Overpopulation: We should die.

This conversation is a little old, so one claim is outdated: We're not ABOUT to reach 8 billion people. We are 8 billion people. Despite the claims that we have enough resources for far more people than we have... The truth is more complicated than that. So, how do we deal with it? We have... some of the ideas ever thought.
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[@cleophoebe6385]

After thousands of years, we have reached the milestone of 8 billion people, and if we work together, in just 3 months we can reduce it to 1 billion! Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@pasdenom1799]

I am SO with you on that one, LET'S MAKE EARTH GREAT AGAIN, BABY!! We'll call it *'Natural Selection'* , hehe.

[@amidlej8237]

I hear your wise words, Cleo, and I shall follow them.

[@ignisbad9158]

You are a filthy goverment loving commie. I would sooner poke my balls with a sword rather than pay a single more penny to the goverment.

[@rbxless]

Finally I've got an excuse to kill my noisy neighbors.

[@rbxless]

Like dude it's 6 in the morning why are you drilling the billionth hole in your apartment?

[@albevanhanoy]

"What the fuck are you doing in London?" "I am trying to LEAVE." The only valid answer.

[@thealchemistking4063]

This video goes from "Overpopulation: A debate" to "So a workaholic asexual and a hedonistic pansexual walk into a bar"

[@yurirollrrir1807]

this comment made me wonder, what would a hedonistic asexual and a workaholic pansexual be like?

[@Toberumono]

@@yurirollrrir1807 “Workaholism” doesn’t really have anything to do with sexuality (it still can lead to not having sex, of course), so a workaholic pansexual is Schrodinger's sexuality - you cannot know the outcome until it is observed, and the workaholism permanently prevents observance, so we will never know… More specifically, neither modifier actually has anything to do with each other, so they’d just be a hedon that doesn’t have sex and somebody for whom gender isn’t a filter… also not having sex.

[@thealchemistking4063]

@@yurirollrrir1807 …Bowl and Harry

[@robertallan8035]

@@Toberumono pansexual only means being attracted sexually to all genders, not necessarily acting on it.

[@enere66]

From "Top 10 ways to kill people" to "Sex will be removed in 24 hours"

[@majesticed9329]

Sometimes i wonder if Harry grew up on a normal family environment, or if he was created by a council of ancient purist trying to create the perfect flesh robot

[@zelda4ever72]

Definitely the latter and not the former.

[@redundantfridge9764]

I can argue that Harry would abandon the weakness of the flesh and accept the cold, hard body of metal. I can also argue that forming a machine of flesh would be a perfect contradiction; to intentionally create imperfection to establish the final piece of knowing what a flaw is physically before reaching absolute perfection.

[@heyhey97777]

@@redundantfridge9764 "I can argue that Harry would abandon the weakness of the flesh and accept the cold, hard body of metal." Funny thing is, he literally said that he absolutely would do this in the "Are A,Is sentient?" video.

[@somedudefromapharmacy]

This is some serious Terminator shit

[@L_the_II]

I think they succeeded

[@youribosque9832]

"Stop acting like spending fifteen minutes destroying a man's anus will ruin your career" Careers have been destroyed for much less !

[@asmallyoutube]

CR7's career could be destroyed in seconds.

[@thedead073]

@@asmallyoutube CRY7's career is safe

[@thaizsanches9103]

@@thedead073 cry7?

[@thedead073]

@@thaizsanches9103 Yep. Cry 7 because Cry is all he's done this year

[@thaizsanches9103]

@@thedead073 yea true

[@pottedplant37_]

"A nuclear war could kill 6 billion people;I think that's great" is such a crazy line out of context.

[@roar1ng]

its worse WITH the context ngl

[@omorifan6011]

Context doesn't make it better

[@theclaudeqc3rdone290]

Yeah, but he forgot a thing. Radiation will kill the remaining quite easily. So a total wipe out of not only human, but all types of life!

[@shadestrider1033]

Nuking every continent would destroy everything. I find the “kill all humans” argument to be flawed. Humans are needed so that we can fix this environmental mess we’ve made.

[@voidbg7017]

@@theclaudeqc3rdone290 just eat a Flintstones vitamin gummy

[@felineentity]

I'm surprised nobody took the obvious route and accused Harry of being addicted to productivity...

[@yatsubox4893]

Ohhh- yeah 😮

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

“Oh, no! I cannot stop accomplishing things… The shame.”

[@retroflame3104]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence If you’re constantly spending all of your time accomplishing things you don’t have any time left to enjoy what you accomplished. Progress for the sake of progress is pointless, what makes progress good is that it improves people’s lives.

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

@@retroflame3104 “If you’re constantly spending all your time accomplishing things you don’t have any time left to enjoy what you’ve accomplished.” Says who? Did you just say that because it sounded nice?

[@caualongshanks]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence Im bouta enjoy this conversation real nice

[@Smallsmallrose]

I love how offended Harry got when Mister Incredible was dragged into the conversation. Harry and Bowl on opposite sides of a conversation is like watching two villains from different arcs go at it.

[@MrMilk-dy4gv]

@Pixelbuddy I can see the resemblances.

[@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit.]

@@MrMilk-dy4gv Oh my fucking God. It's that fucking bodyless vampire from the goated manga with Japanese Edgar Allan Poe. Based.

[@lmul1441]

I like it when Bowl takes a debate somewhat seriously, especially against Harry. It's really entertaining.

[@theoverseer1775]

It's literally like watching Megamind and Gru argue over who is cooler for 35 minutes straight

[@LittleLilac27]

The more I watched this video, the more I had to remind myself that Harry is an actual person, and not just Von Karma irl, because DAMN does he fit the role.

[@naironluiz8126]

the main difference between both is that Manfred actually had sex (hence Franziska)

[@anubis7457]

@@naironluiz8126 Implying Franz didn’t just grow out of Von Karma like a tumor?

[@naironluiz8126]

@@anubis7457 Shit, that may be possible.

[@mareklonestar7053]

@@naironluiz8126Maybe she was created in a tube, to create a worthy successor to von Karma

[@juzst_mm3614]

I like Bowl's "Here we go", when Harry appears. Feels like "Ah shit, here we go again"

[@leirbag1595]

It's gotten to where I'm wondering if Bowl isn't just kind of tired of Harry's schtick at this point. In older arguments, he happily played along and played his character in alignment with Harry's arguments, but now he's almost dropping the act altogether and argued against him with the most seriousness I've ever seen him have.

[@AngeloFoxZangetsu]

@@leirbag1595 character development at it's finest

[@Kraxel-North]

@@AngeloFoxZangetsu yeah, it's called good writing!

[@SereneLeskovsky]

@@leirbag1595 he was more serious in art vs art

[@leirbag1595]

@@SereneLeskovsky Aye, I think I missed that one. That would make it the second more serious time then.

[@robertallan8035]

Harry forgets one thing. The ideal society, IE one evolved to such an extent that banning sex would even be remotely feasible and wouldn’t cause an immediate revolution, should be capable of raising citizens who are disciplined and educated enough to resist the temptations of addiction. Someone who doesn’t commit rape or murder only because it’s illegal, and not because they are a disciplined, noble person is not a good person at all. If Harry really wants to fight mediocrity he should promote the raising of citizens capable of freely indulging in sex, pornography, and drugs of all kinds without succumbing to addiction. The ideal society is not one of robots who never indulge in anything because it’s illegal, it is of people who can have all the sex and cocaine they want, but are responsible enough to be moderate and never become addicted. Tl;DR: fuck London and I hope Cleo made it to a restroom.

[@themanageriguess]

It exists. It’s called Detroit and it really doesn’t work.

[@arthurwarren8289]

Nice one mate! I can see your point, but like many other ideological viewpoints, as soon as you put people into it, they will defect from it, if just out of curious nature, or mediocre idiocy. I doubt all humans could unanimously trust their uprisings and facts to stay off something that tempts them, even if they have not had it. I'm sure this was clear to you before, btw, but I thought I'd point it out to those reading it.

[@bobboy61]

Harry's arguing for the Solarian idea of sex from Asimov's Robots novels (Which lead into the Foundation series). That's the take-away I gathered from it.

[@SomeIceGuy]

Yeah, I don’t kill people but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t if it wasn’t illegal.

[@bruschetta7711]

Trying something new isn't a problem, nor it is to use it with moderation If we really have to compare drugs to sex, it's true that both are addicting, but the whole point is to not get addicted Addiction is not something you can't control, drugs/sex makes you happier because it releases the funny chemicals, but true "mental" strenght is when someone doesn't need to rely on those to live or live happily, oppositely one that only wants to feel happy like it happens in those moments will only depend on it more, making them more degenerate as the other precious things in life won't make them as happy It's no different than a kid asking for candies, we have little control over ourselves and we don't consider or don't care about the side effects, but if one is mature enough they eat them without getting addicted and only running on a diet of candies So i believe people can have sex maturely and do drugs maturely, even if sadly many people don't do the same I will agree that currently there's an overglorification of the act of sex, it's a running joke gone for so long that it's unnerving, at least some people seem to realize spamming 69 doesn't make you funny

[@jaxsonadros2066]

What I've learned is that Harry is just Ace and is sick and tired of everyone telling them that sex is the best.

[@seedlesswatermelon566]

I was gonna comment this myself. It's as simple as that

[@swavii4337]

"Love is an illusion, the Orgasm is not" Thats going into the history books.

[@tomsky4751]

Truer words have never been spoken

[@brandonmorris6564]

I love the idea that while this entire conversation is going on, Cleo is STILL stuck in traffic. XD

[@Ilias2]

Cleo didn't.

[@Tha-mountain]

I live in the country so i will die in a hour

[@ambassadorofbadtaste]

​​@@Tha-mountainayo?

[@Tha-mountain]

@@ambassadorofbadtaste I’m not a patient man

[@alida6704]

Harry: Sex is never the only option. You will always find other stuff to do. FC: What if I am stuff? Holy- wow 😳

[@ASTMVN]

Sometimes when I watch these videos I can't tell whether anyone involved is serious or not, but that's the price we pay to have the discussions that matter. Like whether or not we should mandate stabbing guys in the balls by 17.

[@bobboy61]

The best shitposts are semi-serious, because then you can argue to increasingly-drastic ideals while testing your core thoughts on the subject at hand.

[@seanspindleshanks2529]

I think Bowl is half joking, and I think that Harry has been 100% serious in everything he's ever said

[@EnriqueLaberintico]

I mean Harry is presented as "Autismus Rex" in one of his lines in the cast video, and we don't know the concept of hj so it makes sense.

[@ambassadorofbadtaste]

Rita would be happy

[@wnuzbiwat]

I love Bowl’s dance at 31:23 so much

[@alida6704]

Same 😭

[@moonblaze2713]

"I seek to improve the population by preventing them from having sex." Wait, Harry was secretly Kellogg, the inventor of Corn Flakes, this whole time? I never would have guessed.

[@Elwillyx475]

"You would be happier if you stopped pretending being a miserable arsehole makes you better". 'Bout damn time someone gave that answer to one of Harry's supervillain projects

[@malkinternetflavor7253]

I'm kind of suprised no one mentioned China's 'One Child Policy' where (as the name states) parents are only allowed to have 1 child and if they were to have more, they would be punished (stuff like twins and triplets being an exception).

[@leirbag1595]

And we see where that led them. Previous cultural norms made male infants more "valuable", causing parents to abort girls en masse. Today, you find yourself with a whole generation of few women being seen as assets, and numerous men who find themselves with an often unwinable competition to find a partner. Not to mention the fact that even though the ban if mostly lifted now, the aging of the population and the financial stress of the single children to take care of their parents and sometimes grandparents alone, younger generations simply cannot afford a family. It is a nasty vicious cycle that I expect to see crashing in my lifetime.

[@im4ft622]

@@leirbag1595 everyday I thank god for not being born in china

[@leirbag1595]

@@im4ft622 Cheers to that. The Chinese people deserved better.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I’m surprised no one brought that point up given that these argument tend to bring up facts on various things. It just felt like two people wanted to duke out extreme viewpoints. And I do agree: the one child policy should never have existed. Even if people generally had boys and girls in equal measures, the fact that you are even more luck of the draw by being the first to be born in a family is not a fact that will be lost even amidst the first generation from that act and will be at least be protested against in the third generation from that act.

[@SpathiCaptainFwiffo]

As was shown in the description, this is an old debate, meaning it wasn't as well known at the time.

[@redlighter516]

bowl and harry trying fighting over having the single worst take of all time is fucking hilarious

[@zeldaenby224]

Wym? Bowl's opinion is correct

[@furret1907]

@@zeldaenby224 Wdym? Harry was the one who wanted to ban sex, not Bowl.

[@zeldaenby224]

@@furret1907 honestly, they both have a point

[@randomvidz1235]

@@zeldaenby224 when u realise overpopulation isn't even real💀 it's a complete myth , with modern tech the earth can support 12 BILLION people, and because of falling birth rates, we'd never cross 11.5 BILLION people ever, we'd reach a peak before that and slowly go down..

[@ssjbread2803]

@@zeldaenby224 nah, cuz Harry's plan wouldn't have even worked because banning sex sure as hell won't stop it

[@Tr0lliPop]

23:00 "Unlike"? Skydiving, skiing AND sailing all have a VERY real risk of death and the phrase "Adrenaline junkie" exists for a reason. Additionally, Harry's mindset seems to have the goal of every single human being on the planet working every waking second of their day, which will not only eventually lead to burnout - causing their performance to plummet - but also make their life MISERABLE. If I was forced into a life of work after work after work non-stop, I would remove myself from the universe with a bullet to the head then and there to put myself out of my agony because a life of only work is not a life. As bowl has said, I don't owe this world anything. If I die, I don't want my last words to be "finally".

[@wyxelix5041]

Being productive does not necessarily mean working, there's many alternatives to sex that anyone can enjoy but more productive while not conforming to instant gratification, this includes but are not limited to cycling, playing chess, swimming, reading books, socializing(with some exceptions), cooking, playing and even being bored is productive(as some studies suggests). However these hobbies/activities can also be addicting and shouldn't take too much of your time(if done individually, not combined) otherwise you might be less productive than you could be. Prior to certain beliefs, you can still be happy even though you're efficient and productive.

[@Tr0lliPop]

@@wyxelix5041 Oh. Wait, how is chess productive? And being bored?

[@Mycorrhiza]

As implied by Harry, sleeping is also productive.

[@lulinhass927]

@@wyxelix5041 I feel like It was heavily implied that you should only do other things If they were still productive. You still would be able to sleep, however you wouldn't be able to do nothing If It wasn't productive. You wouldn't be able to consume nothing If It didn't help you in any way, for example you would not be able to play chess unless It proved usefull like a mental exercise and/or usefull to your job. But one thing to remember is that you *can not* do things for simply relaxing, *If you want to relax you need to be productive at the same time* .

[@mesotolioma5089]

Skill issue

[@DukeMemes6047]

I feel that Harry’s argument was uncharacteristically weak in this video. It was mainly predicated on slippery slope and a good amount of ad hominem. When he was proven wrong, he’d back out with a “that’s not my point.” Plus, a lot of the comparisons he made were just outright false. While sex, if very irresponsibly performed, does have chances for STDs, it is not nearly as self destructive as the psychoactive drugs he compared it to. Another thing, a lot of the things he listed as the cons of sex were repetitive, merely subjective, or both. He also failed to consider both sides of the argument before making his point, cementing it as a biased and emotional argument (which is pretty uncharacteristic for Harry of all people).

[@abyssreborn4213]

@@forkgodsdescendant2503 Harry's argument wasn't actually that good in that video, though.

[@forkgodsdescendant2503]

@@abyssreborn4213 But they definitely had more depth.

[@abyssreborn4213]

@@forkgodsdescendant2503 That's true.

[@Saga_Anserum]

yeah, agree. I mean, I feel about sex pretty similarly to what he does (on a personal level, you do what you want) but at the point where Bowl listed off beneficial things about sex, he just said you could say the same things about drugs, completely ignoring the existence of medicine. A lot of harmful drugs are just less pure and more unmoderated versions of medicines, after all.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Also, some people use soda as self-medication for unrecognized ADHD, and caffeine really is not that good for humans, so illegal drugs are not that far above legal stuff.

[@Lacter12]

it kinda bothers me how they didn't talk about the aging population that comes with decreasing birth rates

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

You are right, their stance on this one is outdated.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Conveniently, this is not a current dialogue.

[@Lacter12]

@@iantaakalla8180 ?

[@copperCCSD]

I read something from a Science magazine a few years ago that said the population will peak at 11 billion (which is comfortably sustainable with current infrastructure) but will then start going down. Therefore overpopulation isn’t that big of an issue. Regarding the specific issue of traffic, you could probably blame that on the city not being planned efficiently, which is understandable since it’s hella old. Additionally, less people means that the world will be less productive. There’ll be less manpower, fewer scientists, and progress will decrease worldwide. Less people does mean more resources per person, yes, but it would probably take more effort to obtain, process, and distribute those resources in the first place. As for making babies, I’ll leave that to sexperts like Harry and Fridge Guy to argue over.

[@Mad-Goose]

The population growth rate is certainly slowing at least. The total population is also starting to plateau in some first world countries. Pretty sure that last I've heard, Japan is going through a negative population growth. Personally, I think trying to control population growth through fertility is a bad idea. We kinda need more young people than old people to make sure we can have everyone taken care of and if there's more elderly people than young people, it's definitely going to be quite the challenge for our current society. I think the best approach to overpopulation is to instead focus on what to do with the elderly population and I'm surprised Harry didn't take this approach.

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

Indeed, older cities weren’t built to accommodate cars. Only people and carriages.

[@adsri2755]

I don't think less people would mean less productivity as less people means less problems that need to be solved by scientists. As long as there aren't too few people, we should be able to process resources for people at the same rate, since per Capita nothing will have changed. Small countries don't seem to have too big an issue with resource acquisition compared to larger ones.

[@dan_man3087]

The thing is, the overpopulation is not only a resources problem, but the societal\job and infrastructure problem as well. When there're 10 people fighting over to get 1 job place - that's more or less healthy competition. But what will happen if the number of people suddenly increases? What if it's 15 people? 20 people? 50 people? You need only 1 person for the job, but what all other 49 are gonna do? Especially if they're spent a big part of their lives to learn how to do the job without learning something else as a "main skill". That's a recipe for disaster, like poverty and jobless people, which can lead to a lot of depressed and homeless people. Add in AI that already almost took workplaces from designers and artists... How those people will earn money for themselves? Secondly - there can be enough resources in "raw material" form. But is there enough "finished" products and infrastructures? Does everyone have a house? Do they have enough good schools and kindergardens? Power plants? Medical centers and meds? List can go on and on. There already some statistics which stating that people under 30 are living with their parents much and much often nowadays, than mere 10-20 years ago. Because they can't even afford houses, have a job problems and higher probability of mental issues that somewhat prevents them to living alone. You would think we need to prepare for the population rising, but noooo... We continue pumping babies without solving those issues first. So from the resources point of view we really are not exactly overpopulating. But we still don't have any "place" for that many people to live, educate themselves and work for society. Which is quite sad.

[@InfiniteGreninja]

Bowl vs Harry is like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. Truly a clash for the centuries.

[@SuperZePe2]

0:52 "Hitler and Stalin sure tried" Got me dying XD.

[@nightmare3711]

For one who cries for productivity, Harry sure does like to waste his time chatting with people over Discord

[@ltg3124]

Is this not a meaningful discussion?

[@Saga_Anserum]

@@ltg3124 not particularly, at least not with Harry's apparent definition of meaningful. Chances are, the people in this discussion will not end up being in positions of power where they can directly influence the lives of many people. This will not be remembered.

[@sobbingtodeath4773]

@@Saga_Anserum I mean, now that they've made their conversations public, and taking into account how such a casual way to consume this kind of content could spring somebody into a rabbit hole of philosophy and then lead them to trying to fix things... What I mean is that, although they themselves might not be doing anything 'meaningful' they can for sure influence other people in a positive way.

[@jy61]

@@sobbingtodeath4773 It is certainly not the OPTIMAL way of making change, though.

[@TheAnalyst_]

@@jy611 year ago but excellent take, harry is hypocritical, I consider myself a productive person and I watch these for entertainment, not to get any productive insight on the world because there are many sources on the internet that can do that job much better than harry and his crew

[@Eldoofus]

Let's be fair, having a healthy relationship is one of the most productive things you could get in your life; a couple not only helps you with your struggles in any capacity on their reach, that person can also support you whenever you need it, and encourage you to change for the better, overall making your life easier and MORE productive. You can talk about important topics, about solving problems, about understanding new concepts... the possibilities are as limitless as our very souls. In that case, getting to have sex is as easy as saying: "Hey, wanna go a round?" So there's really no drawback to doing it in your spare time. There's no hygiene issues because you could both take a shower beforehand, and you know your pairing well enough to be aware of any sickness. It can be done in moderation, and it WILL be healthy because it will strengthen your relationship, which already gives you a lot of benefits by itself. Sexual Intercourse, like everything else, has its risks and its rewards, but done in moderation, the outcome WILL be positive to the average person.

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

But the time I wasted trying to find and forge bonds could have been better spent selling organs and binging amphetamine.

[@scottyyoch3537]

Do it in marriage, attach lifelong responsibility to it, and you've got the perfect engine of civilization *I wonder if there's historical record of this*

[@hwanniggles187]

The point of Harry's "ban sex" was founded on the fact people shit on you for not having it. Theres a stigma around virginity which is plain stupid. You could solve world hunger, find the cure for cancer, create world peace among the superpowers but people will only pay attention to the fact you've never seen a pussy in your life. And thats where the degeneracy comes in. "If you aint in, you out" mentality. You're seen as a loser even if you've objectively accomplished more than them

[@Eldoofus]

@@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666 Well, those should be formed organically without much extra effort, if you're unable to form bonds WHILE you're being productive... that's a "you" problem.

[@Eldoofus]

@@scottyyoch3537 You mean, as in the Bibble?

[@ZephyrusMapping]

The argument that sex obsession is what's leading to overpopulation is a fallacy, modern developed nations where sexual liberty is high actually have very low birth rates and population growth, and in some cases, even population decline. The world's current population is growing so rapidly mainly due to sub-Saharan Africa.

[@NyanMango]

Thank you for pointing this out, I was hoping it would be mentioned.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

And Sub-Saharan Africa is, in fact, composed of countries that often have very rigouristic views on sex. Ooops

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Bingo. Tho I'd argue it's not sexual liberty that leads to less birth but economic prosperity.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

@@danielsurvivor1372 it's both. Countries with sexual liberty don't pressure people to have children like traditional communities.

[@arthurwarren8289]

I have a friend who, up until recently, said he would remove 4 billion people from the planet, at random, if he could. I explained to him that supply lines, production lines, and modern economics itself would be put into anarchy if we suffered such a loss. The RUSIG thingy really fascinated me, since that seems like a viable way (if a real system is put around it) to solve the overpopulation we are experiencing. I managed to half change my friends mind, but I'm definitely going to follow it up with some of these arguments. P. S. I hope taking and developing someone else's views is not degenerate. Especially in order to reason with someone genocidal.

[@Toberumono]

It depends on which side you are taking them from.

[@Saga_Anserum]

good stuff! tbh I think viewing humanity as something which can only lead to bad things is not healthy. I mean, what can you do with that view? you'll start to lose your ability to appreciate the insights of people you don't know. I'm definitely biased because I think about what other people think and feel a lot more than is usual or healthy. If your friend brings up lack of food, point out bugs and supersizing techniques used by restaurants.

[@arthurwarren8289]

@@Saga_Anserum That's a really good point, and I'll use that food argument if he brings it up. Viewing humans as purely destructive is blatantly ignoring other good things. Though it's true, we can't get through life without making something worse, doing something greedy, or thinking we're too good for something, it's important we focus on the good. Not ignoring the bad, but striving for good is not the dwelling on bad things with guilt or shame. That can only lead to sadness, which (as Harry would never fail to point out) would lead to less productivity. Or indeed, less moral development.

[@fissionphoenix4995]

Bowl revealing himself to be not only hilarious but also a dominant top explains even more of why I'm in love with him.

[@nocturne_interlude]

I've never seen Cleo on edge like that, it's quite worrying (but strangely enough it hasn't stopped her from being perfectly reasonable in all her arguments) I agree with FC that we should only pass a law on the right to have children if we live in a healthy environment and if we are able to raise a child in proper conditions, because between overpopulation and horrible family situations... Ugh I understand Harry pretty well here, but I admit he's a bit extreme. I've never gone that far in my reasoning despite the whole period when sex was really repulsive to me... But people can really get insufferable about it Anyway, we still lack a viable and extreme solution to overpopulation Maybe dating your smart frigde is actually a solution ?

[@universe1879]

Idk, can you keep calm when you’re stuck in London traffic and really want to piss?

[@nocturne_interlude]

@@universe1879 I couldn't say, I've never been to London in the first place... And I won't go to London, considering their opinion on the place, so...

[@universe1879]

@@nocturne_interlude I meant as in can you keep yourself calm when you cannot take a piss when you really wanted to

[@lengthorwidth]

This debate NEEDS a part 2.

[@seikyo8674]

I saw some overpopulation debate and I was like ugh again, until I saw it was from French Baguette Association and that Harry was in the icon, then I immediately clicked

[@limmortale2001]

Cleopheobs's design is great as always

[@ThaCataBoi]

The only difference between this and the other one is that this design is canon.

[@limmortale2001]

@@ThaCataBoi the more you know

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

I wholeheartedly agree with the “only allow mentally capable/decent people to have kids” thing. So many kids grow up in shit environments and on to lead worthless lives because their parents were unfit to take care of them, but unfortunately no one stops bad parents making more kids and creating mroe screwed-up adults who will in turn become bad parents who create screwed up adults. To give birth should not be a human right, it should be a privilege you earn by proving yourself worthy.

[@yatsubox4893]

I agree with this the most. Out of everything I saw in the video, I’d pick this one. Really honestly, it’d be a good piece of mind to know and have only decent people be able to have kids. It’d have resistance of course, but it’s something I would take rather than destroying all the continents or banning the naughties.... Making a gay culture would be interesting though ngl.

[@im4ft622]

It’s a shame that there’s such a strong cultural pressure to have kids. So many people have kids out of obligation instead of whether or not they really should Also, while I do (kind of) agree that there should be permit or test or whatever to have kids, who’s to say that it wouldn’t become corrupted eventually? What would the requirements be and who’s going to decide what they are? Slippery slope fallacy and all that. Could lead to eugenics (seems extreme but who knows)

[@glennianheroes1383]

oh, it would 100 percent lead to eugenics or something. giving the few control over the many ALWAYS gets abused somehow.

[@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502]

This is just eugenics. Giving anyone the power to decide this is just going to be- no scratch that, IS eugenics. You are advocating for eugenics.

[@charlespedersen5752]

yeah, look how many kids become homeless, or traumatized, or go to jail, because their parents are shit

[@MikeStudios08]

An interesting conversation. Too bad most of it was borderline Malthusian BS. One of the issues of reducing population is the devastation to production and supply chains it creates. What happens when you get rid of half (or more) of all miners? Farmers? Truck drivers? Factory workers? Production and transportation of product collapses. Quality of life degrades. We can see this in populations that have gone through the early stages of demographic collapse. Japan would have overtaken the US as the world's premiere super power by this point, but they stopped having kids. As such, there was a demographic collapse their economy is still staggering from, and the world is still under US hegemony, because the US maintained population growth and Japan did not. In addition, sex is productive, assuming you are looking to have children. This is because not only were many adults that are current producers once "crotch goblins" themselves, but when a parent has a child they are often driven to want to make a world that is better for their children, and is sustainable so that their children and grandchildren can have a better quality of life than they once had. If you have a population only working to keep things good as long as they are alive, well, you have what we currently have. A cold, uncaring, borderline cyberpunk dystopia. Because now most everyone isn't having children, populations are on the decline in most all 1st world countries, and large populations of people see no need to keep the world going once they are gone. When a population is reduced, you don't just reduce the population without also reducing productivity. This is why events of mass death among humans are called disasters. Because many humans dying in one place has farther reaching implications than we like to admit. When you lose a person, you don't just lose a number in a statistic, but everything that person creates. All their ideas. All their potential. After all, imagine this channel without any one of it's cast. Imagine if one day Bowl was just gone. Gringo. Harry. Fridge Dater. We would also, just on this channel, lose a significant amount of banter and input from those individuals. Reducing the population isn't going to help make things better. In fact, it's just going to be more of what we are currently going through in 1st world countries, because population reduction is currently happening in 1st world countries. We aren't making enough people to replace ourselves. And that isn't a symptom of our societies collapsing, it's one of the direct factors causing the collapse and degeneracy in modern society. The solution to our problem likely isn't less people. It's more. That, throw in a little bit of planet colonization, maybe reduce the population density of cities (the real reason for all that traffic. After all, country towns and properly planned suburbs have none of those issues), and things might start getting good again.

[@Saga_Anserum]

I think decrowding cities is a damn fantastic idea. and thank you for pointing out the Malthusian-ness of this, I totalyl forgot the word I was looking for but now that you've said it it makes a lot more sense. People are not exclusively bad, and so more people is not necessarily a bad thing. Honestly, if we funded more education in the places where the population is currently rising the most, I think we would be in a much better place.

[@iantaakalla8180]

While Malthusianist ideas are flawed, humans are creating a world of scarcity where nothing is actually going to be overflowing or even abundant so in this one case Malthusian ideas are relevant. Even if we become stable similar stuff will pop up elsewhere, so I doubt Malthusian problems will never show up.

[@MikeStudios08]

@@iantaakalla8180 That's not necessarily true. Resources only appear scarce for many people due to issues with methods of supply and delivery. In theory we should be at war for any number of resources right now, but for many things we end up creating a technology that allows us to access previously inaccessible supplies, or find new accessible ones. Oil and natural gas for instance, was supposed to be mostly depleted in natural reserves in the US. But then we discovered fracking and got good at it. And that's part of the reason we were paying almost $2.00 USD per gallon of gas during 2020, not just because a loss of demand, but also because there was a lot more supply going around. The other issue was delivery. We have, in recent years, seen prices shoot up for various supplies because of things besides just regular inflation from money printing. See war, issues with cargo container supplies, many processing plants going down either for maintenance or due to disasters such as fire, a shortage of truck drivers, and that one time someone couldn't drive a boat straight down a canal. Eliminating people solves none of those issues, it in fact makes them worse. You take multiple truck drivers, farmers, processing plant workers, planes, etc. Out of the economy through Malthusian ideals of depopulation and you wreck all those delicate supply chains. Workers nowadays don't just produce a few items for themselves either. Each individual is responsible for moving, making, or modifying resources for thousands if not tens of thousands of people. You take them out of the equation and those resources never get made, or if they do they go nowhere. And given the intertwined nature of our economy today, you can't eliminate anyone without a potential for major disaster. Say you just eliminate one programmer right? Seems like eliminating one programmer won't screw the supply chain. Well guess what, that programmer was the only person who knew how to write the program for a specific machine needed for the mass production of mayonnaise. Now, once all those machines break, or have a coding error, there will be no one who can replace the Mayo machines. Sure, eventually we might replace them (assuming the population is increasing), or the machine itself, but that can take months to years, and in the meantime, no one gets Mayo, which means every product that uses Mayo now also has to go without, eliminating them from the shelves as well. Malthusian ideas create a dangerous cascading effect when put into practice. Because the economy that feeds us all is a delicate machine that no human can singlehandedly come to a full comprehension of. And without that economy to harvest the resources, no matter how "plentiful" they might be, we might as well not have them. Sure, Earth by itself may not always have enough resources for all of humanity. That's the importance of space travel, and farther developing our abilities to harvest and reuse resources. But we need a lot of people to accomplish that, as a task like space travel requires alot of specialists with alot of knowledge in their field. But these people won't be able to exist if some nutter comes along and eliminates large portions of the population because they either don't like humans, or don't understand the basics of how supply chains work. They will be instead struggling to survive in a worst case scenario, or in a best case scenario they will have to instead work in one of the needed jobs to make sure humanity doesn't fall apart. Eliminating people doesn't solve our resource crisis. It directly perpetuates it as the minds and abilities required to access that resource are eliminated in a cruel act perpetuated by someone with a child's shoe size for an IQ. Germany and the Nazis tried murder and eugenics when trying to win WWII. The result? They lost as they either murdered much of their population, or saw them flee. The Americans and Russians who took the refugees in? Well now they both have a few thousand small suns they can drop on anyone they find displeasing.

[@isg4]

Everyone arguing about sex while Phoebe is about to piss herself is hilarious Also 2:36 someone set a reminder for 2028

[@skycat1350]

Okay

[@skycat1350]

Why did typing "oki" give me the 👹 emoji?

[@isg4]

@@skycat1350 your autocorrect knows something

[@lred1383]

@@skycat1350 getting autocorrected to oni, Japanese demons

[@aychill7357]

@@lred1383 Demons that may have a piss fetish. Probably.

[@peoplesoft2784]

I’d like to point out to Harry that happier people are more productive…

[@forkgodsdescendant2503]

that’s a new video right there

[@TheAnalyst_]

no productive people are happier people goofy

[@hinatakillx3709]

Me: reads title and sees Harry and bowl as the picture of the video This is gonna be the best video on this channel by far

[@hythunza1811]

Frankly, I disagree with everyone here on the overpopulation stance. It's not about the kids, it is the education of the people, as well as the willingness to have everyone work together. Every parent doesn't want their kid to suffer, save for a very scant few who were taught wrong by society and their own parents. This is a very apparent situation that you need to look no further than South America or Africa. Illegal to abort outright, in some places even with the inclusion of forced insemination. Children are treated as resources and less people. Meanwhile, in all other parts of the world, we generally give somewhat of a damn. Giving more of a damn about resource stability is better than wanting an entire village of children; if this was taught than the population would stagnate as expected as everything on earth would be used properly.

[@Saga_Anserum]

yes! the main issues I see aren't overpopulation, but cities often growing "too big" (in my opinion), poorly designed living spaces and cities, and a lot of emphasis on sex in society* *I disagree with Harry on many points, but if people not given the resources to succeed see something that can get general approval from those around them, they'll do it and they will not always be smart about it. this will lead to children born in unfortunate circumstances. also older values put a lot of your worth on your children (Republican Motherhood, for instance) as for food, it's pretty simple. just eat bugs. we already eat around 2 lb per person a year in the us

[@hythunza1811]

@@Saga_Anserum Good stuff on a lot of that except the bug thing. Eat like a French person, not like the slander around them trying to make it sound like bugs are the next best thing. Most of Africa and other similarly poor countries do this more than not.

[@slimebunny5700]

You have to take into account how children are also used for labor in poorer areas such as Africa, slavery is at an all time high there and kids are very useful in that regard. It's easy money and you get someone who can work for you, we have to not only educate but actively improve the financial situation and crack down on these issues so it can no longer be exploited.

[@MeboDotExe]

harry just casually dropping that he supports eugenics has to be one of the wildest things ive ever seen

[@AedriausOlive]

my favorite part of this is everyone ignoring Phoebe's cries for help.

[@worldweaver2691]

mine is the "if you will open your mouth to spot nonsense, then open wide because I will pee in it."

[@protoney8122]

- What the fuck are you doing in London? - I'm trying to leave! That's a great start

[@mr_saturn19]

10:37 The only time I've ever laughed out loud during a video, Jesus Christ. I fucking love bowl.

[@fluffytowels1145]

I understand horny people can be really annoying, but come on, Harry.

[@ИгошинНикита]

"Stalin and Hitler sure tried..." "What?" "...nothing." I love Bowl. I love Faux. I love Cleo and Harry (and other characters that drop by). I love this channel and it's content. It's humouros, entertaining and (most of the time) informative. Or at least peaks your curiosities. Never change, FBI. Never change, Bowl, ya wonderful Britt.

[@Wolf_TheLoneOne]

Feels weird to have Bowl being the "Good guy". I'm so used to his bullshittery as a mean of annoying others that seeing him do it while defending a reasonable argument is... Odd, to say the least.

[@botpenn4672]

harry's repetitions on how productivity and societal impact are what make a successful person reminded me of ultrakill for those who aren't aware, the third secret level of ultrakill is a dating sim parody, which quickly escalates into a relatively straight-faced debate; someone deeply troubled by their futile existence meets someone who sees the power and agency that comes with that existence i think ultrakill's subtle, recurring themes of 'optimistic nihilism' and the pursuit of happiness would be as enlightening to harry as it was to me

[@jeanluca2002]

If people could be concepts incarnate, Harry is Eficiency.

[@Ilias2]

It is Rimworld.

[@iceaura3938]

FC: Logic Bowl: Bowl Gringo: Morality Goblin: Hedonism

[@joaquincasascortes624]

Nothing better than watching a 30 min FBI debate while doing homework?

[@janLilin]

It has been 30 seconds and Bowl has already made me laugh to an extent I never thought possible. Update: 2 minutes and my stomach hurts

[@kiwenmanisuno]

The only places where overpopulation is actually a problem are India and China. Half of China's population lives in the coast and two thirds of Indians live in the countryside, so even they don't have that big of a problem (for now)

[@danymend5797]

The overpopulation problem is more of a African problem right now. Africa population is growing at a rapide rate, Europe population, China and Japan population is declining and its really bad for the economy.

[@kiwenmanisuno]

@@danymend5797 As a European, I can confirm that underpopulation is a big fucking problem here There's more young people than old people, so less can actually work

[@abhishekdasgupta9239]

@@kiwenmanisuno As an Indian, overpopulation became a problem in modern India because India always had a large population since ancient times, same holds true for China. Well Asia in general was always more dense than Europe, short answer being rice and more fertile lands.

[@kiwenmanisuno]

@@abhishekdasgupta9239 Aye. Rich and old Indians should move to other countries because India is actually extremely overpopulated

[@abhishekdasgupta9239]

@@kiwenmanisuno The rich sure love moving out the moment they land in a resident visa.

[@SomeIceGuy]

19:42 all life is meaningless, Harry. The people that realize that often die before they can spread their reasons why. Then there’s the people that just want to “live”. They’re not extremely successful, but they’re happy. Things like sex, drugs, cigarettes, etc don’t make people happy, it only prolongs how long they can last before they can actually do something that makes them happy AND makes them a functioning member of society. Often times this fails, usually with drugs or cigarettes, but some people recover and then get back on their feet.

[@adrianhenriquerochalima9546]

Not gonna lie, bowl do got a point here.

[@leirbag1595]

Honestly, there is no ethical way to fully remove overpopulation, nor is there any surefire way to decrease birth rates either. We will end up like any species who overpopulate. Resources will run out and we will go through a crisis, and increase in numbers again once things have stabilised. It won't be pretty and I am certainly not looking forward to it, nor am I under the illusion I will deal with it better than anyone else, but going back a little might help stop humanity's systemic destruction of every existing ecosystem. After all, if we are forced back technologically, what's to say we can easily recover this lost knowledge after a few generations of struggling to survive? The easily accessable resources that made the industrial revolution possible do no longer exist, and current technology is way too complex for its usage to be possible without continuous and quite specific education. We'll be forced into a slower progress, which while I believe Harry would hate the idea, might be better for us as a whole. Also, nice to see that Bowl is pretty reasonable when he's not doing a bit. Really got Harry on the backfoot there.

[@ZappoNinja]

You probably won’t have to deal with overpopulation btw. Your potential kids? They will.

[@aerodynamicaviation2659]

No because average amount of children born has gone way down overpopulation won’t be a threat. Also as technology becomes better everyday we will be able to use more parts of the world that were previously impractical to build housing on. An example of this is Australia, currently 94% of citizens live on the coast but with advanced digging equipment becoming more accessible and efficient we will be able to live in arid middle Australia off the underwater springs such as the great Artesian basin. The reason population has boomed so greatly through the 1900’s is due to new soil fertilisation methods and the average person having 12-15 Kids. The birth rates and amount of food has evened out so we won’t have another population spike until another revolution is made in the food cultivation industry. This is only important ignoring the almost guaranteed path humanity will take becoming interstellar and thus having more room on other planets. Over population is not a threat and people who view it as being one watch way too much sci fi and never actually research the topic.

[@johnnottellingyou2402]

ok in all honesty though i highly doubt that the world will go through a population crisis in fact in most 1st world countries there aren't enough people to replace previous generations meaning that the world will soon experience a shrink in population especially in china where there are 30 men for every one woman

[@leirbag1595]

@@aerodynamicaviation2659 Those solutions are still only temporary. It's moving the goalpost. Those underwater springs will dry up like crazy if suddenly they have to supply civilisation. At *some* point we're going to run out of space completely and then we're back to square one.

[@leirbag1595]

@@ZappoNinja You might be right, might be not. Climate change is already making things extremely chaotic all around, especially in countries close to the equator. I would not be surprised to see a catastrophic, global exodus because of the rising of sea levels, and hotter areas becoming unable to sustain human life, all in our lifetime.

[@donovangodman27]

While I normally refrain from commenting, there was one point that was not brought up, that more developed nations trend toward lower birth rates, the trend is relatively consistent, especially when looking at how European birth rate changed along side the industrial revolution. the significant increase in standard of living and innovation regarding medical knowledge, people had less kids as child mortality decreased, so I personally believe the best solution is to improve the quality of life across the world, and have this trend play out across the world where people are less incentivized to have large amounts of children but that's just my two-cents on the issue. P.S. Great video as always, I love how they usually get me thinking on ideas I have about the world, keep up the great work.

[@rougenarwhal8378]

somehow harry's least horrific take comes from the episode on *overpopulation* color me surprised

[@broken_umbreon6259]

I dont know why but i love how bowl has a more "serious" tone in this one. I like that very much and didnt expect that from him :o

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

He is also quite serious on "Art vs Modern 'Art'". You should watch it!

[@twisting_badger]

Love how bowl and harry are yin and yang, the 2 sides of a coin, and have completely different ideas and personalities. If harry agrees with something, bowl will always disagree, and vice versa. Such the duality of man.

[@JasperLane]

Probably one of the most entertaining videos even if I pretty much disagreed with everyone lol.

[@worldweaver2691]

same

[@joshuaculler717]

The one thing I can't agree with either you or Harry on is the "love is an illusion" thing. Yes, the spark will fade, but thats why love isn't always just a spark, its an active choice, as humans we are social creatures, we crave companionship. Many people believe that love is always this intense feeling, but it's not, you are CHOOSING to spend time, and the rest of your life with someone, the spark is just what gets it started. But after watching the rest of the video, I genuinely can't choose between siding with Bowl or Harry, both of them bring up very good points when it comes to sex But yes I like Bowl's suggestion on overpopulation, if we made abortion a competitive sport it would be highly empowering to women all over the globe.

[@Saga_Anserum]

Yeah, this ties into that three-types-of-love thing, which is pretty verifiably real.

[@umbralbushido8636]

Harry is the best ace rep

[@natalienatz1903]

Harry: sex isn't productive!! Sex workers: *I don't think so*

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

We never brought up that point because unless you want to say that the entire world should become a sex worker, his argument that people have mo business having sex still stands.

[@randombrit4504]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence But what if-

[@nulliusinverba7732]

Gotta say, as long as there is a supply and demand, anything can become a profession. As a need, even if it's not primary, there is always a place for sex workers. As long as the primary instincts of humans exist, we will have the demand for it, even if there are replacements or more efficient options. Because it's not just the product that we desire for our survival and propagation, it's the byproducts that reward us due to our biological functions. Even if we can become transhuman and offsource the process to make it more efficient, it requires the development of a new industry for what comes naturally to us. It is the equivalent of getting formula instead of breastfeeding and we are creating a solution for what was not a problem in the first place. The by product of this would be that we no longer need sex, and it would be a non option since it would be a need that doesn't need fulfilling and a desire that does not exist to tempt anyone.

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

@@nulliusinverba7732 All of this is irrelevant because the argument isn’t about whether sex workers have valid careers or not. The facts are that almost no one is a sex worker and unless you are so the argument is completely irrelevant.

[@spyrosk.1881]

Weird that nobody even mentioned enhancing education at schools (concerning sex ed and issues relevant to it) and enforcing contraception for both women and men. That would kind of help with overpopulation, and physical contact could still be a thing.

[@Saga_Anserum]

Agree. Another, related, potential solution would be to fund education in the areas currently experiencing the biggest relative growth in population.

[@jonathancangelosi2439]

Bowl’s always been mostly comic relief, but he really took the gloves off in this one. He was making some good points.

[@betin731]

What Harry doesn't realise is that we never intentionally do anything, at all, for *any reason other than pleasure. EVER.* Why are you making dinner? To reduce your hunger. So, you are *Reducing displeasure.* Why are you putting on your slippers? To make your feet warmer. *Pleasure.* Why are you brushing your teeth? Because otherwise your teeth would feel weird. *Reducing displeasure.* Why are you going for a run? Runner's high. *Pleasure.* Why are you playing a video game? *Pleasure.* Why are you donating to charity? Because helping others makes you feel happy. *Pleasure.* Some activities have many different chains of reasons, but they all end with "to increase net pleasure" anyway. For example: Why are you going to work? - To make money > money to increase financial security > security reduces stress > *to prevent displeasure* - To make money > money to spend on entertainment > *to increase pleasure* - Because of societal pressure > betraying societal pressure would make me uncomfortable > *to prevent displeasure* - Because I am sentenced to community service > I will be punished if I don't show up > *to prevent displeasure* - Because my work is beneficial to society > I feel guilty if I don't show up > *to prevent displeasure* - Because my work is beneficial to society > I feel happy that I am helping others > *to increase pleasure* Harry's argument that pleasure is a distraction from productivity is entirely nonsensical. Productivity is nothing outside of simply being a means to increase net pleasure-- for yourself or for society. In a world where everyone is 100% productive and takes no time off for pleasure, what would they be working for? What is the point in furthering society, if none of the participants can enjoy the fruits of their labor?

[@forkgodsdescendant2503]

very good points, that’s what I’ve been thinking of but couldn’t quite put it together in a way that flows well.

[@Saga_Anserum]

agree! most people won't be remembered in a few generations anyways, so 'productivity' and 'making a mark on the world' are not things most of us can achieve.

[@leirbag1595]

We are basically hard-wired to feel satisfaction from doing things that we perceive as useful or pleasurable. For someone who is such a staunch advocate of reaching humanity's full potential, I feel like Harry often seems to forget the fundamentals that got us where we are and keep us going. Pleasure rewards our efforts. It rewards us feeding ourselves, it rewards us keeping ourselves and others safe, and there is an obvious reason for why sex is enjoyable (to most). Of course it can go haywire. Anything in excess is bad. However, dismissing such a fundamental part of our nature is foolish at best.

[@cliclador140]

Been waiting all week.

[@outsider357]

*reads title* “I’ve been looking forward to this!”

[@charlespedersen5752]

my issue with harry is that he assumes that humans are capable of constant productivity. we are not, as I'm sure many of you know. to be alive is to be imperfect. we need to take breaks so that we can continue to function. i know that even if i can get the motivation to plug away at an essay for 6 hours straight it will not be as good when compared to if I worked for 45 mins and took a 15 min break to stretch, eat, reset a bit. i worked for less time and had a better result. TL;DR: it isn't a zero-sum game. pleasure and happiness increases productivity

[@Saga_Anserum]

Yeah, I never want to have sex myself and I'm still pretty much the least productive person I know lmao There's a method - idk how to spell it, Pomodore maybe - where you work for twenty minutes, break for five. The reason why it's known at all is because it's gotta be effective at improving productivity on some basic level.

[@Kelban4lol]

Basically, we get to see more of Bowl getting serious

[@bushboi6942]

Depends where you really are in London… That is if you’re gonna get stabbed or not. Over 50% looks like a third world country

[@megaclpb2623]

31:27 "All I meant to say was that creating artificial wombs and banning sex kind of makes it pointless to have two sexes." [Everyone liked that]

[@arcadium3459]

"Stop acting like spending fifteen minutes destroying a man's anus will ruin your career." This is a line I both never expected and wouldn't put it past Bowl to say. That was out there, even for a man of his ilk. EDIT: I just realized that Harry and Bowl's argument can be boiled down to all work vs. all play.

[@charlestetreault739]

"However, people fail to recognize their mediocrity because they are having a good time doing nothing significant." Okay, but what even counts as significant? Does spending time online arguing about it? Does watching these videos count? I think we can know we are mediocre even if we do nothing significant, whatever that means.

[@BlindBosnian]

Even the activities you've mentioned are more empowering and beneficial than sex. You learn new thing, strengthen your rhetoric, learn to deal with arguments and counterarguments, improve your logic etc. You get nothing from sex other than meaningless pleasure and drug-induced connection with your partner.

[@charlestetreault739]

@@BlindBosnian Fair, I guess there is much to credit with these and other videos in the variety of means of mental stimulation (which doesn't negatively impact you like pornography, drugs, arguably sex itself). I disagree that nothing good is gained from sex, though. What exactly separates sexual pleasure from other pleasure? Pleasure isn't inherently bad, and though it can come into conflict with productivity, it can also work towards motivating productivity. It's a matter of balancing pleasure and productivity, I see no reason why sex can't be a part of that. Just because there are other means doesn't mean it's invalid. In addition, what if someone legitimately wants to raise a child and has the means of doing so? Granted, that may be a very small amount of people, and they could go for artificial insemination, but should they not be free to choose the natural means? The connection between lovers can be comparable to drugs, but really there is need of much more research on relationships and neuroscience before the conclusion that sex=drugs can properly be made.

[@galarstar052]

@@BlindBosnian i mean, what's the ultimate purpose of learning logic and debating skills anyway? what benefit does that give you?

[@BlindBosnian]

@@charlestetreault739 All of the issues you mention have already been addressed in this and Love is Toxic videos. I will mention, however, that other than causing addiction, inhibiting mental capabilities and being a waste of time, there are other issues with sex such as hygiene, health, ethics and many others, which makes it inconvenient at best and hazardous at worst.

[@BlindBosnian]

@@galarstar052 Improving your mental capabilities has numerous practical benefits. But in the very least, a brain is like a muscle, thriving in usage and rotting in negligence. "Use it or lose it", as they say. Don't use it long enough and you start making questions like "What's the point of learning logic?" Not to mention that developing mental capabilities is the very reason why humans became as advanced and civilized as they are. They certainly didn't become such by fucking around all day.

[@tigerlover2853]

Slightly concerning that you guys went to killing first, I would’ve just made it so that everyone can only have 2 children maximum. I’d say 1, but you all remember what happened when China tried that. But, I fully approve of Harry’s idea, people can’t use “virgin” as an insult if everyone is one.

[@gavinwilson5324]

China raised their maximum number of children, and it didn't solve anything. It still causes the same things that their one-child policy caused. Limiting the number of children a person can have is only a bad thing. Also, overpopulation isn't an issue, humanity's population and growth are sustainable (as long as we can fix climate change).

[@aduck5639]

@@gavinwilson5324 China's failed because China(ironically for a so-called-communist country) has no safety net and a sexist culture. Parents have to be supported by their children so they killed female children to make sure their one child was most primed to support them later. Expanding to a two child policy, after the hypercompetitive culture of the one child policy had already developed, was doomed to fail. In countries with social security systems and universal healthcare, even a one-child policy is much more likely to succeed. A two child policy is not likely to have any significant impact on the relative distribution of gender/sex as long as parents aren't required to rely on their children.

[@gavinwilson5324]

@@aduck5639 Guess what lots of countries don't have. Social security and universal healthcare. Even if a country has those, laws can't stop people from having kids, and those least able to handle the consequences will suffer them the most, just like in China. It doesn't matter what number you set the limit at; if it's remotely reasonable for it to be exceeded, it will cause problems.

[@tigerlover2853]

@@gavinwilson5324 Fixing climate change isn’t gonna happen, we have seven years left and the governments of the world show no sign of turning pledges into actions any time soon, humanity is screwed.

[@gavinwilson5324]

@@tigerlover2853 The change isn't obvious, but we are getting there. That's why our predicted deadline keeps getting pushed further and further back. We ARE fixing it, it's just really easy to fixate on all the bad news. We should still avoid complacency, though, and keep pushing for change until we're fully sustainable.

[@TH-tf9ke]

"One still needs to waste time finding a parter." Oh, I see Harry's problem now.

[@the_nerd_showtv5562]

Harry Is the Big Brother of 1984... That's a good villain backstory

[@imallsoupedup]

1:16 Bowl headbanging is a mood

[@Yng_Roshi]

I love how Cleo casually said she has pee when Harry and Bowl are arguing lol 🤣

[@yatsubox4893]

Lol poor Cleo xD

[@robertallan8035]

Casually at fosrts

[@Joseph_Henshaw]

I think that something like sex or any other "addictive" activity or substance is fine, but it only become a problem once you let it control you and prevent you from accomplishing whatever you consider productive. I'd also like to point out that Harry likes to cook for himself and expresses that. If he truly thought that short term enjoyable things or activities were useless and a waste of time, then why not just eat grain pills and nutrient paste?

[@marceloflausinofilho5324]

well, you can consume food in a productive manner, in the sense that you can examine and savour it, understand the foods taste at a deeper level

[@Saga_Anserum]

@@marceloflausinofilho5324 what's the goal behind that? what big accomplishment or mark on society does that leave? unless you're someone like Gordon Ramsey, there isn't, except for pleasure.

[@PaleRaida13]

this is the sit-com I wish was on TV xD

[@daifuku1948]

Didn't Steven King write some of his works so heavily drugged up that he doesn't even remember writing some of them?

[@Bropower125Games]

I would absolutely love to get a cooking show with Harry, dude makes some interesting food

[@mdgw4713]

both harry and and bowl have like the best argument ive seen i love the points that they make

[@BlindBosnian]

5:11 This is why Harry's my favourite FBI member. I wish more people were as enlightened as him.

[@Ubersupersloth]

21:40 Dang…never thought I’d agree with Bowl in one of these videos.

[@GanyuSimpingDegenerate]

The best way to stop the population from growing is to mandate everyone play League of Legends. No one will ever be able to reproduce again.

[@antilogicalsociopath]

Hello! I’m a human geographist and I’d just like to say that we aren’t facing Overpopulation right now. Without getting too complicated, the UK and the US are stage 4 countries. This means that our populations aren’t increasing much every year, and our population is healthy. Many Stage 2, and 3 countries need to go through the rest of the demographic transition model (We have no Stage 1 countries left), and they are the only ones facing overpopulation. More developed places like Copenhagen, Denmark are actually needing more people as they are a stage 5 country and need to fall back into stage 4. (In fact, places like Denmark try to advertise sex to younger generations. Just look up “Do it for Denmark). Our population is more likely to cutoff at 12-15 billion people, so what about we keep this misinformation to a low.

[@i_will_not_elaborate]

As someone who grew up with purity culture, I can tell ya'll right now that banning s3x not only does not work but it actually makes things worse. I know it's technically called abstinence (refraining from s3x until marriage) but the same principle applies. I won't get into it because I'm trying to keep my comments short (I always make long comments on these videos and I apologize for that) but basically here in conservative America, people are simultaneously so obsessed and shameful for s3x it's ridiculous; it even ruined the lives of some of my friends and family members. I do agree that people think that having s3x is supposed a must and you're a loser if you don't partake is stupid but the other solution is just as bad, if not worse. People need to understand that you can have a balance; if you need to scratch that itch, then do it and if don't want s3x then society shouldn't shame you for it.

[@iantaakalla8180]

There is also an anime that sorts of explores the banning of sex entirely.

[@Saga_Anserum]

exactly! I mean, I have similar personal feelings about sex as Harry seems to, but his argument was... pretty awful. The people who will be having sex and children will then be people with less impulse control, less care about the law, and therefore worse parents. We really don't need that. There's other arguments too but I should keep this comment short.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Also, it’s directly shown that talking about sex and sexuality as a multi-faceted thing actually help people not have as much sex, maybe because it removes the mystique, maybe because it helps people plan for when they want to have sex and where they want to have sex with. Certainly, sex culture is not at a great place, but that’s because we are still vaguely cagey about sex.

[@jeremiahbristow7609]

I mean...my parents would have rightfully failed to ever have children under FC's system, and I am completely okay with that.

[@AlissahKat]

I would argue that having sex CAN actually build useful skills. Being “succesfull” in bed requires communication. Explaining your own likes and dislikes, and being a good listener, etc. This stuff becomes even more important when it comes to things like BDSM, where clearly articulating your needs and limits is essentially a *requirement*. Those are skills that definitely benefit your professional life. It’s not unheard of for succesful men to visit dungeons to submit to a professional domme. This is something that requires self reflection, and can lead to self improvement too, as the social skills used to negotiate with a dominatrix, can be one and the same as when negotiating a bussiness deal for example. Being so open about everything builds confidence, too. Being confident enough to clearly state what you want is a very important skill in my opinion. There’s plenty of science about sex improving focus and productivity too, obviously. But I’m pretty sure that that’s common knowledge.

[@Saga_Anserum]

Good point! That last point was brought up in the vid, but the argument against it was that 'you can argue the same things about drugs.' But you can also argue that about medicine, sooo

[@sea2656]

Wonderfull news! We know what to do know boys

[@leirbag1595]

13:52 That was a fucking trip of a segment lmao

[@toytruffle]

the argument of: ban sex whatever the fuck bowl is up to, i don't even know anymore having stricter laws on children & more sex ed

[@SproutiusShrubiusthe16th]

America deciding what next terrible decision to make:

[@yatsubox4893]

Oh no

[@NyanMango]

Surprised nobody brought up the point that, according to many studies and the official UN predictions, the rate of population growth is expected to decline almost everywhere. They predict we won't hit 9 billion until 2040 (longer than it took to hit 8 billion!), and even ignoring that, population decline is a seriously discussed problem in many first world countries with birth control (and as birth control use and sexual education increases, population growth slows down at a tremendous rate). Seems like overpopulation might be an issue that solves itself with enough time - I'm more worried about how we might mismanage our resources before we reach that point.

[@rodmax3911]

FC: "Personally, I do not have any intention to sacrifice everybody's quality of life so that we can have a bunch more people" Also FC: "Yeah let's nuke those fu

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

There is no contradiction. A nuclear disaster would harden the quality of life in a way that would force them to try harder and thus eventually improve everyone’s quality of life. Making people eat less and less so we can feed more people would have the opposite effect.

[@frankhorriganfromfallout2]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence wouldn’t nuclear fallout destroy the earth?

[@atomicgummygod9232]

Not necessarily. Fallout doesn’t travel too far, only 15-30 km. If you’re precise about it, hit major population centers like India, China, and the US, (as well as major cities specifically, like new york, rio de Janeiro, london, etc, it shouldn’t be too difficult to get below that 3-4 billion threshold.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence This is nonsense. Your "eventually" would never be a thing, since before we would achieve the same level of civilization, we would have the same issues and conflicts that we have now, except that we would have to add issues caused by nuclear devastation to the list.

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

@@LuzikArbuzik77 What issues and conflicts we have now are you talking about?

[@Monunga]

13:45 Bowl getting revenge for the "Darth Vader wears a cape. You lose." argument way back when.