fake modern tenor (Disgusting!)

[@jefolson6989]

Kaufman is trying to be Giacomini. The missing ingredient is squillo. Giacomini's voice was twice the size of Kaufmans. I think Kauffman actually wants to be Romon Vinay. Kauffman isn't bad, but he lack the brilliance tenors MUST have.

[@crazyorganist1609]

Exactly. I've always felt this

[@cliffgaither]

Jef Olson :: Maybe he would like to be Corelli ? But with his envy of Corelli ... no one dares mention Corelli's name around Kaufmann.

[@jefolson6989]

@@cliffgaither is that true? Does Kauffman fly into a rage at the mention of a tenor from years ago who is different in every possible way from himself? That's some serious insecurity from a guy who is, like him or not, the tenor du jour on the scene today. He seems pleasant in interviews, and quite likeable. BUT, to paraphrase Rudolf Bing to a famous soprano " I'm sorry. I'm afraid I just don't like your voice very much".

[@cliffgaither]

@@jefolson6989 ● Granted ... I may have taken liberties. I do know that Kaufmann made a negative comment about Corelli's _Di quella pira._ When the time game for Kaufmann to perform that aria / scene ... he was totally out of his depth, compared to Corelli. It's possible that Kaufmann has no interest in past singers, maybe even Corelli ... but there's one thing for sure :: Kaufmann has listened to Corelli's recordings -- in private ! Kaufmann can be as nice as he needs to be in interviews ... he has an image that the marketing department has created for him. I don't really care what Kaufmann says / sings / feels about past singers ... has no interest in singers of yesterday as if those singers are now irrelevant ... If that's how he feels ... he's bullshitting himself ! Franco Corelli was the greatest tenor during the modern age of recording ... maybe the Rubini's of the 18th century were more spectacular ... obviously, we ain't gonna ever know. What we do know :: Corelli was beyond gifted ... voice / height / good looks / vocal power / an upper-voice w / masculine impact. Kaufmann will never be in Corelli's class of Operatic History. Kaufmann's performances have been criticized for his lack of being heard in big houses. People who know better than I ... that his voice has been pushed into the higher-fees of dramatic roles ... the sound of his tenor is a thick as mud. If he cannot match, let alone, surpass Corelli's magnificent voice ... better he remain silent before speaking of a tenor who will never be forgotten ! Bing was entitled to his opinion. I am also pretty-sure he knew of that soprano's back-stabbing of Phyllis Curtin. That soprano also appeared to be nice in interviews & bubbly, too.

[@jefolson6989]

@@cliffgaither I am aiming the Bing comment at Kauffman. He can be heard. That's not the problem. But it isn't a bright sound. It's not Italian . And it's not a heldentenor. But that's how it is. On his Desert Island Disc episode he chooses his favorite singers from the past. Most revealing.

[@oliverdelica2289]

RIP Giacomini 😔

[@BubbyNikko]

I'm not really a fan of these comparisons, but it started with Kaufmann and I thought "okay", then went on to Giacomini and I thought "this is clearly amazing" and when it went back to Kaufmann I was like "oh. well, this is not it".

[@OPalestrantedaPAZ]

The exact same hapened to me

[@nevim007]

These comparisons make very little sense; just two random recordings don't prove that the one is a bad singer and the other was great singer. In my opinion, both are/were great tenors, each has/had a different voice and different strengths. I think Kaufmann is a wrong target anyway; he has delivered many great performances, including this aria. I am quite sure that some 20, 30 years later his recordings (better than this one though, I think he had a bad night on this one) will be used as a benchmark. There are others nowadays who sing just average but are sold to the public as "stars" just because they have a great marketing (or networking skills - or both).

[@geminikid1617]

@@nevim007but Kaufman always sounds like this. This has nothing to do w/a bad night. He’s been sounding like this for decades. His technique when he was young was great, but he changed it in exchange for what you hear now. There’s just no excusing this. Giacomini’s simply a much stronger tenor. That’s the comparison being made between these 2 and it’s fairly obvious, no matter what reasoning or explanation you give.

[@Hnk448]

Was kaufmann und giacomini unterscheidet ist,das kaufmann den idealen Sänger verkörpert der auch hervorragend die Rolle Schauspielerisch interpretiert. (Da muss man rein stimmtechnisch gewisse Kompromisse eingehen) im Gegensatz dazu konnte sich giacomini in erster Linie auf seine Stimme konzentrieren, da Schauspielerisch nicht mehr konnte respektive wollte.( er kam aus einer anderen zeit). Ich finde beide Sänger auf ihre Art großartig und bewundernswert

[@mk5244]

…wer aus dem hier von JK gebotenen Puccini keine vokale Katastrophe heraus hört, hat ganz offenbar eigene Vorstellungen, wie das klingen kann. Die Intonation stimmt, bis auf wenige Ausnahmen nicht, die Stimme sitzt nicht, in keinem Register, kein Squillo, die Italianita lediglich optisch, die hohen Töne gequetscht. Was JK darstellen muß, haben andere früher gesungen(SZ). Non mi piace!

[@GordonHudson]

A lot of modern singers are microphone trained. The older generation were trained to fill a theatre. Its not just volume that's the issue, there is an intensity of tone that this kind od practice brings to someone's voice.

[@crazyorganist1609]

Sutherland and Nilsson being prine examples

[@justinodiaz6501]

You’re absolutely correct.what a pity….sometimes it’s painful….j.

[@jesustenorioy]

Sorry, the news one have desfigured the song or Bell Canto. It seems that thery have learned to much technics tha they don't know to apply. They dont have technique, technique has them by the neck. It´s horrible. Don't defend or justify them. They charge a lot for a bad job. Especially that Kaufmann. Total fake with or without microphoe.

[@susanlandsman9572]

@@jesustenorioy Besides the fact that he doesn't sound like a tenor, but a baritone with some high notes. Kaufmann sounds strained (each year as he gets older) when he tries to hit those notes.

[@jesustenorioy]

@@susanlandsman9572 My friend I guess he is not even a good baritone, bud you right, he don´t hit high notes. Just sell figure or image, not good sound or bell canto. Thanks for comment. Like.

[@grantes4969]

That video of Kaufmann should not have seen the light of day. What was his publicist thinking!

[@sw5114]

My exact thought. Should have been immediately trashed. And please stop singing Calaf. That is better in Corelli territory, not even. Pavarotti..

[@grantyoungblood7895]

Im fairly certain his publicist was thinking: “This recital video is going to make us both a shit-ton of money!”

[@caeruleusbritannus]

You have selected probably Kaufman's worst recording ever on a very off-day. He's visibly struggling which is not at all representative. Probably because he's in an incredibly echo-y room, and using a microphone, which has led him to make some dubious stylistic decisions. Not remotely a fair basis for comparison 🤷‍♂

[@MartyMusic777]

The worst thing to me about Kaufmann is that he's lacking release - his voice sounds constricted. If he opened it up and stopped forcing it to be dark, it might actually carry over the orchestra on the (not very) low notes of Nessun Dorma. A dramatic tenor does not need a dark voice - the original Verdi Otello, Francesco Tamagno, had a massive voice with lots of brightness and ring; the recordings aren't the best, but the massive difference in ease and release are clear. A tenor singing dramatically needs freedom in the voice above all else, and I don't hear it in Kaufmann, pretty as the instrument and face naturally may be.

[@draganvidic2039]

Exactly

[@mtrmann]

He actually sounds like he's being strangled.

[@peterchristopher3527]

Tenors were supposed to portray young lovers ,with bright voices , today's tenors sound like baritones ,duh!

[@anthonyehrenzweig1635]

I agree - he is musical & popular with the women but his voice lacks the metallic ring of the real tenors. And this recording sounds strangled.

[@Umbra.Tekken]

Listen to his voice singing Manon in the 90's it was so beautiful and clear , but then he changed his technique to make this current sound

[@BLOP888]

At this point there is no operatic quality in Kaufmann’s voice, it’s basically tension enhanced by a microphone. Giacomini does a great job

[@ClergetMusic]

Kaufman is a lyric faking dramatic.

[@andrzejzborowski4920]

@@ClergetMusic Exactly. He makes his voice color dark, but he has no dramatic squillo at all.

[@leonardoiglesias2394]

There is not quality at all in any genre. Do you want to hear him singing tangos, american standards, flamenco, pop, rock like Presley? No.

[@mtrmann]

@@leonardoiglesias2394 - And even on his latest recording where he can take all the time in the world to be in the best voice possible singing into a microphone, he sounds bad. What puzzles me is how he gets so many glowing comments of praise from adoring fans. Don't they have ears?

[@e-bikeskibum7141]

@@andrzejzborowski4920 I agree. I don't see what all the hype is about Kaufman. He has no squillo and his voice just sound ugly to me.

[@rodicapopa4339]

In Romanian there's an old saying: "Stones are thrown in the fruit tree only". RIP Giacomini!

[@aldofonti]

Confronto imbarazzante ed improponibile

[@romearomeo]

Kaufmann è super commercializzato...Giacomini invece è un vero artista...

[@cliffgaither]

Romea Romeo :: That's an excellent description ( super-commercialized ).

[@johnsarkissian5519]

Kaufman is a light tenor, the Tamino type. In his younger days, that’s what he was, a light tenor with a beautiful voice. There may still be some videos of him from those days on KZbin. Then impresarios noticed his good looks and the big money potential if they could cast him in dramatic, sexy roles. He artificially darkened his voice and turned it into this unbearable sounding instrument. Sadly, the exact same thing happened to Anna Netrebko. Their good looks worked against them.

[@christopherrobinwattsthoma6318]

Exactly I was lucky enough to have been present at a performance of Così with a very young Kauffman and he was fabulous in the part!

[@EliominDZ]

me gustaría escuharlo cantar a usted para ver si canta mejor que Kaufmann

[@johnsarkissian5519]

@@EliominDZ I am not a singer. If you are comparing my singing to his, that is a false comparison. You need to compare him with great singers, then you will notice that he is not that great!

[@asclepius3117]

That is it! Yet the public is influenced by the publicity and treats him as the next coming of Pavarotti.

[@chagkruzart7695]

Kaufmann is closer to baritone. His "ein schwart.." from Walkure quite as well

[@cachdeques]

both sound very baritonal but giacomini has a superb squillo and timbre. kaufmann sounds dull and somewhat opaque

[@marksmith3947]

I wouldn't pay money to see or hear Kauffman in anything. Dreadful. I never heard of Giancomini before. Calling him second rate is not fair. To me that implies some deficiency. I don't hear any.

[@MrPatropolis55]

The problem I have with comparisons like this is that I feel the clips chosen are biased. I'm definitely a big Giacomini fan, but jeepers anything would beat that recording of Kaufmann where he's clearly not in good voice(even if you think his voice is bad ALL the time, it's obviously not a good day for him in that recording). Would be better to use the clip from the Proms or something. In any case, GG is a beast and I love his Si pel ciel too

[@tomaskildisius]

Thank you. 🤦‍♂️

[@wewper]

True, but then again how do you find a clip of Giacomini singing poorly? 😜

[@eliascastillorivera7130]

@@wewper in his Vicino a te it's clear how his voice is not as ringing as it could actually be. Is much much better than Kauffman, but not perfect.

[@leonardoiglesias2394]

If he cant sing….he should go home and cook dinner instead. He has got enough money already. And this is the case. He cant sing. Like Villazon. It is over. Star fakes. Stars sing many years, not 5-6 years only.

[@leonardoiglesias2394]

@@eliascastillorivera7130 No es el lugar para criticar a Giacomini. Se trata de destrozar a Kaufmann. No te has enterado? Y a Kaufmann lo destroza un cantante que cante el 30% de Giacomini. O sea que Giacomini no es el tema aqui. El tema es como se puede seguir vendiendo a alguien como Kaufmann como si fuera una gran estrella del canto y de la musica cuando solo es un mal chiste, una caricatura.

[@jonathanquoc-nambui5266]

Kauffman be like: look, i can deepthroat so i can opera singing, too.

[@laprimmadonna2341]

Pues, bueno, en resumen se le acabó el tiempo a Kaufmann y no aprendió a cantar. Ya ni le sirve su físico. A esperar las nuevas generaciones y ojalá tengamos tenores de verdad que al menos sepan mantener una línea de canto. Gracias por tu vídeo. Has evidenciado lo que a lo largo de estos décadas hemos visto en los teatros y en esta plataforma…la ausencia de verdaderos tenores. Gracias.

[@Gotlev6]

Kaufman reminds me of the mezzo Garança.. same kind of singing. I don’t understand what people like about them.

[@draganvidic2039]

People don’t know how good singing sounds anymore

[@yukyukyuk1335]

I think you proved your point. Perfectly.

[@wewper]

3:56 Don't swallow your tongue, dear. Kaufmann's pianos and pianissimos have always been hoarse, so even when he does his messa di voce trick it doesn't sound impressive. But now that hoarseness is all over his voice, at any dynamic, at any pitch.

[@reginaltedbrown]

JUSSI BJORLING 1940 slow version .

[@MrSoerenbager]

1944 :-)

[@radames5855]

Non c'è niente da dire... C'è solo un tenore Giacomini...

[@leonardoiglesias2394]

Jussi Björling e SEMPRE 40 vece migliore. 90 vece. Incomparabile.

[@radames5855]

@@leonardoiglesias2394 ok... Prima di tutto Bjorljng qui non c'è Seconda cosa è un lirico Giacomini è un drammatico Sono due grandi interpreti del loro tempo ,e non hanno a che vedere l'uno dall'altro Voci completamente diverse Quindi il suo commento per me ,non ha alcun significato Li ammiro entrambi,ma per motivi diversi ...buon anno

[@toscadonna]

No core in the modern singer, because the chest voice is not developed properly.

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

Точно..для тенора это очень важно-грудь..иначе он не выйдет на предельные верха

[@juancruzgamarra5259]

4:15 ????????? Y la voz?

[@davidphillips4063]

Heavens. How awful is Kaufmann? I've heard better amateurs.

[@GaryMckenzie-qy9hw]

Both of them are wonderful Tenors, and I enjoy listening to them both.

[@traindriva]

Kaufman sounded like a C grader by comparison. Mind you, Giacomini was stupendous when 'on song'. That recital at 54 years of age , wow.

[@amantedellopera1681]

Sorry kaufman sounds like a guy who has a half decent voice,no comparison to giacomini who is a real tenor

[@C5films]

These comparisons do very little, other than serve as vitriol and denigration to modern singers. The comparison between Kaufmann and Giacomina in this instance is pointless and valueless. The latter is clearly singing in Grand Opera, being paramount that his voice surmounts a full orchestra, being played as Puccini intended. The former, singing in an empty auditorium accompanied by a softly played piano, enabling Kaufmann to sing with his hallmark 'sotto'. It matters not whether you like his style of singing or not, the important thing being you can't offer the two in a genuine comparison. It's fine to prefer the 'old school singers', but all you are doing with this channel, (that you beg people to pay you to continue), is contribute towards persuading people to refrain from getting involved in the greatest art form, opera itself.

[@mickey1849]

You are very emotional about your subject, and at the same time wrong in some ways. Both Kaufmann and Giacomini ARE being offered in a meaningful comparison. They are both singing in the voce in gola "style"--if you will--and Giacomini is doing a much finer job of it than Kaufmann. However, the Kaufmann supporters are all of accord that this particular recording of him is not a representative example of his ability. The entire point of having one sing in this style with a full orchestra and one sing with a piano only is to help better to compare how the style fares in both settings. Certainly, in these particular examples, Giacomini is having a much finer day of it than Kaufmann. Singing professionally is about having an audience. If certain people like the way you sing and are willing to pay to hear you sing, then you can make a living at it. This is nothing more than an analytical study of a certain style of singing: the "voce in gola style." If this style only serves as "vitriol and denigration to modern singers," then perhaps you yourself have already unconsciously expressed you consider it inferior to the traditional way of singing in big voice. Unlike many activities, singing is not necessarily a zero-sum game: it's not always I win you lose, or you win I lose. If I sing one way and have an audience, and you sing another way and have an audience, then all well and good. We both are winners. Let the market decide! Again, if their artificially dark style of singing is earning them a good living...that's food for thought. 😊

[@luca200177]

Ho avuto la fortuna di sentirli più volte entrambi. Giuseppe Giacomini non si può paragonare a nessun altro tenore. Men che meno a J.K. che arranca per emettere qualsiasi suono.

[@gunterjauch9051]

Even in that room he needs a mic so small is his voice he cannot hold a candle to giacomini

[@eszterga100]

The mic was for recording, there was no audience, this performance was during the pandemic my little candle, Gunter.

[@gunterjauch9051]

@@eszterga100 my big candel Mate are you a singer or just an Expert without any Performance? Bye for Now

[@williammountfield8508]

@@gunterjauch9051 it was a television broadcast, how would you record that without a microphone? Even Giacomini used one when he made a recording.

[@sw5114]

@@eszterga100 hardly mattered. It’s a manufactured voice. Not much authentic about it. Giacomini sang Oper . JK croons. The last tones are a throat destroyer.

[@septichka]

This was very poor performance (by Worlds-best-tenor standards), he shouldn't have agreed to post this....I guess it was live broadcast...Friend that sang in Met told me that they are using mics now and I was very surprised... And for Kaufmann, he said that his goal was probably to sing everything as much as possible to get the money until voice just deteriorates...so I guess my friend was right...

[@sergey8732]

Даже медленный темп не спас Кауфмана. Сиплый тенор...

[@blauauge2]

It‘s very simple. The first one has a bad, throaty , wrong , unhealthy sound 🙉🙉🙉 and the second one 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@trudischleifer7245]

JK isn't any sort of singer, just a noisemaker.

[@concepcionrebosa3027]

Y el Gran Corelli

[@ritapapiri]

Kaufmann is ready for the musical 😁😥😁😥

[@crazyorganist1609]

Thing is most musical singers are highly trained and some of those parts in musicals are excruciatingly difficult to sing. Kaufmann wouldn't last second in musicals

[@ritapapiri]

@@crazyorganist1609 it's true....

[@Luifernal6]

Giacomini desayunaba Kaufmanns por las mañanas...

[@sterlingmckinney4228]

To be fair, Kaufman is accompanied by only piano, Giacomini has an orchestra to play with. Giacomini wins this battle, but what is HE like with solo piano?

[@MarthaTorres-ze6vo]

Ma dai,per favore!! È come sparare sulla croce rossa..

[@javiermarting]

I’ve always considered Giacomini a second class tenor. The problem here is that Kaufmann is indeed a third class tenor…

[@leonardoiglesias2394]

That is exactly like that. But…for me would be: First class there is only one: Jussi Björling. Second class are: Schipa, Gigli, Di Stefano, Vickers, Pavarotti. Third Class: Domingo, Del Monaco, Corelli, Tucker. Fourth class: Giacomini, and the rest. Kaufmann is a joke. But so is Patricia Kopatschinskaja and many many many others. It is the result of the politic of agencies, recording labels such as DGG, Sony, EMI, etc. They only want quick sales and are not at all interested in music making. Nothing. The stars today are going to desappear in 4-5 years. A Giacomini sang 40 years non stop.

[@Caruso_is_king]

@@leonardoiglesias2394 please add a link to you performing. You have some kind of balks calling a Schipa or a Pavarotti a second class singer. Pathetic.

[@jiso5232]

@@leonardoiglesias2394 Putting Del Monaco and Corelli next to Domingo doesn't make compliments to your knowledge of operatic technique.

[@jamestaylorstudios28]

@@leonardoiglesias2394 Domingo couldn't tie Corelli's shoes. Money made Domingo. I appreciate your list, but it shows a terrible bias towards the lirico, even though you put Vickers on there. Bjorling is great but is definitely NOT in a class all his own. I would prefer Gigli over him any day. And I totally dig Schipa Corelli, even with his later mannerisms is still the premiere Spinto, along with Caruso. And you make a mistake overlooking James King. Again, a premiere Spinto, a fantastic musician and actor, and he had a premiere voice. And just HOW in the world could you leave Mechior off this list?!?! The greatest Schwer Heldentenor in history. And Rockwell Blake. This fella single handedly brought back the Rossini repertoire to the mainstream. The guy had a premiere voice, and unlike most of the guys who sang that repertoire he sang with balls. Not the wimpy stuff you still hear today. No Gimenez, Matuzzi, or Alva here. His characters were heroic. And his phrasing was out of this world. You can keep Pavarotti and Domingo. Domingo had a career due to family money, not because of his voice or what he could't do with it, and Pavarotti, well, nah. Not worth it. Everyone has their faves and why they're at the top of their lists. Domingo and Pavarotti don't even come close for me.

[@meleisenberg9240]

SPOT-ON Leonardo!!!!!!@@leonardoiglesias2394

[@fedortesenkov]

They are also in different circumstances- Giacomini sang the hardest scenes before this aria, Calaf’s role is about almost screaming on the top most of time, and Kaufman is just recording recital, the voice is meant to be fresh, but it’s tired instead. Professional singer must treat his voice in right way. Kaufman is not available to do this at all ‘cause when his voice is a little bit tired, it refuses working because the manner of singing makes it matt and squeezed

[@esterbruno8604]

Giacomini distrugge Kaufy completamente!

[@guidogreco341]

Confronto impietoso..certo ci si accontenta poco al giorno d oggi

[@charlesm.5476]

Giacomini may have been better than Kaufmann but was still ingolata and sharp. Not a great example.

[@draganvidic2039]

Kaufmann is ingolata. Are you deaf?

[@tita4359]

@@draganvidic2039both were. Giacomini just manages to also have more balance overall but giacomini’s voice isn’t so great either tbh

[@EgroupX]

This comparison is not ethically correct. The title is not nice. Comparing the two great voices in this way is disrespectful to their work. In addition, while one was on stage without adequate technical equipment, the other was recorded with the latest technology.

[@Beambach]

Comparisons are odious

[@ts121084]

Totally unfair (and I’m not particularly a fan of Kaufy). In vintage recordings, partly because there’s little to no bass, even the jeering patrons back in the cheap seats sound as loud as B-52 bombers.

[@anibalalvarez3807]

Kaufmann's Nessun dorma puts me to sleep... and then gives me nightmares with what I call his signature "laryngitis technique". Giuseppe Giacomini is so exciting. I love his high notes. And the brilliance of his tone throughout the aria is such a delight. His acting is very determined. You believe him from the start.

[@henkmueller2550]

Very interesting. What do you mean since a low larynx seems necessary

[@anibalalvarez3807]

Low larynx is indeed necessary. Constricted and tense throat as he has here is definitely not. He is trying really hard to force his throat to generate a long gone voice. It doesn't work like it used to any more. And it's truly sad. His illness and being pushed into difficult roles too soon are to blame for the most part. But we need to stop acting like he sounds OK. This is bad singing no matter how much we want to play dumb about it, or how much the PR label wants us to brainwash us into.

[@sergey8732]

Ларингит был лет 10 назад. Теперь перешёл в застойный бронхит

[@mediadesignppg]

Beautiful voice of Jonas but wrong vocal techic etc. Well, old school is ....old school! 👍 Very clear and everything is in place.

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

Кауфман из красивых теноров..всегда был прекрасен

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

@Noack Somewhere он попортил голос..в молодости хороший голос..что агенты делают с их голосами?А главное сам певец неправильный репертуар выбирает..и в конец убивает вокал..такого голос не прощает издевательства

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

@Noack Somewhere я больше согласна

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

@Noack Somewhere особо голос Гаранчи противный,кто ее учил вокалу?Я как сама контральто, в ужасе..ее голос хочет уйти из тела,ему плохо,он получает нокаут при ее пении.А Радвановски могла бы аккуратно перейти в драм..но ..не так как она делает, ее голос спасибо не скажет.И всё упирается в педагогов вокала,старую школу бельканто никто не отменял..Повторю,согласна с вами..лишь личное тщеславие певцов,они как поп звёзды,много высокомерия и публика упала в запросах..в Большом приходят делать селфи, наряды..а на сцене кто то что то поёт с микрофоном..это катастрофа

[@fredsik]

I get that there's a substantial difference between the two, but God, would you at least show Kaufmann some decency by not using the worst clip of him available on the net? The bias running rampant in these types of videos is ridiculous, and the community built around it is self-congratulatory and elitist to a disgusting degree. This is coming from a person who greatly prefers Giacomini by the way.

[@bharp4390]

I mean, you can't really expect more from a channel named "Old School Singers." It gives off the same vibe as a fourteen year old who claims to have been born in the wrong generation.

[@javieroybin4541]

Que desastre Kaufmann!!! Esto no es arte es un espanto, un griterío con garganta cerrada, es casi como tocar la guitarra golpeándola sobre una mesa !!

[@ИсломОзодов-ы7к]

You could've picked some better performance of Kauffman, he's not that bad. He sings much better than this

[@poppysspaceasmr]

Amazing♥😰

[@niconico7281]

Hablamos de otro nivel de Tenor en todo!! Giacomini es 100 veces un Kaufman!!

[@jcleivaamoros]

I think the comparison shouldn't be about the singers but about the way each sing. Obviously it's not nice to compare two persons, but their way of singing is clearly different. One way is pure apotheosis, the other way is like someone being choked.. Which is which? Let your ears decide.

[@diogopais9135]

All of this post is not fair for JK. Please inform when this JK’s recital was broadcasted. The world was shut down in the middle of the COVID 19 pandemic… and you probably picked THE most unfortunate moment in his career!

[@rodrigobalmorih1381]

Es muy fácil criticar tomando la mejor grabación de un cantante y eligiendo deliberadamente una mala del otro. Se me hace muy mala fe y habla de los valores de este canal. Si van a comparar comparen lo mejor de uno contra lo mejor del otro. Por último quiero hacer notar que la grabación de Kaufman no tiene reverberancia y la de Giacomini si la tiene. Dicho hecho reduce la cantidad de armónicos audibles y produce si bien un sonido más limpio, también uno más pobre. ¿Eso no se va a tomar en cuenta?. ¡Que falta de profesionalismo crítico!.

[@Lucas-nieva91]

Pero de las otras hay un trecho de años y tecnología no a favor. Y aún asi. Suenan mejor? Ni la tecnología lo salva al alenant. Aparte así como sonó o canto. Canta siempre! Aparte me estás diciendo de algo ya muy planificado lo de Jonás. Ya que es un concierto. La canto bastante más fresca. No viene de varias actos de la ópera concretamente

[@carlosmonzo4102]

Totalmente de acuerdo. Si comparamos voces siendo justos de verdad, deberíamos hacerlo con grabaciones de similar calidad de grabación y ambas en el mejor momento de su carrera. Y por supuesto....... jamás, jamás, equiparar una toma de estudio con otra del directo.

[@matthewjordan9070]

I agree that Kaufman is not without his faults but it is not a fair comparison given that the recording of Kaufman is with piano and he is clearly trying to be more sensative rather than just ripping. Also "disgusting" seriously... let's keep it civil.

[@ciupotto]

i microfoni hanno rovinato la lirica...sono diventati famosi cantanti da repertorio leggero passando come lirici spinti o ancora peggio drammatici e inoltre le nuove scuole di canto hanno fatto diventare baritoni i veri tenori drammatici

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

Кто поет в микрофон,теряет ежедневно свой голос..30 процентов голоса уже потеряно

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

Мужчина может петь двумя голосами и тенором и баритоном

[@rogerwhite95]

I've never understood the raves over his voice. Yes, he could sing the right notes and his voice was pleasant enough, but dull. On his best day, he had absolutely no ring, no brilliance of tone, so requisite if a tenor is to be exciting. I always felt that he was basically a baritone.

[@ClergetMusic]

He’s faking dramatic tenor by making a darker sound. He’s no baritone, but he’s trying to sound more like one: to the detriment of his voice.

[@bk818]

he had absolutely no ring, like Tenor, italian shoool Pavarotti, Reimondi, Giacomini, Gigli, Mario del Monaco ect

[@alf5835]

You know, a sentence needs to identify a subject. If all your sentences refer to "him" or "he", how can we know who you're talking about?

[@rogerwhite95]

@@alf5835 My bad - I think most opera fans would have known by the description alone - but I only watched a little of the video and thought it was exclusively about Jonas Kaufmann.

[@mtrmann]

@@rogerwhite95 - I don't blame you for not wanting to waste your time listening to Kaufmann caterwaul for five minutes.

[@edigabrieli7864]

Kaufmann Karaoke night! Live from Harry's lounge bar near Kennedy Airport.

[@hallu6666]

Kaufman’s final Vincero comes out as if he has gobbled a stinking frog and is about to throw up. You don’t portray victory with a contorted face like that. 😂 It makes you feel sorrier for the frog than Kaufman.

[@larrychan622]

Kaufmann could have been a truly legendary Tenor, unfortunately early in his career, he listened to bad managers and agents who kept claiming that he could sing anything. NOBODY can sing everything. Kaufmann almost burned himself out, but managed to pull himself back from the precipice of complete ruin. Now he relies very heavily on technique and vocal trickery to maintain an illusion of still possessing a viable singing voice. The opera world has a history of burned out singers who sought out to be super stars, a trend which I think started around the 1980's or thereabouts. Singers are only commodities to agents and managers. Only the smart ones have the fortitude to stand up to these people and say NO, I am not ready for a particular role. Many of the old school singers have long preached this philosophy, take the slow path and permit your voice to mature and be cautious of what roles you undertake. Too many young singers nowadays are like bulls in a china shop with no finesse and no solid technique in place. Lots of theatrical hysteria and overly dramatic gestures and other nonsense.

[@leonardoiglesias2394]

Please please. Dont compare Lennon-McCartney with Roy Black. Just leave Lennon-McCartney in peace. Dont use them. You dont need a master as Giacomini to beat Kaufmann….. Kaufmann is just a bad joke for classical music and opera lovers. Like many many others today. A foul system. It is the business of the concert agents system….and the infinite ignorance of the masses. That is why people still buy Kaufmann.

[@Sabi1970]

Da gibt es natürlich nur einen Sieger G. G.! Trotzdem eine Frage, die mir manchmal kommt, was hätte Arturo Melocchi aus Kaufmanns Stimme gemacht! Wäre er mit einem guten Lehrer in die Ahnenreihe der großen Tenöre aufgestiegen? Heute, heute ist alles anders! Da ist der Einäugige unter den Blinden der König! Danke für Ihre Arbeit, ein Laie und stiller Genießer! Alles Gute für das neue Jahr!/All the best for the New Year!

[@quecksilber457]

Was hätte Karajan daraus gemacht? Pavarotti sagte mal, er wäre niemand ohne Herbert von Karajan. Ich weiß, Melocchi war Gesangslehrer von Del Monaco. Das sind zwei paar Schuhe. Dennoch.

[@gabrieleertl8085]

Als Laie sollte man sich am besten gar nicht äußern wenn nur Müll heraus kommt. Zugegeben: ein Nessun Dorma möchte man anders hören und diese Darbietung ist eher ernüchternd. Doch kennt man allerdings auch dieses famos gesungen von Kaufmann. Seine Gesangstechnik war immer beispiellos. Er ist (zwar von dem großartigen Helmut Deutsch begleitet) hier wahrlich nicht in ,"Best"-Form. Da ist man von Kaufmann anderes gewöhnt. Doch ist jeder Mensch nicht jeden Tag in Bestform, was jedoch von Sängern erwartet wird und wenn ein Liederabend anberaumt ist, so findet er statt, es sei denn der Intetpret ist wirklich krank. Und heutzutage wird alles überall aufgezeichnet und eingestellt, auch wenn es mal besser nicht getan worden wäre. Kaufmann ist auch mittlerweile 53, kann auf ein sehr breites Repertoire zurückblicken und seine Auftritte sind nicht zu zählen. Bei vielen anderen Sängern haben die Stimmbänder schon eher gestreikt. Jedoch ausgerechnet dies für einen Vergleich mit irgend einem anderen von unzähligen grandiosen Tenören auszuwählen, ist völlig daneben. Hier wäre - wenn schon jemand unbedingt vergleichen will - eher ein Vergleich mit einer früheren Aufnahme (Nessun Dorma) von Jonas Kaufmann angebrachter gewesen, obwohl selbst das dann geschmacklos und albern ist. Und wenn Kaufmann ein "so schlechter" Tenor ist, wieso ist er dann u.a. auch für den grandiosen Jonathan Tetelman ein Vorbild? Da kann man sich mühevoll eine gute Gesangstechnik erarbeiten und Jahrelang eine beeindruckende Leistung bringen, wenn man nicht so gut wie gewohnt ist, wird man sogleich geächtet und fallen gelassen - vor allem von dem Publikum, das gar nicht weiß, was zur Technik des Operngesangs alles gehört und diese zarten Stimmbänder müssen Jahrzehnte funktionieren

[@Sabi1970]

@@gabrieleertl8085 Intensiver JK Fan? Müll als Argument? Nun ja, jedem seine Meinung, KZbin macht es möglich! Ich habe nichts gegen Kaufmann! Nur, ich habe einige der Besten seit 1966 (19 Jahre alt Live erleben dürfen, Giacomini war auch dabei, von Corelli, del Monaco, Bergonzi, Pavarotti usw., usw. ganz zu schweigen! Das schärft die Sinne, selbst als Laie! Übrigens, das selbe Phänomen bei den Damen! Wo ist die neue Tebaldi, Callas, Zeani, usw....! Weit und breit Gesangswüste! Wo ist das Wissen von großen Gesangspädagogen wie Elvira de Hidalgo und Carmen Melis hingekommen? Ich habe seit Ende der 90er kein Opernhaus mehr betreten, ich weiß warum! Nix für ungut!

[@StevePollack-j1f]

This is one of the most stupid and low-based comparisons of "vocal technique" I have seen. Kaufmann is NOT an Italian-style tenor, nor should he be expected to be - he comes from the German vocal style (and this particular clip is obviously not his best). Giacomini brought the entirety of his voice to both his lower and upper ranges. Using these clips in comparison to each other is like trying to compare Gedda to Corelli or Richard Tucker to Pavarotti. One would hopefully not compare Fisher-Dieskau to Cesare Siepi, but those who liked Dieskau's Don Giovanni did so because he brought his own personality to it - I saw Siepi do it live, at his peak, and people thought he "owned" that role. On the other hand, Siepi would not have tried to sing the Britten War Requiem or Wozzeck. Both Kaufmann and Giacomini have had great impact in their careers, both had flaws and faults, but they are both human. It does no good to help us to these false conclusions by giving us these biased, pumped-up comparisons that really mean nothing except that you have some personal axe to grind. Corelli was famous for having bad days, Del Monaco ended up barking music with Maria Callas, Jon Vickers often scooped notes and Bjoerling drank too much - but they are each held up in reverence for their great moments, that should NOT denegrate from their wonderful achievements.

[@ZENOBlAmusic]

Corelli was not famous for having bad days, he was known for being very consistent. He would simply cancel if he had a bad day. You are inventing issues for older singers. Del Monaco always had a very forceful style, he could at least be heard in an opera house. Kaufman is singing Italian repertoire, that is why he is judged on that repertoire, that is fair enough. If he did not sing popular Italian repertoire then he would not judged. This video of Kaufman was obviously produced and staged. He uses a microphone next to a piano. Even if you have a bad day, an operatic tenor should not need a microphone next to a piano.

[@aliciarealp]

Inmenso, Giacomini.

[@riccardobarreca8066]

Lo sappiamo da tempo che Kaufmann non porta la voce in maschera ed è ingolato in maniera oscena. Che si può fare? Spegnere l'audio quando canta se è in una trasmissione in diretta, non comprare né dischi né biglietti di teatro se è nella Compagnia di Rappresentazione. Purtroppo questo è il Paese dell'Ignoranza... Comunque questa di Giacomini non è tra le migliori interpretazioni. In ogni caso, si dovrebbero insegnare nelle scuole, nel programma di educazione musicale, i principi base del canto che, a quanto mi consta, quasi nessuno conosce.

[@petrdolejsi6839]

Giacomini e perfetto!! Kaufmann e malato?

[@alessandrozimic8974]

La voce di Giacomini immensa,un po alterno nelle sue prestazioni e forse ha pagato un po questa cosa,ma la concorrenza era maggiore ai suoi tempi! Kaufmann purtroppo in calando.un nessun dorma cos,ì per lo più registrato...la fama e la ricchezza a volte fanno perdere l'obiettività di sé stessi.

[@mariarosariaamodio9639]

Io credo che Kaufmann potrebbe riprendersi se solo avesse l'umiltà di fermarsi e rivedere il proprio impianto tecnico. Ha una voce meravigliosa, dei pianissimo invidiabile, è davvero un peccato. Mi spiace tanto per lui.

[@kling-kling6270]

@@mariarosariaamodio9639 Unfortunately, his italian style is not what one expects from the ,,best'' . I have always thought he makes the ,,parlando'' from the recitativi sound like sung ,,in slow motion''. Same with this recording, he makes just sounds, one after the other and not a performance ( besides the fact he probably had a bad day)

[@c.m.b.wagnerbariton9232]

From when is the Kaufmann recording?

[@raulcesari4115]

Ma stiamo scherzando? Non si può mettere a confronto un gigante con un discreto dilettante appena al di sopra di me quando mi faccio la barba.

[@albertcombrink3717]

Another video NOT comparing Apples with Apples. Two different types of singer. Two settings, two accoustics, two recording levels. You are comparing a close-up - and unflattering - recording with a distant - and forgiving microphone. One swallow does not a summer make, and one bad recording does not make a singer a bad singer. By the way, I HATE the Giacomini finale - he scoops and constricts the sound and basically gorillas the note out instead of trying to cover it. Simply a bad day for Kaufmann. They all had one - and it seems you specialise in finding only those recordings.

[@jiso5232]

Any recording of Kaufmann trying to sing dramatic repertoire is horrible. Instead of developing his voice, he chose the easy way and became a microphone singer with a fake-darkened voice. No core, no squillo, constriction. His voice doesn't project. Now he faces strong vocal deterioration captured on this recording.

[@kimwhyte4485]

Neither is remotely "Old School". Kaufmann is appalling

[@trueself1752]

One of the reason is the pianist's playing. He is playing this aria like a song that gives the singer wrong ideam

[@Seraphatum]

Criticise and mock Kaufmann as much as you want, dear armchair opera singers. But in the end its Kaufmann who sings at the worlds most renowned stages, not you. Get over it. Listen to the old masters but please be kind and give current artists the chance to breath and evolve. Different times, different styles as it always was since the beginning of the world.

[@Leunam49]

The microphones nowadays are of the highest quality.

[@mariacarmengonzalo703]

Maravilloso tenor Giuseppe bravooo

[@pascalcorazza9972]

Jonas Kaufmann is absolutely not a fake tenor. He IS a professional world class operatic tenor, the is no argument against that. He i a tenor and he sings opera. Fake is what you call pop singers attempting to sing opera, like the awful sarah brightman. it makes me want to tear off my ears. Or those European shows similar to the voice (might actually be the voice, can't remember) where pop singers 'sing' opera. that is also just frustrating to hear, and that is what you call a fake opera singer. I actually don't get why people make these videos about kaufmann or other singers??? why can't you enjoy two singers. i listen to, and enjoy hearing, many different opera singes because many different opera singers sound great. you know, you are actually allowed to enjoy any other tenor just as much as you do giacomini. and as soon as you get over that mental block, then you will truely start enjoying many various operas out side of what you are used to, and you will be very surprised at how much you have been missing out on.

[@amandajean7738]

What did Brightman do to you?😂

[@Todd_O_SOP_3465]

Несравнимо, один поёт другой имитирует, не понятно зачем!

[@Tenorgeiger]

I compare Kaufman to Hildegard Behrens who also had a good voice but used it disastrously wrongly.

[@crazyorganist1609]

Behrens used her voice much better than Kaufman does. She didn't destroy her voice either. Behrens was a Wagnerian and Straussian soprano

[@jiso5232]

@@crazyorganist1609 Behrens sang Wagnerian roles, but she wasn't a Wagnerian soprano. Her voice was not only smaller than the voice of real Wagnerian sopranos, but also smaller than many Mozartian sopranos.

[@g_vezz]

Kaufmann is a crooner.

[@sirystio]

Не самая лучшая запись Кауфмана, я бы даже сказал самая худшая... Зачем Вы так? Кауфман прекрасный певец, трогает душу. Джакомини это чистый природный техник. По мне один из лучших драм теноров. Кауфман явно часами слушал Джакомини, т.к в своей карьере пытается ему подражать.

[@grantyoungblood7895]

Does anyone know when that Giacomini performance of Calaf was recorded?

[@richarddenny5340]

it's amazing how many experts concerning tenors there are. Old School Jealousies is more suitable for this'forum'

[@Carlskwell]

This comparison doesn't work at all. One is singing with piano in a church one in an opera house. One is an allrounder, who sings german, italian and french repertoire, one is not. One is also a Lieder Singer, one is not. I get, that you don't like Kaufmann, but he clearly makes opera popular, he clearly has an insane repertoire range. (Lied der Erde both parts... Never done before). To use the word "disgusting" in this context just shows a lack of any decency or knowledge about singing.

[@vdaniel2509]

That's right! Two different habits, two different voices, GG is a full tenor, JK is a dark tenor, with baritone influences. I think JK is really a baritone with a large vocal range or ambitus!

[@giselamarch1994]

Gee, I am surprised how many experts on tenors are in this world. I am sure all this complainers could do better. Lets hear it, you experts.

[@mickey1849]

We are discussing a certain style of singing which is basically singing with a depressed larynx, which results in a hooty or woofy kind of sound in the singing, absence of squillo, and washed-out volume. Though there is a segment of opera listeners who actually like to listen to this style and think it sounds very good. By the way, I know my voice is good because other people tell me so, not because I arrived at that conclusion independently.

[@giselamarch1994]

@@mickey1849 My reply was not directed towards you. It was to point out all those complainers who always try to find something wrong, whether it is language, deportment, or believe or not, someone complained about bad teeth. It is exasperating. Are you a singer. I would be interested.

[@mickey1849]

I know there are certain excellent people out there--such as FMT, Barone Vitello Scarpia, et. al.--who would characterize voce en gola (singing from the throat) strictly as "woofing," or an incorrect form of singing. Of course they are correct. But for purposes of exploring this phenomenon more deeply I do not believe it is inaccurate to also characterize this as a certain "style" of singing too. After all, Giuseppe Giacomini made a 30 year career out of it; and Jonas Kaufmann doesn't seem to be far behind him, though his voice may cave-in before his age catches him. Truth is, there are a certain segment of opera listeners who enjoy listening to this type of fake heroic singing, no matter what the rest of us might think. There has been a fan base of sorts for these singers to tap into and live off of. So I think it is not inaccurate to refer to this as a certain "style" of singing. 😐

[@quecksilber457]

I believe you are right. That version of Jonas was not as good as the one of Giacomini. But i really hate to compare shitty really old recordings with newer ones. It's more noise than anything else.

[@Oldschoolsingers]

People think that Kaufmann is the greatest tenor of the century, we need to show that he's shit, just a mediocre handsome tenor with nice colour (from birth) and a very bad technique. He's one of the best examples of the worst period of opera

[@quecksilber457]

@@Oldschoolsingers Well i won't say he is shit. But he is far from being the best. Juan Diego Flórez has a chance to get on par with the great names of the past. But he also needs some more years.

[@quecksilber457]

@@Oldschoolsingers Oh and it is the worst period for any media. There is only shit coming out lately. Equal if music, movies, tv-shows or even games. I won't even start with literature.

[@nndimitry]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 laughing in Bjorling, Caruso, Gigli, di Stefano, Corelli high C's and del Monaco high B flats 🤣🤣🤣🤣 greatest tenor of the century bullshit. Even low grade tenors from the 50's-60's have better quality voice than Kaufmann.

[@AnshaAbdul]

@@quecksilber457 omg florez is even worse than kaufy...

[@Duketributechannel]

To compare or not to compare.. etc etc... La verita' e' una sola signori... Non c'e' proprio partita !

[@sylvain_10beringer29]

WHAT A DISASTER this guy Kaufman at the end he is completly out of order near to do a falsetto when i hear so much people say "Kaufman is the greatest tenor of his time" i can find better tenor when i want less known but better Giacomini is so far greater than him

[@gustavohenriquesp1]

The adjustment that the two are making is similar, artificially darkening the voice, withdrawing the tongue and lowering the larynx with the lifting of the velum. Old school is represented by Antonio Paoli or Tamagno, Gigli, Tito Schipa. The American school broke with the Italian tradition and this ugly sound started to be used.

[@orion8835]

He is a soft fake tenor singer. Occasionally there is some real resonance and it is effective but it is all still woofy. It’s very dark and does not carry well. Giacomini is a ITALIAN legend and a true lyric spinto tenore.

[@draganvidic2039]

He was a dramatic tenor

[@marksmith3947]

JK has terrible vowels.

[@nicolaluporini5121]

Giacomini è un tenore quell’altro è inascoltabile con quei suoi intubati, ma chi gli ha dato credito?

[@PBXVIILY]

They are not opera singers they are POPERA singers. They have to be mic’d they will never be heard over an orchestra. Giacomo would drown them out.Kaufman is awful out of tune and wobbly.

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

Микрофон добил его голос,прекрасный красивый драматический тенор-микрофоны убивают голоса

[@zafarshodiyev2372]

Jonas Kauffman in the best 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@gabrieleruffini4884]

I could listen to Giacomini several times in theatre in Trieste and in Rome. I have always been a big fan of him. IMHO he had some similarity for what concerns the color of the voice and the intensity with the great Franco Corelli. I think that Giacomini wins easily this comparison with Kaufmann even if maybe Kaufmann (that I consider a good tenor, anyway) is not at his best in this recording.

[@alessandradiana6657]

Tt in gola kauffman 🤦‍♀️

[@raphaelhudson]

Giaomini would kick you in the balls for misuing his name and voice like this. Giacomini had a great respect of the sacred art of opera and its spiritual aspects. He would never have depreciated another great singer in this childish way.

[@darklord220]

He would have never done such a comparison, as it would be impolite, but I doubt he'd be okay with characterizing Kaufmann as a Calaf. Kind does not mean lacking in discernment!

[@raphaelhudson]

@@darklord220 he would probably have thought Kauffman was not the right weight for that role to be ideal . But remember when giacomini was in his prime people were still singing everything no matter what their fach, he would not have thought it unusual for Kauffman to do it. Kauffman is a lot more aligned with technical philosophy than most singers today. Giacominis idea was not to smash everyone in the face with a big squillante sound, he was upset people thought that . He wanted to sing everything connected to a deep core as in singing from the heart and move the spirit of people with his singing. He really distances himself from the more blatant side of melocchi technique. Kauffman does that very well, perhaps he avoids squillo and stays lyrical a bit too much, but he's one of the few singers alive that takes the music seriously, does all the dynamics and is always musical. But you know even the balls to the wall melocchi tenors were not going around wanting others to sing like that. I studied with martinucci who really is from that full on school, but the singer he admired was Domingo, who TIO make fun of, because he thought Domingo sang everything authentically with his own voice. Serious singers geneally don't go around looking to put down others like a insecure teenager, they are confident in their own art and don't need to ridicule others

[@СветланаЗабаева-я7б]

@@darklord220 согласна,они знают какая тяжёлая работа оперное пение-и уважают труд другого певца,желая добра и удач

[@trueself1752]

Right, Jonas is not good here. But, he is great in other vidoes.

[@maciej1177]

I can agree only with one think, that wasn't the best Kaufmans day. And he fail badly at last high note, but he have really dissent voice.

[@ИсломОзодов-ы7к]

I'm not claiming that Kaufman is better than Giacomini, anyways he's not that disgusting

[@andrasfarkas1276]

Kaufmann's career and voice is an artifical-constructed imitation. Makes me sick to hear him.

[@mickey1849]

The saddest thing is that even HE believes he sounds good. Robert Clary (Corporal Lebeau, on "Hogan's Heroes) got me all clear on this in an interview I saw of him on YT. He said that at one point he had incorporated some tap dancing into an act he had in Paris (he was a Parisian from birth). He believed he was the greatest tap dancer ever. But looking back on it in the interview he said, "You know, I really sucked at tap dancing. But whenever you do something in show business you've got to think you're the greatest at it just to keep your ego and your belief in yourself going. The fact is, I wasn't a good tap dancer at all."

[@marksmith3947]

Kaufmann is very bad but in a puzzling way. I just can't imagine what anyone likes about his singing. With someone like Marylin Horne, for example, i understand why some like her and why others don't. With JK its just baffling