7 Unloved Games in Beloved Series

These games get substantially less love than their series counterparts.
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[@bezmagica]

Luke having to apologize for the Super Mario Sunshine segment is just too funny

[@mediarare2386]

I guess the script was written for him by Andy

[@CVL13]

@@mediarare2386 They let him out of Mario Sunshine Jail?! Those fools!

[@oafkad]

I didn't like Sunshine as a kid but I love it as an adult. Its one of those games that held up super well when I came back to it.

[@Dustin_Frost]

I like doing my taxes. 😊

[@FelipeKana1]

Funny but he is objectively wrong! MS is objectively bad 😅

[@FosterWalsh]

I just wanna note that the "sweet Mothman statue" in Fallout 76 is actually a real statue in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. It's surreal to see places I've been and lived at in a game franchise I absolutely love.

[@azraelle6232]

I would love to some day see a Fallout game set in my home town. They have official lore, but I want to see it in game. If I were better at making mods, I'd do it myself!

[@ShadeGaming4444]

i would love to experience that but since we already have an entry set in Nevada i doubt we'll be getting one set in salt lake any time soon

[@DeathnoteBB]

That’s my favorite part of Fallout games! They use actual locations, it’s really cool

[@phuzz00]

Broadway in Forza Horizon 4 is based on a real town near where I grew up. The layout is pretty different, but it looks really similar

[@zomburgerchef9587]

People get mad about that being the case sometimes though unfortunately. I remember hearing about people getting mad about the church in resistance:fall of man because that level was based on an actual town.

[@riksweeney]

Let's not forget the time Luke forced Andy to watch him play Mario Sunshine and, to prevent Andy from interfering, locked him in Mario Sunshine Jail.

[@Genesis3Chi]

I love Fable 3, currently replaying it while going down with a cold. One of my true comfort games. And some of my favourite horror lines in anything from the Crawler! "The light inside you offends us! All that you are will die, the children DEMAND IT!"

[@wambulance998]

Same, I've played Fable 3 so many times and used to use the janky multiplayer to play with my friend--not great, but we had so much fun regardless

[@tympestbooks1727]

It's probably the Fable game anyone I know has played the most. It is a lot of changes from the previous games though, so I guess there's that? It's the only one I bothered tracking down a special edition copy of though

[@TheAllanmeadows]

My main issue with fable 3 was just how easy it was. A mate and me played it in co-op, with the best pistol in the game, and just cleared all combat by spamming shoot and stunlocking literally everything, lol.

[@HGChaosNL]

​ @tympestbooks1727 Same! I still use the coin sometimes to make decisions in other games.

[@greenhowie]

The game's good but replaying it and hearing John Cleese after his downward spiral IRL was a bit depressing.

[@Galvamel]

You are not far off with Paul Revere. His midnight ride was only 12.5 miles, he borrowed the horse and never returned it, and generally did not do all that much. The only reason people even know about him is because Longfellow was trying to get laid and wrote the poem to suck up to the girl's aunt who was a decedent of Revere's and super proud of it.

[@thompse412]

Bonus cookies for the dude who gives a shit about history

[@PukeNuke00]

I was genuinely expecting Andy to barge in and vent about Super Mario Sunshine in Luke's place

[@lnt305]

Surprised not to see Angel of Darkness on the list. I have fond memories of an online friend group as a teen where the only thing that connected us was being like the five people who thought it had held promise 😄

[@charliefen]

I think a lot has been forgiven over the years, especially with how far the series has strayed from the original recently. A lot of hate has gone towards the publisher and people have sympathised with the developers, who were basically given the impossible task of working on new hardware and to a strict deadline of releasing alongside the second movie. And this video tends to look at just one disliked game in a series of otherwise beloved games, which sadly can no longer apply to TR 😢

[@tatltails3923]

Thank you, Luke Westaway, for your brave testimony.

[@greenhydra10]

The general consensus on Scarlet/Violet seems to be that they're good games made poorly.

[@liamross340]

yeah it’s mainly man this is just what the pokémon formula needed i wish just wish it looked like it was from this generation and ran well

[@GoinGreninja]

Exactly. The games absolutely had tons of potential and it felt like Gamefreak still had some love to give, as evidenced by the music for example. But the three year development cycle definitely did bite them back hard, with the games not getting enough time to be actually great like they're supposed to be.

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

The were made for an expected Switch 2 that was pushed back because of COVID.

[@Poke-ladd]

I wish they would fix the camera bugs but also they need to tweak the “stealth” not saying to need to remake it like Legends which had decent stealth mechanics

[@user-hs1xb9tv6e]

Yeah that's pretty much it. They could have done better job at making it but it does have some pretty good elements in it.

[@TrickyTalon23]

Connor could’ve been a lot more popular as an Assassin’s Creed protagonist if he was given strong emotions of frustration and despair behind the chill tough guy act. He’s a really tragic character who didn’t get to enjoy any of his victories but the game mostly brushes over that and focuses more on the things happening around Connor than Connor himself. That’s why the Homestead Missions are by far my favorite part of Assassin’s Creed 3: the friendships Connor makes with the new people in his neighborhood show more heartwarming character out of him than the rest of the entire game.

[@TrickyTalon23]

@@ABadassDragon I did

[@That1PissedOffBoomer]

Who cares about his personality? That's not why I play Assassin's Creed games. There is so many really cool things I can point out about Assassin's Creed 3. The only game that actually deserves to be on this list is devil may cry 2. Every single game on this list is a terrific game. Otherwise it's just that people are never happy. People like being miserable and people love to bitch. I could point out a bunch of things about every title listed except dark souls 2 cuz I have never played that game.

[@TrickyTalon23]

@@That1PissedOffBoomer I’m glad you liked the games, but that’s just not the case with a lot of other people. I wish I thought AC3 was as much fun as you do.

[@theJoker-sv2un]

Ac origins - mirage are the worst ones in the seires they should have been mentioned not ac3

[@DjDolHaus86]

I was less irked about his boring personality and more frustrated with the focus on historical accuracy over good level design.

[@nicvolcano]

3:48 "a two-handed Zweihander" has to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard

[@danielbabb1676]

For the pokemon games, I think they would have been beloved by the community of they had been delayed a year. It would have given the team the time they needed to work out the glitches and by breaking the new game every 3 years trend would have generated a lot of natural hype for release

[@hitofuuki]

It already did generate enough hype with open world to be one of best selling Pokemon games ever and delaying it would also delay what Gamefreak loves most - money.

[@Bluejanza]

The last two games never seemed to have a convincing villain. It felt empty in that regard.

[@newageBoundhippie]

@@hitofuuki not GameFreak...The Pokemon Company. If it was up to GameFreak they WOULD have delayed it. TPC keeps them beholden to the timing of the anime changing because money & dumbassery...also why a new team was put on the gen 4 remakes resulting in the somewhat lazy BDSP ( by lazy I just mean they basically changed nothing and didn't even include any Platinum content )

[@hitofuuki]

@@newageBoundhippie fair, I stand corrected.

[@FenixFeniks]

Having played the games, and their immediate predecessors, a year for bug squashing is wishful thinking. Besides, there isnt anything redeeming outside of the buggy behaviors. It cant hit even the beloved status that a game like Deadly Premonition has.

[@spideyrox8520]

Mass Effect: Andromeda was the first one to come to mind. Also they released the Batman: Arkham trilogy bundle despite the fact that Arkham Origins exists and if that doesn't say "unloved" I don't know what does.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

I love that game far more than Arkham Knight. 🤣😂😅

[@Taragoola]

I fuckin love Andromeda lol

[@kyuubinaruto17]

To be fair, the trilogy was made by Rocksteady, with Origins being done by a different developer. So it's understandable it wouldn't be included with the original games.

[@naomisoltesz9890]

Origins is good actually.

[@draconyne7822]

Andromeda isn't a 'bad game' it's just not a 'Shepherd game' - which was never going to go over well with a sizeable chunk of the fanbase. Before anyone yells - yes there were issues, bugs etc. Those are hardly unique in today's gaming landscape. Andromeda just seemed to get all the hate for the ending of ME3 *and* the fact the protagonist was not Shepherd lumped onto it.

[@buenosaur4629]

As a thorough Mario Sunshine enjoyer, bless you Luke Westaway.

[@justmonifer]

Dragon Age 2. Everyone I ask about the DA series shakes their head when that game is mentioned, but I absolutely love it 😭❤️

[@MC-yt1uv]

Dragon Age 2 isn't bad, it is just a step down from the brilliant original. If Dragon Age 2 was part of its own series and didn't have to live up to the original it would be remembered as a pretty good game.

[@szurketaltos2693]

Plot is pretty good and characters are excellent but the gameplay just doesn't hold a candle to DAO.

[@Ender0214]

I havent played it (yet) but i feel bad because i read that the Devs were given like a year and a half to make a sequel to the original that took them 7 years. All to fill a sales gap

[@Aleera616]

The gameplay is awful and I was angry at Bioware for the lazy dungeon designs but the characters, their stories and the developments of them through the years are the best in any game I have ever played. I replayed da2 more often than dao and dai, despite da2 objectively being the worst and my least favourite of the bunch. But the characters!

[@glennbriggs6490]

This is why I love this channel. These guys don't just "get it", but they do so from all sides of the fence. There wasn't a single video here I didn't feel for or couldn't relate to in some way, and they definitely did an excellent job of delivery.

[@MsKornkitty]

I loved Mario Sunshine. It could have been better, but what we got was fun and I put hours into it.

[@mattalan6618]

ive only put in 1 our of time into it

[@aelechko]

It's probably my favorite. Had a great time with it.

[@mattalan6618]

@@aelechko i didnt. when it came out i didnt play it a lot as i was more into XBOX and SONY at the time. in fact im still into SONY and Microsoft and havent touched Nintendo in over 20 years

[@Gytreeady]

So, you're saying you *poured* many hours into it?

[@mattalan6618]

@@Gytreeady kinda hard seeing as the game can be beaten in like 2hrs

[@captainwolfos]

One of the things that bugs me most about Pokemon SV is the outfits. Sword and Shield had completely customisable outfits, and while the boys' sports bags in that game were often hideous (the girls had satchels, which were significantly better IMO, which in itself was a problem, but I digress), at least there were options. Also I really miss my cool Arcanine T-shirt. Scarlet and Violet has school uniforms, that you're not even allowed to mix and match the upper and lower body parts (which would at least have been better), and the very occasional cool looking accessory, which completely clashes with the aesthetic of the uniforms. The new uniforms from the DLC are, somehow, worse.

[@agwasp]

I’d love a list of games outside the ‘main’ thread of a franchise which are actually really good. E.g. Pokémon mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness. It’s not a main Pokémon game. But it’s brilliant and the story is so damn good.

[@tanyaflanagan8111]

I've got a crazy amount of hours in Pokemon dungeon. Such a good gamr

[@Gamer3427]

The whole Mystery Dungeon series is great. For me personally I'd also include the Pokemon Ranger games. No one ever talks about them or seems to remember them, but they were a whole lot of fun.

[@Monsuco]

There are some great spin-off series out there. Final Fantasy Tactics, Halo Wars, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon & Pokemon Snap.

[@themagitechie9955]

totally agree with you about explorers of sky. also, it could make this list, if you think IGN's review was accurate. yes, Everyone who played that game is still very salty about that one and the "you can't spell ignorant without IGN" raging will never end should they be stupid enough to pan the inevitable remake.

[@hommefataltaemin]

I actually really adore the SV games. I wish they had a little bit more time in the oven to iron out the bugs and stuff, but I truly do think that other than PLA, they are the best Pokémon games on switch by a long shot. And I think it’s a fresh and exciting new direction for the franchise. I never got bored playing it, I had such a fantastic time exploring. I loved a lot of the new Pokémon and characters, and I just had so much fun with it that it was very easy to overlook the errors.

[@schrodingerscat3741]

What really gets me about them is how incredibly unfinished they look. If they had actually decent textures, I might have bought them

[@picardsolo2471]

The pokemon have no unique behaviors or personalities other than what's stated in their stats. They don't feel special or worth keeping around besides their stats.

[@ddrsamuraixIV]

The bug line that leads to the Pokemon gym reference is beyond brilliant! Keep up the impeccable work.

[@eddythefool]

Metroid Other M has to be on the next list. Overall it was a decent game with good motion control additions, but that plot just ruined everything.

[@edudmodnar4661]

True!

[@Munster_Mash]

There's nothing like watching seasoned veteran bounty hunter Samus Aran trudge through a health sapping lava field, refusing to turn on heat shields because Adam doesn't okay it till you get to the boss.

[@eddythefool]

​@@Munster_Mashyup. If you ask me Samus should have been infected by a virus when opening the bottleship so her abilities being deactivated would make sense.

[@g.f.martianshipyards9328]

Absolutely!

[@Sogeking79]

My best friend hated AC3. There was s bug that auto saved at a point he died. No backup saves meant he waited months for it to get patched to finish the game.

[@pit6794]

I'm so glad I got to play ACIII as a kid and didn't notice all the flaws. I absolutely loved going from tree to tree hunting down animals and red coats, getting all the collectibles, and completing the homestead. I don't know if I would enjoy the game as much now with my current standards.

[@musicaladdiction4147]

I got given this on my switch it was a box with a download code with isn’t fun

[@dandydeadpool]

3:48 A... two handed Zweihander Luke? A two handed twohander? That's like, sixteen hands!

[@amandadaley4182]

I honestly didnt have many issues with Pokemon scarlet and violet as my game didnt lag all that much and i also didnt have any of those game breaking bugs happening for me. The games are faulty yes, but i quite enjoyed them.

[@shinrailp1416]

I was also one of the lucky ones without too much problems, except some popin and frame problems and i don't think these games are terrible or anything. To me they are just a big heap of wasted potential and the open world becomes kinda useless without much to actually discover and no level scaling so the game is still mostly linear anyway. And the poeple complaining about missing Pokemon......i'd like to know how many of these guys actually catch every single one and don't just transfer them from game to game. This has always been one of the dumbest comlaints to me.

[@King_Ryuga]

​@@shinrailp1416 it doesn't matter if someone catches them all or not. They all deserve to be avaliable for a bunch of reasons: At least one person views at least one of the 1000+ as their favorite, (like how would you feel if your favorite got excluded from the new adventure?), even if someone did only transfer pokemon from game to game the pokemon still have to be avaliable for that to work. You can't transfer a pokemon to a game where it doesn't exist in the pokedex, plus sun and moon/ ultra sun and moon contained every single pokemon up to that point in 3d despite having objectively worse hardware. Then we find out the creatures inc., gamefreak, and Nintendo basically lied because sword/shield and scarlet/violet aren't the well polished games that they claimed to be the reason why not every pokemon could be addded. It's ridiculous 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@nolongeraperson]

@@King_Ryuga I actually disagree with this for a very simple reason. It changes the competitve meta. Pokemon that are usually untiered get a chance to shine with changes to the game giving them buffs and a chance to run free in a tier for once... until the dlc comes and ruins everything again by bringing back it's check or it's better counterpart. I wish Gliscor and Lando-T were just banned from online play. 😂

[@pedroburgos3330]

😊😊

[@RenewedAurora]

'Fun story with Zelda, one of my best friends online was met through his Twitch stream in the stream he started playing Wand of Gamelon. Fast forward 6 years (I'm getting old) and I'm an integral part of the community and "a delight everytime you show up." Who knew him stealing an amulet from Miyamoto would've led to such a great friendship!

[@RiverOfBile]

I personally loved DS2, there were so many great things about it. Proper dual wielding, twinblades, going back in time to the war with the giants, Lucatiel of Mirrah, Straid, and of course the best hub area of any soulslike, Majula.

[@quelanathecrow]

Lucatiel!!! Love her so much omg ^.^

[@ORLY911]

also the best hub area From has ever made, Majula

[@nooooooooope3809]

SAINTIER'S SPEAR!!!

[@dustinvictory6043]

Bro I miss ds2 hex builds

[@Spytefull]

The only problem I really have with it is the layout. Floating lava castle above poison lake is pretty bad. Other than that, I adore DS2. It's not my favourite, but it's still one of my favourite games of all time.

[@Calmputer]

Here's another: *Metroid: Other-M* Just didn't get Samus *at all* and trying to make all the game mechanics fit on a single Wii remote (without the nun-chuck) really didn't work out.

[@darrienhoyle1864]

I was surprised this one wasn't on the list. This was the first entry that came to my head (we'll just ignore that I personally loved it)

[@OmegaDoesThings]

SV actually rekindled my interest in the series. Prior to them, I hadn't completed a game since Diamond. Yeah, it's got some glaring performance issues (stop rendering an ocean bigger than Earth, GF), but I've been able to look past those and really appreciate the game.

[@cameronmcclean6642]

It’s such a shame about Pokémon S/V running issues because I will die on the hill that they are up there with one of the best stories in the franchise. Was the first time I actually felt something for the characters whilst playing.

[@FeiFongWang]

Imagine being so whipped you think an extremely predictable bully story is anything resembling decent.

[@tympestbooks1727]

It was also really nice to not have another rival who ran about shouting that they were going to be the best ever and you, the player, are going to witness their legend unfold. I've gotten real tired of those even if it just feels worse because of the Diamond/Pearl rerelease and Sword/Shield both having that bad one after the other. I liked the gym challenge rival here, she felt like a character who had a more thorough story than was shown in game.

[@ToriKlepto]

Agreed! and the gameplay loop brought me back to the good DS games

[@nolongeraperson]

@@FeiFongWang Imagine being so brain dead that you forget there are other characters and stories going on. 🙄.. Oh wait, it's a Naruto fan. That makes sense.

[@bird_obsession]

@@FeiFongWangImagine being so conceited that you believe no one is allowed to enjoy a story you dislike, and if they do, there must be something wrong with them.

[@xdifficultviper9916]

The Pokémon SV launch lag definitely almost bricked my switch. It got so hot that it shut off during the gather sunflora challenge 😂😂

[@SolaScientia]

For all its issues, DS2 has some great moments. Wandering into Majula and not realizing its the hub area even when the music plays is amazing. I was just wandering along cautiously when I heard that music. I just stopped and ignored my surroundings just because of the music. Thankfully it's safe (well, those rat things in that one corner near the well...), so I was fine. Sir Alonne's theme and the story around him is wonderful. It sounds more like a DS3 theme than a DS2 theme, because Yuka is the composer for that one.

[@Stargazeer]

I think people are too harsh on it. I'm of the opinion that Dark Souls 2 had to crawl, so that Elden Ring could run. DS2 is disliked because of it's experimentation. It does a lot of different things for the series, and some of them miss the mark by a lot.

[@SolaScientia]

@@Stargazeer I like that they put some DS2 stuff in Elden Ring, with the power stance ability with 2 different weapons being a main one. The torch usage being a timed feature is interesting and I like its application in the world.

[@knotgradaunknown7414]

@@Stargazeer That second sentence has been in my head from the first moment I played Elden Ring. I don`t think DS2 is disliked so much for it`s experimentation so much as the effects of it`s troubled development keeping it from being all it could be.

[@bobbyfernando]

On the whole, the DLC's for _Dark Souls II_ are genuinely some of the best _Dark Souls_ we've ever gotten. Sir Alonne, the Fume Knight, and Burnt Ivory King are three of the series' best bosses (Sinh might not be quite there, IMO, but theirs is still one of the best boss themes, too), and the areas truly feel like _the_ direct predecessor to the Legacy Dungeons in _Elden Ring,_ in terms of structure, flow, and level design, in general. No hub area they've made has managed to top Majula, either, in...practically any aspect, really.

[@SolaScientia]

@@bobbyfernando I love Majula so much. Firelink is great and I do love the Hunter's Dream, but Majula feels like it's meant to be lived in. It has houses. The other areas feel safe because there aren't enemies too close. Majula feels safe because it feels the closest to a home.

[@aetherwise2159]

I’m among those that actually enjoyed Violet. Somehow I never saw all the bugs and frame rate issues. (But I never played Arceus, so I pretty much went from BD to Violet, so it was still a big jump in Pokémon context for me, even with some lag). Violet was the first game in the series that I’ve gotten to play alongside my son, whose just recently grown old enough to play the games on his own, so it was a special and fun adventure for us for that reason, it felt like watching 8-year old me play Red version for the first time.

[@FeiFongWang]

Let me ask, what exactly would Gamefreak need to release so you can admit it's just simply a bad game? I think by this point Gamefreak can release a Rise of Kong asset flip game and you guys would collectively go "well yeah, it has technical issues but it still has soul!!!1!!!" Pokemon fans are so whipped, ffs...

[@finnaura1838]

@@FeiFongWang I feel like people find it super hard to understand that you can be critical of something while still liking it. Like is SV a good game in terms of performance? God no, it's choppy and has lots of bugs. But the core game itself is actually good, though it could obviously be better, and the pokemon designs are also fantastic imo. Do I want them to do a better job? Yes, but that doesn't mean the game is awful. Don't get me wrong it baffles me how one of the biggest franchises can't optimise their game for their home console and can't get graphics designers who understand how to make an aesthetically pleasing texture, but I still think the core game is good.

[@aetherwise2159]

@@FeiFongWang Lol why does someone enjoying a game bother you so much? Not everyone has to have the same priorities in what makes a good game, and graphical beauty just isn’t as big a priority for me. It sounds like you just want to hate on Pokémon fans so badly that a game must be all crap or nothing, when there’s plenty of room for something to be enjoyed even while it has flaws. It’s like wine tasting, some folks have a certain pallet for it, and others can enjoy the cheap stuff just as easily. Getting snooty about someone not being as picky as you are just makes you look silly, not the person having fun. Honestly, I never even finished Pokémon Sun, it wasn’t fun, despite it being a Pokémon game, it felt like a failed attempt to shoehorn flair in while still copy/pasting the usual formula. Violet was honestly more fun to play, enough so that as a casual gamer, I didn’t notice the graphical shortcoming until someone else told me I should notice them.

[@Dancinglemon]

@@FeiFongWangAll this game taught me was that some Pokemon fans cannot be normal when other people enjoyed something they didn’t. If you don’t like it that’s fine but you guys really need to understand you can criticise something and still enjoy it.

[@Mulbert]

Me getting ready to defend Assassin's Creed 3... (those were all very valid points actually!) However I'd be interested to know if anyone else enjoyed the homestead missions; I love the bases in Assassin's Creed games (the train was the coolest!) and really enjoyed the addition of villagers, it gave Connor opportunities to show actual personality also (and a rest from being ordered around by revolutionaries!)

[@BarbaraChrisman]

I liked them

[@Mx_Rae]

I have to admit, I have a soft spot for DMC2. The mobility it gives Dante, both with cameras and jumping/air dodges, after how static DMC1 is, the introduction of Bloody Palace mode (which is pure chaos compared to later games), getting to play as Lucia and Trish, different types of devil trigger with different perks, the best coat in the series.

[@Kagawwy]

DMC2 Donte has the best fit, frfr

[@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan]

DMC2 was garbage. Flaming dumpster fire garbage!

[@Mx_Rae]

@@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan That's your opinion, which you are entitled to just as much as I am entitled to mine. You're not invalidating my thoughts on the game nor changing my opinion by complaining about it; perhaps you'd be better served, and validated, by complaining elsewhere.

[@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan]

@@Mx_Rae I didn't respond to your opinion. I was not trying to invalidate your thoughts or opinions. I was simply adding my opinion, not directly to you, just like you did. I did not complain about your opinion. Everything that was in your response (directly to me) was contrived, and was nothing more than attacking someone who did not share your opinion. Maybe your time would be better served letting everyone have their own opinion and not attacking them for it, especially on a subject as trivial as a video game. Do better, be better.

[@cmdrvimes72]

The Pursuer: Hey man, did you learn to parry yet? My sorcerer: no, but i have soul arrows x1000 to shoot you with. All in all, I am so glad i started my soulsborne time with DS2. Especially as someone who almost always plays a caster in rpgs, it had the easiest to use magic system of the series, allowing me to get used to the series style overall. A trend i have gone back to with Lies of P, pretty sure ive spent more ergo on bombs than levelling.

[@ABadassDragon]

Well, DS2 is the best way to start soulslikes, because going back to that game is rough. It was my first soulslike back when it came out. I quit the game like 3 times before i beat it

[@Smeelio]

Yeah, easiest and in many ways best; more types of magic without overcomplicating the stats, more USEFUL stats (Attunement levels Agility like Adaptability does, which makes Adaptability less of a needed stat contrary to what the memes say), better/more viable weapon infusions, a lot of returning AND new spells and most of them pretty viable (I did a Faith spellsword recently, and despite being told the Lightning spells were nerfed from DS1, I found them really good! Especially coupled with Faith infusions being actually worth a damn) It's definitely a rough game overall, but it had one or two stand-out systems like this that I really want to see done again/in a game that had more development time and was allowed to be finished, especially with From's better knowledge of how to make a Soulsike game these days

[@voodoominerman]

You can parry the pursuer? I ask because he literally can't hit you if you move slightly to the right, so why would you need to parry?

[@cmdrvimes72]

@@voodoominerman his stab is timed in such a way to basically teach people how to parry. Teaching you how to sidestep properly instead of going straight for a dodge is also a good result of that wacko.

[@Kagawwy]

The dark souls series(especially earlier titles) gets really fun when you realize you can unlock your camera and just walk around a lot of attacks without the need for stamina usage.

[@hannarchy6554]

I would love to hear Ellen's thoughts on Fable 3! I adore the Fable series and I acknowledge that it's janky as hell

[@festeringintelect4737]

Or even better, Kingdoms of Amalur 2. Oh, wait...

[@SailorMya]

While I do like Fable 3 for being a fable game it is the weakest of the three main games but Fable Journey was by far the worst! There's nothing like taking an open world based on your moral choices and making it a linear game based around a very lack luster character...

[@Joyful_Traitor]

@@SailorMya What was the other one Fable heroes or some such

[@thompse412]

@@SailorMya it wasn't based around a lackluster character, it was based around a lackluster peripheral!

[@itsjustmenova]

Personally I love Scarlet/Violet. They just seem quite different and many people aren't sure what to make of them which normally for a pokemon game isn't that good.

[@gowzahr]

My biggest issue with Scarlett and Violet wasn't the missing Pokémon or the poor performance, it was the open world. In virtually every other open world game that I've played, there's a combination of scaling the enemies and visual clues indicating what areas are harder than others to help keep the player from getting in over their head. S/V not only didn't have these features, but did have features that try very hard to push you down the path the developers intended. Cross an unremarkable river? Pokémon are suddenly 20 levels higher than you. Want to try the gyms out of order? Too bad, a gym's Pokémon don't level scale and your Pokémon levels are capped based on how many badges you have. Also, terasterizing is way op so you have to interact with the mechanic, unlike dynamaxing in Sw/Sh where you can assert dominance by taking out dynamaxed Pokémon while still regular sized.

[@Zer0billion]

Exactly They didn't make an open world game with S/V They just made another railroaded game and removed the railroad.

[@tympestbooks1727]

The way the open word was designed also made it feel weirdly empty, so players that are me wound up using the ride pokemon a lot to get around faster, which meant pokemon didn't load in around me, which meant the world felt even emptier. Like, the map is too big for what's in it and how poorly polished the game is.

[@craigyeah1052]

It's weird, for sure, and seems lazy. With that said, part of the fun of open world is being able to go out of order and take on hard stuff earlier than intended, imo, so if everything just scaled it would ruin that for me. Also terastilizing is objectively weaker than dynamaxing, I have no idea how you could possibly assert otherwise.

[@katfromthekong414]

4:53 the mumbliness caught me off guard 😂😂

[@damiandodd8306]

The minute I saw 4 games I actually liked on this list, I knew I was in for a rough time

[@aGH0UL]

I know what you mean, the minute I saw scarlet/violet and fallout 76 my heart sank

[@TheRockhead9]

Those two, Sunshine, and AC3 for me. I was just playing 76 today and need to play the Pokémon DLC. My sister got a Switch and is trying to find something “like Sunshine” because she’s really nostalgic for it. AC3 is my 3rd favorite AC game so far, after Black Flag and Origins.

[@custos3249]

Don't worry. You're clearly not the first gamer with bad taste and an open wallet

[@aGH0UL]

@@custos3249 Well to be fair, I myself have never spent a dime on either games. I got 76 for free and was planning to buy Pokémon scarlet soon. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that you have probably never played either of these games, or played them at their worst, so I get why you would say we have bad taste.

[@niceguy169]

"Not counting the Philips spinoff CDi Link games because you can't play them", meanwhile my introduction to them was watching a friend play them on his laptop a few months ago. :) OMG, last Saturday a roommate of a friend of a friend (yeah, super close buddies) was showing me a GameCube for the first time, we played a bunch of #6, Mario Sunshine. :) He lamented that it doesn't seem to have an end, he would just play and play without any kind of progress, it's just forever, and I ended up progressing his game a lot in ways he didn't realize, LOL! (Turns out I have more patience and determination than he does, focusing on a challenge until I get past it). Freaky coincidence that I see this video less than a week after I played that game for the one and only time. :) (I wasn't sure you were talking about the game I played until the video got to 6 and showed the opening cutscene's lava paint. Why does paint HURT?) WEIRD, I played and finished Assassin's Creed III (as well as its Alternate Reality expansion The Madness Of King Washington or something like that), and I seriously DO NOT remember that Paul Revere mission, LOL! I mean, I played it super late, but it's still several years ago. Pre-pandemic somewhere (I would guess 2018).

[@Rimorine]

Ooh I loved Super Mario Sunshine ❤️. I loved how interactive the world was. Ah the good days of herding fruit across the world

[@BuildinWings]

I'd love to see you do "The 7 Games That Require Literally All of Your Time." I'm thousands of hours into Civ VI, AKA "Almost done with one game."

[@poodlemuffin]

One more turn…

[@beesforbreakfast]

The first Mass Effect has an achievement for hitting the level cap. FYI, you cannot seem do this by running the same character through Hard and Insanity back-to-back, instead requiring a THIRD run through a twenty-plus hour story. I don’t know for sure, because after finishing that Insanity run I decided that my time was not being respected.

[@SimuLord]

The entire cozy game genre falls into this, but My Time At Sandrock is well over 100 hours to get all the way through its story campaign. Of course, that's also why it's my 2023 Game of the Year by a country mile.

[@alejandronieto4212]

Europa Universalis IV, aka "I have 1500 hours into the game, I barely played two or three games and Im still a noob"

[@adamchism8697]

Ark survival evolved: 8 hour tame time for some creatures, must feed animals all the time, and if you’re online you must log in or your buildings can be destroyed. Fuck that game.

[@azuredragoon2054]

List Idea: 7 Bosses who ran from you Because they liked it when you chased them, or perhaps were escaping to avoid an L, these bosses ran away from you, the Hero

[@TheBlackSeraph]

Gilgamesh from FF5/FF8 Gogo from FF5 (technically he X-Zones himself so that may not count)

[@derwykynger]

I always feel like I have to defend AC3. True, it's not nearly as good as the Ezio games, but I found the setting to be very interesting and the story quite compelling. The whole beginning bit where you play as Haytham is just *chefs kiss*. But I understand the criticism, I just hope that won't stop people who have never played the game from trying it for themselves :)

[@splatninja9447]

Ac3 is the game that brought me back to the series. I get everyone loves the Ezio collection, but the dudes voice makes my skin crawl, idk why.

[@typeomaiden4038]

I enjoyed my time with AC3. It's definitely not as bad as people make it out to be.

[@daegiovanni5864]

I went to purchase a two-handed zweihander, but first I had to put my PIN number into an ATM machine.

[@Smeelio]

My suggestion for this would be Alan Wake's American Nightmare! More arcadey and less spooky than the main game, but still very fun with compelling characters and story and combat, and it spotlights Mr Scratch as the villain; he's great and didn't get airtime in the first game, so it's the only chance he has to shine until Alan Wake 2 releases

[@TrickyTalon23]

Games like Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Hitman Absolution, and Splinter Cell Conviction aren’t hated for being bad video games, but because they’re so different from the other games in their franchise. They’re great games in their own right, but fans of their series understandably expect them to stay true to the formula they are titled under, and end up disappointed when that is not the case.

[@xstarsystemsx]

People don't like AC Odyssey???? It's one of my favourites. (And, no, not only because of my huge crush on Kassandra.) 😆

[@brentage5000]

This. Absolution is one of my favorite games and really made me a fan of the Hitman franchise, so when I found out that it was disliked -- or even mocked -- among gamers, I was perplexed beyond belief.

[@thompse412]

People who hate on Odyssey for being different just have bad opinions. They should hate on it for being a grindfest that makes you feel like you're doing Genshin Impact dailies or something, and can never keep up with gear upgrades

[@thompse412]

​@@xstarsystemsxexactly!

[@vaspeter2600]

Odyssey isn't hated. It's just... decent, I guess? The usual consensus is that it's not bad but not one of the really good AC titles, either.

[@theyinyang1103]

I loved the story of Pokémon S/V, my second favorite generation after gen 3. The 3 main friends we’re given greats stories. I experienced little in frame drops beyond the infamous choppy classroom and on the lake. The open world feels like a step in the right direction, outbreaks are fun for shiny hunting, and the reduced dex is a mercy (who wants to catch all 1000+ mons?j. S/V just suffered from adherence to a schedule that they could’ve extended in order to polish it up, but I still feel like BDSP got more hate than S/V did.

[@savvythedivineyethuggable7493]

*The 3 main friends were given greats stories.

[@FeiFongWang]

Alright, this comment was written by a bot. So now we know that instead of using their infinite resources to make a somewhat competent game, they instead use their money to create bot farms to sway public opinions for their godawful 4/10 games...

[@ArtzyZero]

@@FeiFongWang Ha! TPC doesn't need to do something so daft, they always make a profit on their games regardless of their quality and it's why they've had little incentive to give Game Freak more time to work on these games. They make most of their profits from merchandise, with the games and anime basically being there to promote said merch. I'll bash the current quality of the games because they are bad but I still love Pokémon and often buy merch and I know many fans do the same.

[@savvythedivineyethuggable7493]

No proof + Ratio + cope, mald, seethe + you're maidenless@@FeiFongWang

[@Taracinablue]

I was expecting Andy to pop in for the Mario Sunshine, lol

[@_Shadoh_]

Man I love Dark Souls 2 so much! Hurts every time to see it on these lists 😔

[@rooster1610]

It's a decent game, just not a good Dark Souls game. People who defend DS2 to the death (not saying you're one of them) often brush aside genuine criticism simply because "well I liked it so it's a good game"

[@stephenbrentlinger6812]

Oh DS2 is the worst one. It’s also my favorite, but it’s the worst.

[@randomanimefan2455]

Damn bro, I haven't played. I'm planning to after I finish the first one. I hope it exceeds the apparent lack of hype 🤔

[@somniloquous0]

yes it's janky af and most of the bosses suck but i still enjoyed it more than ds3...

[@voodoominerman]

As the others say, it's not exactly a bad game, it's just clearly the worst soulsborne game. The most notable things to me are the combat, which just feels way too slow/weighty, and the bosses. Of the 32 bosses in the base game (plus aldia), I'd call maybe 10 of them good, with a lot of them being super forgettable/easy, and some being downright bad/tedious.

[@stephenadams8712]

I actually agree with pokemon's choice not to include the full pokedex in sword and shield /scarlet and violet because it allows the new pokemon to shine

[@Leith_Crowther]

I agree with it because NO, I AM NOT CATCHING OVER A THOUSAND POKEMON.

[@MythicFox]

Same. I feel like the game loses something when people can just port over their over-tuned team from last gen and steamroll it.

[@nolongeraperson]

It's even great in the competitive meta as well. For a time, you get to use Pokémon that don't normally see use because their better counterparts aren't in the game yet.

[@benstevens44]

I, however, strongly disagree with the decision not to have some kind of a Stadium game which allows people to use the entire back catalog. I'm pretty sure there are still quite a few pokemon that haven't seen the light of day since Alola, trapped in Home with nowhere to go.

[@SERMareep2007]

They did that in gen 7 yet the made pokemon not in the dex transferable so any Pokemon pre gen 8 was on the game. They could easily do that now

[@shielddrake42]

I kind of feel like Sword/Shield fits the Pokémon category for this list better than Scarlet/Violet…but I also seemed to not encounter most of the glitches that other people did for some reason, and Sword/Shield was a lot more problematic in terms of story and Pokédex for me.

[@kennystoneman2584]

I actually loved Zelda II: The Adventure of Link back in the day. I had both it and the original gold cartridge Legend of Zelda on NES, and I have fond memories of both. I actually think I may have played more of Zelda II.

[@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan]

Zelda 2 was awesome!!! It was the 8th best selling NES game. You don't sell that many copies by sucking. All these people who crap talk it are comparing, UNFAIRLY, it to modern games. All I ask is when are they going to compare the Ford model t to the Lexus LFA, the hindenberg to the concord, a steam locomotive to a mag lev bullet train?

[@thompse412]

I like what they were trying to do with it, but it was the buggiest Nintendo game I've ever played. So easy to screw yourself over

[@thompse412]

@@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan bro I compare it to Zelda 1, or Metroid. Neither game made me feel as utterly *screwed* by a basic encounter as Zelda2. I appreciate what the developers were trying to do, but it's the buggiest Nintendo game I've ever played.

[@cmdraftbrn]

that ....thing.... can burn in the hellfire of death mountain. and majora's mask too.

[@thompse412]

@@cmdraftbrn You spoke sooth until you insulted MM

[@poodlemuffin]

After finishing the campaign on Power Wash Simulator this weekend, I’d love a list that covers things like the ending levels of that. Was not expecting it to go all sci-fi. The bonus content makes more sense after it though.

[@SolaScientia]

That would be a good one. I knew something weird was happening, but I really didn't expect it to take that turn at the end.

[@ShaenMOGaming]

It has an ending? I got a bit sidetracked with the FF7 and other bonus stuff.

[@SolaScientia]

@@ShaenMOGaming Yep. The main career mode has a definitive ending that's meant to explain all the weird stuff happening around town. The last level to clean honestly takes a while and is a bit annoying, but it's not the worst one (I don't like the subway level at all).

[@CantankerousDave]

My brain processed that title as Power Welsh Simulator…

[@NeriVela]

😊😅😅😅

[@saxxykev87]

I nominate Armored Core 5. The series is in a good place now and I loved AC5, but people hated the extreme loss in mobility coming from AC4 & AC4A.

[@jrod1577]

I absolutely agree. AC4 was way too easy and the missions ended within seconds. I mean, I still enjoyed it but AC5 was forsure unloved because the AC4 players wanted more of AC4 but it wasnt really "Armored Core". There was only like 5 total missions that actually took some effort and even then they finished within a minute or so. It was a playable game but it was a terrible "Armored Core" game. The only thing it had going for it was its speed BUT that was the same reason why the game sucked. Missions and pvp maps were all wide open spaces because the ACs moved way too fast and QB'd way too far across the map. Obstacles would just make them run into things. In PvP it was fun for a short while, but AC build strategies were pointless as all you needed to be competitive was faster reflexes and make sure your AC had infinite flight parts. It felt like they tried to make AC a twitch-based-shooter and i feel like the gamers that loved that kind of gameplay are the ones that loved AC4 and then they jumped in AC5 and got upset that Armored Core was Armored Core again when they expected more Gundam: Call of Duty-Core. 😂 AC5 was flawed, but it was wayyyyy better as an AC game as it went back to what made AC great. Some new design decisions were hit-or-miss and some were awkward, but overall it was a much better AC experience with much more variety and depth than 4/4A. AC6 on the other hand, chefs kiss. ❤

[@anlize3422]

Also the scan mode as the better way to recover energy. And the how the damage types worked, granting enemies immunity to some types. While the downgrade in speed was a issue, I don't like AC5 mainly because of these 2. Also the fact the said ultimate weapons were only a "rule of cool" thing that wasn't very useful.

[@axlejones6281]

as someone who sadly missed AC4 but stumbled on ACVD by chance i enjoyed the game a lot, it hit a nice area for me that most other mech games dont, the customization, the UNACs and the fact the ACs werent unrealistically mobile yet not so slow they are basically just humanoid tanks was just really satisfying for me, also really like the soundtrack, need to get AC6 but from what i've heard so far its soundtrack doesnt do it for me as much as ACVDs did

[@manolismarinakis8444]

I expected something special on Mario Sunshine Wasn't disappointed

[@adamroc123]

No Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness? People always look at me like I've gone mad whenever I bring it up as one of my favourite Tomb Raider games.

[@jm0112]

The Zelda 2 slander always gets me

[@Dustin_Frost]

I haven't played it myself but I don't think it's fair to call it "Unloved" when the franchise is so old. And for what it's worth, tears is the one that I would never replay. And skyward.

[@Olivia-ev9hk]

Very much not unloved. There is a thriving speed run community and rando tournament community for Zelda II

[@mascadadelpantion8018]

I absolutely loved Dark Souls. And I love devil make cry2. So I so I truly do relate to poor Luke and his Mario sunshine fixation. Also, he has a really cool shirt on today Also a huge fan of pablo honey😜

[@cupiderstunt]

Oh man, I remember first finding these "7 Games..." videos. True it was about 7 years ago, but I still managed to binge watch FAR too many in many sittings!

[@pokemonking4613]

7:00 I only encountered 1 glitch in my entire play time when a dugtrio pushed me out of bounds when I ran from it

[@huntermengel2683]

I get its divisive, but honestly scarlet/violet are probably my favorites of the series. The main complaints either dont bother me or I havnt experienced any. Not trying to invalidate anyone else's criticisms but these games are easily my favorite in the series. I dont really get the hate

[@FeiFongWang]

This is what being so whipped by a franchise that you can't even see when you're getting Gamecube quality games in 2020's looks like. 👆

[@craigyeah1052]

I've never been one to notice jank or graphical issues myself. Game is divisive but the idea that it's the black sheep or odd one out of the franchise is a stretch to me especially with it still being the most recent.

[@Paz_Y_Pax]

Zelda 2 is my 2nd favorite right behind Link to the past. There wasn't a formula back then so games changed a lot between installments. Also I will die on the hill that 76 is really fun.

[@HylianFox3]

Zelda II is a prime example of a game that's been hated retroactively. People liked it well enough when it first released, because there wasn't a "Zelda formula" back then for it to be graded against. Fun Fact: OoT was originally conceived as a Zelda II 2.5D remake.

[@nono-ch8oy]

This is what happens when you have expectations. I go into games blind

[@HazeEmry]

But you at least expect the game to be playable right? 😅

[@AloneTheorist]

The only real problem I've had in my Pokémon violet game is during crystal raid battles, the raid Mon was ignoring it's stats being lowered and or any status conditions inflicted upon it. Imaging inflicting paralysis on a tough opponent to get some breathing room, only to find it never misses a turn due to this condition and it hits you with two critical hits in a row effectively preventing you from engaging in the battle at all as your Pokémon faints the second it recovers and is resent into the battle. Bearing in mind that each time you faint in these battles you lose a major chunk of the battle timer which means you can be automatically kicked from the crystal cavern if the timer hits zero, which will happen if your Pokémon faints roughly 3 times during the raid.

[@ryanpeters3812]

My example of this is Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. Epic lost tribe of dragon in human form turned into demon devouring you from the inside of you use the power. The fun of the games was learning, and using, the power of dragons as you aged and fought a God. Punishing you for using it was counter intuitive from the start. Add in the terrible save system that let you save only a handful (ie single digit) amount of times over the rpg... It killed the series. Or Dark Dawn, which killed the Golden Sun series. Maybe mine are more series killers than just black sheep.

[@Battlesny]

What was wrong with Golden Sun 3? I loved it. I'm still waiting for Golden Sun 4.

[@ryanpeters3812]

@@Battlesny My biggest 4 gripes were: 1: The inability to backtrack to some areas, locking off Djinn. This made it feel like if you don't use a guide, you'll miss out. 2: The ease of combat. Weapon abilities are awesome, but some made the game so easy you almost didn't have to try. Creativity lacked for many areas. 3: Ease of puzzles. In 1+2, certain areas required new uses of old psynergy, like lash to stop a gear. The puzzles in 3, though, seemed far more like use item or psynergy here. 4, the biggest issue: The characters were bland compared to 1 or 2. Hime was so late and her arc was basically chosen by artifact, go with. Eoleo wanted revenge, but never developed more of a personality, compared to the first games, where the characters were scholars. Shiba pointing out the power of wind changing a tribe, and also challenging the status quo of the hero needing to be male. It made her seem more smart and resourceful. Someone once said that the issue with 3 is that the main characters are being acted upon instead of choosing their path, and I think that sums up the issues nicely. Don't get me wrong, I still like 3 over many games, and yearn for 4, but it is the weakest of the entries by a significant margin.

[@cheese5595]

what about mario party 9 and 10? Those were the games where they forced everyone to sit in the same car, removed coins, made the maps more linear than my ruler and where they added boss battles.

[@RoxasTheHeroOfTime]

Guys you missed the most obvious one Phantasy Star Online Episode III. Phantasy star online episode I & II was an amazing dungeon crawler, 12 characters to pick from, side missions, 8 maps with several levels that are randomized. 100s of weapons to rare hunt for and a pet robot to raise like chaos in sonic and it was made my by sonic team. It was even two game in one. Also there are still private online servers to this day with 100s still playing 20 years later...but episode 3 was a card game....a card game...like what were they thinking??

[@kirstyf]

I have fond memories of spending time in Delfino Plaza.

[@Siilwa]

I just know that Ellen is gonna put AC3 on the list before even watching the video 😭😂 It's one of my favorite AC games and it doesn't get enough love 😢

[@HeinerGunnar]

I can never forgive it for introducing ships into AC, a mechanic that ruined four different games in the franchise for me

[@Siilwa]

@@HeinerGunnar 100 %. I did not enjoy the ship combat in AC3 (and the other times it's appeared in the franchise), the only thing keeping me from my AC3 platinum trophy is a mission with ship combat in it... 🥲

[@HeinerGunnar]

@@Siilwa I'm currently forcing myself through AC Rogue after having abandoned it years ago in the first chapter because I was just so done with the ship stuff after Black Flag

[@Dustin_Frost]

​@@HeinerGunnarOMG, you're right! I completely repressed that memory. I don't like water in video games. I never have and I never will. I was originally going to say I'm American and even I didn't enjoy it but one day I may try it again. But you reminded me of ships.

[@Siilwa]

@@HeinerGunnar I really want to play Black Flag but all of those ships mechanics has scared me off 😅

[@FaunaJoy]

I've never really understood the complaints about no national dex in recent Pokemon games. I've never really been a completionist, so maybe that's why? And I must've been really lucky with my playthrough of Violet cause I barely had any problems. I had framerate stutter a couple times, but it wasn't game breaking. I was honestly confused when I heard about and saw all the complaints. My best guess is that I wasn't playing online, so didn't come across most of them?

[@spiritmuse]

Yeah honestly at this point I think it's becoming unreasonable to demand that they include all 1000+ Pokémon in every new game. It's just way too many. To develop, as well as collect and keep track of. There's a reason I gave up on playing the games after Ruby/Sapphire.

[@FaunaJoy]

@@spiritmuse I always just focus on the pokemon from that specific region, with exception for regional variants. I only recently learned that that's apparently some kind of challenge called "Gen Lock" among other players.

[@tympestbooks1727]

I think a lot of the complaints are less that you cannot catch every single pokemon in the newer games, but that you can't bring your old favorite pokemon with you anymore unless they're among the ones included. This is likely made worse by the way Sw/Sh's Dexit turned out to be Gamefreak lying to players, both in the form of a lot of missing pokemon's data being found in the game files and in them having said that they couldn't just patch pokemon in later and then doing just that for the DLC

[@craigyeah1052]

As a big competitive player I love the limited pokedex allowing old pokemon too shine in different metas. Never understood the complaints either.

[@hiatusinc]

Im a weirdo who loved AC3 and it was the only AC game I played twice Also another unloved game in a series is FFXIII which incidentally I also loved Why do people dislike these adorable sweet children? They have done nothing wrong!!

[@MrSkysenGames]

I enjoyed Link's Adventure. It was familiar, but different, gave us iconic music, and added a _lot_ of what became traditional Zelda...stuff. Names, tools, Shadow Link. Sadly, not much in enemies. I demand a 3D Horsehead guy fight.

[@maratuzero]

It felt more like an honorable mention in this video. Only complaint is it's different than the rest. This was always one of my favorite zeldas and Ocarina of Time feels like they just jammed as much of 2 into Link to the past as possible without making it the majority

[@DefinitelyAPotato]

"A two-handed zweihander" what do you think zweihander means?

[@strictlygrey]

Was shocked to not see ME: Andromeda in this list. Which is nice because I really liked it, in the most part 😂

[@agwasp]

The existence of that game is not acknowledged 😂 (I actually didn’t hate it - it’s a fun albeit imperfect game!)

[@austinyahr7285]

Darksiders 2, Fable 3, Halo 4, Far Cry 5 and 6, and Bioshock 2 all come to mind. All series I love, but definitely a massive step down with these games.

[@danishpuma]

You should do a "games that people hate but are quite decent" I'll name two i had lot of fun with: Anthem and Andromeda.

[@gamerpone1792]

SV still pretty well liked

[@zacharysmith4856]

Not sure if this would be counted as a beloved series by all, but I really enjoyed the Prince of Persia games over the years. Except one. Prince of Persia: Warrior Within… the sequel to Sands of Time. That game hurt me in so many ways,not least of which was changing the entire tone that I loved from the first game.

[@user-pq5ux6ip4i]

Interesting, that was my favorite... although it was on a phone. Before they had sensor screens, mind you.

[@TheManOfManyNames373]

I'd argue that Paper Mario: Sticker Star is more unloved than Sunshine. At least you can still have fun with Sunshine. At least Sunshine has an interesting meta that lets you use tips and tricks to make levels more fun. At least Sunshine introduced new elements to the series. At least the Mario platformers got better and were unafraid to change things.

[@tubensalat1453]

Out of the AC games I played III was the one I didn't finish. But seeing the footage I remembered being stuck at the river at the exact same spot, lol.

[@user-hs1xb9tv6e]

While I do admit that scarlet and violet has its issues, I actually really like it. It has a pretty good roaster of new pokemons and one of the best stories in the series.

[@Leith_Crowther]

I just want the next game to have a criminal team of criminals again.

[@happypasta6]

I really think that Sword/Shield would have been more “deserving” of being on this list.

[@weneedaladder8384]

​@@happypasta6I feel like people had more sympathy for sword/shield, though, since it seemed like it was trying a new thing and tripping over its feet. Whereas scarlet/violet came right after Arceus, which really seemed like it had got its shit together only for s/v to fail at some really basic stuff. It really looked like the beta version of a good pokemon game released two years early. While s/s wasn't great, it was at least finished.

[@happypasta6]

@@weneedaladder8384 that’s fair. Personally I’ve just gotten lucky without too many bugs and just in general I enjoyed Violet a lot more while Sword was a chore to play. I never even bought the DLC for Sword but I did for Violet and I liked it well enough so far.

[@MythicFox]

@@weneedaladder8384That sympathy came in retrospect. I recall all the Terminally Online shrieking about 'Dexit' when it came out, and other pissing and moaning that seemed to come from people expecting 'BotW, but with Pokémon.'

[@anarky1765]

Batman: Arkham Origins and Hitman: Absolution. The former was hated for being unpolished, feeling like “Arkham City at home”, and not having Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill as Batman and Joker, and the latter was hated for being painfully linear and having a bad story.

[@agwasp]

Hitman absolution was the first one I played. Im glad I came to it knowing nothing about hitman because I got to enjoy it as an absolutely brilliant game 👌🏻

[@anarky1765]

@@agwaspSame here

[@Poppi_QT]

Hitman: Absolution and Splinter Cell: Conviction come to mind. Games that focus more on open combat instead of the stealth that people liked about the franchises.

[@SkyScraperC]

I'd like to make a recommendation for a list video: how about games that punished you for playing on the easy difficulty setting? My suggestion for this would be Megaman X8. A game with so many hidden secrets and collectables, but you couldn't get 70% of them if you played on easy. Not to mention, the game won't even let you fight the final boss!! It just stops you right before it.

[@thajocoth]

Mario Sunshine is wonderful! I replayed it again just a few months ago!

[@stevenn1940]

It's not thr best mario game, but it is good. I think it has reputation for the same reason people didn't like wind waker: they were expecting something else

[@thajocoth]

@@stevenn1940 The only problem that I have with Wind Waker is that they didn't finish it. Two more dungeons and a more thought-out Triforce hunt would've been great! But that's just wanting more of a great game, and I tend to want more of a lot of the great games I enjoy.

[@regiboi7709]

​@@thajocoth cdotkom would like to know your location.

[@thajocoth]

@@regiboi7709 I don't know what that is.

[@regiboi7709]

@@thajocoth A funny youtuber. He is so biased towards Wind Waker.

[@SpitefulJD]

How is scarlet and violet on this list but brilliant diamond and shining pearl aren't?

[@crimsonemperor2219]

I was asking myself this exact same question, Gamefreak letting ILCA have control of the Gen 4 remake was a slap in the face

[@BAMFshee]

Or even Sword and Shield. Most of the segment on ScarVio talked about Dexit, and SwSh was the first game to do that. Sure, it wasn't as buggy as ScarVio, but it looked worse, had significantly worse story and characters, didn't have the fun open-world exploration or mount, and its unique battle gimmick (Dynamax) couldn't even be used for most of the single-player campaign (aside from Raids) and was *so* slow that it slowed most battles that you could use it in to a snail's pace. For all of ScarVio's flaws, it's leagues better than SwSh ever were.

[@greenhydra10]

Maybe 'cause they're remakes?

[@Blitzkava]

Because Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl don't T-Pose in the opening cutscene, lag constantly in the overworld, glitch through the world when exploring & battling, have the worst raid system ever implemented and crash constantly when just trying to play the game.

[@SpitefulJD]

@@Blitzkava and somehow brilliant diamond and shining pearl sold less copies, and sure, those glitches are a big problem, but here's the thing, you can usually fix glitches, but unless you scrap aspects of the game you're not fixing bad game design

[@typeomaiden4038]

Dark Souls 2 deserves WAY more love. It's by far my favorite in the series. The story is a highlight for me. I like that it's not a direct sequel, and in true FromSoft fashion, it only really hints at its connections to the first. The DLC is arguably the best in the Souls series as well.

[@UncleMoke476]

Dark Souls 2 is my favorite Dark Souls game. The only issue I had with it was the rolling invincibility frame mechanic. And Scarlet/Violet had some really good characters and story but just was not fun to play, the exact opposite of Sword/Shield, which had boring characters and story but was still fun to play.

[@pearlfan23]

Okay I don't see why people hate on Scarlet and Violet, yeah it's buggy but it's still fun Edit: BDSP should have gotten on this list instead of SV, not because of my own personal opinion (because I kinda like it) but because of the general fanbase’s opinion, which isn't positive

[@Konpekikaminari]

That's pretty much it It's >95% the technical issues,

[@lnsflare1]

It's a combination of it having terrible performance and lackluster art direction for the much touted open world despite having more money than the guy that God borrows money from. Also, the lack of level scaling for at least the gym leaders.

[@pearlfan23]

@@Konpekikaminari personally I don't really care about frame rate or how the graphics look in games, as long as its fun I will like it

[@pearlfan23]

@@lnsflare1 fair, but still, I think it's fun

[@lnsflare1]

@@pearlfan23 The general sentiment I saw was essentially, "this is very fun, and I'm absolutely furious how GameFreak is insulting it's player base by releasing it in this half-assed state despite having the most profitable IP in the world."

[@ImperialWill421]

Ace Combat Assault Horizon. Treated as the black sheep of the series and introduced game modes where you man a helicopter's side gun, a C-130 Spooky artillery console, an attack helicopter, and a B1. From what I heard, it was viewed by most as a game-long interactive cutscene.

[@jonathanwilliams1776]

I hated that game, don't think I even finished it. All those issues were there, but the one that bugged me the most was the soundtrack - it was too intrusive and attention grabbing. Video game music should be in the background to the gameplay. Normally Ace Combat games are great for that, Assault Horizon got it really badly wrong. Good music, not what a game needs

[@ImperialWill421]

@@jonathanwilliams1776 I don't even remember the music, but I managed to beat it. What I didn't like was the fact that flares felt like they worked only when they wanted to and let you die every time when you need them to. On top of that, named enemies related to the story were made invincible and only died when the story demanded it.

[@jonathanwilliams1776]

@@ImperialWill421 It's very irritating when game mechanics don't work or things are obviously railroaded

[@michaelandreipalon359]

My personal recommendations for the list: - Red Faction II (and also Armageddon) - Escape from Monkey Island and perhaps even Tales of Monkey Island - X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter - Tiberian Twilight; also, Red Alert 3 - Deus Ex: Invisible War (and maybe even Mankind Divided) - Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus - Hitman: Absolution - Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2 - Desperados 2: Cooper's Revenge - Commandos 3: Destination Berlin - Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation - Unreal II: The Awakening - Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III - Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion - Star Control III

[@velzekt4598]

Assassin's Creed 3 is a more accurate representation of the Revolutionary War than what they teach in American elementary schools.

[@maxvel0city906]

Luke, I know I'll put Assassins Creed 3 in that will annoy Ellen as she really liked that game.😂 At the same time Ellen, I know I'll put Super Mario Sunshine in, that'll annoy Luke as he really liked that game.😂

[@sneaksyranger]

Plot twist: Oxbox put them both in to try and turn Luke and Ellen against each other

[@johannord4778]

Andy’s plot to break up outsidextra

[@LunaBeth97]

The original violet story actually made me cry as I have issues with bullying in the past but I've really struggled to get into the new dlc. Idk if it's just my depression making a comeback but I just haven't wanted to play it at all 😢

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

What do you mean "The original violet story"? They didn't change the story.

[@mistermaxie6487]

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 They mean the base game

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

@@mistermaxie6487 Yeah, they would also mean that if they just said "The story for Violet." They don't need to specify "The original story" because there is no variation of the base story.

[@quelanathecrow]

hang in there! I can totally relate to how tough it is when depression gets in the way of enjoying things, the dlc will be there when you are feeling it and you will! hope the random comment is OK, sending good vibes ^.^ (also idk what this other person is on about, what you wrote was obviously fine)

[@sparrowflyaway]

I'm one of the weirdos who liked Scarlet and Violet. The only bug I've encountered was when I was wedged in a corner in on a ledge in a cave and clipped out of bounds due to a Pokémon battle(which, to be fair, where else was it going to put me for the battle, it was a tiny ledge) that I simply quick-travelled to escape; the frame rate was curiously better for me playing in handheld mode than it was for my partner playing docked(to the point where I only really noticed a little in Lagtree Thicket and none at all the rest of the time); and the story was by far the most compelling and heart-breaking of any Pokémon game to date, with characters who actually had solid motivations for what they did. Nemona's not the regular rival who wants to be the best; she already is the best, and wants someone who can give her a challenge, but she isn't obnoxious about it, she genuinely wants to be your friend and is happy when you beat her. Penny and the whole "evil team" she leads are actually entirely misunderstood bullied kids who got in deep trouble for standing up to their bullies after who knows how long of the school system failing them, and are trying to stand up for themselves against the system that was still continuing to fail them up until the point you and the game's plot came along and started showing the problem for what it was. And Arven''s a neglected kid who just wants to see his dog healthy again, even if that means taking on gigantic dangerous Pokémon - all the while silently dealing with his mommy/daddy issues over everyone revering his professor parent who neglected him for their research his whole life. Finding out that the person everyone's been speaking to this whole time is just a robot created by his real parent who's actually been dead this entire time would crush anyone, but he handled it with a LARGE amount of grace considering he's a teenager at best. These kids had *character*, personality, *heart*. They felt like *real people*, far more than any other rival character has to date. Scarlet and Violet are such a hidden treasure(DLC pun not intended, lol), people shouldn't dismiss them just because there were more than a few bumps at the launch of an ambitious format that they'd never done before.

[@mennoantheunisse3933]

Great list, you guys nailed it.