From Nose UP struggles to Nose DOWN Success! | Full Lesson

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[@the-tee-less-traveled-discgolf]

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[@discsmd]

Love the progression and the mindset. Willingness to go back a step is a big deal. Great video!

[@NickCarroll]

Lot of good things in this video. The specific cues here worked for me a million times better than previous videos I've seen. That said, here is what I found interesting: 1) Rotating the disc to where it's upside down at peak reachback, and then upright like a fan by the time the disc is either at or through the power pocket, basically prevents the disc from coming up during the backswing. So the body's levers and hinges make the swoop impossible. This makes it easier to transition into a briefcase grip. 2) Kevin couldn't feel whether or not a disc was released nose up or down. This seems to be a common and confounding issue for a lot of people. Maybe next to everyone with a nose up problem. 3) The primer on what the disc does when it hits a surface like a net or screen is great at helping people see whether or not they were nose down or up, hyzer or anhyzer, was like a cheat code. You can tell whether or not you were successful before the Tech Disc announces, and it should be helpful on the course if you can see what the disc does in the air just after release.

[@Steve-hv1bg]

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[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For the algo

[@brianc1651]

Thanks. Right before seeing this, I just started finishing up. Need to add the turn.

[@discgolfallday8643]

Grip. After 6 years I finally felt a back loaded grip last round out. Instantly more nose down. Ooph. What a game changer. From now on when I introduce beginners to the game I will recommend holding the disc without using the thumb or index finger. One aspect of the game we don’t talk about nearly enough is differences between hand size and structure. For me to use a backloaded grip my index finger barely makes it over the edge of the rim, similar to my putting grip. It’s impossible for me to use a four finger power grip AND keep it back loaded.

[@hoodrich4375]

Only way I ever got the nose down was by using backloaded grip and not tucking the index finger under the rim. Only pinching between the knuckle. I believe that some people have different hand and wrist ROM (structural, not flexibility). Hooking the index under the rim forced the nose up at the end of the throw no matter what. Filmed in ultra slow motion to confirm it before I changed grip. Perfect form, perfect power pocket, perfect extension....boom nose up AFTER the hit as it pivoted out of the hand. Started with my thumb and index finger off the disc to see the nose down on tech disc. added back the thumb with light pressure. added the pinch on the index light pressure.

[@rjreliv]

Love this channel

[@erikhansen1775]

Just did my first session with this. Went from 8-10 nose up to 5-15 nose down. Definitely overshot the target angle but I didn't think it was possible to throw nose down with my wrist.. I'm looking forward to see how this translates in the field.

[@E.Williams-z9y]

Maybe use a tight beam flashlight or laser pointer to put an aim point on the screen to help with launch angle. I have a net so will try attaching a soft target. Robbie C. used a clothespin on his net.

[@E.Williams-z9y]

Just spent time trying this. It worked! Other tips and tricks failed me (or I just couldn’t get them) but I started getting very nose down pretty quickly, just like Kevin. Also, not able to keep the nose down when trying to add speed, but I know that first step is getting form right at low speed and then gradually increasing effort. For fun I tried some max effort throws and saw small improvements in nose angle. Let’s see what a couple of weeks of practice brings. Thanks much. Techdiscs are worth the money.

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[@DavidCreech-oe2ul]

I’ve been working on this for weeks since I watched the other video. I believe it was throw nose down in nine throws? I don’t have a problem turning the key to get the nose down or having a positive launch angle, the problem is putting both together. Hopefully this will help. I think I’ve been doing what Josh said at one point where I turn the key too quickly, which forces my hand downward, which then makes it almost impossible to get a positive launch angle. Back to the net and the TechDisc. Keep them coming. 😊

[@ConnerLeBeauDG]

Very helpful immediately saw results on my tech disc

[@cid5457]

I think Niklas Antilla does the same thing in reverse. Niklas starts with his arm supinated or nose down then lets the disc fall back towards a neutral nose angle. If any of your students struggle with turning the key (like I did) they might want to try the Niklas Antilla way it worked great for me.

[@DiscMaimer]

Great video! He's now throwing pretty steep hyzers. What's the next step to throw flatter and still nose down?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We just lift the disc into a flatter release. All that “extra” nose down he had accessible at the hyzer release angle will be harder to achieve towards the other end of the spectrum (it’s harder to throw nose down on anhyzer)

[@PhillipBraddy]

I'm so glad you posted this! I started working on this drill last night and quickly reached the point of nose down hyzer and was like now what lol. Trying to put the stamp onto the net is brilliant for those of us without tech disc!

[@McDroogy3]

Could we eventually see him in the field to see how the flight has changed for a full flight? I will definitely be doing this for my off season drills.

[@robertkluttz8313]

I would LOVE to see you guys do a study on technique of someone like Isaac Robinson. Isaac seems to use a different technique to get nose down. You can release it already nose down the way they are teaching in this video or you flip the disc to nose down the way Isaac does. It seems like many of his throws come out nose up, but then flip to a nose down angle about 10-15'ft after he has released it. He is using a finger flip right at release to use the gyroscopic precession aided by the finger flip get it to. Isaac uses a short stabby motion with an upward finger flip right at the point of release. If you can imagine the discs travel direction being at 12 o'clock direction and right at the point of release his hand in approximately at the 3 o'clock position, he flips the 3 o'clock edge of the disc upward right at release. Gyroscopic precession makes that actually take effect at the 6 o'clock position to raise the rear disc, but it takes about 10-15ft of travel AFTER he has already released it for the rear of the disc to raise into final position. Isaac's discs have a very pronounced upward direction of travel with a nose up attitude right at release, but the flip is so strong that after rising 5 to 6ft , that the rear kicks upward and makes the disc start traveling flat and immediately lose the upward momentum. It almost looks like isaacs throws come up 15 degrees upward, but then the forceful nose drop/tail raise make is sharply flatten out.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’ve studied Isaac’s move. He is super late with the supination and external shoulder rotation. So though it is a smaller move and happens in a much much shorter timeframe he is still doing the same thing.

[@zackp6794]

Hey, it’s OT OG Kevin!

[@joem8496]

Thats no Kevin! Thats meeeee!

[@joem8496]

Seriously you have helped me so much it's amazing. I still suck, but getting better every few months I can look back and see the progress. Slowly but surely.

[@bradbaker5707]

Go kevin!

[@aaronsnanigan571]

i got my launch angle up and my nose angle down with the whole turn the key thing on my throws, but i've gone from a 10-15 degree hyzer to a 20-35 degree hyzer angle. Any tips?

[@emilkristensen1535]

Hey guys Great stuff. Very helpfull to see actual lessons. 🙂 In regards to launch angle. What range are you aiming for, before advancing to the pronation/supination step?

[@emilkristensen1535]

Never mind. Got the answer a few minutes later. 😅🤣

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@johanmeijer85]

Every time I try this "turn the key" kinda drill, I end up throwing anhyzer. What am I doing wrong?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Releasing too far in front of you

[@johanmeijer85]

@OverthrowDiscGolf thanks, I think I also never practiced step 1 (launch angle). I guess my follow through is downwards instead of upwards. So, definitely gonna try all these steps in the right order 😉

[@NotSoFast71]

I have been playing 2 and a half years. I think I have thrown 4 shots nose down. 😂

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@Kvothe3]

I think part of the reason I became a 95% forehand player is because nose angle is so much easier to manipulate in that swing. Now I am going back and trying to become a more balanced player.

[@davidschreck6574]

Great video

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Appreciate it! Thanks

[@eliarnold6497]

This video is amazing! I am very sad you had to post it in the middle of December... Theres almost a foot of snow outside! I cant go practice this :(

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Remember us when it’s warm!

[@MA4King]

I just got a tech disc last week (I used your link) and essentially went through this same lesson based off some of your previous videos. I saw some real world differences in my game on the course this week with 30-50ft longer drives and much easier distance especially at shorter upshots. Will you do something more on speed training?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Maybe we’ll have Mikey do one

[@Corrigan65_]

Josh, do you power grip 3 fingers without index finger or 4 ?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Depends on what I’m holding

[@paulebell]

Progressions 👁️👄👁️

[@Corrigan65_]

Keeps his head down, doesn't open his chest. Form has good bones and now the nose angle is calibrating at 8 min in.

[@triplespace007]

Based off the intro nose angle, and first two throws at higher launch angle, I'm starting to question if you even need to turn a key because it was getting there slowly. I'm thinking maybe there is an ideal launch angle that just gets the disc at the right angle. I totally understand the confusion of flipping the disc over when holding the disc normally. My brain went "it's already flipped."

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Nose is in relation to launch angle

[@triplespace007]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks for the feedback.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@Christopherdavey1]

Very cool

[@luftisbollen]

Throwing nose down is easy, no no no i mean to get techdisc to show nose down is easy. 😁

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Is it?

[@luftisbollen]

Yes, just keep the disc flat to the ground and launce the disc 5 degree up, boom nose down 5 degree, just keep it flat. Just to understand the techdisc settings and how they programming it.

[@Trevlan]

I did you a disservice. My girl just bought me a tech disc and not through your affiliate link. My bad.

[@Trevlan]

Also, why are we not using his martial arts background to help him throw farther?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

All good homie. She didn’t know

[@nickbadz6987]

Yeah Metallica brother!!! Happy to see other Metalli-frolfers out there

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[@Parksart]

His shirt actually says HELVETICA like the font which makes it twice as cool!