "Sadisfying" if you will. My personal choice is the ending the first Dark Souls where neither ending is particularly happy, but both are touching and make you feel all sorts of ways. Or at least, they did for me.

[@GhengisJohn]

It's a good idea. Tack onto that the ending from the original fallout, which sees you saving your people but facing banishment for doing so.

[@shararm]

Metal gear solid 3

[@edwardgrimes7535]

Red Dead Redemption 2 and The Last Of Us Part 2.

[@Jonathon_Hennessey]

The dwellers in the dark ending from Code Vein in that ending the queen's resurrection is prevented and the successors are returned to normal but at the cost of Io absorbing the relics into her body.

[@iateitguy903]

Spoilers for Hollow Knight: Most of the endings to Hollow Knight end with the Knight dead (in the sense that they no longer have a physical body to do things, essentially going back to where they came from) or trapped for as long as they can resist the infection of Hallownest.

[@Chris_Sizemore]

In Void Bastards if you are on a prison barge you can turn on the Evaporators and lure your enemies into them. Your enemies get dehydrated and packaged, just like you were at the start of the game. They could be rehydrated at any time ... but you use them as components to create more gadgets to help you escape the Space Sargasso that your prison transport is stuck in.

[@robertwilsonjr.1384]

The Gil Alexander thing in Bioshock 2 has bothered me ever since I first played the game a decade ago. It really feels like killing him would be the real merciful option given his condition, but the game marks it as a bad thing to do.

[@somdudewillson]

Because the original Gil is already dead at that point. The new individual known as Gil is perfectly happy with their body, and would very much like to not die.

[@persephoneunderground845]

@@somdudewillson reminds me of a quote: "It would turn you into a monster." "Yes, but a happy monster." (Summer Knight, Jim Butcher)

[@NeoTechni]

She relived her death 15 years / 2 minutes = 3,944,615.75 times Since 15 years was not exact, we might as well round it to an even 4 million

[@TheArklyte]

Tranquility in Dragon Age is reversible though. As much as it sounds as magical lobotomy, as it turns out it was invented for Seekers and Templars for different purpose. Thedas setting LOVES lying to the player...

[@shewillsmash]

The chantry will do everything in it's power to keep it from being reversed though. It's also dangerous to be reversed, going from having no emotions to feeling everything all at once

[@persephoneunderground845]

Ooh I didn't know that! Fascinating.

[@philippegauvin-vallee9371]

That reminds of show called Forever. The main character (Henry) was "cursed" to immortality: his body stopped aging when he was shot and dumped in the sea in the 1800s, and when he died afterwards, he is teleported to the nearest large body of water, completely healed and naked. In the 21st century, he encounters another person with (allegedly) a similar affliction. Those suspicions turn into certainty when the "newcomer" commits several violent crimes and gets hurt. His blood is found on one of the crime scenes and analyzed. Contains trace antibodies against several historical plagues. When Henry confronts him, he successfully damages the spinal cord of the other immortal leading to the lock in syndrome. In short, he retains consciousness but loses all motricity except for the ability to breathe (even that is difficult). A real life simulacrum of Tranquility.

[@unfoldingspace8]

As a Dane I can only say: I wish we had sweetrolls. We have a lot of other sweets, such as the Rumball, and the Graduates Bread, both of which are cakes made from ‘old’ cakes that weren’t sold but still very much edible, instead of thrown out, given new life. The Graduates Bread is more like a actual cake, with some chocolate glaze and sprinkles on top, while Rumballs are, as the name implies, rolled into relatively big balls, and also with sprinkles or coconut over them, and of course, with some rum in them (or at least originally, I don’t know how much they actually are anymore).

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

As a Dane I can only say: It's bloody weird seeing someone translate Danish words directly into English. (As least this makes sense. A mate of mine writes that he pays with "crowns". You don't have to call it that, we're both from here, man!)

[@TheFadedMusic]

Being made tranquil I think is a nod to being Gentled in the Wheel of Time, they do this to men that can touch the one power to prevent them from being corrupted by it. Never played the Dragon Age games but this makes me happy to see.

[@scottnorwood9600]

That does make sense. Magic in dragon age can turn users into abominations, people who have been taken over by demons. The demons themselves are a corrupted form of magical spirit that inhabits the 'fade', dragon age's magic source. Spirits are believed to be a part of the 'maker' and his first creation, like angels to God.

[@slovous1234]

You can still get the best ending in bioshock 2 if you only kill Gil and no one else

[@Frost_Lily]

I've also gotten the good ending by saving all the little sisters and only killing Gil & Stanley (after eleanor's dialouge if you hesitate)

[@austinknight5881]

In Disgaea games you can, sometimes, get the ability to turn enemies into a Prinny. In all of the Disgaea games, you can turn your allies into Prinnies instead...

[@JoshuaJacobs83]

Come on, that’s not so bad dood. Lady Etna says she’ll stop beating us if we just get her a dessert, dood. I’m kidding. She said she’d only make us work harder

[@mr.e9502]

Dood, I actually like those doods.

[@carlsiouxfalls]

What do you have against prinnies, dood?

[@TheRhetoricGamer]

Technically, they're already dead, but you have a point!

[@BubblenutMcMuffin]

Sure, GLaDOS had to relive her death for 15 years, but what about Wheatley? He's forced to wonder space for all eternity with only his thoughts and the Space Sphere. Sure he could get into orbit for some random planet or float into a star, but can you imagine how long that'd take?

[@SomeNonameIdk]

well, he will discharge over time and just die

[@Mankoi1701]

Couldn't help but here "party mage Dorian" as "mage who likes to party" rather than "mage who is in your party" when Andy said it, though Dorian is kind of both of those things.

[@virgilscott2732]

One of my favorites happens in Knights of the Old Republic 2. There's a dude who tries to mug you in Nar Shadaa like two feet from the harbor. If you're playing dark side and have a lot of charisma you can literally Force Persuade him to give you his money money jump off the edge of the sidewalk. In a city the size of a planet I'm sure that fall is horrific, especially if you don't know why you randomly decided to do it Edit: pretty sure it wasn't even that much money either

[@alhena11]

Maybe don't look up the ending of "Observer", then. There are two endings for the main protagonist and they are both absolutely horrifying.

[@stevef5888]

That’s the game! Thank you I’ve been trying to remember the name of a game I played that never got around to finishing and wanted to restart it. It was observer! Thank you stranger!

[@alhena11]

@@stevef5888 Glad to help you. Enjoy, it's quite a good game. :) But finish at your own risk.

[@mattgarrett2583]

Pretty much every attack "spells" in Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen... or maybe it's just the way Kain narrates what the spells do

[@Benjamin1986980]

I have to disagree with you on BioShock. Whatever he felt in the past, the current Gilbert wants to live. He asks you to not obey his old command. Therefore letting him free is the correct moral option

[@CodaBlair]

@@Benjamin1986980 i think you replied to the wrong person because they're talking about Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen, not Bioshock

[@Benjamin1986980]

@@CodaBlair Yeah that was supposed to be a top level comment. Hard to type while walking the dog

[@CodaBlair]

@@Benjamin1986980 totalky understand. I usually type stuff on my phone or my tablet so I tend to make a food bit of mistajes when clicking on stuff

[@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180]

Nah, almost all of them kill the enemies so no "fate worse than death" because they do die. Soul Reaver, however, where you consume the very souls of your enemies...

[@Vahmung]

In Star Wars The Old Republic there were a lot of "douche side" choices you can make like leaving all of the possessed slaves remain in Lord Pharshol's command on Dromund Kaas.

[@jeremiahgranger1566]

Even worse, Cipher Nine having ‘castellan restraints’ being put in his/her brain

[@pix23]

How is Jane not in on this "fates worth than death" business? I mean, she canonically has an oubliette (and taught me the word oubliette)

[@andybrown4284]

Fun fact, there's a shopping centre in scotland with an oubliette.

[@chefbreccia2642]

This list can't possibly be complete without... (gets to #3) Nevermind, we're good.

[@MrGhostTheBigRoast]

I would assume being transmutated into a pastry would also kill me as there would be no blood organs or nervous system or anything required by an organism to live.

[@skua675]

On the other hand, though, the god of madness did it. The process may not worry about logic and reason all that much

[@stevef5888]

Unless it’s a flesh mound that looks like a regular pastry and… Actually no I’m stopping there eugh

[@GhengisJohn]

Seeing as it's a feat of magic I'm going to assume anything's possible. So I guess the only conclusion that can be drawn is, when in Skyrim eat only freshly made pastries, just to be on the safe side.

[@JachAnen]

Why are you bringing real world logic into a world where a person can suddenly be turned into a pastry?? Since souls evidently exists there, I'll assume that it stays in whatever the person is transformed into and alive as long as the soul didn't pass on

[@oldmanpatterson79]

@@JachAnen if only the sweet roll would scream when eaten, the world would be perfect.

[@CelticVictory]

Geras: Builds a sandcastle. Raiden: Drowns him repeatedly in the Sea of Blood.

[@Frankly_Amazing2000]

Not sure if this counts, but in the Arkham Knight series, I would say each goon you fight would probably prefer death than what Batman does. In all the different ways you “non-lethally” incapacitate them, with all the physical therapy, brain damage, and broken spines and bones, I suspect many would prefer death.

[@deadersurvival4716]

Oh, no. They're definitely dead. Every single person who's ever been within a 100 mile radius of Batman is their on hallucinogens to speed up time (which is a bad amount), getting launched in a direction toward a solid object at speeds faster than your average car (and a decent chunk of those are impaled by very sharp bat-arangs), getting some section of their anatomy violently interacted with at super human speed with super human force lauching them in a direction, or (best case scenario), killed by a falling building as Batman takes out enough buildings to put himself on a terrorist list.

[@thegrimstergurl7036]

Id say scarecrow has the worst fate in that game, besides maybe man-bat(I forgot his real name) because i don’t think id like to be stuck in an endless nightmare involving batman.

[@jacksonskinner7879]

It's much more satisfying to tranquil the other evil mage.

[@exxiethewriter3567]

Erimond? Yeah. I don't bother with Alexius anymore because he DID do it all to try to save his son. A friend explained to me how bad being made tranquil was. I still do it to Erimond. He's happy for death, so he's with Corypheus's glory. And his ambitions made him a total dick. So taking his ambitions from him sounds like a pretty fitting punishment to me.

[@yannickvaz694]

Pretty much every interrogation scene from the 2005 Punisher video game deserves a mention.

[@odethious5639]

The one with piranhas was nightmare fuel for me as a kid.

[@johnoneil9188]

Now I am curious if there has ever been a Skyrim player who set out to turn all the notable bad guys in the game into sweet rolls and ate them.

[@mikoto7693]

Honestly there’s probably a good chance someone has, given the many re-releases, and years gone by.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

That'd be me. One of many I assume

[@brandonwithnell612]

unforunately i think certain characters are immune to most effects of the wabbajack and the effect gets set to elemental damage instead notably dragons and boss characters

[@CaptianDerp69]

in the F:NV DLC lonesome road you can launch a nuke at either the NCR or LEAGON or BOTH no matter what you do instantly turns the people at either camp into marked men a type of ghoul that has had been skinned alive and ghoulified the radiation from the nukes keeps them alive but the no skin thing means there in constant excruciating pain.

[@CaporegimeMarcus]

"I like turning my enemies into a sweet roll then eating them later." - Jane, years ago

[@iainjames03]

"...Glados is not dead. In fact she is..." [Cut to Dominoes ad] "Hungry?"

[@Optimusj1975]

I just finished replaying Pillars of Eternity and one of the fates you can select to the main atagonist is to glue the part of his soul the has most pride of to a underground pillar. From there his choices are either spend the eternity thinking ALONE about the regrets of what he is, or to let go that part of his soul and release a maimed and aimless leftover soul, that instead of entering the wheel of reincarnation, as EXPECTED by the prisoners of the pillars, is left lost at the surface of the island, forever wandering without understanding.

[@godzillamanz8139]

Person: want to die? Other person: nahh i’m good. Person: wana have something worse? Other person: *ok i’ll die*

[@MsKornkitty]

How many times did you have to use the wabbajack before manifesting a sweetroll? I'm picturing an Egbert's mace situation.

[@strdseraph2765]

It's random chance. The first time I used the Wabbajack on someone they turned into a goat. The second time they turned into a dremora and killed half of Whiterun.

[@Cerg1998]

As far as I know Carl does die when he's shocked by electricity, it just takes quite a long time.

[@Guardian582]

he may turn into a gibbering idiot robot version of grundy but so long as the robot part lives so does the pain, if not forever it will FEEL like forever to the little guy

[@tjsupes9768]

there is actually a supermove in injustice 2 where Enchantress rips your soul out of your body in the comics its explained having your soul removed your body is as painful as "2 rabid dogs fighting under your skin while your flesh is being peeled like a grape and you are half way to knowing how painful your soul being pulled out is"

[@tyrannicpuppy]

Not a terrible fate, but my favourite judgement in DA:I was the guy who threw a goat at Skyhold. Sent him to fight the Tevinter and he was thrilled. Love when we can work out a mutually beneficial solution.

[@vexile1239]

With good weapons and armour

[@allenearl1514]

How about villians that only lost because they got far too cocky? Jindosh from Dishonored 2 comes to mind, since he's clearly intelligent, but he lets that go to his head.

[@ZOB4]

Andy’s over here suggesting that getting hammered and destroying everything in the galaxy isn’t something we’ve all done

[@TheManofBrisk]

We just going to forget about Porky at the end of Mother 3? His immortal and immobile being is trapped in a car-sized sphere that is indestructible and can never again be opened, meaning he's stuck in there, unable to die or even move his body, alone, until the end of time. Don't get me wrong, he totally deserves it, but that's still absolutely brutal.

[@ireneparkin3360]

Just imagine watching civilization rising and falling for eternity until the heat death of the universe. That would drive anyone mad.

[@pandapounce]

Dorian would wholeheartedly approve being called a "party mage".

[@gothmissstress]

As far as I remember it's not certain how much time has passed in between 1st and 2nd Portal games. At the very start in the game the voice from the speaker tells you that the time that passed is equal to 99999999..... I read the forums where people suggested that a several hundred years passed in between the games, because we see an apocalyptic world from Half-Life 2

[@Yoxiv]

Planescape: Torment had some pretty twisted fates for your enemies and friendly characters alike. From telling a man that YOU brought into existence by giving a fake name in multiple conversations that he's nothing more than a manifestation of your lies and causing him to blip out of existence, to learning that some of your past selves deliberately led people astray so they would wind up in situations where they were rendered unable to die similarly to yourself, it goes without saying that you as the player and your past selves can be and indeed were total jerks.

[@Artificer1911]

I'm so happy to see SOMA in a list! I love that game. I'd still love to see it featured in an Ellen Fear Academy: Post Graduate Study.

[@Cupo666]

I’m laughing because I didn’t even know there was an option to leave Carl like that in soma

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

Oh god, those screams from the katamari ball sound horrifying! 😰

[@Raines1911]

Mr House in New Vegas. Being kept permanently alive whilst being buried alive in what can only be described as the inside of an old CRT monitor. Sheesh!

[@Scarytoaster1809]

8:50 that's the most amount of hate and spite I've ever heard in a videogame character's voice

[@kylepeters8690]

I know I always recommend it and he's the player character rather than an enemy but castlevania lord of shadows,. Everything Gabrial endures. Dead wife killed by him under mind control, murdering the people he looked up to to save the world, being lied to by everyone he knew and stabbed in the back, turned into a vampire, killing someone he came to care about to become a vampire, living forever after deciding he just wants to die, murdering his own son, having his own family become some of his greatest enemies, going mad as his demon castle feeds on his soul and more. Dude can't catch a break and he just wants to hug his son, to die or both.

[@L0rdLexan01]

Omar from Destiny 2 He went down into the Hellmouth to kill Crota but was captured by a Hive wizard, at which point he spent the next hundred years or so being tortured and experimented on as the wizard gradually shaved his soul away, culminating in being turned into a tiny beetle. And then after being turned into a beetle, he gets shoved into your fancy new gun, the Xenophage, so he can act as a battery to power the guns explosive-rounded pyrotoxic rounds.

[@biohazard724]

I'd argue that one loops around to being revenge especially if you take Xeno into the raid or dungeon

[@enavy04]

That Katamari bit was absolutely perfect! Thank you! 🤣🤣🤣

[@NeoDanomaru]

Personally I never made Alexius tranquil when I was a mage... Livius Erimond however...!

[@LadyViscera]

I pretty sure GLaDOS was reliving her death for a LOT longer than 15 years. Closer to 50,000 years.

[@donnerschlag41]

Imagine being a pawn in dragons dogma. The arisen leaves you behind after their death, and their choice of love is Feste.....

[@the_guy_with_orange_glasses]

In Pikmin, you kill your enemies and they are then absorb in a big onion in order to produce more pikmins. And if Olimar didn't succeed to comeback to his own planet, he will be turn into a pikmin himself. It really frightened me when I was younger...

[@simonestain7241]

Look everyone, the rare Dragon Age game mention has appeared!!

[@Crisjola]

No doubt it was Jane's pick from the comments :3

[@simonestain7241]

@@Crisjola we can always count on her.

[@datasdukatcoat6429]

There's finally an Anders clip in an Outside X/Xtra video (that I've seen, at least; watched about eighty, I'd say) and no one seems to care. Saddening

[@glasshorse6893]

taking people as prisoner in rimworld. depending on the mods used this could quickly get brutal, but even without killing them you can still organ harvest them, remove their tongues, give them peg legs in place of legs, and even release them after you've done all this crappy stuff

[@Emperor-Quill]

Oh geez, when the start opens with Carl you know it's going to be a ride. What's even worse is that if you leave Carl there long enough, then turn off the power, his brain functions will have fried, leaving him muttering incomprehensibly.

[@knightofarkronia8652]

Sonic and the Secret Rings? Sonic has the main villain sealed away in a magic lamp, and then he dropped the lamp in a pool of molten metal, meaning that said villain is trapped in there forever!

[@darklord884]

Slight correction to the Bioshock 2 entry. It doesn't lock you out of the best ending. You can freely kill Gil Alexander and have the good ending. Sure, the game counts his death towards progress for the bad ending, but if you spare all the Little Sisters and spare all the other spareable enemies like Grace Holloway and Stanley Poole, you can actually get the savior ending.

[@aqj2014]

3:58 unfornately, geras escapes that fate by, and i quote "being food for a passing levithan"

[@soulofflame9999]

I think I know why Katamari got on this list. There's a side story with a mom, a sister, and a brother who keeps noticing weird things. At the end of that side story, it's revealed that they got rolled up into the katamari ball without dying, instead being transported to... some sort of alternative universe? Idk.

[@Marik745]

Is that Carl “let me borrow 5 dollars for the bus, I’ll pay you back next week” Semken? You’ve been ducking me for a week man, this is how it has to be.

[@calebgresch9604]

One thing that you missed in Portal 2 is getting thrown into space for the rest of eternity with somebody else who keeps yelling "SPACE! SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!". I'd rather die.

[@supertna9154]

Turning someone into a chicken reminds me of the game Heretic where you can turn enemies into chickens and blow them up with a phoenix rod.

[@tba113]

XCOM: Enemy Within leaves it up to the player to decide how willing your troopers are to undergo extensive cybernetic or biological enhancements. It didn't bother me overmuch, since the troopers never refuse beforehand, they never pick up any mental effects or PTSD (which they can get from near-death experiences in combat) after the treatments, and the basic prep procedures cost as much as a next-gen fighter jet, which I assume translates to a set-for-life bonus to the trooper directly. But I understand having the choice weirded a lot of people out, and that was one of the reasons your options for MEC Troopers and Gene Mods were so limited in the sequel.

[@mortIsHere]

I don’t know if it counts but William Afton from the fnaf games. Being springlocked, locked rotting in a wall, burned, burned, sent to purgatory, being trapped in a video game, burned, and being strangled by a mechanical tentacle while burning AGAIN. Is that enough for you?

[@blacklight683]

3:48the look on his face. Just oh, oh nononono no no no he just realized the big problem that will hunt him for atleast 12⁵⁰years

[@SirSyzygy]

How about Dishonored 2's Kindosh "Low Chaos" option? Electroshock therapy to basically lobotomize a brilliant inventor so he doesn't raise an army of clockwork soldiers...

[@brennanwn]

Being made to relive your death for 15 years sounds like Hell

[@cicerothenekoknightplaysall]

when you put guards to sleep in the middle of the jungle or desert and assume they don't die to a animal or dehydration

[@kenpanderz672]

as for the Bioshock 2 one, letting current Giilbert live out his days in an illusion of being in control of something he believes is worth having control over untill he eventually dies of some other cause, is probably the best way to deal with him, atleast among the choices given. past Gilbert doesnt exist anymore, so only current Gilbert's wishes should matter. and as far as i can tell, he wishes to retain control of his lil corporate island under the sea. if anyones wellbeing should be considered when thinking about killing him, it should be the wellbeing of the splicers he terrorizes on a regular basis. so if you care about their wellbeing, outside of returning fire every time they become aware of you, maybe that could sway your choices.

[@kuyagab4444]

Fallout New Vegas. Crucifying Benny. That is a ring-a-ding move even he did not expect from you.

[@gamepassghost]

Oh man… most any of the hook based stuff in dead by daylight makes my skin crawl, but then again, being trapped with any of those killers in a closed space might be worse than getting it done quickly already.

[@the_screaminator]

You should have done bugs, ellizabeth stays alive as a giant cake food monster that keeps the whole island together, if you eat too many bugsnax you eventually become a bugsnack

[@nickjeffery536]

What about in Hitman, when you are a) playing in Ghost Mode, b) playing against Andy Farrant, and c) your name is Mike Channell... 100% emotionally devastating for your victim...

[@rochelleyoung1403]

You forgot about the Wheatley core getting stranded in space with space core for all eternity at the end of Portal 2. And to make things worse, Wheatley cannot run out of power, as well as him feeling horrible for his actions

[@hondaaccord1399]

Holy cow bro, two of these and you never mentioned Lusamine from Pokemon being stuffed full of space jellyfish chemicals and going into a coma? Or Lysandre being trapped under his collapsed fortress with the rotting corpses of his allies and Pokemon for all eternity after being granted immortality by Xerneas in Pokemon X?

[@eliottdewitt893]

This was a good list, good work andy and friends, think mine is spoilers for metal gear solid 5 but lets just say having someone elses memories, large metal shard in my skull that could prob kill me if i rolled over in the night and the whole world out to kill me what appears to be overnight sounds pretty worse than death to me

[@rickdaniel7341]

So Glados got the Gold Experience Requiem treatment.

[@Oscar-k2v]

Sink in a nutshell 3:48