Overengineering a Toaster Oven into a PID controlled Tempering Oven - ElementalMaker

In this video we convert an old toaster oven into a higher temp capable PID controlled tempering oven for use with tempering and chemistry projects.
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[@ElementalMaker]

Thanks for watching! Parts list in description. Please help keep the channel sponsor free at www.patreon.com/elementalmaker. Every patron gets a virtual hug and my unending appreciation. I will also build a small shrine to worship you. One of these is a lie.

[@purelife9000]

Just worship Jesus, but I'll sign up for the virtual hug, Bob!!!! 😉 And I Tweeted my support to 13,100 people. You do great vids, keep it up! @The_L_Humphreys

[@ElementalMaker]

@@purelife9000 thank you so much Luke!

[@MichaelMantion]

When applying thermal compound you do not want to trap air, as it is obviously not a good conductor of heat. its best to make either a line or drop in the middle then push together till it squeezes out the edge. The best stuff i found is the theremal epoxy from the tech ingredients youtube channel. They sell it on ebay. Let me know if you need more information.

[@ElementalMaker]

@@MichaelMantion You are absolutely correct. This ssr isn't as critical as a CPU, and was significantly larger than a CPU's lid, so I just went with the slather and go approach. When I build my editing rig I used arctic silver (with the proper application technique lol). I wish tech ingredients compound was around back when I built it. How are your temps with it compared to other thermal compounds?

[@tek4]

When the elements burn, and I sadly think they will, look up nicrome /kenthal wire on Amazon. A hundred feet is like 10$ for 24 guage or 20 guage. You can spin new elements similar to kiln type and get a high enough resistance to run them, and have a higher temp rating. Use the lathe and dowel method slow speed to wind em and it's how I make my shitty kiln run

[@RichardCranium321]

"Don't do this at home" I see you're at your in-law's again... 😉

[@tenkillcombo]

Overclocking a Facebook special cheap chinese toaster with cheap chinese electronics...... What could possibly go wrong 😂🤣😂🤣🤪

[@ElementalMaker]

Sounds like a pretty bulletproof plan to me! 😁

[@bdf2718]

Photonic Induction used to overclock things. A lot. That's how we know what can possibly go wrong.

[@ElementalMaker]

@@bdf2718 omg I forgot about his channel! What ever happened to him? His videos were nuts

[@bdf2718]

@@ElementalMaker His wife divorced him, so he got depressed and stopped making videos. Eventually he recovered a little, made a few videos, and then fell for some woman in India. That made him depressed again, because she couldn't gain entry to marry him. I'm not sure what happened after that. One theory is he moved to India, married her, and is now so thoroughly pussy-whipped he's no longer allowed to make videos. :(

[@ElementalMaker]

@@bdf2718 oh man what a dismal downfall. That's a real shame I enjoyed his content.

[@michaelrobertson8795]

Yes sir I'm an industrial electrician and we used a bunch of the solid state relays.👍

[@procactus9109]

In your opinion, how reliable are they, and is there anything you know of that kills or shortens their life ?

[@Jimmeh_B]

@@procactus9109 They're pretty solid.

[@firstmkb]

ProCactus well, heat isn't good for any solid state device, so keep them cool. Just a joke - don't know as much as a pro, and you're not going to keep anything cool inside an overclocked toaster oven. Heavy gauge wire and mounting the relay elsewhere (not in the oven) would help.

[@DMWatchesYoutube]

@@Jimmeh_B ha!

[@lithostheory]

You could make some great Napolitanian style pizzas in that oven :^)

[@ElementalMaker]

I never even considered that, but might have to try it! 😁

[@ImFromIowa]

@Lithosptheory you may have to send him a recipe on that.

[@michaelrobertson8795]

You got to do the Ruby thing again man that was awesome🤯

[@Derived_One]

I know someone created a PID library for the Arduino; which, would allow for the addition of MQ2 sensor and a fail safe relay for dumping AC in case of an emergency.

[@LevitatingCups]

this

[@RichardCranium321]

Imagine trying to pitch this to any network - "So, I buy a $10 toaster to take apart and rebuild it better. People will LOVE IT!! So what do you think?..." 😅 But somehow its entertaining as always. 👍🏼

[@ElementalMaker]

Haha I was literally thinking that the other day. I could kind of see Mythbusters doing something similar, but that's about it. Or of course junkyard wars back in the day

[@RichardCranium321]

@@ElementalMaker still high quality as always... Hope everyone's feeling better! Oh, also, I kno u use patreon but they might be in some legal/financial trouble, may wanna look into Subscribestar. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqmXZ5SKiNqLaMk

[@bdf2718]

Yes, but does it result in classic lines like "The sausage roll has malfunctioned"? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHOodpqhqtSqfpY And kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5zNpZJ-qrF3b9k

[@lithostheory]

Was this inspired by Alex’ antics in his quest to make Napolitanian style pizza in a home oven?

[@ElementalMaker]

I actually thought this was an original project until I started it and saw about 600 other KZbinrs have done similar videos lol.

[@bh5097]

Starlight by Nighthawkinlight you wont be disapointed.

[@ElementalMaker]

Seen it and loved it! His videos are always a treat

[@mrgodBG]

It's like you are AvEs lost brother - you sound a LOT like him, speek similiar and editing also :) I would wish to see colab between you and AvE

[@VexChoccyMilk]

I'm not entirely unconvinced that they are the same person using different microphones on each channel.

[@manishholla]

Seriously dude... My reaction was the same.... I checked his and AvE's channel so many times to look out for similarities... They both are different persons... 😅

[@MichaelMacGyver]

9:05 Clearly you mustn't have read the instructions properly, that's clearly the "time for a beer" indicator.

[@countryautobody7079]

700 dungarees Frankenstein now that's hot! great video as always .

[@kennethyoung141]

Always look forward to your videos! Missed your humour! The Satan night ,who did you sacrifice in trade?

[@itsevilbert]

Thanks for the tip about SSR's failing short circuit. Very useful knowledge to share.

[@soranuareane]

Glad you're safe. Was just thinking about you a few days ago, wondering how you were doing. The virus has taken so many lives and I'm glad your family aren't contributing to those numbers. Take your time on the uploads. We want you safe. But if you do burn down your house, catch it on video will ya? Edit out the parts the insurance adjusters want, of course.

[@michaelrecine7626]

I'm currently doing a similar build with an old toaster oven right now, but I'm making it into a reflow oven. I was super confused as to how the temperature control in the oven worked (mine uses the same method as yours). I appreciate you taking the time to explain it, it's actually quite ingenious even if less reliable.

[@patman0250]

Question, is this the AVE guy cuz it sounds a hell of a lot like him.

[@pulesjet]

Nice SMD Reflow oven ya built.

[@ElementalMaker]

Great idea for it 👍

[@PyroRob69]

If you had made the PID controller external, you could use this for a still controller, and to manage temps on your bullet casting lead pot.

[@BensWorkshop]

Just watched an advert for an Emerson solid state pressure gauge, extolling its safety features. I think they are advertising on the wrong channel. ;)

[@RyeOnHam]

Please let me know when the gofundme is live to replace your burnt-down house.

[@ElementalMaker]

It'll be hard to burn down a 1950's cinder block and plaster house. I think we might need a tank to come in and assist. I'd love to build fresh! To have a house with insulation would save so much money

[@RyeOnHam]

@@ElementalMaker I have a PID controller that does double duty in a toaster oven and a lead melting pot. I also dip it in my wheel weight melting batches so I don't get any zinc. Gotta keep it below Zinc melting point. Haven't burned anything down yet.

[@Aaron48219]

I'm thinking the elements should be ok. Backyard Scientist did something similar with a full size electric kitchen oven a while back and got it up to 1300-1400f (786c) and melted aluminum for PLA casting. Search backyard Scientist kiln. I've been saving cpu heatsinks for years and Linus would be very proud of your compound application lmao.

[@jaratt85]

You should play with magnatrons and see if you can replicate the happy accident that Jamie Hyneman did on Mythbusters.. He tried making a super microwave using 4 magnatrons inside a roundly 12 inch cube and one on each side and instead of heating it ended up cooling the stuff inside of it. Your rocker switch has a rocker switch.

[@CLMCR8]

I made one for Decarboxylating . I use an old gutted PC power supply (box) and it's fan to cool the SSR. All in one deal PID controller, SSR, cooling fan with power switch. Use the oven timer to prevent stuck SSR.

[@MercAudio99]

100 degrees more and you can market it as the 800 degrees mini pizza oven😂😂😂 Incase they don't have it in your area, there's a custom pizza place called 800 degrees out in Los angeles

[@djberg3483]

So I finally decided to check out some of your non rocket related shit. And as always it arises questions, while making the wheel turn alittle more in the gerbil cage of my brain. First n foremost, was that a snap on soldering iron or another brand if so what brand(since they out source everything)? We run the snap on stuff at work, but fuck me are they pricey, but not being tethered to a wall is useful working on 30-60k# molds, that you can't easily move into our electrical area. Second more of a statement, and I get just doing it for the science, but i think you're spot on with the finding a kiln for this application(as I am as well), plus that could easily be filled with argon(top loading of course), for anti-oxidation purposes and keep some balloons close to blow up and check your argon level while filling. Leave the sketchy taoster oven to dry out welding rods, still a very noble job for a brave little toaster. Lastly if you're doing alot of t.c. shit let me know I'll send you some "scrap" constantan, add some copper wire and you have negative millivolts. Some of our wire harnesses have 44- 35' 16g wires in them.

[@mute8s]

I am planning on picking up a toaster oven for powder coating some projectiles and while I don't need to worry about any of this for that it's always nice to see how things work in case I ever do need to ramp things up. I was just thinking if this doesn't work out for you I imagine you could probably get a lee lead pot for pretty cheap and that would definitely get up to temp for ya. Anyhow keep up the good work.

[@jdecar1]

I got a real nice big convection toaster oven for the same purpose. It was too nice and has been serving kitchen duty instead. I might give it new life with this video though. Great idea.

[@cameronbruce1862]

I would add a "Thermal link" or two. Most appliances these days often incorporate them. Loved the thermal transfer link for temp sensing, original thinking. Often the UL requires these in transformers, usually buried deep in the windings and when they trip, blow the insulation of the transformer has been heat stressed out of specification and are no longer UL compliant. Hence their location.

[@gjdunga]

Just wow. Layers of wow. Wow piled on wow with a sprinkling of powdered wow. Are you related to AVE? Or did he steal his shtick from you? I'm in love!!!

[@BatPotatoes]

I'm not going up to 700F with mine but I'm gonna copy some parts of the insulation job for my little Toshiba toaster, thanks for the visual aid!

[@Jimmeh_B]

VERY good advice on the use of an SSR with those PID's, or at least an external relay. I''ve had several of them fail catastrophically. The mechanical relays they fit inside them are WAY under spec and poor quality. One memorable one was driving only a 400w load and failed in short order. When the contacts tried to open they were partially welded shut, eventually the heat generated melted them open again but because they were red hot and deformed the resultant arc didn't clear and set the entire unit on fire.

[@SeanBZA]

Chinesium SSR's invariably at the low price end are almost always going to be an 8A Triac and a zero cross switch salvaged from some ewaste, and then get the label applied saying 10A, 16A, 25A or 32A, irrespective of the parts used inside. They might have actually used a screw or rivet to attach the device, but have been known to just leave it with a blob of thermal paste and a mica washer as heat transfer method and insulation. They are also known to use non insulated tab triacs and rivet or screw them down direct, so you can be glad that the wire they use inside is often thin enough to act as a fuse.

[@zowiefenderblast4602]

It would be nice to know your perspective on the vid vid given we are told contradictory statements on the reg. Idunno, 2020 is spirit consuming. It's always nice to hear untainted taint; f the smell...

[@MrEric_API]

Satanite..... on now I know we dealing with an 1) Engineer 2) Petrochemical experience.

[@MrSoarman]

Wow, wish you would have gone through the PID program, I bought a kiln with that controller in it, I ended up tossing it away and used a manual reo, that pid is NOT user friendly

[@ShimonKupferman]

1) A grounding conductor must be connected to any electrical device made of a conductive casing. 2) not good that the power cord comes out of the bottom; Worth from the back wall. I'm also not sure this cable is made of two layers of coatings.

[@maltesefireworks]

thanks for this video exactly what i was looking for. but im using this scheme to make pizza.

[@clusters1.033]

700 degrees eh? I'm thinking you're not going to be making toast with this oven. Either that or just made the world's fastest cooking toaster oven. Anyway, glad to see a new video and that you are doing well.

[@dongryder8698]

It would appear to me that you are using a TIC (Temperature Indicator Controller) not a PID (proportional integral derivative) controller. Don

[@spokehedz]

You should also install the alarm wires, which would let you know if your SSR fails before it lights on fire... Hopefully.

[@alwinalexander]

great video, like the explanation on the thermostat, mine doesnt even have any metal attached to the oven body to conduct heat, they placed a metal strip on the thermostat itself and run AC on it to heat up the bimetallic strip! btw did the thermocouple placement worked for you? i placed mine on the other side and it could not go beyond 100C with my oven setpoint at 150C even though my oven thermometer are showing well beyond 150C.. then i placed the TC through the door and then it manage to go to 145C

[@glesus5491]

you kinda sound like Travis Willigham. you just need to play some DnD and be a voice actor :P

[@blameusa7082]

so racist video, why you saying chinese stuff will blow up.... all world is equal!!

[@jason0870]

Hey line the inside with NightHawkinLights starbrite formula it's a pretty thin heat/fire resistant coating.

[@bobedwards8896]

I might do this, need something very similar . Update after some uses would be appreciated

[@CandyGramForMongo_]

700 on the bench? You have a fire extinguisher, right? Full speed ahead!

[@godfamilycountry4211]

Pretty cool. Learned a lot. Novice to all your technical talk but find it so interesting. Thx

[@bill6943]

ROFL... At least the wiring diagram has the right colored wires associated to it.

[@joshrandalldisavows6697]

Missed ya pal!!

[@chrisellingson123]

I am literally building one of these for PCB reflow soldering.

[@synthesizer8026]

One other issue with solid state relays is you need a massive heatsink as compared to a mechanical relay. But they are nice to work with.

[@MyHandleIsGood]

I believe my oven uses a bimetallic switch, it definitely is not very accurate.

[@thestereotypicaldrummer7054]

Don’t do this at home Shows a diagram of the wiring

[@ElementalMaker]

Gotta C.Y.A. 👌

[@Clipster15]

In forming your perchlorate from chlorate, if you decide to use the HCl method for destroying trace chlorates, be careful with what you might find on the web with regards to the process. I have seen it stated simply to adjust the ph to something like

[@ElementalMaker]

Truly excellent advice. Your comment prompted me to go buy some methylene blue and indigo carmine to make up test solutions.

[@Z-Ack]

“Did that english right?” Lol.. good stuff..

[@MrEric_API]

You can peel the Kaowool in half for thinner layers

[@TroyRubert]

What are you doing with perchlorates?

[@kleetus92]

One comment... if you haven't ran this yet, check the clearance of the glass door with the opening... with nearly doubling the operating temp, the glass may expand enough to interfere with the door... and may explode if it expands too much and has no place to go. Just be aware you may have flying 800F glass in your shop. Otherwise, nice build!

[@brenno3735]

Mmmmm ...smells like an electronics fire already.

[@SomeMorganSomewhere]

.> looks furtively at the toaster oven on the shelf to my right (though I don't run it at super high temps).

[@ElementalMaker]

LOL

[@NERF2YOU2]

Hey I dont know if I missed anything, but will you be making more rocket motors soon? thanks

[@ElementalMaker]

Working on a rocket video right now actually! Should hopefully be done shortly

[@jasonvliet-odonataknifeworks]

Appreciate the video…I’m working on this project this weekend. Have you had any issues with the PID or SSR overheating? I won’t be going beyond 500F.

[@ElementalMaker]

No issues yet! I've ran it for extended periods over 700. It was critical to add the 120vac computer fan to the electronics side, but with that it should be A okay. Just don't ever use it in your house, I wouldn't trust this sort of thing anywhere but my detached garage.

[@ElementalMaker]

It looks like I didn't include the side fan I installed in the video, but I recommend putting in a 120vac computer fan to keep the electronics bay cooled. I used a 90x90mm 60cfm fan I found on Amazon for cheap and works great

[@prometheus4916]

Love my pid 's they can do so much great video

[@lindboknifeandtool]

I use PID to control my evenheat, and my dab rig allegedly.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Curious what you’d need 7-725f for

[@timng9104]

make ybco superconductor pls

[@stamasd8500]

Well if the heating elements burn out but the rest of the components survive, you can go all Frankenstein on the next victim and just move all the innards into it. I made a humidity- and temperature-controlled meat curing chamber using 2 of those PIDs. Very useful, once you understand the pseudo-English in the manuals.

[@Chuck_Huckler]

If it burns up, couldn't you just take a coil element out of something else, like a space heater, and use that?

[@SeanBZA]

Just go grab a grill element from a small oven, and fit it in the case. Might have to make a few extra bends in it, but it will heat up faster then. Grill elements will work up to red hot fine for years, along with the bake elements, just because they are so inefficient at heat transfer otherwise. In such a small well insulated space they will actually get the whole lot up to red heat. Easy way to tell it is fine is when that aluminium tang melts off it's rivets.

[@Palmit_]

When is the full test mr @ElementalMaker ?

[@Mrcaffinebean]

So I decided my old toaster oven needed replacing because it was looking pretty old (still working but ugly). So I bought a new one and now I have a toaster oven for the shop. And suddenly I remembered this wonderful video. I already have the materials from building a forge just like yours. Needless to say, mega toasting is in my future!

[@procactus9109]

So I just thought of something... I'm thinking copper foil cladded on the inside could be a great thing. Copper reflects infrared very well, it doesn't even have to be shiny to work. I believe copper is used as a mirror for IR lasers. But I'm also thinking it could be too good of a mirror creating reflective hot spots but then the size of the heater elements might negate intense hot spots.

[@procactus9109]

At 2:30 you scraped out your insulation lol

[@stanjepson2054]

why are wanting 750 degrees?

[@livedeliciously]

Incredible commentary. My type of humor. I'm also now more educated on how to build my own Chinese fire starter.

[@Sam_888]

Took a shot of gum cutter. See you guys tomorrow

[@EvelynnEleonore]

5:35 the WHAT NOW

[@tgschaef]

You're new here. Welcome.

[@Buzzhumma]

Very good build bro 👍🏻i think i may do the same . I will be making a propane forge but i want a controllable temp forge as well and i think this might be the right design !

[@williamlivingstone4326]

I wonder how quickly you could make toast with Satan's oven? Lol. Hope you and the family are on the up and up buddy!

[@funbricknj]

the only thing I be worry about is the glass door at what temperature will it fail at ????

[@markshort9098]

It would be borosilicate glass (pirex) so is good for about 500c around 900f before it softens

[@colinv2415]

As a guy that made a DIY sous vide crock pot controller in a dollar store plastic tote, what you have done here is quality. I actually have an order or operations for connecting the thing up so as not to kill myself..

[@jason-ge5nr]

im excited to see if the cal rods hold up.

[@livedeliciously]

Just wired up my toaster oven using your schematic. And no magic smoke or sparks. Thank you kind sir.

[@MrKclo42112]

x rated gypsum is your buddy dude . withstands 2000f and is cheap af id get rid of the factory box and makwe my own withe x rated drywall and rockwool

[@ElementalMaker]

That's news to me! Need to find some!

[@MrKclo42112]

@@ElementalMaker yes x rated drywall is coded for any apartments adjacent walls ,to keep fire from spreading to other apartments its what safe companies use inside gun safes .... trade secret SHHHH

[@sarchlalaith8836]

Hope you feel better soon cohort.

[@dcallan812]

I did check my subs list for you yesterday as I thought we were due some entertainment. Sorry to hear about the family getting sick. I managed to get out last week so that's 4 times this year that I manage t get past the front door!. Stay safe ( I am)

[@samerabdallah7596]

Hahahaha nice linus joke

[@bdf2718]

AvE meets Big Clive...

[@akefayamenay104]

I lol’d at "steel pubes"

[@SkepticNerdGuy]

This is pretty neat, I am planning on building something like this, not to get to such a high temp, just be more accurate in order to temper 3d print builds. Some of the instructions i have found use exactly the same PID you did. So its nice to see a video implementing pretty much the exact same thing.

[@suecrawford36274fb]

Uncle MacGyver

[@hanleypc]

Excellent video, opened my eyes to just how affordable PID controllers are and some projects I can have a look at!

[@WoLpH]

If the thing has a heating element at the bottom, wouldn't it be better to put the heat blanket at the bottom of the oven too? Might be slightly harder to insultate but should help a bit I guess. Beyond a few longer legs/standoffs it shouldn't make it much harder.

[@justinbanks2380]

Entertaining and informative as always! I love your 'color commentary' and humor. Can't wait to see what you do with this. Hope you and the family are better from your illness.

[@wwrite]

Cool shit, love it!!!

[@nedshead5906]

This week we turn a toaster oven into a metal project box so we can build a toaster oven

[@ElementalMaker]

Let's put a toaster in a toaster to toast your toaster.

[@jdecar1]

How much toast could a toaster toaster toast, if a toaster toaster could toast toast?

[@BensWorkshop]

Nice work. All that lack of insulation in the original would make it horrifically inefficient.

[@josepedrocruz8766]

Awesome video, gave me the urge to take over the toaster oven as well. A quick question, what is the brand of that mini torch you used to heat the switch? Can't wait to see the next video and thanks for all of the knowledge and content.

[@mxcollin95]

Are you an engineer? Well done man! Awesome build! Love project builds like this. Can’t wait to see how it works. 👍

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Nice build.

[@strolantic2930]

thank's Il love your Work i watch your video form france

[@juggaloforlife4682]

I love it

[@Aleks_Z]

I find it funny how you mentioned LTT while applying thermal paste