OVERPITCHING and LTE can lead to a HELICOPTER CRASH

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@DCS026
@DCS026 5 жыл бұрын
I am not even an helicopter pilot and I understood your explanation. Good job!
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, same here - well done, Mischa!
@euaniceland
@euaniceland 5 жыл бұрын
its actually amazing how he humbly explains things. Im a firm beleiver in when someone truly understands their subject they can explain it easily. This guy is a leader in the industry. EDIT : RIP little cbi :(
@MrBen527
@MrBen527 5 жыл бұрын
Same here. I wonder if the altitude surprised this guy too with less engine power.
@joeglennaz
@joeglennaz 4 жыл бұрын
Same here!! I am a private fixed wing pilot. Great job! I really like this channel
@mikepaz4870
@mikepaz4870 4 жыл бұрын
Concur
@anthonycostanza2896
@anthonycostanza2896 5 жыл бұрын
Good explaination about a common but all to frequent accident cause.. After Army flight school i got my real training in Vietnam.(1968-70). We were frequently operating at max gross in jungle mountains. We did not always have the luxury of doing OGE power checks or get actual weights due combat conditions. (Not recommended for your civilian or training environments because you always have time for flight planning in normal operations). One thing i always tried to afford my self was to have an escape plan if i started running out of left pedal on an approach. Instead of flying straight ahead, I tried to have a way clear to turn right (and down) add some right pedal in the turn. Full left pedal is telling you that the helicopter is not happy with the conditions. A combination of reducing power requirements and some airspeed brings back that happy feeling and you again are one with the machine. More than 50 years involved with helicopters and airplane and I have never damaged anything. Except for the occasional bullet hole. It seems there are no new accidents, just repeating old ones with different names and A/C numbers. I enjoy your videos and you are usually spot on with the information.
@falcos
@falcos 5 жыл бұрын
Anthony Costanza thanks for taking the time to write all that, You sir are a badass, Thank you for your service and for sharing your knowledge!
@westva22
@westva22 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information...and your service in Vietnam
@frederickwhite6416
@frederickwhite6416 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service brother. TH55A, Cairns at Mother Rucker. Wonder if Enterprise is still a dry town?
@pasadiko401
@pasadiko401 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, what an endorsement from a Viet vet. Misha, you must be doing something right (lol).
@CPBreezy80
@CPBreezy80 4 жыл бұрын
Are you from Cincinnati?
@falcos
@falcos 5 жыл бұрын
I really like the way you explained this. You managed to do it in a way that didn’t talk down to the audience but also explained it enough to make it accessible to anyone. That is a rare skill, You are a good teacher!
@xCoolBreezex
@xCoolBreezex 5 жыл бұрын
You’re a good dude it’s clear you want to save lives and your passion for flying is obvious
@jjsemperfi
@jjsemperfi 5 жыл бұрын
We used a pretty simple formula to estimate power available for high alt stuff. You lose roughly 1” of MP (Manifold Pressure) per 1,000’. You can also subtract about 1” of MP due to induction loss. So if you’re trying to land at 8,000’ (static MP there should be around 22” minus 1” for the induction loss) which leaves you about 21” of MP available. If you’re pulling into the approach and you haven’t even dropped out of ETL yet and you’re already pulling close to 20-21” then you know you’re most likely not going to have the power available to hover and or land. We could also roughly calculate our hover MP by taking our weight and dividing it by around 70-80 lbs per 1” MP (depending on season and helicopter) and this would tell you your rough hover MP. It’s been a long time since I’ve flown 300’s but say you’ve got a takeoff weight of 1700 lbs. Divide that by 75 and you get 22.6” of MP. So you can estimate a hover MP of around 22.5”. You could also try and figure this out for OGE (we just used IGE most of the time) if you wanted to play around with it. Piston performance stuff was pretty fun. Can’t say I miss the little hamster ball too much but I sure learned a lot from it.
@josemadarieta865
@josemadarieta865 5 жыл бұрын
yep. never had to deal with thin of a power margin but high da always a consideration. why you would even think to try that over the water just amazes me. had it happened over the ground it would have been an embarrassing learning opportunity and not a loss of a 1/4 million dollar aircraft
@fredharms4218
@fredharms4218 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing it. It was a Schweizer that had the problem, but I've had it in Jet Rangers, Hueys and Blackhawks. Any helicopter is vulnerable. We had the necessity to train pilots to land on true pinnacles, with terrain sloping away from the landing point so there wasn't any ground effect available. The technique was to make a slow approach and come to an out of ground effect hover a safe distance from the pinnacle, approximately 50 to 100 ft, above the touchdown elevation. If you can't stop the aircraft here, you won't be able to stop it on the pinnacle. At that point, if it starts to settle, lower the nose and either accelerate over the pinnacle toward lower terrain or turn away and fly out toward lower terrain. It's a lot tougher at night and on NVG's because you can't make a normal approach. You have to fly at the pinnacle at the same height so you can keep it in sight until you can put your skids or wheels on the touchdown point. Ya'll be careful out there. Live long and prosper!
@m118lr
@m118lr 5 жыл бұрын
Fred Harms ...that’d be awesome training technique or practice
@josemadarieta865
@josemadarieta865 5 жыл бұрын
yep. except i'd think you'd have to be super high/hot/heavy to have much problems with the blackhawk. the apache never ran out of power. the cobra, sometimes. i would probably be an ntsb report if i tried to fly one of those little thingys
@webowner79
@webowner79 5 жыл бұрын
I am not a helicopter pilot but private wing pilot. Watching your videos for quite a while. You have a very unique way of teaching stuff that is very easy to understand. Fantastic job you do here. Greets from Europe.
@kd4dcy
@kd4dcy 4 жыл бұрын
What nobody seems to be asking is WHY he didn't have sufficient power to hover, resulting in an overpitch situation? Was this a very hot and high situation?
@ndksou
@ndksou 3 жыл бұрын
High elevation and inexperience is my guess
@BitwiseMobile
@BitwiseMobile 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like a mountainous area, so I'm thinking he has never flown at that altitude before. He's probably used to flying at or close to sea level and he probably pulled that hover off a thousand times before at sea level with no problem. That's my guess.
@JayPatel101
@JayPatel101 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same question. Why isn't this scenario built into some guard rail automation to prevent. What's the definitive answer, does anyone know?
@carlwilliams6977
@carlwilliams6977 3 жыл бұрын
@@JayPatel101 I find your question problematic. Relying on technology is exactly why some "pilots" are running into trouble in commercial aviation. The SFO Asiana crash being a prime example! In this situation, he didn't have enough power to do what he was trying to do, and didn't leave himself enough altitude to escape. No technology is going to help you at that point! Self-inflating pontoons, notwithstanding! 🙂
@kevinstorm6009
@kevinstorm6009 3 жыл бұрын
@@BitwiseMobile the helicopter in the video is an older type. It appears to be a Schweizer S300 or similar. Technologies that might’ve helped the pilot avoid this problem may be lacking in such an older aircraft. The problem here was the pilot’s lack of training OR failure to apply the training received.
@lacidy
@lacidy 5 жыл бұрын
I have heard Mischa say many, many times "do a power check". I never understood why. Well, now i know.
@MarkWilliams-rx6bl
@MarkWilliams-rx6bl 8 ай бұрын
When I was flying Helos, we used to to call this phenomenon “Settling with Power”. The escape was exactly as you described. Well done!
@charliekeyes70418uuuu
@charliekeyes70418uuuu 5 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent excellent video, thank you so much for spending the time showing us this video.
@davidstruginski5621
@davidstruginski5621 4 жыл бұрын
Yea this guy knows his stuff Well done man top pilot👌👍
@wyattwells2463
@wyattwells2463 5 жыл бұрын
So my comment has to do with the likes vs dislikes... How does anyone dislike this video? It's very informative and very easy to understand. I guess you just cant please everyone...🙄
@pasadiko401
@pasadiko401 4 жыл бұрын
wyatt wells, hater will be haters, nobody can make happy everyone
@Milkmans_Son
@Milkmans_Son 4 жыл бұрын
It's sad, it's overpitched, it's LTE... ok, great, but did we just watch somebody die? Just a thought.
@REDMAN298
@REDMAN298 4 жыл бұрын
It`s scary that there are so many ignorant haters.
@piloth7039
@piloth7039 5 жыл бұрын
More instructional/practical+theory videos like this please! You have a great way of 'telling the story' so that people understand the first time around, the flight video you shoot complements perfectly too. Maybe some interior video and commentary of what you experience in that situation would have been good too 🤷‍♂️
@ahcmit
@ahcmit 5 жыл бұрын
As an ex-glider pilot we would always look at the accident reports in training and figure out what went wrong and how to best learn from these very sad events. Good video and thanks for the safety briefing. Mountain flying sounds the best type of flying, I am coming out there in a few years!
@AdventuresWithPurpose
@AdventuresWithPurpose 5 жыл бұрын
I have a show on lifting larger items out of the water. Was this ever recovered? Would you like some help? Let's connect.
@mickeyjuiced
@mickeyjuiced 5 жыл бұрын
Make a habit of demonstrative vlogs like this & not only could you save lives - improve helicopter safety around the world, you'll be the number 1 yt channel for helicopter pilots in no time, well done Mischa !
@javadocF16
@javadocF16 5 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I was very impressed at how concise & interesting you made this description of over pitch . I am a Seaplane Pilot and I fly an amphibious aircraft and as you described the correction of Over pitch, my mind said, STALL, STALL and the correction was reminiscent of stall recovery. Pitch forward , gain airspeed and never practice without adequate altitude. I think your style of instruction makes learning easy.
@WOODBARK100
@WOODBARK100 4 жыл бұрын
Correct - It's exactly the way I feel it - Over-pitched on maxed power = Loss or reduced air flow over the fixed wing or rotating wing = STALL. . . . Recovery = Quickly Reduce angle of attack ( stick forward on fix wing ) ( lower collective on rotary wing & cyclic forward to gain forward momentum) . . . Of course, on a "fixed wing" in order to gain forward momentum you will need enough altitude or an engine with some sort of reserve "power boost" system!
@simonj126
@simonj126 4 жыл бұрын
The blades aren't stalling....they just aren't producing enough lift as the rrpm decays.
@thomastucker5686
@thomastucker5686 4 жыл бұрын
@@simonj126 it's more the engine is stalling, but I understand it to be the engine lacking the force required for that blade pitch. It is an aerodynamic issue like a stall in that the airflow over the foils is directly impacting the condition.
@quantumperformance6686
@quantumperformance6686 5 жыл бұрын
holy shit, in the last 2 years of training I have had, I have never heard something so logically obvious. It's a second hand nature I have always felt, but for you to place all of this into words is priceless. It makes sense!
@leonardodivinci804
@leonardodivinci804 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! This kind of information will keep your channel in the forefront of knowledge transfer and help your channel grow. Thank you as always.
@stephen5147
@stephen5147 3 жыл бұрын
Just days away from taking my rotor PPL check ride. This is very helpful. Great channel. Thanks. Update: 22 months later... just passed my Commercial helicopter check ride.
@TheRailroaddan
@TheRailroaddan 5 жыл бұрын
My Instructor taught me this lesson early on in the Hughes 300C , amazing how quickly the pilot lost control , very sad , thanks for sharing .
@blancolirio
@blancolirio 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@florianvalois4548
@florianvalois4548 3 жыл бұрын
Yy
@MrSteve2714740
@MrSteve2714740 5 жыл бұрын
It’s so nice to listen to someone that can put a situation across without going into all that CAA and FFA B.S. jargon. Another great vid from the “Master explaining a Disaster” 👍🏻
@guidolyons4912
@guidolyons4912 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Just had this same conversation about LTE recovery with one of my students yesterday. Used the video of the NYC Hudson river LTE as an example. Now I have another to share. Avoid slow downwind hover, avoid downwind OGE hover. Always have an "out" if things don't go as planned. Lower collective, full left pedal (or right, if your rotor system turns clockwise) and forward cyclic and fly out of it.
@nipponhouseplayer
@nipponhouseplayer 4 жыл бұрын
In a 269 you lower the collective as you break into transition and it makes it feel smooth and look like its suppose too! It takes lots of power to hover(manifold) less to hover directly into the wind and lesser power to fly through transmission! Nose it over , lower the collective a bit ,get momentum , (into the wind is best ) and fly the machine.
@joentexas
@joentexas 5 жыл бұрын
Misha, been a while since I've watched a video but i really like your technical explanations. You make it so easy to understand for a non flyer. Thanks.
@ikay2102
@ikay2102 5 жыл бұрын
Mischa, you should find time and will to write a Helicopter bible 😁 I have a feeling that would be priceless.
@rickb06
@rickb06 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this guy is awesome, he cares and that's enough for most to learn.
@chrisnedbalek2866
@chrisnedbalek2866 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! You do a really good job explaining things! The pilot gave away all of his options, all of his altitude, for absolutely nothing. He literally put himself in a position where he had virtually no alternatives.
@GustavoSantos-gz7uj
@GustavoSantos-gz7uj 4 жыл бұрын
Experience is EVERYTHING.
@kenkaplan4413
@kenkaplan4413 Жыл бұрын
I am getting ready for my first lesson and so far this has been the best instructional video I have seen. Keep the videos coming.
@brussell639
@brussell639 4 жыл бұрын
This sounds exactly like when fixed wing pilots stall the plane, they instinctively want to pull back on the stick because they're afraid the plane is going down. In truth, they're already in a nose up attitude, but are unaware due to spatial disorientation. The nose up attitude is causing the loss of speed, which causes the stall, and unless they push the stick forward and get the nose back down and the speed back up, it will drop out of the sky like a rock.
@stuarthall3874
@stuarthall3874 4 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of the training with riding motorcycles where one is taught that if the front wheel starts sliding in a turn to increase throttle to transfer weight from the front wheel to the rear wheel. The instinct is to slow down when the front wheel starts sliding.
@brussell639
@brussell639 4 жыл бұрын
@@stuarthall3874 Yeah, and grabbing that front brake is another thing riders will instinctively want to do too, and that's going to put you on the ground even quicker. I don't know if I'd respond appropriately in that situation either. The only time I've ever had my front wheel sliding out from under me was because I was having to do an unplanned stop. I had just left a car wash and was approaching an intersection. I thought the guy in front of me was going thru the light, but he changed his mind. Fortunately I wasn't going very fast. I managed to get my feet down and save the bike, but I thought I might have broken my left leg in the process. But I have pretty sturdy bones, thankfully. I couldn't be out breaking my legs in Montana when home is back in Texas, it would've ruined the trip.
@brussell639
@brussell639 4 жыл бұрын
@That's_Mr_Ass_To_You It seems like they've become so reliant on the autopilot and a checklist that they've forgotten how to just fly the plane. Another thing I've noticed is they have little to no knowledge about which automated flight controls can stay on, or turn off in the background when the main autopilot function shuts off for whatever reason (kind of like the MCAS debacle on the 737 max, only I don't blame the pilots on that since Boeing didn't bother to tell anyone it existed).
@brussell639
@brussell639 4 жыл бұрын
@That's_Mr_Ass_To_You Good example. It's kinda scary.
@uwekonnigsstaddt524
@uwekonnigsstaddt524 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Air France 447. The pilot flying kept the “nose up” input all the way until crashing, never telling the other pilot what he was doing. Of course, the other pilot never asked either.
@joshuacorrington153
@joshuacorrington153 4 жыл бұрын
I like how this guy explains things.. If you are even minimally knowledgeable of the helicopter lingo and names of the controls, then listening to him is just like him explaining to you how to ride a bike..
@TransferAir
@TransferAir 4 жыл бұрын
🚁 Crash = 😔 The Hughes 300 is such a beautiful machine!. I know it sounds weird but this was the best looking Heli-Crash I’ve ever seen because of the great landscape. 🤙🏼
@Mark-et8vh
@Mark-et8vh Жыл бұрын
The closest I’ve come to flying a helicopter, was sitting in the front seat for a pass ride over Victoria Falls. That being said, I really enjoyed this video. Your thorough, yet understandable style, helped even me to understand. Your students are very fortunate. Thank you for sharing your expertise.
@curtkelsey2136
@curtkelsey2136 3 жыл бұрын
So I have only been flying for 20 years and I learned in my first year as a commercial pilot that an OGE hover power check is a terrible idea, you can do a good power check by just flying over your spot and checking your power no need to put your self at risk if not needed. Thanks for your videos.
@ramjet4025
@ramjet4025 3 жыл бұрын
well put.
@jeffcurry920
@jeffcurry920 3 жыл бұрын
Wow flying a helicopter seems so much harder than than flying a plane. I landed a 45 cub I think that is what I was told my friend was in back seat flying it says take this air craft to those fields never heard another word from him. I ended up getting my shit together just above the corn pulled throttle back and splashed into cornfield old man Peterson had a hear attack no longer with us but 20 minutes before we took off he said I will have you flying my outfit today. He lied I crashed his outfit
@springwellssw
@springwellssw 2 жыл бұрын
Genius! Wish you was in my state. I would for sure take flying lessons with you
@machelicopter80
@machelicopter80 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see more of this kind of content. It helps a lot for a good understanding of safe helicopter operation.
@TomBartlett-w2j
@TomBartlett-w2j Ай бұрын
Either way, BCH does a great job, as usual, of explaining LTE and how to prevent it.
@wac3619
@wac3619 5 жыл бұрын
Nice, easy to understand, But the music at the tail end of video is distracting. Good job.
@pistonpilot
@pistonpilot 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. This fixed-wing pilot was immediately able to translate it.
@patrickr8890
@patrickr8890 5 жыл бұрын
Wow Mischa, I absolutely love this video. Great info!👏
@davegeorge2307
@davegeorge2307 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen pilots do that many times and had no idea what was going on. Thanks for the great content
@michaela.660
@michaela.660 4 жыл бұрын
So for us fixed wing guys, this is an 'approach to stall/spin recovery'.
@youdoyouplayer8529
@youdoyouplayer8529 3 жыл бұрын
I love how the camera goes in and out of focus between his face and the helos as he’s explaining things.
@dwill2583
@dwill2583 4 жыл бұрын
Dudes informational breakdown is A1
@PearlyG_
@PearlyG_ 4 жыл бұрын
Mischa, I have these problems often in my Flight Sim (X-Plane 11) and your explanation will undoubtedly help me improve my landings and low level flying. Thank you very much!
@yosyp5905
@yosyp5905 4 жыл бұрын
Are you using the default helicopter?
@PearlyG_
@PearlyG_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@yosyp5905 I am using various helicopters mostly from Vskylabs with controls on most realistic setting in X-plane, (R66, Cabri, Cicare), Dreamfoil 407 and freeware Bell 429 from Tom Woods
@Whirlynerds
@Whirlynerds 5 жыл бұрын
First thing I said was, Power Check!..thanks to the years of watching this channel...and I'm not even a pilot..Yet ;)
@Cruiser007
@Cruiser007 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a helicopter pilot by far but everything you explained made perfect sense. Thanks for the video.
@flyingmonkey3315
@flyingmonkey3315 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to learn to fly with you man. What could be an overwhelming situation, so easily explained. Love it
@backwoodsriders1879
@backwoodsriders1879 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation! Never flown in a helicopter and understood everything
@dwC4u
@dwC4u 5 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation! How about doing one about the accident involving C-GELP last November?
@altonrowell8137
@altonrowell8137 3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw this video I was saying more tork peddle. But I'm sure he was giving it all he had. Very explained .
@sathishkumar-dx2tv
@sathishkumar-dx2tv 5 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on bringing up that helicopter from water..
@kazivance3803
@kazivance3803 4 жыл бұрын
i honestly agree as someone who is learning to become a sport liscense helicopter pilot i really would love a tutorial on how to to escape a situation like this. please get back to us OP.
@ostapbendervan7874
@ostapbendervan7874 4 жыл бұрын
Thats.old proprietary
@j.w.7688
@j.w.7688 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I have about 225 hrs in Robinson 22'ss and 44's but haven't flown in many years. But, i still have that passion for Heli's and the industry. Its refreshing watching and listening to your vids and knowledge in this field. Always enjoyable. Do you have any vids where you discuss the NOTAR system? Thanks again, take care.👍
@patricia2645
@patricia2645 4 жыл бұрын
The drop of power at hover, reminds me of trying to accelerate an automobile going 35mph in 5th gear"
@gratonkuria4783
@gratonkuria4783 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect and easy to understand explanation.
@dsfs17987
@dsfs17987 4 жыл бұрын
​@@gratonkuria4783 it is an oversimplification, and in this particular case it does more harm than good, it gives you an illusion you understand everything involved when in fact you don't, there are things one should not dumb down to 1+1=2 The problem with the car is that you're out of the sweet power spot of the engine, you got loads and loads of reserve power, you simply need to access it - drop a gear, increase rpm on the engine and you're fine The problem with the heli is that you're losing altitude, you're already at full power, there is no gear to drop down, the only fix is to lower the tax on the engine - reduce angle of attack of the rotor which also fixes the rotation, because the rotor torque is decreased - doing that however means you're going down even quicker So it is very much NOT like trying to accelerate in 5th gear at low speed, the only car comparison would be that you're trying to overtake someone on a 2lane highway, you got an incoming car on the opposite lane, and the guy you're overtaking is speeding up, and you're already in the low gear to get max acceleration, and that is still not enough to pass the cu** to your right before you run into the car in the opposing lane, thankfully you can slow down and feed behind the cu**, with heli - not so much, the incoming ground will hit you
@ostapbendervan7874
@ostapbendervan7874 4 жыл бұрын
Make sense, lower power above knock out stage Someone forgot.newton law
@dsfs17987
@dsfs17987 3 жыл бұрын
@@dapje2002 I may have come off as condescending, but that wasn't the aim like you suggest, and if you had some education in physics along with English grammar, you'd understand the meaning of my comment. I also didn't call anyone names like you did, and you also did nothing to exlain anything, you worthless piece of grammar nazi
@truckerray7533
@truckerray7533 5 жыл бұрын
Out of all the vidoes that i have seen from Mischa of Pilot Yellow, this one right here is by far my favorite one. Its awesome in one asspect that Mischa shares with us his journeys as a helicopter flight instructor there in Canada & with his studants but on the other is an excellant safety training video & detailed explanation of what happens, what a pilot should not do, & what a pilot should do to regain recovered control & get the helicopter back to "powerded", safe, forward, flight! Thankyou Mischa for sharing this video & i think you should take the time to share more helicopter safety video. God bless you my friend. Fly safe!!!
@wernerwiedon1331
@wernerwiedon1331 5 жыл бұрын
Yes Rodney my friend from Colorado, appriciate very much your answer for Micha. I have been two times in Bell 47 in this happen with out having a crash but was very anxiety and was having highly respakt how quick it is happen, instinct I did what Micha sayed thanks God 10 - 4 ! I highly recommend Michas instraction and flight School, have also seen from the world tour Videos it was awesome !
@truckerray7533
@truckerray7533 5 жыл бұрын
@@wernerwiedon1331 Thankyou Werner my friend from Germany
@bradreambeault3584
@bradreambeault3584 5 жыл бұрын
Another good vid Mischa. I'm assuming that's in BC somewhere so I'm guessing that it was a combination of over weight and high altitude. Keep up the great work!
@jameswalley134
@jameswalley134 4 жыл бұрын
This is very good advice. I flew UH1H Iroquois helicopters for 4.5 years in the Australian Air Force. I was a Check Captain and an Air Mobil Commander. I had numerous close calls but fortunately lived threw them all and never crashed. I love helicopter aerodynamics. Having also flown Jumbos, B767’s, A330’s, Machi Jets etc ... my favorite has always been the good old Huey (Iroquois) .... even though it did almost kill me 6 times.
@berndheiden7630
@berndheiden7630 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I overheard or did not find the info in the comments: what was the outcome for pilot and possibly passengers? Excellent explanation!
@mikeferguson2828
@mikeferguson2828 8 ай бұрын
I remember flying at high altitude in our Bell long Ranger air ambulance and we were going in to land on the road cut into the side of the mountain to get directions. We were a little heavy with fuel and about 10 000ft and as we came in and the pilot pulled collective the tail started swinging around to hit the side of the mountain, my pilot who was a really good ex military guy immediately pushed the collective down and pushed us off the side of the mountain picking up speed as we went. I had not even noticed we had a problem. He was so quick otherwise we would have put the tail into the side cut out of the mountain. Skills and experience saved the day.
@alexrod316
@alexrod316 5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to one day soon going up to Canada and taking your classes.
@lindagoentzel6812
@lindagoentzel6812 5 жыл бұрын
Your are the best instructor! I don't fly yet, but I can't imagine learning from anyone else because YOU have the GIFT! Like Douglas Sykes, I too, understood !!
@BobThePilotN4WFH
@BobThePilotN4WFH 5 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed it. Not a helicopter pilot though it all made sense.
@hansadrvr
@hansadrvr 5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent instructional video. I only fly fixed wing, unfortunately, but fly and instruct in Boeings and I like to watch regularly.
@sparkyranger4737
@sparkyranger4737 4 жыл бұрын
Like lowering the nose in a fixed wing to keep the wings from stalling.
@nancyoffenhiser4916
@nancyoffenhiser4916 4 жыл бұрын
At least as fixed wind pilots we have a buffet and a visual on the angle of attack. Doesn't look like much warning signs in a helicopter that you can feel with your body. No stall buzzer either ..
@markhux7217
@markhux7217 4 жыл бұрын
The low rotor RPM and horn would have come on, the manifold pressure would be up to the limit, the nose would want to rotate, there would be a lot of peddle used...there are a lot of indicators you are running out of power but a power check is the best...
@nancyoffenhiser4916
@nancyoffenhiser4916 4 жыл бұрын
@@markhux7217 thank you so much!!!!
@bell2097
@bell2097 5 жыл бұрын
Decades ago we called the recovery, getting into clean air. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
@m118lr
@m118lr 5 жыл бұрын
Bell 209 ...I’ve used the same terminology (back when I was flying in ‘04-‘05 up in Billings, Mt) BUT it was in regards to ‘Settling with Power’ or Ring Vortex more precisely. Dirty air is when the rotors aren’t able to maintain or gain lift over the blades due to an insufficient amount of power being applied (OGE hover) and the helo in this case starts to settle. Proper technique: Lower collective with forward cyclic moving into cleaner air...
@bell2097
@bell2097 5 жыл бұрын
@@m118lr your right, running out of power, and vortex ring state are different problems.
@josemadarieta865
@josemadarieta865 5 жыл бұрын
​@@bell2097 yeah. this wasnt settling with power. he actually had the benefit of the ige ground cushion (although i think its diminished over water vs ground). he just straight up ran out of power. he might have been able to save the day if he could have gotten some air flowing over the disc. but this accident happened way earlier, probably around 1k agl when he decided to show off by making a (kinda) steep approach to hover over the water. its all about power management. one day flying with our brand new ip. oge hover and he's like, hey watch this. he tips the apache 90 degrees on edge and we drop like a rock. i made him clean the shit out of my underwear so i wouldnt report the overtorque (i reported it anyway)
@bell2097
@bell2097 5 жыл бұрын
@@josemadarieta865 Your right, this was a power issue. Also right about ground effect being reduced over water. And right about power management being a big deal. Hard to believe that IP couldn't controll the cowboy in him, and then wanting to cover up a over torque, glad you reported it. My knee jerk comment missed the point of the video, my bad.
@josemadarieta865
@josemadarieta865 5 жыл бұрын
@@bell2097 yeah. he was special. but amazing how i always smoked my check rides with him after that ;)
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 4 жыл бұрын
7:18 - cool, here the visual jives with what he's saying.
@Aviyaytor
@Aviyaytor 4 жыл бұрын
Fixed wing commercial pilot here. You explained this rotary wing stuff perfectly! I would definitely lessons from you, because you know your sh!$! Thanks for this video!
@maddaug
@maddaug 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mischa, Question: If the pilot had reduced collective would he have been able to settle into ground effect over the water and correct the LTE issue the same time?
@PyroBoysz
@PyroBoysz 5 жыл бұрын
Water isn’t great for ground effect sadly! He would have to lower collective and gain airspeed!
@kevinNagel1776
@kevinNagel1776 4 жыл бұрын
Our pilots used to talk about Bad or Dirty Air when the natural flow below the roster changes.. great Video
@Peterrevell-Aotearoa
@Peterrevell-Aotearoa 5 жыл бұрын
Q. But what caused it. Hardly any wind, looked like one passenger. An inexperienced question, just curious as to how the engine got into this situation on the video as well as the second example with the fly away. Thank you great video
@iratd101
@iratd101 5 жыл бұрын
Possibly high mountain altitude.
@Peterrevell-Aotearoa
@Peterrevell-Aotearoa 5 жыл бұрын
Dana Rainey Thank you.
@Da-Creams
@Da-Creams 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for playing the video at the start.👍
@mikehagan4320
@mikehagan4320 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation on flying! I am a teacher sometimes also. Flawless explanation. On another topic. I wouldn't be very happy spending hours getting to a mountain lake to get away from it all and then some Clown flies in with a helicopter. I've hiked and sweated buckets to get to the tops of mountains and had people drive there lazy as*es by illegally on a trail right past me. I've chained my pick up and drove 18 miles in deep snow into the hills to hunt Elk and had groups of snowmobilers with incredibly load pipes going through every tiny trail Also illegally. A little consideration Please. When I was a fairly young Man an old Backpacker told me to "Not Ruin the Wilderness Experience of Others." I've Always Lived by that Rule. Though not always possible. You can wear earth tone clothing and equipment. Not be overly noisy. If someone is at the lake you intended go to. Then go to the next lake. And travel with all of the different modes of transport responsibility, courteously and in the appropriate areas and time frame for your type of transport. Just saying. Good video!
@TheOwenMajor
@TheOwenMajor 4 жыл бұрын
"Old man shakes sticks and youngins who make too much noise" You need to ease up man, powersports have every right to enjoy nature as you.
@mikehagan4320
@mikehagan4320 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheOwenMajor If trails have been deemed hiking or horse trails only. Or if snowmobiling in certain areas are off limits during hunting season it is reasonable to expect others to fallow the rules. Some of us have a Great deal of time and money invested in going to the mountains for our activities. I wouldn't go to a popular snowmobiling or ATV area and turn it into a live shooting range and say " Ease up Man!" A little common consideration is reasonable. We live in a crowded World. We can all have our time in the backcountry to do our Thing. Grow up and Think of others. The World isn't all about you.
@troypoff7974
@troypoff7974 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for These types of educational suggestions. Those who are self taught don't often learn the how too overcome such a situation as rhis one. Thanks again. Troy
@luisruiz2430
@luisruiz2430 5 жыл бұрын
I first read that description and thought how in the heck did LTE cell phone signal bring down a helicopter 😂
@alwatt9367
@alwatt9367 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly I only fly big RC helicopters but you are a great teacher and it also helps us small pilots thank you
@dandymedel6744
@dandymedel6744 5 жыл бұрын
Pilot Yellow, stay safe, God bless you always!
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the off topic comment but I really like both of your helicopters. 👍
@axelram5510
@axelram5510 5 жыл бұрын
Plethora of information.. Thanks Misha.
@MichaelBrown-ny3et
@MichaelBrown-ny3et 4 жыл бұрын
When he came to a hover, it was to late. I used to fly Lima model Blackhawks so power wasn’t really a problem. If you’re loaded up and in elevations like Afghanistan, problems begin with the altitude. It wasn’t LTE but it was settling with power. Scary.
@fredbixeljr7124
@fredbixeljr7124 5 жыл бұрын
Great video a lot can be learned From accidents
@kimber1911
@kimber1911 5 жыл бұрын
Great job! I am not a helicopter pilot but it makes sense from aerodynamics and physics standpoint!
@chiccoka
@chiccoka 5 жыл бұрын
its seems similar to stall on fixed wing .push down to recover to gain speed aka lift later.
@josemadarieta865
@josemadarieta865 5 жыл бұрын
yes. lower the collective to reduce the "overpitch" and regain rpm in the main rotor and pitch forward (or left/right/back) to get some airflow and get the disc flying again. the main diff between fixed wing and rotor craft is that pesky torque. once the tail rotor stops working you are pretty much out of options except collective full down, which in this case meant taking a swim
@meatloafseagal5713
@meatloafseagal5713 Жыл бұрын
4 years late to this vid. Avid RC heli pilot here. The same thing happens to us too, these lessons cost far less to us. That said, being able to spot engine bog and let off the collective quickly will save your model. Or lives in your case. Being able to create forward "wing" lift as your motor gets back to rpm is critical. And opposite to everything your mind is telling you. Cool video.
@tomservo5007
@tomservo5007 4 жыл бұрын
"McFly, you bojo! Those boards dont work on water unless you got POWER " --Biff's son was right
@56hueycobra
@56hueycobra 5 жыл бұрын
Mischa: Thank You For the GREAT VIDEO and How to RIGHT the Problem Of Over Pitching and LTE Sir!!!
@actionrjackson
@actionrjackson 5 жыл бұрын
Hope that wasn't one of the Schweizers you sold. Great video content. Thank you for sharing. I hope everyone was safe in the end. A water landing is always bad. :( P.S. Andrew hovers better over water. Need to correct this fact 🤣
@davewright3088
@davewright3088 5 ай бұрын
Sailplane pilot here, understood all, thanks..! Left with the question of, if the helo didn't have enough power for controlled hover, how on earth was any of that gear or passengers going to lift off..?!
@deSloleye
@deSloleye 5 жыл бұрын
Why did this happen, though? The helicopter could hover when it took off and has to be lighter than then. Is this in a place with huge variations of ground level? Would that lake be 5000' higher than the take off point?
@grandenauto3214
@grandenauto3214 5 жыл бұрын
Not a helicopter guy but I think he explained... power was maxed out so you need to apply forward motion to get wind under the wings/rotors to give lift
@deSloleye
@deSloleye 5 жыл бұрын
@@grandenauto3214 not really an explanation. The helicopter took off and hovered in the first place. It only got lighter from then. Unless it had a partial engine failure it would start with sufficient power and only get more and more excess power for hovering. Something else changes that means a helicopter that can take off can't hover.
@grandenauto3214
@grandenauto3214 5 жыл бұрын
deSloleye the engine has the same power but there isn’t enough air getting under the wings to keep it in the air, which is why you want to move forward... get more air under the wings and fly out of it.
@johnhansen8134
@johnhansen8134 3 жыл бұрын
You’re such a good teacher Mischa! Keep up the great work!
@linehand5246
@linehand5246 4 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why I watched this?! But I feel like I can fly a helicopter now
@tomeaston2962
@tomeaston2962 4 жыл бұрын
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@TPFXTD
@TPFXTD 3 жыл бұрын
me too i wonder who could loan me a helicopter to try
@chuckswinden1635
@chuckswinden1635 4 жыл бұрын
I,ve never been at the controls of a helicopter but if and when I do, I hope I have an instructor like you..
@sanfranciscobay
@sanfranciscobay 5 жыл бұрын
Look at the specifications of a Robinson 22 Helicopter. It doesn't have enough power to carry two 250 pound passengers. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_R22
@heifner1063
@heifner1063 4 жыл бұрын
Not a r22
@alexrXX
@alexrXX 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot. Don't want to be a pilot, but love your videos. Brilliant detailed explanations of how things work. What pilots should and shouldn't be doing. I suppose it's a lesson in aerodynamics, mechanics, co-ordination and skills.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 жыл бұрын
SOMEBODY missed the VERIFY FLOATS INSTALLED step on their checklist....
@rollingstone3652
@rollingstone3652 4 жыл бұрын
He wasn't supposed to be flying over water.
@edgarmachado6008
@edgarmachado6008 4 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video. I have no helicopter flight experience and I understood everything he said. I would love to train with him.
@christofschafer3921
@christofschafer3921 5 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if the pilot made it out oft the Helikopter?
@HiTechDiver
@HiTechDiver 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. You're calling it over pitching; sounds like what we called settling with power; which we trained for.
@laz288
@laz288 5 жыл бұрын
I always disable LTE and use 3G when hovering over lakes.
@jefffortune2438
@jefffortune2438 5 жыл бұрын
Loved your explanation. What kind of helicopters are behind you?
@BobABooey.
@BobABooey. 5 жыл бұрын
Gabri G2, similar to an R22.
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