Overloading Cable Connectors, Electrician

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N Bundy Electrical

N Bundy Electrical

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@leonblittle226
@leonblittle226 3 жыл бұрын
The connector block compared to the others did well, but it's a big lump of metal which just goes to show they aren't bad if installed correctly with some care. Everything took more than double the rated load before it started to go wrong which is comforting to know.
@andyroberts3675
@andyroberts3675 3 жыл бұрын
Manufacturers will always give themselves so much room in the ratings charts, much like supermarket use by dates, they go well over to cover themselves
@highkicker11
@highkicker11 3 жыл бұрын
i wont think is a good thing to have the cable be the most likely point of ignition. if the connector would have failed at its rating with out a spark now that would have stopped the chance of a fire. after all the circuit is now broken.
@Thermalions
@Thermalions 3 жыл бұрын
@@highkicker11 I'm no Sparky, but I'd have thought failing without risk of spark isn't part of the design requirements of these sort of connectors. Isn't that what the fuses are supposed to do (assuming they haven't been bypassed)?
@highkicker11
@highkicker11 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thermalions yeah fuses are suppose to do that but if some idiot by passes it. the former first responder in me would be happy if a major fire would have been stopped because of the connector failing when it reaches it stated limit. because i just know there is no such thing as fool proof.
@Liberator975
@Liberator975 3 жыл бұрын
@@highkicker11 the heat generated by the poor connection is enough to start the fire. A loose connection doesn't need to have any visible arcing. The higher resistance of the connection is what causes heat and eventually failure of the connection
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff 3 жыл бұрын
Suggestion : coiled vs. uncoiled extension lead. Also cheapo multi-way socket blocks - can they actually handle 13A?
@mikepembo8297
@mikepembo8297 3 жыл бұрын
Daisy chained extension leads would be interesting too. I think we all know the answers to most of these already but, just like Big Clive and ElectroBoom, we want fire :)
@Thermalions
@Thermalions 3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested also to see what the coiled vs uncoiled lead is like with a load equivalent to say a radiant/oil heater etc on it (or maybe three - just for the views; no-one would ever do that, would they?).
@Liberator975
@Liberator975 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikepembo8297 the original flame man was photonicinduction. Miss his conent
@mikepembo8297
@mikepembo8297 3 жыл бұрын
@@Liberator975 I miss it too. I was just thinking about his channel the other day and was going to have a check for new content, but given your comment I guess he hasn't returned for a while :( The guy was bonkers (in a good way) but I understand he had some personal issues going on at the time. I just hope he's on a good path and happy despite not posting to KZbin
@Liberator975
@Liberator975 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikepembo8297 absolutely
@benhayes5096
@benhayes5096 3 жыл бұрын
Watching you vids at least 3-4 times a week, only been in the trade for 18 months and I'm 45 years old so saves me untold embarrassment when I forget how to do something, I can scroll through the library of vids you posted and usually pick up a few tips. Thank you so much, keep it up m8 really appreciate it. Don.
@stefanovanenio
@stefanovanenio 3 жыл бұрын
Judging by the amount of current that the cable can take and the connectors, I feel safer when using them as they can take considerably more than their rating factor. It just goes to show, as long as you have the correct sized breaker the installation should remain safe..... Assuming correct installation and to regs of course. Great vid Batman, love the science side, also big thumbs up to John Ward.
@mts7274
@mts7274 Жыл бұрын
What exactly is the purpose of a test like this when your biggest point of failure is the wire insulation itself?
@contytub
@contytub Жыл бұрын
​@@mts7274 i guess confirming compliance and adequacy?...
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff 3 жыл бұрын
Did you check the calibration of the display on the welder?
@SRCardow1
@SRCardow1 11 ай бұрын
It was good to see that all the connection method held above the rated specifications. For this to happen in the real world the overcurrent protection would have to fail. Wago failing might not be a bad problem at failure point as it opened the circuit whereas all others would have kept generating more heat. Nice video glad you kept staying safety precautions.
@g.williamswilliams8442
@g.williamswilliams8442 3 жыл бұрын
As a prehistoric dinosaur spark , I have not become a huge fan of the modern day Wago, so this video has reassured me. Great demonstration, cheers.
@mfx1
@mfx1 3 жыл бұрын
The Wago failing like that is a good thing it acted as a fuse and possibly saved the house burning down. It still survived WAY over it's rated current and unlike the terminal block which seemingly was better hasn't screws to get loose over time. Long term old style terminal blocks are far more of a liability.
@SuperUltimateLP
@SuperUltimateLP 3 жыл бұрын
is has failed way way above its rating... i dont see that as a problem even less so when there are WAGOs that can easily handle 32 and 40A ?!
@samsimington5563
@samsimington5563 2 ай бұрын
I too have seen John Ward's video on this as well as one made by Electromagnetic Videos. The results both of them got for what each type of connector can handle for overloads is mostly the same. As the plastic and cable both failed long before the connections would've
@jasonradders2088
@jasonradders2088 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely my new favourite sparky on youtube!
@owenj2394
@owenj2394 2 жыл бұрын
So if i wanted to extend a ring main what would be the best way
@cookiecrumble19
@cookiecrumble19 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, didn't expect the choc block to last
@jimmypage1
@jimmypage1 3 жыл бұрын
Wago 221 are 32amp in the UK
@paullill5604
@paullill5604 3 жыл бұрын
Good indication that actually the old style connector blocks are best due to having the most metal and largest csa of contact with the cable cores. Does just go to show that going back to the metal cable clips is a massive improvement in safety, especially on fire escape routes.
@mfx1
@mfx1 3 жыл бұрын
The Wago failing like that is a good thing it acted as a fuse and possibly saved the house burning down. It still survived WAY over it's rated current and unlike the terminal block which seemingly was better hasn't screws to get loose over time. Long term old style terminal blocks are far more of a liability.
@tomokmotorpart7599
@tomokmotorpart7599 Жыл бұрын
yes,screw terminal safe forever even in socket,plug,socket,mcb,main switch use screw terminal connection.. for joint cable for permanent please use cable link..
@TheSadcyclist
@TheSadcyclist 3 жыл бұрын
Must say youre wasted as just an electrician, you should be on the tv or teaching people, youre so natural , and you've done the job you'd be training people to do, another great video. Paul
@NBundyElectrical
@NBundyElectrical 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 👍👍
@KobraVenomGaming
@KobraVenomGaming Жыл бұрын
Some great information there. I always tell people off when I can see they are overloading extension leads. Big thumbs up. 👍
@williammartinculleton7523
@williammartinculleton7523 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! Thank you, good old connector block, been using them for 65 years !!!🇮🇪☘️
@mfx1
@mfx1 3 жыл бұрын
The Wago failing like that is a good thing it acted as a fuse and possibly saved the house burning down. It still survived WAY over it's rated current and unlike the terminal block which seemingly was better hasn't screws to get loose over time. Long term old style terminal blocks are far more of a liability.
@dadskillz
@dadskillz 3 жыл бұрын
Well done on the 40k most deserved!!
@Fishbait075
@Fishbait075 3 жыл бұрын
Flamin' heck Bundy. This video is pure fire !
@oiuslags
@oiuslags 3 жыл бұрын
4mm single core is 37 amps , 2.5 mm is 27 amps table 4D1A For 70 c thermoplastic single core page 401 Or did you use the single core 90 c thermosetting cable table 4E1A ?
@sheridan2020
@sheridan2020 3 жыл бұрын
You should do it with the old fuses to see what they blow at and compare it to MCB's. Would be interesting to see the difference between old and new gear.
@aharonstubbs4089
@aharonstubbs4089 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a good one to be fair
@johnhoward2104
@johnhoward2104 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea, that would be a good one to see. The old rewireables are supposed to have a fusing factor of around 2 on overload, and CBs an I2 of around 1.45In, so would be good to see it in action.
@darknessdestroyer5524
@darknessdestroyer5524 3 жыл бұрын
John Ward has done it 👍
@johnhoward2104
@johnhoward2104 3 жыл бұрын
@@darknessdestroyer5524 found this one from good 'ol JW for the fuse wire: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZmpaoekbdZsq9U but couldn't see one for CBs.
@darknessdestroyer5524
@darknessdestroyer5524 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnhoward2104 yes, sorry I should have said that it was fuse wire that he was testing, it would be interesting to see if the overcurrents applied to MCB's match up to the regs as in regards to trip times 👍
@nathan87
@nathan87 3 жыл бұрын
Presumably these are all performing well above the rated current due to the very favourable conditions here: open air in a cold unit. Presumably the rating has to be for significantly worse conditions (e.g. high ambient temperature, covered in insulation) as well as, of course, some safety factor for good measure.
@oyleyhands1332
@oyleyhands1332 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I expected the 'chocbloc' connector to do well, if a good initial connection was made, it's when incorrectly connected they suffer. Examples like overtightned screws and threads stripped so connection tension is lost etc.
@CthulhuOO7
@CthulhuOO7 Жыл бұрын
Would you rather have the terminal that keeps the connection through 150 amps, or something that can take 100amps but would fails earlier acting as a kind of fuse?
@marksmith-ew7ir
@marksmith-ew7ir 3 жыл бұрын
Great work to show none electrical person not to do and what I a nail or screw can penetrate cables can do
@peterprice8393
@peterprice8393 3 жыл бұрын
You have to take into account that you are using a lower voltage but high amperage, also that the welder will be using a DC direct current not AC alternating current , so you are testing these connectors not directly in how they would be used in peoples homes, you should also have a proven amp meter in the circuit and not just trust the welder dial . But does show the dangers of what happens when loading is not taken into account on any electrical circuits. Keep up the vlogs Nick
@rogerbeck3018
@rogerbeck3018 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for a very instructive video Nick. I did watch the John Ward video also, additional line of thought - use 2.5mm TPS so the behaviour of the pvc insulation can be observed. great work.
@sportgliderider
@sportgliderider 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one Nick. i bet like me you thought the old connector block would have gone first. very interesting.
@time4021
@time4021 3 жыл бұрын
Is your welder AC or DC output? If DC, then most connectors have a different current carrying capacity to AC, and often a different voltage rating.
@NBundyElectrical
@NBundyElectrical 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll have to check bud
@bigwoodrz
@bigwoodrz 3 жыл бұрын
Thank god we still have John Ward. A man who does his research.
@NBundyElectrical
@NBundyElectrical 3 жыл бұрын
It’s dc
@time4021
@time4021 3 жыл бұрын
@@NBundyElectrical If you want to put a clamp meter on, you'll need one that can measure DC
@tww5719
@tww5719 3 жыл бұрын
Good old connector strip,never let me down 👍
@shawndubay4050
@shawndubay4050 10 ай бұрын
Holy smokes. Hey which one of those would you use for a bathroom vanity light?? It has two 60 volt bulbs. Not nearly the power like in the demonstration. I have to make a stranded wire to solid wire connection. I know electricity creates heat through resistance and I don't want my house going up in smoke. If you were in my boots what would you do?? I do appreciate any help or advice and I thank you in advance.
@rebel4466
@rebel4466 9 ай бұрын
The problems in installations usually come from bad jobs or connections that have been worked on. The connector block is great if you seat everything correctly once and tighten it down with the appropriate amount of pressure. Even better if you use ferrules. But if you work on the connection or don't use ferrules and only clamp down certain strands while others are either loose or damaged, things can get funny fast. If you take care and do everything correct, you don't have to worry about all the options. Question is which is the most likely to be used in a wrong way? That's where the Wago shines in my opinion. You can disconnect and reconnect pretty much as often as you want and you won't get a damaged cable, while being able to see through the thing to make sure the connector is well seated.
@Dan-vw6sf
@Dan-vw6sf Жыл бұрын
Surely the wago failing in this scenario is a good thing if it interrupts the current and prevents fire?
@Interknetz
@Interknetz 3 жыл бұрын
With my computer and 2 monitors, plugged into an extension, no issues. Wild part which will most likely trigger you, I plug a portable AC into an extension that is plugged into the extension my computer is plugged into. However, I have checked during the summer when both are on (and I don't run the AC full speed given my room is small), and no issues with heat. I probably ought to check what amps all these things use next time summer rolls around...
@izools
@izools 3 жыл бұрын
This was an awesoe segment dude, thank you. There's probably a discussion to be had about DC amps from a welder vs AC amp,s from a ring main, continuous current vs RMS current, and the effect the difference has on current handling of a given cable... but we'll leave that for another day... Or for JW :) What is enlightening is that the oldest type of interconnect (screw-down block connector / chock block) had both the best current handling and the best mechanical integrity of all the types of interconnect. Do you think this will change how you join cables in future? Wago are easy to install... but you've just proen they're the least reliable in a fault condition...
@b96m13
@b96m13 3 жыл бұрын
Least reliable at 120 amps yeah haha
@izools
@izools 3 жыл бұрын
@@b96m13 120A definitely seems like a fault condition to me 🤣🤣 One day someone's gonna wire their EV charger in 2.5mm and the OCP is gonna fail you can be sure of it...
@christianclark1354
@christianclark1354 3 жыл бұрын
If the insulation has melted off the entire cable then I think we can forgive the Wago... In this case it acted as a fuse and turned off the 2.5mm house-sized heating element 🤣 I once bought 2x "refurbished" stage lights from eBay which both contained undersized old style block-connectors that were extremely hot and actually melting the outside plastic of the device and was severely burning inside!... so, it's not a case of "block connector is better than a wago" it's a case of using the correct tool for the job. If either is not-rated for the amount of current it's a fire waiting to happen. In some ways the Wago is actually less dangerous in the hands of an idiot because it always applies the correct torque (screw-down connectors can be under or over tightened), and as they just look a bit flimsier so people don't just put them in without stopping and reading the rating which is printed on them, unlike most terminal blocks.
@martinw245
@martinw245 3 жыл бұрын
Wagos are maintanace free. Connector blocks aren't. The 221 is also available in a 40 amp version now.
@jeremylister89
@jeremylister89 2 жыл бұрын
DC and RMS = same heating effect until skin effect kicks in at higher frequencies. Then ac will cause more heat.
@Walterz930
@Walterz930 3 жыл бұрын
I have not long ago found your channel and really enjoying it been watching most videos on the night when I can not sleep because of having a cast on my arm
@charleyfloyd3317
@charleyfloyd3317 3 жыл бұрын
I have taught electrical trades and NEC classes in the US for 41 years. I find it fascinating the difference in wiring methods and codes. I always encourage my students to watch your videos to learn how other countries perform their work. You are indeed a professional!
@nomorefaith4988
@nomorefaith4988 3 жыл бұрын
Actually reassured by this vid. Surprised they could take so much!
@johnschlesinger2009
@johnschlesinger2009 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised that the wago failed first. I was in the trade yonks ago, and, to me those things look horribly flimsy. The best connection - in accessible positions - would almost certainly be a porcelain connector block! 34A for 2.5 seems very high: in my day, 2.5 T&E clipped direct was rated at 27A for a conductor operating temperature of 70C.
@JackDaLadd
@JackDaLadd Жыл бұрын
I went through a cable at my father in laws, 32a radial, the cable connector i repaired it with melted and it was rated for 32a 250v, had to repair it today with the same connector a year after the original repair due to that happening, what would you recommend for inside a plaster wall to repair it better, as i don't trust the cable connector anymore
@markhutton6824
@markhutton6824 8 ай бұрын
So you tested why beyond he specifications on the wire and the connectors are was surprised they failed. Not sure how this is a test of anything. I have WAGOs in my ceiling lights, most of my electrical requirements in my shed. I start the platform drill powered my basic three core cable and the joints are WAGO and never a smell. When I start up my grinding discs there is no issue with the electrics. Because the WAGO I use ae rated to 30AMP... an electrical oven is 30AMP... as long as you aren't using WAGO for the mains electric coming into the house then what its the issue?
@atkt62
@atkt62 Жыл бұрын
So the connector block is probably at or close to the wire temperature,but the plastic casing is restricting.the heat emissions which is why it appears cooler. Very.good video
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 3 жыл бұрын
Did the WAGO burned or did the cable broke near the WAGO? 130 Ampere in a domestic house? The usaly the fuse cant take that. We in Germany have usaly only 32, 50 or 62 A sealed industrial fuses before the electricity meter for domestic houses. Than the LS current breaker up to B 16A (3 phase 230 Volt)
@markhutton6824
@markhutton6824 8 ай бұрын
What house has 100w running though the cables... I really want to know. Given the more that comes is 30Amp/Hours based off the massive control, which then goes to the consumer unit that in highest Amp is the Oven. At know point is the average UK house getting close o the "demonstration" of 210volts.
@killianmartin7365
@killianmartin7365 Жыл бұрын
@n bundy, any chance you want to do this for red, blue & yellow crimp on connectors??
@no_short_circuit
@no_short_circuit 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Nick. A picture is worth a thousand words. I know JW has maybe cornered the market on this sort of stuff but the more of this the better for me.
@kaido094
@kaido094 3 жыл бұрын
For solid wire I use Wago 2773 connector, test these out to.
@fablan3308
@fablan3308 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to put an LED light outside I have a halogen one at the moment but the Leeds not for led so I need a outside junction box to connect the wire to my new led security light those clips will be ok to use won't they LEVER CONNECTOR
@PlanetCypher_
@PlanetCypher_ 3 жыл бұрын
AC or DC welder ?
@kimbo1966
@kimbo1966 Жыл бұрын
So the old connector block was best. Newbie question , why are wagos more popular ? Speed and strength of connection ?
@thepvporg
@thepvporg 3 жыл бұрын
My flat has an 80 amp main fuse on the board. What sort of current draw can it take before it blows and the lekkie board have to come out it?
@cliveramsbotty6077
@cliveramsbotty6077 3 жыл бұрын
you bought a welder. you brought the welder with you to the unit.
@CarlLoop
@CarlLoop Жыл бұрын
What is the gauge of the conductor (at 4:04 you said rated for 34 amps)? At 30 amp the gauge of the conductor should be 10awg. 50 amps should be on a 8awg, etc. As you go higher in current, the conductor's gauge should also be larger width (smaller gauge number). Likely the heat of the conductor is transferring to the connectors. If the experiment is not valid, which may be the case, then it may mislead others. Also, yes the Wago if it is 221-412 is UL rated for 32 amps.
@professorg8383
@professorg8383 8 ай бұрын
Actually the UL rating for the WAGO is only 20A. The IEC rating is 32A and the JET rating, (Japan) is 20A. They do not have the UL rating stamped on the connector.
@jamiebourne8047
@jamiebourne8047 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like good old choc-block connectors are the future then 😄
@NBundyElectrical
@NBundyElectrical 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@arcadia1701e
@arcadia1701e 3 жыл бұрын
Not maintaince free though.
@paulthompson5416
@paulthompson5416 3 жыл бұрын
@@arcadia1701e tail light guarantee 👌🏼😂
@TheXsheeple
@TheXsheeple 3 жыл бұрын
Ok if you want to burn your house down
@TheXsheeple
@TheXsheeple 3 жыл бұрын
@@puntoboy_gaming exactly 😊
@davey6024
@davey6024 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the ideal insure connectors would fare as I have been using them recently over wagos because I'm cheap af and can buy 400 of them for the price of 100 221 🤔
@drunkinpiper
@drunkinpiper Жыл бұрын
Hi Nick, thanks for the video. I think that the Wagos are rated at 32A.
@Shompenify1
@Shompenify1 3 жыл бұрын
Well the connections seems to be best in normal screw connectors!
@speedmytube
@speedmytube 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 40K. You could have said the plastic clips were a deliberate demonstration of premature collapse :)
@dalefox3898
@dalefox3898 3 жыл бұрын
Great work but just a note Wago 221 4mm are rated at 32A not 20A , 20 Amp is the rating as per China & abroad, Wago 221 6mm rated at 41A Information direct from Wago. just a question was that welder a AC output or DC,
@superiorcomfortheatingairl4636
@superiorcomfortheatingairl4636 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video, Wagos is just starting to show up here in United States, majority of HVAC distributors here only sell Wire Nuts and no Wago. I did ask them if they were planning to stock them, their reply was they never heard of them.
@stupot_64
@stupot_64 3 жыл бұрын
Ideal do similar connectors. I believe that Ideal are better known in the USA.
@martinw245
@martinw245 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing that the old fashioned cable block did so well
@hoangnguyendinh291
@hoangnguyendinh291 3 жыл бұрын
I just bought some cheap thin cable. And I was looking for this video. I don't know if it's ok to have them used for battery charging
@cimen9793
@cimen9793 Жыл бұрын
hi, can I use wago connector with jumper wires?
@plllot9713
@plllot9713 3 жыл бұрын
you say something like 'that would be happening inside your wall'...but would it? shouldn't circuit breaker have kicked in when there's a 50A+ load on the circuit? I always thought that even if you connect 10 electrical devices to one socket it should trigger a fuse? should it?
@jamesnorthwood4851
@jamesnorthwood4851 3 жыл бұрын
Love you’re channel mate , the wago 221 in the uk are rated at 32amps , the other rating on the other side , think it’s 300 odd volts is only for Japan and that 20amp rating . All the best dude
@paulmullane9662
@paulmullane9662 2 жыл бұрын
does the output from the welder not produce DC not AC is this an accurate assessment?
@jontownsend8090
@jontownsend8090 3 жыл бұрын
I love a good litmus test of cables and connections. Would you be able to rig up accessories with poor connections and illustrate how hot these high resistance connections can get in the real world. Use of the thermal imaging camera would be great on this experiment.
@benjaminw762
@benjaminw762 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered, what's the fundamental issue with extension leads in to extension lead? I get it overseas, it's easy to overload a socket. But in the UK each extension will have a fuse in the plug right? So even with multiple extension leads plugged in to each other you shouldn't be able to exceed 13amps for all plugged in devices... Wouldn't the fuse in the first extension would blow first? Am I missing something?
@speedmytube
@speedmytube 3 жыл бұрын
You're right about 13A fuse in total but that is still quite a lot of current and plenty to start a fire (240V * 13A = 3000W = 3000 Joules of energy every second - a match head has about 1000 joules of energy for comparison so three matches every second!). The more connections, the more likelihood that one will be a loose connection that can overheat. Remember that all the connections are in series so the total resistance is the sum of each individual connection's resistance. Also, the more extension leads, the more voltage drop from the cable too.
@simiiee
@simiiee 3 жыл бұрын
That was some good shit. Fair play Bundy your A1. Big respect from Ireland
@deltalambda3864
@deltalambda3864 3 жыл бұрын
very important demonstration, pretty sure you will have college lecturers using your videos to demonstrate the importance of the circuit design and protective device selection. i saw the sparks fly banner and it reminded me of my old KZbin channel where i overloaded things to destruction. i still do that sort of stuff just for entertainment but there is not much science behind it unfortunately its just dumb experiments, i want to produce more electronic content. i have some more light controller projects that i am hoping to squeeze a video out on. thanks for sharing.
@WILSON-sn4zy
@WILSON-sn4zy 3 жыл бұрын
congrats on the milestone mate really enjoying your videos. I'm currently a truck driver just enrolled on a course to become a spark so picking up any tips and tricks from yourself i used to work as a chippy so hoping the 2 trades combined can generate a decent amount of work
@markmurray1130
@markmurray1130 2 жыл бұрын
Quick question please mate, would you say i could get away with a standard through crimp when making a joint in a cable and burying it in a wall ? I'm having to move a couple of sockets to a safe distance from the hob (300mm) but as per usual they've called me in after the kitchens been installed, so I'm left with no choice but to join the cable somehow, originally I thought every joint needed to be accessible but I read on the IET website that through crimps are deemed as an acceptable permanent joint and can be burried ? Would appreciate your advice 👍🏻
@batmanpaul1
@batmanpaul1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video,keep up the good work
@B0jangle5
@B0jangle5 3 жыл бұрын
How hot can Flexi conduit get??
@NBundyElectrical
@NBundyElectrical 3 жыл бұрын
Oooooo maybe 😉
@paulprescott7913
@paulprescott7913 3 жыл бұрын
How much toxic fumes can it produce as its not lsoh or lsf.
@matthewwalley2412
@matthewwalley2412 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks nick interesting video. One suggestion if you are going to do more of this type of testing “experimenting” it may be worth setting up a dedicated power point though a contractor and e stop so if anything goes wrong you can cut the supply quickly.
@tonyomalley901
@tonyomalley901 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a 12th Edition apprentice we went to a BICC factory, think it was Preston or Manchester, they rigged up 3/036 PVC insulated and MICC and put 100A plus till they glowed red hot. The MICC was discoloured but still usable.
@garyu353
@garyu353 2 жыл бұрын
That wago took alot of beating mr bundy!!!haha, keep up the good work!
@nelsonmaranonjr.537
@nelsonmaranonjr.537 10 ай бұрын
Can you add wire nut and electrical tape for next test? Thanks
@DarrylLeaning
@DarrylLeaning Жыл бұрын
Well, I used an inline to extend a cable for a socket in a ring as, i was unsure about the WAGO in case the ring got broken. Guess that's not as much of a problem as I imagined. Especially seeing as the insulation on all the wire went first, and it would likely have found an earth in walls and trunking before anything else melted.
@carlhobson1578
@carlhobson1578 2 жыл бұрын
My concern with Wago type connectors is how they will perform over time, I understand and have seen screw terminals that become loose over time, I know the test was very extreme, but interesting to see how the choc block did.
@fajnbrambor1856
@fajnbrambor1856 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for late reply. You see, unlike screw in terminal/block, Wago uses spring loaded metal strip. That means, when you close the lever, it will put pressure onto the metal strip, which subsequently firmly grips the wire (in my personal testing, it grips really well and it is pretty much impossible for the wire to come out without big external force). The advantage of this is, that this mechanism cannot get loose unless the lever is opened or the case undergoes catastrophic failure. As you saw in the video, Wago easily withstands over 100 A and started failing at 130 A. It started to fail at 6.5 times the rated current. So unless someone is trying to put these connectors where they are not supposed to go, you can be pretty much sure, that this connector might, and most likely will, outlive you.
@garethjenkins8545
@garethjenkins8545 3 жыл бұрын
"chock block" the winner : )
@TheXsheeple
@TheXsheeple 3 жыл бұрын
Not really, do you want a wire acting as a heating element? The Wago went first acting like a fuse, which I would say is the safer of the bunch. @ 4 X the rating they all exceeded what they were disigned to do.
@garethjenkins8545
@garethjenkins8545 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheXsheeple with a big dramatic spark like that 😳 mmmmm ! yep they all did well over 👍 but the “chock block” almost looked reusable (of course you wouldn’t 🤪) and of course it was meant as a joke hence the : ) 🙄
@AndyK.1
@AndyK.1 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheXsheeple Connectors are meant to connect cables together the best they can. They aren’t meant to be fuses !!!🤪
@TheXsheeple
@TheXsheeple 3 жыл бұрын
@@AndyK.1 It did what it was rated to do.:)
@mfx1
@mfx1 3 жыл бұрын
The Wago possibly saved the house catching fire.
@JasonShowell
@JasonShowell 3 жыл бұрын
Erm, the 221 is rated at 32A at 450v and 20A at 600v according to Wago themselves. ???
@bar10005
@bar10005 3 жыл бұрын
AFAIK difference doesn't just come from voltage, but from different testing methodology: 450V/32A is IEC rating according to EN 60664 and 600V/20A is UL rating according to UL 486C. Also there are bigger 221s for up to 6mm2 that are rated 41A/30A (IEC/UL).
@martinw245
@martinw245 3 жыл бұрын
The Wago is rated at 32 amps, but with 2.5mm twin and earth its down rated to 20 amps. 221 is also now available in a 40 amp version.
@Lukasz.Kaa09
@Lukasz.Kaa09 Жыл бұрын
Hi can you tell me if its okay to extend cables in the radial socket with wagos? The other day I opened the socket and there was 2 neutrals with visible copper which means both of them were damaged so I decided to cut them short and put 2 into wago and extend with just one neutral. That specific socket was second last and the last one was just above the one I was working. It bugs me now after time that I should maybe extend with 2 neutrals instead of one.
@westinthewest
@westinthewest 3 жыл бұрын
I was amazed to see how all those day-today connectors we use are under-rated by the manufacturers, but I've found that it's the opposite when it comes to 13A plugs and FCUs. I've seen many of those suffer with continuous heavy loads which they should have been fine with. Fused spurs are usually unnecessary for fixed loads, so I always avoid specifying them when regulations say they can be omitted.
@MrDazzathedude
@MrDazzathedude 3 жыл бұрын
Love your work and find it very interesting, you are clear, precise and come across very trustworthy. shame you are not located closer to where I live :):) you got yourself another subscriber.... have a fab day.
@mintsauce563
@mintsauce563 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see a non fire rated downlight vs fire rated mounted on plaster board
@gourdarchibald6588
@gourdarchibald6588 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the same test done on different makes of 2.5 T&E. All makes have to pass the relevant BS standard to be sold here, but are they as good as each other? Are some more equal than others?
@AndyK.1
@AndyK.1 3 жыл бұрын
Some would say we massively over engineer our cable thickness already, so even poor cable should be ok. Be nice to see a broken ring with 36A AC flowing.
@hughepaul
@hughepaul 3 жыл бұрын
What was the voltage across the wire from a welder at 40amps? If it's low voltage how does that affect the watts of heating being applied to the wire and connectors?
@MartinE63
@MartinE63 3 жыл бұрын
Volts don’t matter, at 100A fed from an inverter powered via a standard UK fused plug circuit it will be somewhere around 2 volts but regardless, in all cases of resistive circuits, the watts = amps squared multiplied by the resistance At 40A it will be around 6v.
@SandervdEnde
@SandervdEnde 3 жыл бұрын
@N Bundy Electrical, what happends overloading VIR or old rubber cable ???
@aidenbiden5597
@aidenbiden5597 3 жыл бұрын
It’s the same as tyres for vehicles they are rated to carry a certain wait that’s why you have the number part listed like 95Y the Y is the speed rating how fast the tyre can continuously travel at for one hour with out blowing and the 95 is the rating given for how much weight the tyre can carry I can’t remember exactly every rating and how they work but I’ve seen car tyres fitted to vans fully loaded and they still carry the air
@johngardner5382
@johngardner5382 3 жыл бұрын
very interesting to see what go on keep the videos
@flippyfurbex
@flippyfurbex 3 жыл бұрын
gives me vibes of photonicinduction videos i miss his stuff good video mate !
@PT4LifeYO
@PT4LifeYO Жыл бұрын
Wago 221s are 32a? Plus what torque do you have in the block connector screws. 😂
@kinross24
@kinross24 3 жыл бұрын
How did your own wall socket do? Could’ve opened that and had a look and shit a thermal at it?
@matelotjim9035
@matelotjim9035 3 жыл бұрын
Clamp meter for actual Amps, and take a voltage readings to work out the power. W=I*V 👍
@andyh5465
@andyh5465 3 жыл бұрын
So which would be best to extend the ring tails inside a CU? I was thinking Spliceline?
@amblernectar
@amblernectar 3 жыл бұрын
Depending on the cable size and current draw, a WAGO 221 upto 2.5mm and a WAGO 773-173 from 2.5mm upto 6mm work out well.
@haydenuk02
@haydenuk02 3 жыл бұрын
Great work as always. Thanks for the awesome content stay safe and take care
@robintodd3901
@robintodd3901 3 жыл бұрын
See why I think connector block is better than a connector that’s relying on sprung tension like a wago. Always said I’d rather be making the connection by lightly twisting cable cores then over both screws of the connector block into the same side.
@three-phase562
@three-phase562 3 жыл бұрын
40.2k subscribers when I watched this - congratulations. The wago has the least copper in it, so not surprising that it was the first to fail. I wonder if the connection pressure of the wago was also affected by the heat. That looks like an inverter style welder, so as per below, would be interesting to see a true RMS clamp meter reading the current to see how it compares to the readout on the welder.
@JBE
@JBE 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 40k Nick 👌 and great new content 👏.
@KevinSmith-ph6jv
@KevinSmith-ph6jv 3 жыл бұрын
Extremely satisfying to watch 👏
@pauledwards9493
@pauledwards9493 3 жыл бұрын
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