VR vs TRIPLES in Sim Racing - How to DECIDE? - Feat. Pimax Crystal

[@doonavin]

Didn't see your poll, but I've gone VR and can't go back. My brain tells me it's just a game on a monitor. My stomach actually sinks on the Nordschleife in VR.

[@LeonardoDG2084]

Indeed!

[@JZStudiosonline]

I just tried the Quest 3 for a week and took it back. I can't begin to understand how people say this like somehow it isn't obvious it's still a game in VR. It's neat, but it's too much hassle, too expensive, too uncomfortable and realistically doesn't add much.

[@nololol]

@@JZStudiosonline a 3d image with depth and elevation change is always superior....what actually happened is you suck with computers, probably didn't use a link cable (airlink is blurry and laggy for sim), and didn't use it long enough to get over the possible stomach/eye problems.

[@alexanderdiak]

@@JZStudiosonline i did the exact same thing. bit of a hassle, and not very comfortable for long races

[@DesyDesotell]

Makes it worth it every time.

[@b.s.7693]

Some facts for VR newcomers: while wearing a VR headset, you see the game world in real 3D and all objects in 1:1 scale. It just feels like you are IN the game. You DON'T have the feeling to have displays very close to your eyes, like some people might think.

[@ZoltanF1LH]

With VR I got motion sick and headset was also uncomfortable after 30 minutes. It wasn't a great headset admittedly so I'll give it another go when they improve. I also find VR prohibitive with needing the best spec PC to run it acceptably and all the fiddling that you have to do to set it up 😒

[@b.s.7693]

@@ZoltanF1LH motion sickness is something to overcome. This is because your eyes see movement, but your body doesn't feel it. But once your brain get used to it, you will not have problems anymore.

[@ZoltanF1LH]

​@@b.s.7693I'll have to give it another try at some point

[@KoplingID]

@@ZoltanF1LH Remember to stop when you feel sick, do not force yourself. Next time you'll feel less sick. At this point I feel nothing even when I was only playing at 36fps

[@PazLeBon]

yes u do

[@TheGeekZone]

I’m using a Quest3 in iRacing. And sometimes I forget it’s just a game. It feels so immersive. The feeling of driving wheel to wheel is full 3D is just something else.

[@ruds0n895]

Would you be so kind to elaborate on your setup?

[@Devloup]

im with you i can even feel my heart beating on adrenaline when im in a dangerous overtake. also going from a slow car like formula vee after getting used to it, to a formula 4 car feels like you re going to die haha

[@Devloup]

​@@ruds0n895my setup is rtx 3080, ryzen 5800x3d and ts pc racer wheel and base with t-lcm, i have oculus link cable and quest 3 with a bobo vr halo strap and silicone face cover

[@seanberry1]

I've been using VR since the Oculus DK2 released. Before I got it, everyone was telling me that I'd need to be constantly troubleshooting and messing around with settings, etc. but the reality was; I plugged it in, configured it, and it worked. Apart from the odd restart when weirdness happened, it has been a painless experience.

[@PazLeBon]

thats still a minority

[@Gthornby]

I also have DK2 kit. It still works in modern games? not used it for many years. My first time playing with it was on half life 2 and alien isolation back in mid/late 2000's (had to do some file modification to get them to work) My first impression was "I'm not going back to triple screens" games felt more immersive, like I'm not looing at a monitor, I'm' actually in the game! Funny experience with alien isolation on VR, alien jump out at me, I totally forgot where I was, scared the living daylights out of me and I fell over backwards from natural reaction bashing my head against a wall. Didn't play that on VR again for a while. lol

[@seanberry1]

@@GthornbyI honestly have no idea - I put it back in its box and stashed it when I got the CV1 and haven't looked at it since. I'll have to plug it back in one day and see

[@Retheraq]

@PazLeBon intelligence is definitely a curse on a minority. One of the few benefits from it, however, is the ability to solve problems 😉

[@PazLeBon]

@@Retheraq oh for sure, ,intelligence manifests in many different ways. Tho we still need the basics of those thought processes in place

[@nickward5130]

I started on a single monitor on GT5 and ran that for about 7 years before getting a Oculus Rift and loved it instantly. Things have come a long way and about a year ago I went to an HP Reverb G2 and have loved it. No more screen door. No way I could go back. I tried to recently and had to get the headset out. Awesome way to go

[@dimitrisingels7071]

I started with triples, and later went VR with the Quest 2. Definitely a step up in immersion, but also not too comfortable and unsharp. I left it for two years, and actually tried to sell it. A month ago I picked it up again and tweaked the hell out of it. I have a 2080 super, so no powerhouse. But I got it working to a degree that it now is too good to not use it anymore. But still, for me it is triples AND VR. They work both in it's own context...

[@TheEPICskwock]

Just wait until you try out a quest 3. Clarity from my quest 2 to quest 3 is a big difference. You know how the quest 2 has a sweetspot of clarity? Well with the quest 3, its like the whole lenses is the sweetspot haha

[@dimitrisingels7071]

@@TheEPICskwock I believe that without a doubt. But the question then is, would it still play nicely with my 2080super?

[@GameKingFaiz]

Don't have room for triples, so VR is perfect for me!

[@ukaszenkowwiernowolskicz4321]

For me too

[@Jonny._.]

Long runs in VR gets straining to me even its the most immersive.I use triples more than my VR headsets. I love both.

[@benfrese3573]

Yeah, in the end triple screens are better when competitiveness is the main goal. VR is more immersive.

[@chrisbennett228]

A nice sensible comment

[@justgames3138]

Look into the bigscreen vr headset it in my opinion is best for Sims because of the light weight and high resolution.

[@ErnieGaming]

I do simracing exclusively in VR since about 2017 and i can't go back.😎 And yes, you have to deal with some shortcomings in comparison to monitors. It can be slightly more uncomfortable wearing a VR headset for hours (or in other words ... it can get sweaty).😓 This also depends on the headset. My Bigscreen Beyond is much more comfortable than a very heavy Pimax Crystal. And yes, you have to handle all your dials and buttons on your steering wheel or button boxes blindly. You have to get used to this, but it's not impossible. And even if your FOV is way smaller than on a triple monitor setup, looking around in VR feels pretty natural and isn't a dealbreaker. All the shortcomings aside, racing in VR rewards you with the best immersion you can get. The virtual world feels 1:1. And because all is in 3D you get a better sense for distances, elevation, braking points etc.

[@ballaking1000]

I put on a fireproof racing suit covering all but the eyes and nose. VR stays nice and dry while I swim : )

[@mrDJKdnb]

I find it is quicker to get in the 'zone 'in VR but I can play more comfortably for a longer time with screens.

[@supermayneracing]

I had a quest 2 and did not enjoy VR racing games , it gave me a headache cause it wasn’t clear and felt like I was straining my eyes. However after a mate got a quest 3 and a few discussions decided to get the quest 3. It absolutely blew my mind. I all of a sudden felt like I was in a race. Racing on a screen feels like you are playing a game. But I do agree with what you said once you go into the VR world everything or everyone disappears and I don’t really like that feeling.

[@khawajadotd]

I'm training for real racing, so VR is the clear winner. I didn't have the configuration issues you mentioned. Took me 30 minutes to install the app, update game settings, and get into my first race.

[@jase3d1]

I've always used a valve index for racing and have had triple 27s and triple 32s .. not until I changed to triple 55s that I think it's as good if not better than VR due to how wide FOV can be where the back edges are already behhind my head. When I put my VR back on, the fov still feels like I'm wearing a helmet. Also had a bigscreen beyond for a few weeks and returned them as they're definitely wasn't as good as triple 55s.

[@simonoregan4744]

Just got the quest 3 for sim racing. Already had my triple screen stand, but Im emigrating soon so avoiding getting more gear at the moment. I will no longer be going triples. Just uninstalled all of my non VR games. Nothing compares to being in the actual car. Pimax headsets look too uncomfortable. Raced 20 hours this weekend with the Q3. Took me 3 weeks to get everything dialed in and set up ti where I want it. But hardly any discomfort using the quest 3 for that length of time. Did buy a aftermarket head strap. Love the pancake lenses on the Quest 3. Threw up from motion sickness on my 3rd day. It took.2 weeks and now I no longer suffer from motion sickness. i may get the Big Screen VR headset. Comfort is everything especially because of the length of time I spend in my rig

[@Armitage574]

I am also thinking about switching to the beyond, still using my vive pro from 2020 XD but its slowly showing its age.

[@michaelbuckers]

Pimax is definitely the least comfortable headset right now. The sheer weight puts a ton of stress and physical pain on your nose bridge while turning the head rapidly, and the scalp areas under the headstrap start to ache after a couple of hours. The only way it can be comfortable to wear is if it had an actual racing helmet form-factor. That said, it has unmatched FoV and resolution, which is extremely important in VR. If you can get conditioned to the unwieldy nature of Pimax, it easily blows out of the water every other headset.

[@PazLeBon]

you realise you aint in the actual fkn car right? lol

[@simonoregan4744]

You realise we are not actually having this fkn conversation right ? From the looks of it just as well. And yet here we are@@PazLeBon

[@TRX25EX]

@@PazLeBon Shut up

[@mgrization]

I raced a quadruple stint at Bathurst 12 hours in VR! It was not as though as I thought, I just need a cup holder to have fluids close by. I have very limited space, so triples is not an option. Hardware is really important, going below 80 fps is not good for the head. The new rain system in iracing is freaking awesome!

[@Daeva83B]

I just wanna brag, i'm just happy :) For me it's VR! For the first time in my life i'm finally happy with my setup. Got a quest 3, racing in automobilista 2... Combine that with crew chief and it almost feels real!! I even talk to the app and it gives me info. It's very immersive, i love it! Before i was always messing around, trying to get it smooth and looking good at the same time, but ACC for example.. You need a beefy computer for that. Anyway driving in VR, when it works and it works smooth, it's just awesome! I use no extra assists, just me and the car and my spotter :) I can't go back, i never was able to drive on a flatscreen.

[@greatkingrat]

Wow you covered all of the points really well. I have a Reverb G2 and a RTX4080 and I use it for both sim racing, flight sim, and American Truck Simulator. I am used to VR so I can play for hours without strain or dizziness. One additional consideration for VR is if the user wears glasses, many headsets say that they support glasses but they are pretty awful at it. I instead have lenses from HonsVR that are made with my prescription which is a much better solution there.

[@PilotGigi]

I’m an airplane pilot and I love racing as well!! What I find is that in vr you really feel into the game, and your perspective is like the real thing. But for long sessions I use my single screen. I guess it’s a matter of size and weight of the headset. They should all go the way of big screen with a tiny headset!!!

[@brzijoe6700]

Just small correction from my crystal experience; hot-swap of batteries kills game and vr in 1second. Often I have to resatart PC to start crystal again. It is my second unit, booth were same behaviour.

[@aj2228]

I have a very comfy gaming chair and sometimes I fall asleep or take a nap in the game chair. Falling asleep with a VR headset on and waking up is a surreal experience.

[@raphaelprivate9519]

thnks for the viedo :) I just hope that the WOW effect I had when upgrading from the Oculus Rift S to my actual HP Reverb G2, will be the same from my actual HP to the just ordered Pimax Crystal.... ^^

[@Wilayaat]

I have a super ultra wide AND a Quest 3. Both have pros and cons but I find myself using the monitor far nore. Quicker to get going, better graphics & fps, less hassle. However for immersion and better track visualisation VR is way ahead.

[@KiLDELTA]

I love both my Quest and Pico. I only play VR for SIM racing. True that it will take a while to do the set up especially if one only has mid range set up. But in the end it is so worth it.

[@rbzpov]

i just got in to sim racing a few months ago, while pricing out everything i wanted and all different options to be able to build my dream set up over time i decided to go with vr for now, monitors can be pricey and i just went with a quest 2 (cheap and simple option) and i know people complain about the graphics, sure it doesn't look perfect, but to me the immersion with not perfect graphics and a cheaper option than 3 monitors or a nice ultrawide is a great way for me to start while i build the pieces of a full sim around me. might have to put the crystal in my list to look in to down the road when i upgrade

[@JZStudiosonline]

I got a used 48" OLED off craigslist for $200. It cost me ~$550 for the low-end quest 3. Somehow that price comparison doesn't quite add up.

[@abecede4389]

@@JZStudiosonlineI guess rbzpov was talking about calculating triple screen. So three monitors, and you also need a way to exactly adjust them to your rig which needs a couple of aluminium profiles, VESA mounts etc. It really does add up when considering triples.

[@rbzpov]

@@JZStudiosonline quest 2 is 250 and if one monitor is 200 multiply that by 3 brother its not that complicated

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@rbzpov It's not $250 new and around here even used it's not less than $350.

[@rbzpov]

@@JZStudiosonline its currently $240.68 on amazon

[@DesyDesotell]

I had been bouncing back and forth from triples, to VR, to even ultrawide monitors. As I've gotten older and have less free time to do sim racing, I've decided that I just want to have fun with it. And the way VR sucks me into the race can not be beat by any screen. It is a pain not having sight of my keyboard and stream deck (as a button box), but it's worth the trade-off. Plus, since I have less time, I usually just do fixed racing on iRacing or single player in other sims for the vibes. EDIT: Get the Quest 3 over the 2! It's a night and day difference. Convinced one of my friends to upgrade too (they also were going back and forth) and the 3 made them switch to VR.

[@PazLeBon]

utra wides deffo the besy solution of r90% of folk id say

[@Qhimadi]

the thing with VR is that some people cant stand it. But if you can it's the best experience period. For my personnal experience : the first days i could only do sessions of up to 20min, it would make me lightheaded and dizzy, then i got used to it. Some people never get used to it. Being able to see in 3D and actually see the size of your car around you greatly helps immersion and driving, also the interiors are now something you look at before you start driving. I brake so much better compared to when i played on flatscreen plus when you're turning your head it's actually happening. VR needs serious horsepower but once you set it up correctly, you never play flat again. First VR headset was a rift s in 2019, we're in 2024 , i'm using the reverb G2 ( it has flaws but once it's working it's working) and man what an experience. Assetto + competizione mainly for me.

[@FragEightyfive]

I have been sim racing on triples, 49" 32:9, single + multiple projectors and VR. After 25 years of multiple monitor setups, and 8 years of VR, I can say the way you enjoy a sim or video game is incredibly personal and up to the user to determine what they really want. That said, multi monitors usually isn't for the faint of heart. I have a lifetime of editing config files so it doesn't phase me, where the average user that is a lot to ask. VR out of the box or a single projector works the best.

[@motelghost477]

My dream sim set up is my Pimax 5k, my fanatec CSL DD wheel and a H3 motion rig, which I'll be buying next month.

[@karner1541]

And ? How is the H3 ?

[@kerryboone6344]

Just got a meta quest 2 used for acc. I highly recommend, i also only paied 200$ (og price). Thats fine woth me since it worked and had no issues and the metal quest 3 is like 500.

[@merik1991]

Triples is actually good if you race and do decals too,because you can have one screen for drawing program,one for to be able to see the car real time and another for inspirations/random show or music playing to get in the zone. :D

[@MrKlawUK]

for FOV I don’t think we need 160 degrees on VR, but some solution for peripheral vision would be valuable - eg lower res LCDs to create ‘motion’ that your brain will notice, and then you can look in that direction for more detail. I think that could help a lot bridge the gap with the triples

[@kannonfps]

Recently got into vr thanks to my father who gave me is acer ah101 and i'm not going back to triple, it's not the most "fluid" experience sometimes especially when you try to stream but it's definitely worth it if you're looking for the most immersive experience, i'm not playing in any competitive environment so i can't say how good it is but yeah i'm having a blast. One thing to note is that it can get straining really quick though, in my case i can play for about 2h max without a break when in comparison i can play for all day long without a break on triple screens. Time of day also affect (in my case at least) how long i can play, i find that driving night time touge is by far the most straining (even if it's a blast) i think the fact that VR is more straining is a good thing though cause i'm not spending nearly as much time playing but when i do i'm having the time of my life and enjoy the tiniest things like looking to the side to see your buddy flying past you on the shutoko freeway is one of these things. You definitely need a better pc for VR compared to triple or you'll have to lower graphics by quite a lot but it's definitely worth it, i haven't really done time attack yet so i cannot talk about "competitiveness" but overall i don't think it'll be an issue, i think it'll actually be an advantage because everything feels more "real"? Before the VR headset i didn't touch the game for multiple weeks but when i started drifting again in VR the difference was night and day. i guess the break helped in a way but the VR make it so much easier

[@Real28]

VR is better for immersion. But how do you define experience? Because I've been VR for years but it's starting to be an issue being in VR as often as I want to. All headsets except the Bigscreen are too big and too heavy. So I'm going back to triples. Once the Bigscreen gets a v2, immediately go back.

[@ZoltanF1LH]

I use a Samsung Odyssey G9 49" super ultra wide 1000R curved monitor that has the some benefits vs VR and Triple screens: - I get much higher FPS - no huge physical space required - there is no complex setup or fiddling with settings it just works out of the box - it works with every single game - it's comfortable unlike VR - it also won't make you motion sick. - it's cheaper than a decent VR or triple screen setup Cons: - although very good I don't get quite 180 degree immersion like with triple screen setup - resolution is "only" 1440p vertically - I don't get 3D perception like on VR - image at the very edges horizontally appear stretched I find it the best balance and compromise with my limited sim rig space and my PC that doesn't have the absolute best and newest tech

[@Devloup]

many people first experience with VR was quest 2 with original headstrap an airlink, so i understand why they complain but cable link quest 3 and a nice halo strap makes such a big difference, i also use a silicon cover so it goes soft on my skin

[@jamesleegte]

I’m vr only, I’m all about immersion and nothing comes close to vr when it comes to immersion! Vr gets more and more popular as each year passes. It will continue to grow as folks start upgrading their older pcs. Entry level headsets are so cheap now and there’s a whole lot of sim racers upgrading their older pcs to this or last gen gpu’s and then this gives them the option to try vr properly. I see it everyday over the last nearly four years, people upgrade to a 30 or 40 series card and one of their first next purchases is a vr headset!

[@ViktorDubaiskiy]

Using both VR (Quest pro) and 32 inches triple samsung. Running these on 4090 and now i prefer triples because of filed of view and it is more comfortable in long distance rasing

[@mementomori4972]

4090 owners are a bit like vegans. They will tell you...

[@m.g.9334]

@@mementomori4972😂

[@Watevaman]

For me the choice was easy: my 1060 can’t run VR well and my eyes lost the genetic lottery for stereo vision. I run triple 24s and love it. I could see myself going to triple 27s or 32s in the future, but that will probably come with an upgrade to my system.

[@johnmann7o2]

VR becomes even better with a motion rig. Don’t spend thousands on stationary rigs, button boxes and fancy wheels. All you need is CSL DD, bass shakers, and yaw2 or DOF. Do it right the first time.

[@speedspeederspeedest]

I have been using both a reverb g2 and a pimax 8kx (flight sims), i get much better performance with the 8kx even though the resolution is higher. What im trying to say is that cheaper vr doesn't necessary mean that you need less "juice" to run it smooth. There are so many variables, how the particular vr-set is working with the rest of your hardware, the chipset of the googles, what sims you are using it with, etc.

[@Emir_de_Passy]

Very well put together video. Danke schon

[@OverTake_gg]

Thank you! ☺️ -Michel

[@TierNoneOperator]

I got my 3 monitor setup for 240 bucks. MSI 27 inch 1080p monitors. They aren't the latest and greatest, but I can't splash out the required amount for the VR headset and system upgrades that would be needed.

[@Spider-Man62]

It really depends on the game wether I use VR or Single 16:9 screen. Some games are not that well optimized even on my 4080 rig. I am looking to get an ultrawide tho

[@13guns87]

I only got into sim racing cos of VR. Before that I played more arcade racing games like burnout over forza ect on console. I played drive club on psvr1. It was really bad but my understanding of racing went up 500%. I ride a motorbike in life, VR gives me a similar view point. I can see the track a lot more, like when I'm on the bike. My levels of concentration are massively increased. It's just a lot more fun imo. When I'm not on VR, it's a single 55 inch 4k TV. I think my perfect set up, is a double 55 inch 4k screen set up. I think a lot don't do triples cos of the cost. Pc powerful enough to run 3, triple stand like £250 plus 3 monitors. Probably about £1k easy. That's buying cheapish monitors. My pc so under used lol. Only for VR. Legion go my pc now lol. Much lower power consumption for pc tasks. On aya2 I got down to 5w lol.

[@QrisuMies]

Also motorbike here :) But planning on going to ps5/gt7/psvr2 route. Everything is cheap and plug and play and no bluescreens and other pc problems.

[@Caldwing]

I've been playing racing games on and off my whole life, starting before real 3D graphics were a thing. Picking up VR in Dirt Rally 2.0 was like a revelation. I would listen to people talk about all these racing techniques but none of it stuck with me until I could be right there in the car and see the corners coming up. I've moved on to trying more realistic sim driving games and I am constantly surprised by how well I can do. I just can't imagine doing any of it without depth perception though. Being able to look into the turn and then bring the car into alignment with your view as you do when you drive in real life is just so nice.

[@efesiosseisdoze3770]

I used to have motion sickness. But gt7 with psvr2 was ok. Four days ago I bought the sony adapter to use it with my pc and now I can do 2 hours race without sickness… it’s insane those oled on psvr2…. cant go to my triples anymore

[@mrchilled85]

i have triples and vr tho when im streaming i just use my triples tho for doing videos and just having fun i use vr i may not have anything as good as the pimax i have the hp reverb g2 with 2160 x 2160 per eye resolution and is great for iracing , microsoft flight simulator and elite dangerous with the hp reverb g2 i find my rtx 4060 powers it fine with a lot of games getting around 90 fps in vr apart from in Daytona on iracing it drops to high 70's but that is fully maxed out settings

[@Paulie8K]

I'm lucky to have both a triple 27" 1440P setup and a Quest 3. I don't really sim race but I love ETS2 and ATS. VR is def more immersive for me so I've grativated towards that for racing/driving games. I had to reduce my desk setup to two monitors recently for space reasons so now the triple isn't an option atm. However, triple is still super cool and immersive if you don't have VR and have the space. I have a one bedroom apartment so space is of the premium.

[@LargeStyle]

If SteamVR and discussion of lens barrel distortion compensation is anything to go by, you need higher software resolution to the amount of 1.4x to 1.5x compared to hardware resolution to essentially see native hardware resolution, so the total pixel count for VR in this video is much lower than it should be.

[@Coxy-b34]

True.

[@Ollie-Chazz]

After going vr, ill never go back. There's nothing like being inside the car looking at the apex of a corner at high speed. Can't get that rush on screens.

[@EXE-wy2fg]

Would rumblers help with motion sickness? because there is perceived 'motion'

[@Deman]

For me the biggest difference is ease of use. I agree that with VR its more imersive and I do feel I drive better with it. That said the sweaty head from hours of use, the sheer amount of fiddling about with it, the adjustments of seat positions everytime you get up and sit back down makes me move towards triples or a large curved instead.

[@dataterminal]

I'm a motorcycle rider, so having a helmet on while riding in real life is just how it is, and for many professional racing on a track helmet would also be required. They get sweaty at times, so a VR headset for me isn't that bad but I can see how you'd be uncomfortable with it. As for fiddling around with it, it's not that bad. I find having to use a keyboard to access additional options while behind the wheel more of a pain in games than anything a VR headset puts me through.

[@kivanccelik51]

Is it possible to get good FPS with OK/Nice Graphics on VR with a mid-high end GPU like an RX 6800 or an RTX 3070 Ti Super? Especially in more demanding titles like ACC. I'm wondering if I should try getting a Quest 3 or should just buy three 1080p monitors for more performance? I NEVER EVER would want to go below 60 FPS. That's the dead limit for me. Summary: Mid-end VR or Triple 1080ps with a Mid-high GPU?

[@VaethOjK]

I'm currently on ultrawide. And because I like longer races (like 100% distance Daytona 500 on NASCAR or 3h endurance races) I don't really see VR weight on my neck for so many hours. Not talking about battery capacity. But I would love to to try VR one day.

[@theprof1t]

I think you nailed it when you said ideally you would have both. If money were no object, having both is ideal -- VR when you want more immersion, triples when you want to more comfort and longer sessions. Triples are still immersive! Albeit less so

[@Callsigntitan]

I am a flight simmer so I dealt with VR sickness a lot at the beginning, dramamine helped a lot. Once you try VR it's impossible to go back to screen.

[@Emir_de_Passy]

Also, newer headstts (somnium Vr1 and Varjo XR4) allow for mixed relaity environments. So you could see the expensive wheel you bought.

[@michaelbuckers]

Or you can just not bother with expensive rims and get the ones that are functional, and focus your spending on the GPU and the base.

[@TRX25EX]

Quest 3 you just double tap it and it switches to Passthrough easily

[@josearroyo7138]

Does the headsey feels hot? I use the hp ŕeverb and this one got hot.

[@MattSmith-ks2lc]

VR sounds great but is it a problem since you cannot see the physical wheel?

[@channelvr1293]

Been using VR since day one ..not going back. This together with a 3DOF system and you are in racing heaven. For sim flying nothing beats VR and a 6DOF. 😉 Ps don't have to change the batteries ever when you use a powered USB hub. Btw discussions about fov is useless in simracing. If you have ever raced with full racing gear (helmet and fireproof gear) you should know it also limits your actual fov. And can get very hot and sweaty. So if you want true immersion VR is the way to go.

[@PazLeBon]

no, real immersion is the real thing, if it iant the real thing, you remve the nasty parts

[@TRX25EX]

​@@PazLeBonShut up

[@TDR_Racing]

From single to tripple was nice...try the pico4 and that it is...but i missed the point from the i, so i take the pimax crystal and thats the point how was missing....can't drive any more on monitor and will not drive on monitor in future...the heat is a nice problem so i have 3 fans to cool my brain😅 the weight is no problem...also dsc is amazing when you make carrier start and fly...so at all try vr...but you can't go back...

[@hobbyxplorer]

I have a 50" 4k @144hz and the Quest 2 (which i hate) but cant decide on triples or upgrading to Q3. Idk about downgrading res to 2k since my eyes are so adjusted to 4k. I do love the immersion of the quest 2 but its so uncomfortable and a hassle. i wonder now a year later if the software has improved along with the new ergonomics. Triple screens just seems like too much commitment.

[@kolopier]

Eye tracking does not lower the hardware needed?

[@Anonnymouse53]

I prefer VR for immersion when combined with a motion platform. But I do often use a superwide and trackIR, which I think is an excellent experience.

[@heinrichderbauer2897]

I use vr and wide screen. For more relaxing experience i would say monitor. Vr is more intense. Also the tweaking you have to do if you dont have a 4090. 😉 But at the end its al worth it. For me some days vr and other days the wide screen. 👍🏼

[@xSTONYTARKx]

If you want a decent monitor expect to pay at least 600 to 700. So let's say 3 of those cost you around 2000, and then I didn't even mention the mounting system you'll need to keep youe monitors up and safe. Or the space it consumes. I can buy a vr headset with controllers under 1000 and it gives even more immersion. I would say unless you get motion sick from VR, it's really not even an argument which one is better.

[@Armitage574]

did you try the Bigscreen Beyond? its gaining traction within the sim racing and DCS Community fast just because its light and its ease of use. big headsets like that pimax are hopefully a thing of the past soon.. i mean ~1 kg vs 130 g; And iRacing with openXR really works best for VR; I agree with the FOV, but its not that important - VR ist just better than a screen.

[@KillCoreXD]

What about 3d monitors? Would that work for racing simulators?

[@PhiLikeFlying]

Hi. I currently use triples, but i found everytime go to turn on my PC, i lose my surround monitor configuration in the NVIDIA control panel and have to set it up everytime i turn on my PC. Is there fix for this or am i doing something wrong? Thanks

[@OverTake_gg]

Hey there, most Sims by now can be run in triple screen without nvidia surround (just needs some setting up here and there). After the initial setup, there are no such problems anymore. I also switched away from surround for the exact reason. Which sim do you need to setup? - Rene

[@PhiLikeFlying]

@@OverTake_gg Oh right. I mainly use AMS 2. When i first started up AMS2 after setting up in the Nvidia, i found the screens to be just right - i didnt need to go into the triple screen option in the game. So without using the Nvdia surround, will the screens still look the same?

[@TheMrSnipey]

Turned my VR headset on (Quest 2 and Oculus Rift), started the game and have been racing ever since. I have never touched any of the settings. I got 90fps on my old 2080, I get 90fps on my 3080ti. I am consistently faster using VR compared to triple monitors. The space savings are also huge if your room is tiny like mine is. I would like to try triple 55" monitors but I only had triple 24" 1080p monitors. I can't ever see myself going back to triples. If anything, I would just upgrade my VR headset.

[@jayk8424]

Can you not use the VR headset in desktop mode to display three monitors then size to your own requirement? There wouldn't be any annoying bezels either. VR is the best of both worlds if you can have virtual triples of any size!

[@gmantio]

I have 55" screen, I tried triples what a waste didn't feel right tried my friends Pimax..... now that felt right so i will get a good VR headset more than like the newest Pimax.

[@PinkiesBrain]

I use both but I go back n forth. But I guess when the fidelity of VR becomes just a lil bit better then I will definately stay with VR. (I just got an occulus 1) I can also say that even the lighter occulus is a lil annoying after some time. Not only because of weight but also because of heat and sweat. But still overall although I have been there dozens of times - everytime I retry my headset on ACC I think "why do I even use monitors" but after like 20 minutes its always "mh. Image is not that crisp and it is a (tiny) bit uncomfortable though not too bad.

[@hanswurst3811]

the batterie issue is a no go for a PCVR Headset for me ... its a cable conenction so i DONT WANT a batterie ... and as i know theres no dummy batterie available to eliminate this issue

[@claudiopirovano2515]

VR for life

[@mementomori4972]

Well, I use both depending on the car I'm driving. I usually enjoy single seaters and open wheelers more in VR and everything else on triples.

[@boblatouche2273]

I am considering selling the pimax crystal. there just is too much setting up while a triple monitor you sit and you press play.

[@wattouk]

VR everytime, for me. 3d vs a 2d flat image is no competition. I have tried triple monitors at a friends house and it just never felt immersive enough. In VR, you feel like you are there, but you do need to map your wheel to how you need it. If you need to look at your controls and have a Quest 3, you can set up the boundry so you can lean forward a little to see the passthrough. That's how mine is set up.

[@doncarr128]

I dont see this mentioned so much but in VR across all sims the graphical imperfections get amplified for example shimmering shadows and low res scenery textures, overly wobbly windy tree effects etc really brake my immersion. It feels like being in a computer game , where I can see how the illusion is being created . On the triples , these imperfections are harmonised and I can achieve a much more natural looking image to my eyes which gives me a greater sense of immersion. Its hard to explain but for me VR feels like looking closely at the graphical components of the game engine, not the overall scene.

[@fengel86]

Aswesome video, would love to know lf you played with Q3. Wonder if the FOV upgrade is worth in this case, or the difference is not that big

[@theoracleprodigy]

I'll tell you what Pimax is awesome no doubt... They won't stand behind there product though. I have two dead headsets, one was purchased direct from pimax but had tracking issues from day 1. They would only credit me for another headset. Do you think after two dead headsets (tracking issues) I would want another?

[@Vortigon]

Make sure you try it in VR first before spending money on a VR setup - on average 40 - 65% of people get severe motion sickness using VR in driving games making it unsable for these types of games - so don't waste your money until you test yourself first, if that is the only reason you are buying VR. Also, constant VR use can be VERY tiring. They can be hot, heavy, and cause visual stress.

[@mr.chilll5179]

It goes away, you need to train it

[@just.play1ng]

I got Quest 3 and PSVR2 and will never go back to flat screen racing, even with 3 screens it's not the same.

[@ddsracingfl]

In my opinion, this question about how long you can be in vr…? Triple screen not on your head, this is definitely differents

[@tom.m]

Everyone will be different, but even with all sorts of messed up discs and vertebrae I can wear an Index or CV1 for 8 hours or more. (Tested via space trucking in Elite.) There are people who practically live in VRChat. Of course it's less comfortable than not wearing a headset, but IMO this shouldn't be what scares people off VR. I've never ended a session because of headset fatigue.

[@crisbivolaru819]

I have both triple 27 screens and vr and i much prefer the vr . I think the future of simracing lies in vr ,you have 3d that gives better depth perception , sense of speed ,better braking points .Imagine a future where you have a 190° field of vision on a vr headset , just mind blowing and i cant wait for that future , screens on the other side will not improve by much the simulated driving experience in the next future

[@the_stig_90]

cooler Pulli, where can i buy it?

[@OverTake_gg]

The McLaren one? Its from Hollister 😁 #noad -Michel

[@brendanressler4359]

I live in a 600 square foot apartment and don't have room for a permanent sim rig. Instead I convert my desk with a folding frame and long monitor arm. Triples are a big investment but I would end up paying like $600 a month more in rent just to have the space for it (I could move out to the suburbs I guess but I'm not gonna do that). VR just seems like the perfect solution for that. I can set up my rig wherever I want and have an even larger FOV than I could ever hope to have with monitors. I'm not going to buy a $1000 headset though

[@ukaszenkowwiernowolskicz4321]

I think there is nothing better for simracing than VR. you are in this world and you feel the distance from the apex of the corner and other opponents. This is a plus and a minus because you are disconnected. Sometimes my son runs up to me to show me something and it is not convenient to take off the set every time. However, taking part in the race and riding in general, I am in seventh heaven. I think that 3 screens have no chance with VR

[@eugenecia9424]

VR glasses without DP are worse than Trippels. I have Pico4 via USBC and it doesn't run as smoothly as Trippels. I just notice a lack of VR via USBBC or VRDP. And the VOF must be at least 150 for me.

[@xameleon4842]

For FOV in VR, Pimax 8KX is the way to go. Or, like, was the way to go until it went out of sale. Now waiting for 12K. It's a pity that LITERALLY NO OTHER headset offers a similar FOV.

[@elvish4432]

Do you have a correct/ or teal to life fov system to set up triples???

[@OverTake_gg]

Sorry, not sure if I understand this correctly - for a "natural" view we linked a FOV calculator in the description! -Michel

[@elvish4432]

Thanx 😁👍OverTake😁👍

[@mickaelsflow6774]

Meh the Crystal is odd. It's supposed to be better than the other Pimax offering, but at the same time, loses on hFOV. Like... the 120-160° of a Pimax 8KX is the game changer for which I'd consider upgrading VR headset. Not for the Crystal (without the new upcoming lenses). Have you have a change to try that one? Or the StarVR One?

[@direwolf3972]

lol Bro, just finished a anime called overtake last night.. cool name and great video! Project Sim Racing uses triple 55 inch oled and he somehow has it where you can't see bezels.. disgustingly realistic! Check it out if you havent yet and keep up the great work Brother.

[@Joshprout1776]

VR is such an advantage. Once you do it it’s hard to go back to flat. For me personally I got much faster under VR, I can brake much later and hit apex better with depth of view advantage

[@dathyr1]

Triple screens just take up too much room for me. They are nice, but prefer doing VR - more immersed into the games. Have done VR racing games for many years now and really enjoy them. I do have one large HD display screen for doing many things besides racing. Thanks for the video. Take care.

[@rocketcityastro]

quest 3 is lighter and cleaper and almost the same specs it's also wireless and with a good strap upgrade i can wear it for hours.

[@kentaylor2474]

Lack of FOV in VR replicates wearing a helmet and is a benefit for immersion, not a disadvantage IMO (I have Pimax 5K with 115deg). I am actually waiting on someone bringing out a VR headset that is an actual helmet :)

[@akshayisr]

VR feels like I am actually wearing the racing helmet. Although playing for more than an hour is difficult because perspiration due to headset around eyes. I have samsung odyssey plus.

[@clebereuu]

I bought a quest 2 one month ago but on my rx580 Assetto corsa doesnt look good so i avoid playing it. ETS2 feels somewhat blurry but is better to play. The problem overall is that the VR is expensive and the PC rig has to be on par to play some games.

[@angryant4896]

guys, if you are on a thight budget you should do what I did to completely change your sim racing experience. I have little to no space in my room and I used to play on my laptop's screen, wich was terrible as it's a 16" display, literally smaller than my rim... I already spent all my budget on the wheel and pedals and I was left with 120 euros, that could have got me like a 1080p 75hz crappy monitor, but instead I choose to try and get a used Windows Mixed Reality Vr headset, they go for 60-90 euros and they don't need too much gpu power to run (I use mine with a laptop rtx 3060 at max res (1440) and max fps (90)). You will need a bit of time to set it up as you will have to do a lot of optimization to do in terms of perfomance. But I really think it's a greate deal as it let's you have a much better experience than a cheapo screen and if try it and don't like it you can very easily sell it for the same price you bought it for...

[@MartinSchmuckVR]

Love racing in VR

[@CSOCSO]

If we talk about best clarity with Crystal you need to disclose that even tho the headset's display resolution is 2880x2880 per eye but, because if the barrel distortion you need to render the game at higher resolution. Optimal resolution to get best clarity is 4300x5100 pey eye !!!!!!! Now the pixel count your computer needs to render is nearly 22million. Thats nearly as much as triple 4k monitors. Btw same goes for every headset. Quest 2 and 3 you need to set it to x1.5 resolution to have a decent clarity