Overrated vs Underrated Tenors

#opera #classicalmusic #classicalsinging #song #music #overrated
#underrated #tenor
Luciano Pavarotti (Overrated): • Puccini: Turandot, Act...
Mario Del Monaco (Underrated): • Mario del Monaco Sings...
Plácido Domingo (Overrated): • Placido Domingo - Da q...
Lauritz Melchior (Underrated): • Siegmund heiss´ ich (D...
Jonas Kaufmann (Overrated): • Jonas Kaufmann - Nessu...
Giancarlo Monsalve (Underrated): • Trovatore C# Terzetto:...
Juan Diego Florez (Overrated): • La fille du régiment -...
Michael Spyres (Underrated): • Michael Spyres sings M...
Franco Corelli (Rated where he should be despite the pattern): • Franco Corelli sings T...
Benjamino Gigli (Overrated): • Beniamino Gigli sings ...
Andrea Bocelli (Underrated “Popera” Tenor): • Andrea Bocelli - Le tu...
Siegfried Jerusalem (Overrated): • "Notung! Notung! Neidl...
Tito Schipia (Underrated): • Tito Schipa sings Una ...
Klaus Florian Vogt (Overrated): • Klaus Florian Vogt; "I...
Ramón Vinay (Underrated though he was likely a baritone): • Ramon Vinay Birgit Nil...

[@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657]

Mario Del Monaco, Tito Schipa, Lauritz Melchior, Franco Corelli, Beniamino Gigli and Ramon Vinay were not underestimated at all, they were extremely famous in their times

[@bradycall1889]

Okay fair

[@bradycall1889]

But I did say that Gigli was overrated lol. And I said Franco Corelli was rated where he should be :)

[@user-ew5vl2pl2x]

@@bradycall1889 , previously I also thought that Gigli was overrated, but now I don’t think so. Despite his mannerisms and vulgar sighs, there are many recordings where Gigli gives the greatest artistic effect and sends shivers down my spine. For example, duets with De Luca: Pearlfinsher duet, Solenne in quest'ora (La Forza del Destino) duet and so on. Also, I like the Сanio aria most of all performed by Gigli.

[@AlainArvelo]

@@user-ew5vl2pl2x you must view the singers in the era they come from! Those mannerisms and sighs are hallmarks of many radio era singers.

[@sabbath7081]

Franco Corelli is in a class all his own, anytime I hear him and see him at the same time in a recording his facial expressions the sound of his voice the position of the Adam's apple his gestures I just don't breathe the whole time, and it's not just Goosebumps it's a full emotional reaction.

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah you would guess a baritone with his Adam's apple size and how it looks on him lol.

[@KajiVocals]

I wouldn’t really call any of these men underrated. I would say Boccelli is overrated.

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah Bocelli used to have good technique imo but got worse as he got older. He isn’t a true opera singer because he’s not loud enough.

[@KajiVocals]

@@bradycall1889 Volume is not what makes someone an opera singer though. Bocelli’s legato always suffered.

[@bradycall1889]

@@KajiVocals 👍

[@deborahmetzger1535]

I agree

[@hychen4018]

Oh totally agree. Boccelli is overrated. and he is getting worse as he age. Sigh...

[@craigwalters]

I don't buy into this 'over-rated/under-rated' stuff. It all depends on who you are talking too. Most of my friends absolutely LOVE Mario del Monaco. They don't under-rate him at all. And it is the same for most of the singers on your list

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Mario del Monaco is so great that even if you say he's God, you're _still_ underrating him.

[@user20867]

blasphemy@@ColonelFredPuntridge

[@MichaelMayerVocalWisdom]

You didn't actually let Siegfried Jerusalem sing. That was Mime singing, a character tenor. Jerusalem was the role Siegfried pulling the rope.

[@bradycall1889]

Okay my apologies for using an improper clip of him. If he has good Wagnerian singer clips please let me know :) (and I'll try to check my spam)

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Jerusalem was vocally weak and inconsistent. The character tenor here is Heinz Zednik, a super-duper-genius.

[@sabbath7081]

Andrea Bocelli is definitely a pop tenor.

[@bradycall1889]

He's a good singer but he's not a true opera singer

[@sabbath7081]

@@bradycall1889 absolutely, he has a wonderful voice but it's not meant for an open Opera house.

[@IRosamelia]

AAAHHHHHH I hate this list! None of those singers are under nor overrated; they are all top notch, just some more famous than others. The label "overrated" should go to "singers" like Jennifer López, Fred Durst, Pitbull or Shakira

[@bradycall1889]

Fair enough on the way you described the singers in this specific video. I respectfully disagree on Shakira because she's quite good. She may have some flaws in her technique when you listen closely enough, and admittedly she's not really my cup of tea, but she has lots of talent and it's understandable why she's so popular. I think Pitbull is decent, maybe a tad overrated, but not by that much and I to some extent I kind of get why he's so popular (I mean not anymore but still). Haven't heard enough of Jennifer López nor Fred Durst to neither agree nor disagree with you.

[@IRosamelia]

@@bradycall1889 I can almost hear Pav, Caruso and Corelli rolling in their graves at your assertion that, as singers, Pav is overrated yet Shakira isn't. As she herself said unironically in the Jimmy Fallon show, Shakira wasn't even accepted into her high school choir. The only reason why she doesn't sound awful to your blissfully unaware ears is called the magic of technology a.k.a. auto tune. Same as J.Lo... it's a whole different thing if you like them as pop artists, that's understandable. They're pretty and do teh sexy dance 😅

[@bradycall1889]

@@IRosamelia But I did say Corelli is rated where he should be by most experts. Most experts consider him one of the greatest tenors and I agree. Also, I have praised Pavarotti on my channel before. Lol you say they're "rolling in their graves" 😂😂😂😂

[@martinrogan6641]

Well these are two different genres, incomparable, for pop it is more about stage, effects, appearance and sadly in the recent time sexualising everything. Opera is art of voice and acting and deep emotional and physical engagement with the music.

[@IRosamelia]

@@martinrogan6641 Martin, I have no problem with those guys calling themselves performers, but irks me to hear them called singers. A good singer is a good singer, not a good dresser, sex symbol nor twerker 😅

[@3Angela]

Oh dear. What about Fritz Wonderlich, one of the best?

[@bradycall1889]

Interesting! I should listen to him some time.

[@Tagoreapoet777]

Bjorling, the most underrated of all…

[@KajiVocals]

Hardly underrated. Gets mentioned all the time.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Another underrated tenor: Torsten Ralf

[@marksmith3947]

Set Svanholm is underrated

[@bradycall1889]

@@marksmith3947 Yeah I like Set Svanholm and he's also underrated.

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

Not, underrated at all. Bjorling fans are often quite vocal about his talents, he is often brought into a discussions where he was not the topic of discussion, just like you did now.

[@ariasemusicaslegendadas7657]

Pavarotti is not just an overrated singer, He managed to be an overrated and underrated singer, Pavarotti's recordings, which he sings in the correct repertoire, are less watched

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah he had underrated recordings. You’ve got a fair point.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

To sing well, you need to detach your brain from your singing so you can just sing in a natural way so that you don't get caught up in trying to hear yourself. Pav was great at that - his brain was very easy to detach.

[@EJDoesEverythingBetter]

I would disagree Corelli is ranked where he should be, I say he’s top 3 tenors of all time.

[@bradycall1889]

But he is ranked by most opera experts as one of the greatest. That's why he's rated as he should be.

[@valeriedavidson2785]

I have never rated Pavarotti. I do not understand why people made a fuss of him.

[@bradycall1889]

I think he's good, don't get me wrong. Not all of the singers I labelled as "overrated" on this channel are bad singers at all. The video is just describing people who are overhyped.

[@valeriedavidson2785]

@@bradycall1889 Yes, and I think Pavarotti is overhyped.

[@ey8767]

Well I also don't understand why Monaco was underrated.... He's literally a legend. One singer I think was underrated is Franco Bonisolli. He's a good tenor but he's called Il Pazzo (the mad one). I think he was busy showing off his HighCs so ignored any artistry to the point where he seemed to have gone mad. But in terms of vocals he was excellent. Also the issue with the Three Tenors is that the commercial practices have brought them fame and fortune. So people would think "Oh No there are other much better singers, and how come they are not so famous as the Three Tenors?" Hence the word "overrated". But they are all good tenors.

[@bradycall1889]

Okay fair.

[@bradycall1889]

I guess I exaggerated by saying that he's "underrated," some of his recordings are underrated.

[@ey8767]

@@bradycall1889 If you are talking about some specific recordings, I agree that Monaco was underrated in some performances, mostly lyric roles. He had such a huge voice that people only remember him as Otello while forget about his lyric roles. Here's a live recording of Monaco's Un ballo in maschera, which I really like kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3qZimZ3m8iKbKc Also Monaco as Duca in Rigoletto kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHXFY56emqaVZsU&pp=ygUPbW9uYWNvIGxhIGRvbm5h Well I might get lots of hate for saying this, but Monaco sounds weird if the role is too lyrical. For example, he was just weird in pourquoi me reveiller. Not the right voice for the song: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bauzdJinYrCZac0&pp=ygUcbW9uYWNvIHBvdXJxdW9pIG1lIHJldmVpbGxlcg%3D%3D Also lots of people love Monaco's baritone singing, but I think he's medicore in those baritone roles at most. He was struggling with the coloratura in Largo al Factutom and had difficuties in keeping up with the ochestration because his voice was too heavy. His Pagliacci Prologue was not very impressive either. As for Corelli, he's certainly not overrated nor underrated. He's a great tenor but because he's great, we always say he's fantastic while some of his roles are really just not very impressive. Corelli's voice was too distinct, with that kind of deep sorrow in it. He was great in those tragic roles that require big voices, such as Cavaradossi, Ramirez, Radames, or Andrea Chenier. His un di all'azzurro spazio was WOW!!!! I will never have enough of it. Another version I absolutely love comes from Monaco (as always lol). kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3LbkoKvfqZ8ibs&pp=ygUgY29yZWxsaSB1biBkaSBhbGwnYXp6dXJybyBzcGF6aW8%3D But while he was in those more lyric roles it's another story. Let's listen to his rendition of Duca's aria: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2PXhKB6eLKJqck&pp=ygUZY29yZWxsaSBsYSBkb25uYSBlIG1vYmlsZQ%3D%3D kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXyrdX16f9KYmMk&pp=ygUXY29yZWxsaSBxdWVzdGEgbyBxdWVsbGE%3D Duca should be a "comedy" character with a lighter voice and Corelli was just not right for the role. He was seriously struggling with the cadenza in Questa O Quella. Anyway I am glad that he never took the role of Duca, nor Alfredo. Otherwise it would be hilarious. Also Corelli's rendition of La Fleur que Tu m'avais Jetee (Don Jose's aria from Carmen): kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp3af4eNdrx5d68&pp=ygUmY29yZWxsaSAgTGEgRmxldXIgcXVlIFR1IG0nYXZhaXMgSmV0ZWU%3D Now let's listen to my bro Placido Domingo's rendition of the aria, and tell me how come Corelli is better than Domingo as Don Jose? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqqmmnWkhJaoqZY&pp=ygUQZG9taW5nbyBsYSBmbGV1cg%3D%3D Also Jon Vickers, a dramatic tenor with a huge voice, and yet he's much better in the role. Again I fail to understand why some people think Corelli is a better Don Jose than Jon Vickers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6WlYoiihaufpJY&pp=ygUUam9uIHZpY2tlcnMgbGEgZmxldXI%3D And unfortunately this is true for many other great singers. Another example would be di Stefano. He's great but I failed to understand why so many people consider his rendition of E Lucevan le Stelle as a textbook. His voice was not right for the role. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXqVi6p9eqmEhZo I am not even going to mention Corelli or Domingo's rendition (who were both spinto tenors), let's listen to Jose Carreras, another lyric tenor, singing the aria, and tell me how come Stefano was better than Carreras in this aria? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJLbeoaFhbuNpqs Well I just realized that I was ranting a lot again. What I want to say is that I appreciate your valuation for a specific performance or a role instead of a singer as a whole. It seems that people think if they are great, they are great in everything, which is not true.

[@bradycall1889]

@@ey8767 Yes he sang baritone roles such as Largo Al Factotum and those recordings became famous. I guess he did decent, but it would be more ideal if a true baritone sand those roles.

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

Bonisolli was certainly miles ahead Domingo, but he did lack a certain finesse, against other lyric spinto tenors, he also didn't have a lot of squillo. That is a problem I see a lot. A lot of lyric spinto tenors do not have the finesse of their older counterparts such Giacomo Lauri Volpi or Mario Filippeshi. Today also you will find Martin Meuhle, he is really one of the only decent tenors around, but as a lyric spinto he does lack that certain finesse of older singers. Still he is great, people should go and see him if they have a chance. Or Monslave that is listed here is another example of a lyric spinto tenor without much finesse. It is still a lyrical voice, there should be a bit of finesse.

[@RM-tc9pu]

For me, none equals Bjorling. Corelli and del Monaco had exciting voices, Schipa could be very elegant. Recent singers leave me cold.

[@marksmith3947]

I consider MdM overrated. He was very good but I wouldn't say he was one of the best tenors of all time. He was incredibly loud, and a good actor, but his voice was not especially beautiful. Regarding Pavarotti, he kept his voice in good condition, but I felt that in pursuit of money he sang repertoire which did not bring out the best results. For example I don't think his Nessun Dorma is very successful. Regarding Florez, I feel that the problem is that he has a small voice which is also very high. I don't find anything wrong with his technique or sound.

[@bradycall1889]

Interesting opinion. Yeah Pavarotti was a good interpreter of lyric tenor roles of course.

[@marksmith3947]

@@bradycall1889 For different voice categories I have two nominations for overrated bass or bass baritone which will raise some hackles: George London and Leonard Warren. They had different voices but my problem with both is the same - - I find their voices unnatural sounding. I don't think there's much argument that Warren had a very unusual vocal production. I can't even describe or understand how he sang. With London, while I agree he had a very loud voice, to my ear it doesn't have the free ringing quality of Hotter or Hines, to give two examples

[@bradycall1889]

@@marksmith3947 Well just a quick correction pal, Leonard Warren was a dramatic baritone.

[@leslieepstein4700]

I'm not quite certain how you are using the terms "overrated" and "underrated". In my book "Reflections from the Audience" I use the term "overrated" to mean tenors whose fame exceeds their merit as singers, even though they may otherwise be fine artists. Thus, I list my favorite tenors, Gigli, Bjorling, Corelli and Malchior. I think all four of them are justly revered as great tenors. My three choices for "overrated" are Martinelli, Tucker and especially these days, Pavarotti. The almost God-like devotion of some to Pavarotti astounds me, a veteran of hundreds of Corellii performances. For me Pavarotti couldn't come near Corelli. But, of course, this is a a very subjective issue. Thus I admit that my major criteria for judging the singing voice is the timbre of the voice and I don't particularly care for Pavarotti's timbre (ditto Martinelli and Tucker), while I find the timbre of my four favorites beautiful. Yes, I know I am comparing lyric and dramatic tenors together, but if your criteria is the basic sound of the voice that doesn't matter.

[@bradycall1889]

That's fair

[@RobynSmith-nk3qq]

Well speaking of timbre, my absolute favourite is Rolando Villazon! I note his absence from these endless " best of" lists . Not to worry though, it's all subjective really. His voice touches my heart and soul like no other. ❤

[@CristianIonita-nm6xb]

One question less related to the video itself: how do you include excerpts from performances without getting copyright strikes? Not that I want you to - of course not -, but I'd like to know what videos to choose so as not to get struck if I wanted to do something similar in the future.

[@bradycall1889]

youtube checks it

[@frb1808]

Schipa, Melchior, del Monaco, Vinay, and Spyres are not overrated. They're perhaps less known *today* (well, at least the first four, but Spyres is currently active and at the height of his powers), but they're well-regarded and highly respected among opera fans. Pavarotti meanwhile is great in singing lyric tenor stuff. Check out his "Ah, mes amis". It's unfortunate tho that he's more known for "Nessun dorma", which is something sung by the likes of del Monaco and Corelli. For me, Gigli isn't certainly overrated, tho.

[@clement2780]

bocelli compare with buble or groban or dion or houston

[@ChristovanRensburg]

I'm a pianist who loves opera but knows nothing about it or singing. But my good intuition when it comes to seeing through the mists which are 'career-building' and the input I've had from people whose opinions I respect tells me this list gets very close to nailing it.

[@ivansperanza]

Mario del Monaco underrated?…what?

[@bradycall1889]

Lol

[@martinrogan6641]

Yeah all mainstream singers are gonna be overrated because of more fame. In the end the world it is all about the buisiness at the top level, which is sad becuse then art doesn't reach its full potential.

[@arthurmorgan7557]

You can't overrate the best tenor in existence (Pavarotti).

[@bradycall1889]

Okay you're entitled to your own opinions.

[@violin3394]

Gigli overrated? Come on. At least explain yourself..

[@bradycall1889]

On my video in which I simply gave my opinion on Mario Del Monaco being my personal favorite tenor (called him the greatest) people were getting all upset at me for my opinion and were complaining that the real GOAT of all the tenors was Beniamino Gigli, and I cringed heavily at that idea. I guess I understand your logic, admittedly, because he did have very good technique and he was definitely a good singer.

[@violin3394]

@@bradycall1889 I always opposed the idea of calling someone "the greatest". Both of them were unmatched in different aspects, I adore Gigli for his incredible range of dynamics, colors and emotions, although sometimes I'm not a fan of his way of phrasing. Despite all this, I would never dare to call him the greatest.

[@violin3394]

@@bradycall1889 And also I forgot to say that their voices were completely different types, so it's not reasonable to even compare them.

[@bradycall1889]

@@violin3394 Alright fair enough

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

Schipa exemplifies a problem I have with some older tenors ,they are often seen through rose tinted glasses. We don't have full recordings of them, and people were not walking around checking every note that they sang, standards were more lax in certain areas in those days. Schipa traveled with a suitcase of transposed scores. Corelli sang much better high notes then Schipa with a dramatic voice. That being said, no I don't think it matters when it come to the enjoyment you get from singer, these details only matters if you are comparing tenors against each other. A tenor doesn't need high C notes, but as a leggero tenor, it is certainly more important then it is for the other tenor types. But Schipa had a very nice voice, I was just listening to him yesterday, I do enjoy him a lot, but people see him and some other older tenors through rose tinted glasses. I don't think Gigli is overrated he is really the only light lyric tenor that could somewhat competently sing some heavy repertoire. That makes him more versatile then Mario Del Monaco. If anything Gigli is underrated against other light lyric tenors such as Bjorling, Pavarotti and Di Stefano. Michael Syres is fine when he when he sticks to being a leggero, he is nowhere to close to baritenor as he claims. He is going down a very bad path there. He does seem to be getting a lot of PR, he does not seem underrated to me. Of course we always have to ask ourselves how many times can Nessun Dorma be butchered, with a microphone. I don't think anyone here is underrated (well perhaps only Ramon Vinay), if I think about underrated singers I would say Joseph Schmidt, he had an incredible voice but he died very young. My other choice would be Kurt Buam, people seemingly dislike his voice a lot of Callas fans also dislikes him because he challenged her, but he could actually sing very well.

[@bradycall1889]

Light lyric is a catch all term lol. It’s a term used to describe lyric tenors on the lighter and brighter side almost a leggero but not quite. But it’s not a legitimate fach. I just refer to them as lyric tenors, even full lyric tenors I just refer to them as lyric. But they do exist they just are catch all term.

[@bradycall1889]

But yes I agree that a tenor doesn’t need a high c to be a tenor. I think you need at least a Bb4.

[@KajiVocals]

@@bradycall1889Most of terms like that are not fäch. Leggero is no fäch, spinto is no fäch. All Italian.

[@deborahmetzger1535]

MY favorites Corelli Tucker and the great Jan Peerce

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah Corelli is insanely good. One of my favorite parts about Franco Corelli is that he sounded on Nessun Dorma from Turandot like he didn't have any strain or limitations on his voice (even though on occasion in other arias he did have his bad moments but all singers do) and he just sang effortlessly like that.

[@rosemaryallen2128]

The early tenors can make you weep with emotion. Modern tenors just make you weep. (But not as hard as the sopranos can!)

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah modern male opera singers may be decent (like, for example, Rolando Villazon) but their techniques are almost never as good as tenors from back in the old days.

[@ikemyung8623]

I dying to know the details of your rating system! Without some sort of rubric, it seems like this is all just random conjecture or personal preference. I would really like to have some explanations of your reasons behind your ratings.

[@bradycall1889]

I do admit some of it is biased.

[@bradycall1889]

Just because someone is labeled as "overrated" in this video it doesn't mean that they're that much overrated, they're just mildly overrated in some of these cases.

[@martadarday2991]

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[@martadarday2991]

The GREATEST TENOR Heroic WAS lauri volpi, FRANCO CORELLI+ BEATYFUL LIKE NO OTHER, AND VOICE UNIQE CARLO PERGONZI!!!!

[@AllThingsFilmWithYamYam]

Franco Corelli is the greatest opera singer in history

[@bradycall1889]

Fair enough. He's one of my favorites of course.

[@martadarday2991]

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[@Docteur_Faust]

Spyres is amazing

[@bradycall1889]

I know, right?

[@bbbartolo]

Domingo? the most perfect tenor of my lifetime. and who can compare tenors who lived 60 years apart? but I'm a sucker for comparisons and ratings.

[@bradycall1889]

Okay yeah he has had his advantages and disadvantages to him.

[@KajiVocals]

So perfect that he had to manufacture high notes on his albums.

[@bradycall1889]

@@KajiVocals I like some aspects of him but not others. One of Domingo's biggest flaws was that during the middle to late parts of his career he pushed way too hard on the high notes.

[@bbbartolo]

@@KajiVocals I guess I had in mind the Domingo who sang Don Carlo. He sounded as close to ideal as I'd ever heard

[@bradycall1889]

@@bbbartolo Yeah he started out very good but his technique worsened as he got older. And he always had some flaws I think.

[@giovic9802]

Are you serious? Gigli overated? He has a healthier technique than Corelli

[@bradycall1889]

Oh well

[@giovic9802]

@@bradycall1889 Franco Corelli is a spinto dramatic tenor, but when he sings light roles he pushes the voice too much. Instead, Gigli can sing flawless light roles, but he developed such a perfect technique that he can manage to compete with spinto/dramatic tenors. Listen to his Esultate from Otello

[@bradycall1889]

@@giovic9802 There's more to being a good opera singer than versatility.

[@giovic9802]

@@bradycall1889 yeah but sometimes it can say a lot about how healthy is the technique. For example lighter singers should be able to sing SOMETIMES heavier pieces. Like the tenor Jan Kiepura singing di quella pira

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Jon Vickers (rated about right; some love him because he’s big but also smart and sensitive; others hate him because his voice has a nasty edgy timbre and he’s an arrogant prick) Heinz Zednik (underrated, like many character-tenors, but everything he sings in is better because he is there) Erwin Wohlfahrt (ditto: very sad that he died young) Julius Pölzer (underrated because he sang mostly before recording technology was good enough to do him justice) Josef Traxel (underrated)

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah never heard of the other 4 but I've listened to Vickers before and he's good.

[@marksmith3947]

Vickers is absolutely my favorite dramatic tenor as well as someone who could sing lieder and oratorio wonderfully. He had a beautiful voice, large and incredibly free. He was a fantastic actor who delivered impassioned, unforgettable performances. Yes he didn't have a high C but he chose roles which suited him, where he excelled. No disrespect to lovers of MdM or Corelli, I rate Vickers higher for his complete artistry

[@bradycall1889]

@@marksmith3947 And indeed the idea that in order to be a great tenor you need a high C is incorrect. I honestly think that in order to be a great tenor you need at least a high Bb.

[@ey8767]

Absolutely love Jon Vickers. I don't care about the timbre of his voice or his lack of high notes. I love his acting and artistry. I love that he was always singing emotionally.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

@@ey8767 Me too, but I know some very smart, musical, vocal savants who absolutely can't stand hearing him. They writhe in pain.

[@martadarday2991]

I MISTEKED WRITING!!!I WOUD BE DEA TELLIN I HATE JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ, I ADORE ONLY HIM IN 72 YEARS LOVIN BELCANTO, HE IN THE ONLY DIVINE BORR IN 1973 AND FFOR EVER PERFECT BEAUTY AS MAN AND VOICE!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@bradycall1889]

I see you're a huge Juan Diego Florez fan lol

[@gonzalopimentel6434]

Juan Diego Flórez is not overrated xd he is one of the only ténors nowadays that keeps the field alive. And what about Alfredo Kraus

[@bradycall1889]

Well, you're entitled to your own opinions. Alfredo Kraus, imo, is neither overrated nor underrated.

[@gonzalopimentel6434]

@@bradycall1889 if you think JDF is overrated, maybe you don't like le bel canto

[@bradycall1889]

@@gonzalopimentel6434 You're the one who hates Bel Canto.

[@gonzalopimentel6434]

@@bradycall1889 i am not saying JDF is overrated, you are, and he is one of the best tenors of bel canto, wtf if you don't like JDF

[@bradycall1889]

@@gonzalopimentel6434 I mean like he's good, and he's not a bad singer, but he has more credit and attention than he should have. He's not as good as some other operatic tenors in my opinion. Also, I'm not saying it's your fault I'm calling him overrated, I'm saying it's your fault that you're wasting your own time 🤷‍♂.

[@m.kostoglod7949]

Oh yes Melchior is soooo great

[@bradycall1889]

Agreed man

[@m.kostoglod7949]

@@bradycall1889 There's also Heinrich Knote and John McCormack among highly underrated

[@tinkerwithstuff]

Pavarotti had a really good phase, in the late 60s and 70s. Then he was lured into ever heavier reportoire. While _he_ was getting ever heavier too, his voice not really, and probably both led to decline. Listen to his famous 70s (1978 ??) Fille du Regiment recording... e.g. "ah mes amis...", 9 high Cs, all of them nice.

[@bradycall1889]

He does have good technique, there's that.

[@alvarodecampostabacaria4223]

Mario Del Monaco is not underrated. He might be forgotten by some, but Del Monaco had a lot more success than Pavarotti in his time (without media almost). Pavarotti is not overrated, between the 60s and until 1974 he was incomparable in his repertoire. I won't comment on other like Kauffman etc, not worth it... It's just 2023 and some people are too lazy to dig out and listen to real tenors

[@bradycall1889]

Fair enough. I do somewhat wonder myself if I was right to add him to the “underrated” category.

[@alvarodecampostabacaria4223]

@@bradycall1889 I think he isn't . Also Pavarotti, I see why you said he's overrated, because people think he's god on everything he sang - and nobody ever was . But his voice in his repertoire until the mid 70s was outstanding,he was considered a late 800s tenor for his romantic style and his flexibility

[@gustavoz192]

Pavarotti is hands down the greatest tenor. Had the most powerful and bright voice of all, the best high notes and almost flawless technique and even promoted opera the most making it reach mainstream audiences never reached before.

[@user-mp1gg7qj4e]

Pavarotti had the most powerful voice?! Corelli:-«hold my beer!»))))

[@marekrosochacz]

@@user-mp1gg7qj4e Pavarotti was absolutely unreacheble in Donizetti's "La fille du régiment".It was like Beamon's long jump i Mexico.

[@user-mp1gg7qj4e]

@@marekrosochacz I agree, but we talking about “most powerful voice”). And what about “most powerful voice” Corelli>Pavarotti, no doubt!

[@dougcargill6730]

My two favorite who weren’t on the list (and not mentioned) are Nocolai Gedda and Alfredo Kraus. Their voices are wonderful.

[@nina1608]

A fatal omission!

[@bradycall1889]

Yeah Alfredo Kraus is pretty good. In some recordings he had flaws in his technique, but in other videos he was quite good.

[@apneiaproductions696]

I love Nicolai Gedda... This list is also missing Fritz Wunderlich...

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

@@apneiaproductions696 Hitler's favorite tenor was a guy called Peter Anders. He really is very good (I suppose it's not his fault that Hitler liked him) - a sweet crooner like Wunderlich, but he (Anders) didn't have Wunderlich's instrumental quality. Wunderlich sounds like baroque brass, or like an angel; Anders sounds like a human singer.

[@nina1608]

@@apneiaproductions696 And Peter Schreier, while we're at it.

[@Snowaman]

what do you think about Murat Karahan ???

[@bradycall1889]

Never heard of him lol

[@Snowaman]

@@bradycall1889 ooh I was wondering about your comment :))))

[@Snowaman]

Murat Karahan "E Lucevan Le Stelle" 16.11.2018 Latvian National Opera 100th Anniversary Gala Concert maybe you want to start with this

[@bradycall1889]

@@Snowaman Okay I will give a listen some time!

[@Snowaman]

@@bradycall1889 Have you had a chance to listen? I'm really curious about your comment

[@drackoni-han13]

Mario Del Monaco is from another galaxy

[@martadarday2991]

I ADORE JDF FLOREZ, OSBORNE IN NOTHING, AS PAVARROTTI, DOMINGO, THE GREATES WAS ONLY JOSE CARRERAS BEFORE LEOCAMIA!!!!!!! MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@sabbath7081]

Shipa has the old school passagio and power.

[@sabbath7081]

Benjimano gigli was good at the Puccini operas he had good lagato.

[@KajiVocals]

Well-sung even if poor fit for his light voice.

[@42kellys]

I disagree with you on many counts. Gigli and Monaco were the great opera tenors Tito Shipa as well. And they were held as such. Florez has done wonders with his 'small' voice that is why he is rightly praised and appreciated. Pavarotti is one of the best too. Some tenors of your selection I do not know so I have no idea.

[@bradycall1889]

Alright fair enough.

[@clement2780]

why over or under rated? no discussion

[@clement2780]

best : opera vs classical vs oratorio vs pop vs folk vs ? how about coloratura vs dramatic vs lyric vs spinto vs ?

[@bradycall1889]

You mean like sopranos?

[@sabbath7081]

Mario Delmonico had power but he sounded angry all the time and forced.

[@bradycall1889]

Interesting opinion. I’ll respect that.

[@yuujoupop]

what is the point of this video 😂

[@bradycall1889]

Just for fun :)

[@martadarday2991]

FLOREZ IS TECH NICALI THE BEST, HIS VOICE IS THE MOST BBEATYYFUL, AND HE IS MUST SEXY ,BEATYFUL, PERFECT ,IN EVERYTHING, HE BECAMES THE PERSO ERTERYLY. MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@robertlewandowski7983]

Gigli is overrated? He can sang high B in oo vowel . I’ve never seen anybody did that. Also Pavarotti, you can’t told him overrated just because he can’t sing much big as MDM . He’s the greatest singer of all time with no doubt. Just watch him sing Deserto in Terra. And in my opinion Spyres and Monsalve aren’t that great. Spyres use mixed voice after a G4 because he’s a baritone that try to sing tenor so if he sang in 1930 no one will heard him. Monsalve high note are really bad. He’s just sing high but no beauty. Big sound are not always good and light sound are not always bad.

[@bradycall1889]

Pavarotti's younger self was underrated. But his later recordings are overrated.

[@robertlewandowski7983]

@@bradycall1889 Because he is older so his voice just can’t be like 30 years old.but he still has a best technique here. Just compare 50 years old Corelli and 71 years old Pavarotti. Corelli can’t sing over high A with out squeezing anymore. And he sound really bad.But 71 years old can still sing effortlessly high Bb with a beautiful sound. So that clear.

[@bradycall1889]

@@robertlewandowski7983 I put Tito Schipa on the underrated side because, though he's light and bright compared to most of my favorite tenors, his technique is very good.

[@user-tb6fr4pk3v]

Jonas Kaufmann and Placido Domingo are and were simply "the best" tenors of our time.

[@martadarday2991]

Domingo IS ovverated, because hi can walk on dead biodiesel, BUT ha long ego TENOR voice. Atterraggio Walter on dead j kauffman vever ha visto, no beato , NOT minimum, ONLY BRULLENDER KAUFMANN, IN GERMAN ONLY PERFECT WORD FOR SCEEMIN TO HURT EARS. I HATE J.K. NOBODY ELS!!!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@martadarday2991]

A make ALWAYS mistake, kaufan can walkman on d KAUFMANN BUT BRULLENDER BARITON JONAS WALKER ON DEAD BODIES, TO BE ON STAGE!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@bradycall1889]

@@martadarday2991 Lol Jonas Kaufmann isn't a baritone

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

They are not and they were not the best of our times. In Domingo's time, there was Bonisolli, Giacomini and Checchele. All much better then Domingo. Today with have Marin Meuhle, also much better then Kaufman.

[@deborahmetzger1535]

@ZENOBlAmusic Today I love Javier Cammanaro

[@martadarday2991]

THE GREATEST TENOR IN FOR EVER , NEVER CAN HAVE RIVALS:THE ONE AND ONLY ONE DIVE JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ!!!!!!!!FOR ETERNITY!!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@martadarday2991]

Juan DIEGO FLOREZ THE ONLY ONE DIVINE FOR EVERE , NEVER CAN HAVE RIVALS JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ !!!!THE GREATEST HEROIC TENORS LAURI VOLPI , FRANCO CORELLI POR ETERNITI, AS JUAN DIEDO FLOREZ THE GREATEST HUMAN VOICE EVER BORN. FOR ETERNITY!!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@franzleiermann4955]

​@@martadarday2991i hate florez, but admire john osborn.

[@bradycall1889]

I respectfully disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

[@martadarday2991]

To hotel Florez means Boeing completamente deaf and blind!!! Oshbon in ugly , his voice NOTHING, absolutly ugly, and incabable for all belcanto roles, his ONLY Little Victor today IS ""Othello ""ROSSINI!!!FLOREZ IS BEATYFUL AS NOBODY BEFORE END MOORE THAN CAN BE ANY GREEK DIVINITY. HE SINGS ALL OPERAS NOBODY COULD SING FOR 200 YEARS, GIS VOICE DIVINE, MAKES FHISICAL , DIVINE, UNIQE PLEASURE ONLY AFTER 1 SECOND!!!!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@tecnicaantica]

Gigli overrated!!! You got it all wrong. Naming Bocelli among real tenors… another slip. There are so many tenors missing in this list, Bruce Ford, Mario Filippeschi, Gianfranco Checcele and Franco Bonisolli just to name a few.

[@bradycall1889]

Okay pal you're allowed to have your own opinion. Sorry if some of these picks may offended you. Also, if Bocelli isn't a tenor what is he?

[@tecnicaantica]

@@bradycall1889 1- I am not your Pal. 2- Andrea Bocelli is NOT an operatic tenor, he is a crossover singer with a Mickey Mouse voice that only carries with amplification ( Ask Riccardo Muti about his attempted Trovatore in La Scala ). As for the list… I would be very happy to provide you with an endless list of underrated tenors.

[@bradycall1889]

@@tecnicaantica "Pal" is something I say to random people on the internet all the time it's just a habit. Depends on what your definition of a "pal" is but I will stop calling you that if you'd like I'm okay with that. So I like Beniamino Gigli but people tried shoving how much they loved him down my throat when I simply said that my favorite operatic tenor was Mario Del Monaco (he's my favorite sounding tenor, but the one with the best technique and knowledge about singing in my opinion is Franco Corelli). It just got annoying when people said, "No, Beniamino Gigli is the greatest operatic tenor." They also complained to me about Pavarotti being the greatest instead of Del Monaco. But I admit as someone who's annoyed by many Beniamino Gigli lovers that Gigli is one of the greatest lyric tenors in recorded history. I admit, as much as I am a fan of Bocelli and as much respect I have for the man, you're right about some things. Bocelli was always too weak for an opera singer, I admit that, but he used to have a stronger voice than he does now. Even back then, admittedly, he wasn't strong enough for the opera house. He has occasionally gone to the opera house before and did alright, but it wasn't ideal and he didn't go to the houses often because he wasn't resonant enough. He isn't "underrated" overall across the entire world he's actually overrated. I just said "underrated" because on the internet he's underrated and hated a lot. But yes, when it comes to everybody out there he is overrated and not a true opera singer. That's why I put "popera" instead of "opera" because "popera" is classical-crossover but not actual opera. You should know the difference to understand where I was coming from. I think that earlier in his career, though compared to true opera singers his technique wasn't very good, contemporary-wise he had pretty good technique in my opinion. He sounded very good when he was young. But by now his voice got extremely weak even compared to other contemporary singers and his high notes are extremely strained. I admit the reason I called Del Monaco and Melchior "underrated" is because I just see dramatic tenors as underrated in general. And some of the guys I also called "underrated" admittedly I do understand why people don't enjoy them as much, such as Michael Spyres. Some of these "underrated" singers do indeed have flaws. And the reason I called Tito Schipa "underrated" and Juan Diego Florez, who has a similar if not the same voice, "overrated" is because Florez has so much credit for being an interpreter for the tenore di grazia roles despite that he's not even close to as good as Schipa is. Schipa was celebrated in his time but is no longer celebrated as much anymore unfortunately. Yes give a list of tenors that you think are overrated and underrated (you can be brutally honest by adding some of my favorites to the "overrated" list as long as you're polite about it).

[@tulliusagrippa5752]

Should you not have your ears examined by a specialist? They don’t seem to be working too well.

[@bradycall1889]

Which ones on hear do you disagree with?

[@martadarday2991]

I never HAD A CRUSH , I LOVE JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ FRIM FIRST DAY 1997 E HAVE SEE JFG IN SKY CLASSIC RITTATTO. I LOVE JDF MOORE THA ANYYB9DY IN MY LIVE ANTILL MY LAST MOMENT!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@bradycall1889]

Then why u so obsessed with him? Lol

[@brumels1570]

Melchior had a very powerful voice but he frequently simplifies the rhythm.

[@bradycall1889]

Interesting

[@johankritzinger4206]

The opinions of this rating character is silly most are great singers except Bocelli who sang on sympathy . Wonder if this character knows anything about opera

[@bradycall1889]

Bocelli has always had his advantages and disadvantages. To say that the only reason he got famous is because he's blind is false. Pavarotti enjoyed his voice, and he was classically trained to a slight extent by Franco Corelli.

[@popshave-it4987]

have you ever been at an opera performance? i guess not, this video can only have been made by somebody who knows very little about this genre and has just heard a little amount of youtube videos, sorry. please take it down. the Zednik and jerusalem mistake is embarrassing and to say gigli and pavarotti and the others are overrated is ridiculous.

[@bradycall1889]

I've been to opera performances before bruh 🙄 and I could understand getting mildly upset about me calling Gigli overrated but Pavarotti? Come on man, both those men are good, but they are shoved down my throat all the time in my Mario Del Monaco video.

[@popshave-it4987]

Ok, but what do you mean, where or for whom are they over- or underrated? for example gigli. Birgit Nielsson said that he was the singer with the richest spectrum of overtones and the most intense metal in his voice that she had heard, when she claimed that, and she had sung with the greatest as you know. He recieved the highest Sallery for a performance (especially at the met) in his time and this for a reason. Yes he could have sung with lower larynx, but the sensation of having him heard life must have been thrilling. Its said that he trained on the top of the ships (for not hearing im self in a room) by humming for gaining more overtones, while for example lauritz melchior trained with open mouth and beeing loud. If you say gigli is overrated concerning the asthetic of his voice on the recordings, thats to discuss. So from the technical aspect and in my opinion also in interpretation and musicality hes not overrated.. he inspired just like caruso did, many of the younger singers. why Pavarotti overrated? he is also a technique beast. He dedicated his whole life to his vocal thechnique and his life performances shall have been sensational. There will be only few tenors who wont study him.. Why is michael spires underrated? he has an incredible career and is an outstanding artist who creates the way of his career a big parts himself, because he has this crazy abilitiy of beeing able to sing different voice types. Also the domingo thing.. ok the acuti sections not there. But better a Faust without C as a C without Faust. he is one of the best actors in opera and compared to others his healthy thechnique anables him to still sing.. so many decades. Are you an addict of muscles and power? because of comparing pavarotti and del monaco.. different voice types. in art not everything is about obvious things and power, there are so many aspects. but you wrote in a comment, everything is just for fun for you. for me not a proper approach to the work of artists I think this over and underrated comparison is insulting and neglects so many aspects.

[@bradycall1889]

@@popshave-it4987 K bruh you're entitled to your own opinions.

[@sabbath7081]

Pavarotti was just well I don't know a robot?

[@bradycall1889]

No i think he’s good just overhyped. I praised him in another video.

[@sabbath7081]

@@bradycall1889 definitely overhyped, there was an interview where he said if the television media was as big as it was back in the day of Franco Corelli he would have been as big if not bigger, Luciano was actually praising him saying he had steel vocal cords and amazing stamina in the voice. The two of them were in my opinion the last great tenors of the end of the century.

[@KajiVocals]

@@sabbath7081You’re forgetting Fisichella.

[@BigDaddyDracula]

absolutely ridiculous video. Mario del Monaco underrated? One of the most celebrated tenors of all time? Lauritz Melchior, the person everyone thinks of when they hear the name heldentenor? GIANCARLO MONSALVE???? The guy's vibrato, even in the clip you posted, as as wide as the grand canyon. Just more nonsense perpetuated by people who don't actually enjoy opera and just like to get into youtube beef

[@bradycall1889]

I don't like Monsalve anymore because I grew to hate vibrato since I made this video. Del Monaco ain't celebrated that much you big numbskull lmao. Celebrated somewhat, but not that much.

[@BigDaddyDracula]

​@@bradycall1889 glad you've seen the light with monsalve. dude is a charlatan. as for del Monaco, if you're talking about the general public I guess you MAY have a point, but amongst people in the opera community I wouldn't say so. The man is a giant in the opera world and for good reason, the name "otello" is synonymous with him. but again, general public doesn't know shit. They hear "Nessun Dorma" and think pavarotti (whom I love in his proper repetoir) which is odd to anyone who knows about Turandot. and you're right: i did come off as a douche

[@bradycall1889]

@@BigDaddyDracula Sorry that I did go too far by calling you an extremely nasty term. Indeed Giancarlo Monsalve is not a very good singer. Sometimes his vibrato is so wide that in some recordings it sounds like he's singing multiple notes at once lmao. I tried singing his vocal exercises (transposed down because I'm a baritone) but they didn't work out for me. Granted, he does have some talent otherwise I wouldn't have been impressed by his high chest notes in the first place, and perhaps in person he might be a better vocal teacher than on KZbin where he doesn't explain things very well. I say that because I've heard his students sing as a result of his teachings and they're not that bad to be honest. His passaggio teachings on KZbin are just plain confusing and the vocal exercises he does himself do not work in my experience. I had a much easier time singing along the vocal exercises of Tecnica Antica (aka Rafael Vazquez) whom in fact had vocal exercises for all male voice types not just tenors and his videos were more comprehensive.

[@eldar5470]

what a bunch of nonsense. Media popularity, commercial success, reputation within opera world, different eras of media coverage, actual legasy and influence on opera art... all criteria are mixed up in order to serve your random view... Just stupid

[@bradycall1889]

So you think my opinions are stupid? Lol

[@eldar5470]

@@bradycall1889 Yes, for there is no logic present, no consistancy, no any obvious criteria. U just call random singers overrated and other random singers underrated. It's not even an opinion of urs, coz a serious opinion is supposed to be based on some insight, logic, careful comparison. Ur video shows none of that.

[@bradycall1889]

@@eldar5470 Do I have to explain in detail why I put each singer into the category that I put them into?

[@eldar5470]

@@bradycall1889 You don't have to do anything. It's just that without explanations - it is what it is - a bunch of random nonsence. And by the way - to call smb overrated due to excessive media coverage and other person underrated due to them being dead for the last 50 years... that's not fair to say the least. If u have a modern bel canto repertoir singer u consider overrated - well do the job, find another modern singer of the same repertoir u think is underrated and compare them, that would be interesting, logical and fair. Well-known does not = overrated long dead does not = underrated

[@bradycall1889]

@@eldar5470 Okay, I will.

[@mauriciolopez12]

Usted no entiende nada....

[@bradycall1889]

Can you give examples?

[@bradycall1889]

Dame unos ejemplos, por favor!

[@martadarday2991]

I wan't TELL opera mus be art for art ONLY. MY FIRST LOVE AGE 12 VAST MANRICO IL.TROVATORE, BUT KKN9WING VERDI HIS ABSOLUYLY NOT ONE OF MY FAVORITAS!!!!HE WRTO MASTERPIESES AS YOUNG BUT MOSTLY ITALIAN POLITIC IN HIS DAY INTERERSTED HIM ME NOT AT ALL!!!I AS HUNGARYAN!!!.I LOVE ROSSINIS OTELLO,.THE VERDI OTHELLO WAS JOHN VICKER, NOT MONACO AND LESS DOMINGO, AS THE CANIO JOHN VICKERS. I WANTED TO TELL I NEVER HATED MUSSOLINI, BIT POLITICS AND LIRIC A HATE TO MIIX. ART PUOR ART, BELCANTO FOR ME FOR SURE NO VERISMO AND LIKE. !!!

[@bradycall1889]

With all due respect are you okay?

[@martadarday2991]

PARAGONARE ODIOSO, Flso!!ogni voce unico!!sia nullita, e GRANDE. DOPO TUTTO IL.MASSIMO DIVINO PER ME SEMPRE JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ!!!!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@martadarday2991]

MARIO DELL MONACO VISTO , SENTITO, ERA BELL UOMO , OTTIMA VOCE, MA CERTAMENTE TERRESTR, E SCOSTUMATO , PRESUNTUOSO TROPPO. MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@martadarday2991]

MAI SOPRA VALUTARE JUAN DIEGO FLOREZ SI PUO!!!IL UNICO DIVINO SENZA RIVALI ESSERE DIO CREATO IN 20 MILANNI. JUAN DIEGONFLOREZ DIVINO, UNICO SENZA RIVALI DA E OER ETÉNITA!!V OCE TECHNICA BELLEZZA DIVINA CARISMA UNICA BONTA, GENEROSITA UNICA!!!DIO GRÀNDE BENEDICA JDF VOCE JDF E SUOI ÇARI!!MARTA BEATRIX DARDAY

[@jandamskier6510]

get stuffed

[@bradycall1889]

Alright I'll make sure I get stuffed pal 😉