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@jasonb21802 жыл бұрын
I have been told this often in the past - that the overtones (which I really don't always love) are what can make a snare or other drum "cut" and supply most of the tone as well. I like a dry snare, but sometimes I notice that snares with more overtones do seem to cut really well and sound great. I have a cymbal that is the same way - has a funky overtone I don't love when I am drumming without other music, but it sits beautifully in the mix. Interesting for sure. Thanks for the video!!
@Joethedrummer2 жыл бұрын
Great video comrades. I was rewatching the wonderful Chris Layton's video in which he demonstrates the essentials of his drumming. His Fibes kit is super ringy and he even plays the snare often off centre accentuating the overtones. The whole sound is so lively and open. When it switches from solo drum kit to drums plus band, the overtones blend in to the whole sound and no longer seem overwhelming. We spend a lot of time playing and practicing on our own and we can become over focused on the sound of the drums as it appears in our practice setting. So we get heavy heads and a lot of muffling to make the kit sound "good" for us in that private context. When we then take the same setup to a situation where the drums are part of an ensemble, that sound that worked for our ears in the solo setting now renders the kit no more pleasing to the ears than a series of cardboard boxes.
@jamesgugle77892 жыл бұрын
Exactly! It took me some time early on to understand that distinction, and when I did it revolutionized my playing and sound. And I started consistently getting compliments on the sound of my kit from the audience and sound engineer points of view.
@TnRProducts2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better! We are proud to support and partner with SoundsLikeADrum. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
@b.p.8792 жыл бұрын
I just ordered two sets after seeing the demo in this vid, one for home and one for a church kit!
@TnRProducts2 жыл бұрын
@@b.p.879 thank you B.P. let us know how it goes.
@HOLY_BATH2 жыл бұрын
the sound with just the fundamental is fascinating - i've found it often tempting to boost the fundamental in a given mix and this is a great way to illustrate the sound youre getting when or if you decide to do that
@weschilton2 жыл бұрын
Ha, that sound when all the overtones were removed reminds me of the drum machine programming on Man on the Corner by Genesis!
@remygaron8311 Жыл бұрын
Awesome well explained as always thanks to all of you in front and back of the cam 👏👏👏👏🤟🏼🤟🏼🥁🇨🇦
@famitory2 жыл бұрын
it's important to differentiate between harmonic overtones and partials. I'd imagine a lot of what people don't like in a "bad drum sound" are unpleasant partials that are clashing with the harmonics the ear wants to hear.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! We’ll be getting into harmonics vs. overtones in a future episode but wanted to kick things of here with a simplified version to explain the fundamental vs. overtones and the role that overtones play in differentiating sounds.
@BoxUpMyBones2 жыл бұрын
I used to use the TNR products early in my experimental phase with these sorts of things. I like them still, but I prefer the floating basket arms that Pearl makes, and the Gibraltar or Pearl floating floor tom feet. They are similar in concept, but more permanent and travel friendly. I would occasionally misplace a booty shaker or foam wedge and it was a big bummer, given how much I loved that full floating sound. The Pearl snare basket ones are so well built, I use them on my rack tom AND snare. Gives me big sounds and my drums dance around a bit less too.
@jmfs34972 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the convo I want to have!! I am always striving for wide open harmonic resonance out of every surface. I can always mute with towels, etc as the music requires, but I want the kit to sing.
@ShinyShinyBlack2 жыл бұрын
I love this conversation! To me, overtones and how you deal with them have a ton to do with developing a signature drum sound, and honestly have defined eras of music. One thing that I think is important to mention - the emphasis on overtones in a kit should also be defined somewhat by the size of rooms you are playing. The late 80’s/90’s drum sounds and that “cracking” snare sound work well in a large space, but as Cody mentioned, a lot of the overtones and attack of the drums lives in the upper frequencies - the same place where detail shows up in a lot of other instruments, and most importantly, the place in the human voice that is the most essential to speech intelligibility. Unfortunately, the drummers are frequently guilty of starting a “brightness war” on stage, where everything ends up being too bright to compensate for the drums. Reining in the overtones in a small room can be essential to achieving a good balance with an ensemble.
@Joethedrummer2 жыл бұрын
Fab stuff comrades. I was just rewatching Chris Layton's ancient video where he demonstrates the key aspects of his playing. His Fibes kit sounds awesomely ringy and he plays the snare in such a way as to maximise the ring by striking it off centre. When the band comes in , all that ringy sound gets absorbed and the drums sound beautiful and the overtones don't seem so prominent. In the modern age of endless solo drumming it's easy to forget the sound we're aiming for is not the sound that seems best when were in our private practice space but the sound that works in the context of the music were participating in.
@b.p.8792 жыл бұрын
I just want to preface this by saying that I'm not in any way affiliated with Aquarian, but after researching, I decided to change my tom heads to aquarian hi-frequency texture-coated heads, which are 7mm single ply. The balance is incredible and I get almost nothing but full singing beautiful tom shell tone, and this is easily achieved because I'm not having to strike them hard to get the full shell sound. I used mostly Remo pinstripes and Evans hydraulic heads my whole life. I decided to switch out all of my heads to hi frequency, even the kick, and now they all have a similar sound at the point of striking, which is really helping me learn and improve my chops. You can hear every strike better. I'd love to hear what you think of the Aquarian hi-frequency heads, because I greatly respect your work and opinions! Thank you!
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Aquarian make some great heads too! Btw- sounds like you made a pretty dramatic change in terms of the type of heads. Ignore the brand for a moment and focus on the physics at play- transitioning from two-ply 14mil with muffling agents (epoxy for the Pinstripes and oil for the Hydraulics) to single-ply 7mil (not millimeters - mil = .001”) without any muffling. That’s just about opposite ends of the spectrum. Less mass means greater sensitivity to softer dynamics and an overall wider dynamic range. You won’t be able to hit quite as hard with them but maybe you don’t need to. Either way, enjoy the fresh heads and your journey exploring sonic options!
@b.p.8792 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum Yes sir, that's pretty much what I've experienced so far with them. I should've mentioned I'm using moon gels on each drum except kick. You're right, I do have to be careful, but I've also changed up my drumming. I used to be all about the single strokes and over the past two years, I've relearned so much, using doubles like (LL+RR) for so much more than I used to, which is naturally lighter-striking and quieter for me, so I noticed my Pins and Evans weren't letting me get all my strikes to be audible or clear, so I did some research and tried the hi-frequencies and they seem to match my new-found style. Thank you for replying, I watch all of your vids and I just ordered two sets of TrueVibes, one for home and one the church kit where I work!
@Drummasterjay2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t expect the True vibe to make that much of a difference but WOW. Definitely need to get my hands on some.
@Chumpers0012 жыл бұрын
There's a fundamentalist joke in there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it. - Thank you guys for releasing such thoughtful content. I can honestly say that the way I approach drums/ drumming has been drastically changed by your videos. Now I need to focus on managing my overtones to achieve my desired sound. 🤘 Much love 🙏
@drumjedi53012 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I love letting the drums sing! I barely even dampen the kick drum, other than using an EMAD batter head. The only time I use any legit dampening is when I'm specifically looking for a dead sound, or when I'm using a cheaper drumset in a smaller venue with poor acoustics. Otherwise, tune them well, and let those babies sing!!!
@loliamnot132 жыл бұрын
Crazy interesting! Can you guys make a video about the difference of room treatment, bass traps, thick carpeted floors, etc?
@michaelmoore97262 жыл бұрын
I play in a doom metal band. Had that problem with the kick getting lost. I took off the eq3 and put on a UV1, no premuffle. Tuned both heads up higher.. Problem solved!
@williambock18212 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure why people try to choke drums to death. If you want them to sound like a sofa cushion, just hit a sofa cushion. They’re cheaper. If your drums are too loud,different sticks(cool rods,brushes)and playing softer usually work. Try using zip ties to secure soft foam on your bass drum beater. A guitar pick super glued to the foam on the spot that contacts the head will bring back a “click” while still being very quiet. You’ll STILL need to play “heal down” with your foot to make the most of the foamed beater,tho. You get much more control while playing quietly that way. Takes a bit of getting used to but it’s worth it. Being able to play heel up or heel down greatly increases your ability to play precisely at any volume level.
@af71192 жыл бұрын
Wow I'm super impressed by those TrueVibe mounts. Gonna pick up a set right now.
@AshtonSmith2 жыл бұрын
Dope video Can you guys kinda piggy back off this and show how different Tom mounting systems affect the drum resonance. I find with Yamaha Tom mounts they kinda choke the toms in my experience
@mattwood15622 жыл бұрын
That’s interesting, because I’ve always considered them the best Tom mounts 🙂
@AshtonSmith2 жыл бұрын
@@mattwood1562 idk man that’s always been my experience. Especially with the 10”
@carlupthegrove2622 жыл бұрын
I had an issue with Yamaha mounts until I learned not to slide the top "up" too far on the mount. Now they ring in a lovely way.
@The_Other_Ghost2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how when I was first starting out I used the e rings and all. Over time I switched to moon gel and now I just use Ec2 over reso heads.
@billsallak48872 жыл бұрын
Great video-not a drum comment per se, but "what is the window through which this instrument will speak" is a phrase I'm stealing for my multitrack mixing classes.
@saltdrums2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding!
@toomdog2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear that same tom in the standard basket with the hoops resting on the tips of the arms. I've never used isolation attachments like that before, but I've been able to make a choked out drum sing by moving in the basket (or by loosening the basket).
@Scott422 жыл бұрын
As a side note, a similar product for increasing floor tom resonance - Booty Shakers - are the perfect size to wedge between the left column of your bass drum pedal and the batter head for situations where an undamped bass drum needs some damping. I imagine the TrueVibes do the job just as well! Great products, even for situtations where it's not their intended use.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Yep! Booty Shakers are the old version. TrueVibe is the new and improved version from TnR Products. We love ‘em!
@JJPercussion12 жыл бұрын
LOOOOOOVE THE INTRO 🤣
@jamesgugle77892 жыл бұрын
I've kinda always been surprised at so many drummers and sound techs being so anti-overtone. It always has seemed obvious to me that, properly tuned, overtones are... TONE. If we want to have an actual pleasing tone from our drums, whether we prefer higher or lower tuning, then we shouldn't muffle out that tone. Now, admittedly, our kits sound different in our faces than out in the room. Sitting behind the drums we're hearing all the overtones more loudly. But out in the room with all the other instruments and vocals pumping, it's exactly those overtones and resonance that make the distinct sound we want from our kits, and help that sound cut through the mix without us having to beat the living crap out of them for pure volume.
@glengamble5262 жыл бұрын
I still stick to the old school method of throwing a small handful of cotton balls into an open tom, then putting the batter head in and tuning accordingly. It ALWAYS a works for me, and allows enough good overtones to still exist. You do need to experiment with how MANY cotton balls work for you, though.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Do you find that this is doing more to affect the sustain, and therefore the perception of overtones after the fundamental has dissipated?
@glengamble5262 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum personally, no I don’t. I love it-it’s just a matter of finding the right amount of cotton balls. Too many and yes, it’s affected.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
@@glengamble526 We did an episode on this a while back and how they act as a mechanical gate, shortening the envelope of sound but generally found that there was little-to-no change in the immediate presence of tone, which makes sense from a physics standpoint. Either way, glad you're happy with that hack!
@brendanerazo2 жыл бұрын
I've seen those isolation mounts called booty shakers. They are wild on floor toms.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Yep! These are the 'version 2.0' from TnR Products with some design modifications and rebranding,.
@brendanerazo2 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum ah! Gotcha. I have the originals then.
@damedashn21392 жыл бұрын
Just got a new pdp kit with wood hoops and am considering checking these tnr products for the 13’ tom. Seems to make a surprisingly difference
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Those kits are super cool! We can’t say enough great things about the TrueVibe mounts. They’re great for use with all sorts of other percussion as well as even practice pads.
@TheStudioDrummer2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff-Thanks!
@markielinhart2 жыл бұрын
Insightful as ever, thanks ✌️🌻🇦🇺
@aronsz Жыл бұрын
1:02 eyyyy :)
@roganmcgarry74552 жыл бұрын
A useful and informative video, as is always the case on sounds like a drum
@PabloJ19682 жыл бұрын
Great! Thanks!
@samunerdrum59782 жыл бұрын
From all of your videos, maybe this snare sound is my favourite one. It sounds crispy and fat!
@brendanerazo2 жыл бұрын
DW also makes a snare stand now that is build for toms (and snare) in mind with more isolated basket arms. It makes a big difference!
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
It's true! Unfortunately, it sells for $250... These isolation mounts are $20 and do just as good of a job and can be installed on virtually any snare stand.
@brendanerazo2 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum definitely more of a “if your in the market for a new stand” product. EDIT: I managed to get one on sale for like 1/2 off or something.
@samunerdrum59782 жыл бұрын
Love the snare sound at the beginning! Pretty crispy and fat.
@williambock18212 жыл бұрын
Wow,these things are actually decently priced! I figured they’d be charging $80 for one set of 3.
@iRideuWatch2 жыл бұрын
I wish they'd come up with a product for tom shell mounts. I know they aren't in vogue but a lot of us still play drums with them and they definitely choke some of the resonance.
@LeakyJAZZ2 жыл бұрын
I see those carter mclean signatures!
@miker52332 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this information keep up the good work
@drummercarson8962 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@thealchemisttiger6882 жыл бұрын
Embrace the overtones!!!!!
@bilhamcobbly29572 жыл бұрын
I really need some tru vibe mounts
@Mystninja2 жыл бұрын
I love over tones.
@bishopoftroy2 жыл бұрын
I'm always struggling to remember what these videos are really about after i`m done watching them. Like this one, ...something about overtones, but i can articulate what was about.
@jonashellborg83202 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up straight away for that hilarious intro! And the downtuned metal hits go,e for me, having just started playing with a band that uses a thick mix with a busy low end, and no one could hear the kick drum. Time to look for click-y beaters!
@codgerfiasco2 жыл бұрын
In your opinion does the TrueVibe on a tom basket provide improved fundemental/overtones compared to a RIMs mount? Could you comment on any differences?
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
We haven’t done a back-to-back comparison but they definitely sound more full and resonant than the Optimount suspension mounts.
@TwoandaHater2 жыл бұрын
I hope someone invents a snare with no overtones- there I said it.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Ha! Might as well bust out a sampler and choose a sine wave at your preferred frequency. 😉
@TwoandaHater2 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum would be sorta dope if I could order a snare set at a specific freq...
@allenmitchell092 жыл бұрын
Man when you first said this sounds like a drum how did you not do the classic what people refer to as a rim shot? lol
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Alas, the two of us have been using this phrase for at least as long as we’ve known each other and perhaps longer. It just happens to be the name of our series. It is funny when we see how much people get a kick out of it though. Cheers! -Ben
@allenmitchell092 жыл бұрын
Dang, I hate to be the “it’s not my tempo” guy, and not knowing how overdone it is. lol
@thomaswhudson2 жыл бұрын
What mics are you using on the drums?
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Hey there! We’ve included all gear details in the descriptions of each of our videos. Cheers!
@thomaswhudson2 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum yea just didn’t see the actual mic, I did find it though. Thanks
@ralphsammis73302 жыл бұрын
I listen to hear if sound is something to duplicate, talk doesn’t do it for me.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
No worries. Our channel probably isn’t a good fit for what you’re looking for, as we focus on contextualizing these sounds (the ‘why’) while also covering the ‘what’ and ‘how’.
@cidboechat94722 жыл бұрын
I dont hate them specially on snares. Most people that hate them need to start playing with other musicians and realize that drums are not supposed to be Heard alone
@vikitheviki2 жыл бұрын
Comment!!
@goodtimejohnny89722 жыл бұрын
Now if you could just have good sound engineers to utilize everything that the musicians put into their gear and performance you might really hear a difference. Truth be told nobody takes the time to find each drums fundamental tone. They will mix however they want to regardless of any musicians efforts.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
Not all audio engineers behave the same way (fortunately/unfortunately). It's also their responsibility to look at (or hear) the big picture, something that individual musicians aren't always known to do. In the end we all need to be aware of our sonic blindspots and increase our awareness for how the work that we do factors into the whole of the music. If we start out by completely negating the value of some aspect of our sound in a vacuum, it can be very difficult (or impossible) to get that back when it comes to the audio engineer. Cheers!
@vlkiller2 жыл бұрын
I get the paid promotion but this episode just came across as a massive ad. Its different when you start out explaining that you are trying out a product, like with the snares, but this whole episode was just made around being an ad. Come on guys, if you are going to do ads that's fine, but don't make out it's a genuine episode with the end result being "the only way you can achieve these results is if you buy these ......" And not give any other options like you used to. I believe I have watched all of your episodes since the beginning and what I have always loved was the honesty about what the episode was about and if you were being paid/sponsored.
@SoundsLikeADrum2 жыл бұрын
It seems as though you may have misunderstood this episode. We came up with the concept long before we even reached out to TnR Products to inquire about supporting it. We thought the TrueVibe isolation mounts made perfect sense to incorporate based on the nature of the topic and would have used them as we did here regardless of whether or not they sponsored the episode. If the whole episode seemed like a massive ad," maybe that's because the sponsor directly relates to the content being addressed. We try to do that whenever possible, as we believe that it enhances the content rather than detracting from it. Also, nowhere in this episode to we state that this is the only way to achieve these results. We did make it clear that starting with a full, resonant tone allows you far more flexibility and that these iso mounts are a great means of getting there but they're certainly not a fix-all or the only option. You still need to be cognizant of tuning choices. We believe that the topic addressed here is INCREDIBLY important to the discussion of drum tone and yet there's a massive amount of misunderstanding around overtones. We think this was one of our most effective episodes in demonstrating the concepts discussed. It's clear that you've enjoyed and likely benefited from the channel having watched all 200+ of our episodes. We invite you to consider joining our Patreon if you'd like to help shape the direction of the channel and support our efforts. Thanks!
@vlkiller2 жыл бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum I agree that yes, I have received a huge amount of insight from your videos and am very thankful for all of your hard work. You guys put a tonne of effort into all of your videos with this one being no exception. Taking out the fundamental note so the overtones can be heard was fantastic. The concept for this video was awesome and definitely brought to attention shortfalls in my kit and the way I tune it. And I do agree that the TnR products did make a huge difference to the toms. Infact I am inclined to buy them for my 12" tom on a snare stand. I may be the only one that felt this way about the episode, but I feel like my trust for the honest and non biased information from you guys that I had come to expect was a bit exploited. But hey, who am I to judge. It made me realise that I have hit that age where my gut reaction to something that rubs me the wrong way, is to write a letter to the company and have a winge about it lol. Damn that makes me feel old lol. You guys have been doing an amazing job for many years now. I just don't want to see you guys go down the old rabbit hole of capitalism creeping into all of your videos to the point they become straight up ads.