Overview Of First Big PoE 2 Patch Of The Year, Coming At End of This Week - Endgame/QoL Balance

[@mp7311]

Something you missed about 6 portals on bosses is that they said the higher difficulty you do bosses at, the less portals you get. 6 is for the easiest version only.

[@joshuahensley9395]

Yea he just kinda hears part of the sentence and fills in the rest with his own brain. Its fucking infuriating he can't even accurately relay info fron a 10 minute video.

[@Shoger]

@@joshuahensley9395 Its not that serious buddy, go take a walk or seek help lol

[@theworldsinger]

If thats all it takes to infuriate you, it might be a good idea to spend some time away from your computer. It was a simple mistake​@@joshuahensley9395

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

@@joshuahensley9395 Who pissed in this guy's cereal

[@LlenadeMalo]

@@joshuahensley9395JFC calm down, tío.

[@sayitdd]

I wish they add a death summary. Sometime, it is not possible to see what hit. So, it will help to optimise build, if you know what is not working.

[@keleko55]

We have asked for that in PoE 1 since 2013. Don't hold your breath friend.

[@maguszero]

They have explained this hundreds of times by now. They do intend to try to figure something out, like a log of the past 3 seconds or something, but they haven't worked out a way to make it very useful yet so they keep putting it off. They've discussed putting in a simple text log as a stopgap, but even that is kind of complicated and not the kind of quality they like to put out.

[@sayitdd]

@ I just come cross of this video. Usually do not check guides or in depth analysis type of content but thanks for the info.

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

yea bro, we've been asking for 11 years. You won't get it lol

[@GiffMeChakraMagic]

They said, they cannot change one portal from maps because people would abuse one good spawn over and over again. I say they could technically fix it. They only have to track the state of each map whether the league mechanic/boss has been activated already.

[@Heelydon77]

That's only halfway correct. This was the answer they gave in regards you to not losing the "juice" on the map, like boss, breach etc, if you were to die and simply insert a new waystone, because it would be too abusable. The primary reason for the one portal in map was Jonathan wanting there to feel like you could actually "fail" a map and with 6 portals, he felt it was too hard to fail and so there was means of realistically failing the map that you are the appropriate level for.

[@LpSuffle]

Warrior there’s no way, they need to add attack speed scaling for all the skills or increase the action speed, or even give hyper armor for the animation. They suck.

[@TheLeafyo]

Please just make limited portals an atlas tree choice with some extra loot. And I'm still just gonna run white T1 maps on towers.

[@Grisu.]

did they mention anything about the multithread crashing issue?

[@bigyikes7354]

Yes IIRC, it's difficult to debug as it takes over an hour of gameplay to occur. they will be asking people to enable additional logging to help track down the issue in the coming weeks

[@MrTheSmoon]

jonathan talked about an nvidia GPU related crash in the podcast with ghazzy. not sure if thats the same thing you are reffering too. but tldr they are working on it.

[@TRAssasin]

@@bigyikes7354 that was not it it was a different crash related to nvidia

[@TimeTraveler343]

It's because of the 2H24 windows update. I rolled back to 2H23 and had no crashes since

[@_alex_y.not_]

​@@TimeTraveler343Did the same thing and rectified it for me too. It was fucking rough until I rolled back.

[@BladeOfMercy42]

Currently enjoying the game as a rogue like in HCSSF and haven't been in a particular rush to get to endgame as it was quite obvious that it's pretty early stage with lots of things to iron out. I do understand people wanting to get into the endgame and explore everything it has to offer and you guys are the ones testing it and finding a lot of problems though. So big thanks to everyone doing that! Also I'm a bit fucked in the head since I enjoy maces even in their flawed current form simply due to the class fantasy I guess. And I've played other stuff like quarterstaff and crossbow which I also greatly enjoy. But I definitely agree that the mace skills have a lot of problems and will need a lot of changes alongside the obvious armour problems. I can already see the devs are doing quite a lot of nice changes overall in this small time frame and have a lot of hope for the future content and changes!

[@1unax]

They said 6 portals for ubers is gonna go down as you increase the difficulty, so 4th difficulty wont have 6. Also how is noone mentioning mana costs, they're still not addressed.

[@iamarugin]

Johnatan said that warrior is fine only in campaign and it is not quite there in the endgame.

[@DoNotFearTheReapa]

some uniques actually might be sleeper. the gloves giving % damage makes up for the lost damage on convert and makes some possible tri ele builds good. I like the ice mace too, the unfortuate part is it is a mace, but you could do a herald of thunder/ herald of ice clear thing with it because of all damage counting to freeze.

[@salihkizildag]

there's only one notable for global pen and no support gem for global pen, so those gloves are shit for now

[@JayM928]

1:33 but I've been told by some [other] KZbinrs that the game is perfect and these gripes are imaginary or that maybe the game isn't for you if have any criticisms! How can this be? Still a POE fan. Still a fan of most of the OG POE names like Mathil. Really sickened by all the clickbaity BS over the past months from some KZbinrs (both old and new).

[@marlcoore]

6 portals at the initial difficulty, giving less portals as the boss level escalates* Either way thanks Mathil!

[@Brian-og8su]

Yes! Going from 2 warrior characters to playing a monk made me regret the 400hrs on warrior 😅

[@nigelmrweirdo]

Why not just keep it at 6 for soft core

[@nbs90]

Because they insist on forcing semi hc on players

[@bobbobb5759]

Yeh people like Raxx who thought he did a lot of mapping will realise he's probably got heaps jus in the fog of war.

[@Tristanl0l]

6:28 i think they said during the Q&A they arent nerfing breach, rather buffing other content. believe it when i see it though.

[@purdo84]

they also said they could nerf breach and no one would notice because a lot of the monsters dont even spawn in

[@savageire]

yeah, i picked softcore cos i suck and they take away 5 portals :D

[@jelly497]

This won't make me log back on my warrior but I'm glad they're trying. It seems like they recognize most of the other issues the game has. I'm optimistic they'll make good changes after regaining momentum they lost to the holidays.

[@RobertCallaham-f2j]

There has gotta be a way to break CoC trigger rates with Matsya……

[@spaceghost8891]

I've played 200+ hours without discovering a single citadel. One day I found 5.

[@samuelhipperson8503]

just make the towers like hideouts, all the maps rares mobs crammed into one tiny area so we can blast it and leave

[@Huckle777]

I just can't believe Johnathan laughs when asked about warrior/melee. I would be embarrassed after the massive deal they made about "fixing melee." This is a massive, flat-out failure on their behalf and it really isn't talked about enough. Why are they so stubborn when it comes to making the easy, right choice that will fix problems people have? It wasn't until the very last PoE 1 league that they finally just gave a flat damage buff to melee, which actually massively helped

[@CodePusherZA]

We don't have all weapons out yet, specifically, swords. I think swords will fix a bunch of issues that warrior has. Albeit hard cope, I've played all classes and warrior felt like a cock grinder experience. Won't be playing warrior any time soon, it feels incredibly unrewarding and slow af.

[@maguszero]

They said they are going to be making big balance changes in a big patch a bit later, and this was just the non-balance stuff they rushed together in two weeks while half the staff is still on break. They even agreed Warrior is in the worst place of the current classes. That isn't them being stubborn, that's you being impatient.

[@dakai4992]

To be fair there was another huge melee buff in PoE1 at some point. When they added a bunch of flat damage to melee skills, because gearing melee was (and kinda still is) so ass.

[@netherane]

What’s your problem with him laughing? Do you take that personally or some shit? They’re constantly looking at this from multiple perspectives, and are balancing what is known for them but known to use. Things are hardly so simply binary as you put forward. We got two melee classes, one pure and one pseudo. One absolutely fucking nuked content and had a dead ascendancy. The other struggles constantly, in ways that can be exaggerated or complicated due to other problems. Yes, YOU don’t like the experience. That doesn’t mean it will change to something you like. Be ready for that, and be ready to accept your extreme take for what it is.

[@desolation6926]

Its not that serious bro

[@cjwarrington177]

I hope they stick to their guns on the one portal thing. If they fix a lot of the things that can make one portal frustrating (deaths that feel unfair, bosses being too rare, etc), then one portal feels so much better than the PoE1 6 portal maps.

[@daanvinke]

How?

[@dipswewon4701]

I agree, makes it feel much more rewarding making a tankier build than just the zoom zoom cod portal builds of poe1

[@bobbobb5759]

@@daanvinke because it rewards builds beyond jus glass cannon speds.

[@Zylosio]

Especially on bosses, 1 portal means there is ALWAYS some risk involved. If you have 6 portals there is realistically 0 risk to actually losing to a boss and bossing becomes the same slot Machine it is in poe1. Making it not a guaranteed win is the only thing making bosses interesting in softcore trade

[@theStamax]

Both Warrior Ascendancies are pretty much fine if not great for some builds. Maces need changes. I wish they'd just stop referring to everything by a class name, when it's just not representative of how the game works. It confuses newer players and leads to muddy feedback/discussions when talking about balance.

[@DEATHSlEGE]

That was the realization for my buddy that was playing warrior from the start. We played together, me playing a minion witch, and he gave the "what the f*** is this shit"

[@kokorochin01]

PoE 1 Hype

[@ogkdr]

Good stuff coming up.

[@sinh7765]

i really didnt like the reply to map layouts and map generation. they basically said "yea bunch of maps have shit layouts and are unfun to run. but at least you get more loot from them hihi". its like conditioning an animal. do something shit, get some dangle of a treat at the end. like, why? just change the map generation to make it all less maze like and remove the shit maps like augury and mire.

[@masdabugg8618]

I don't think you'd be able to change a map's layout without fully reworking the tile set or just getting rid of it entirely, 'cus of the way the game randomly generates layouts. The best option is to just get rid of them entirely, but I don't think they want to do that either. Once acts 4-6 are released, there will be more tile sets, and maybe then they will be more inclined to throw out the unpopular maps, but I doubt it.

[@eksentrysyti]

@@masdabugg8618 People generally ok with Augury's layout, it's just the stupid levers people have issues with. Mire is problematic because of its non-linear setup and super narrow pathways. I don't understand why the PoE2 map generator loves super narrow doors and pathways when PoE1 didn't offend nearly as badly. And since we don't have the choice to avoid bad map layouts, all layouts MUST at least be of "decent" playability.

[@TrasheAshe]

To clarify: Johnathan said he though warrior felt fine in campaign. Personally I agree, my warrior playthrough was one of my easiest even into early maps.

[@Ashtarte3D]

I'm glad Darth savaged him over that. Having played Merc, Witch, Deadeye and Warrior so far, Warrior was hands down the worst experience. Using Boneshatter made it slightly less painful but basically all the other skills in campaign felt like utter ass (especially Earthquake my beloved). I had some fun when I got to maps with Armor Explode Stampede until they got fixed/nerfed. Worst skills, worst defense layer, worst spirit mechanic (Salvaged Plating) and reliant on Life which feels fucking awful right now.

[@Hjutner]

@@Ashtarte3D Warrior is fine until you play something else, then you realize just how bad warrior felt.

[@Huckle777]

@@Hjutner Exactly

[@TrasheAshe]

Idk I played warrior last and was using mace strike w/ armour explode and it felt fine.

[@maguszero]

Armor even functions quite well with campaign damage levels - I've been playing Ignite Perfect Strike with quite a lot of armor, and felt nearly invincible until maps.

[@kyletilley5295]

I dont agree with one life being okay. They have an entire game mode for people that like one life. Get that shit outta softcore

[@tarekt8427]

Get Gud

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

I like one life, you're not 8 years old.

[@bmpm844]

lmao get mad

[@purdo84]

no

[@Zylosio]

I am 100% sure that people that call for more portals on bosses have no idea how the softcore economy works. The biggest reason why bossing sucks in the trade Environment of poe1 is because you have multiple portals which means theres no risk at all involved in entering bosses. If noone loses to bosses the loot you get is just a slot machine with shit avg reward just rolling for the high value outcome

[@jorgevillalobos7579]

Very true

[@CodePusherZA]

My concern is that they're treating this like a 'released' game. I think they should iterate faster on nerfs / buff on builds.

[@rabidwalrus3159]

Probably hard to do when they do nerf peoples builds they flip out on Reddit about it because the players are treating it like a released game as well

[@stttttop]

Their reasoning is that they can buff/nerf something mid 'league', but won't know the real ramifications because it isn't part of a new economy so they will only recieve outlier feedback. That's why they want to keep major buff/nerfs for a new economy reset/'league'

[@purdo84]

the players are treating it more like a finished product though, maybe because they paid for it idk... but GGG has their methods and they work so let them do their thing

[@patsyh]

1 portal in maps feels like shit, hope they change it

[@purdo84]

no

[@Zylosio]

They will never change that. The only thing i could see them ever changing from that is maybe they make boss encounters not disappear but even that i dont think will happen. 1 portal entry to maps is necessary to combat glass cannon builds

[@MikeyJ28]

Had an okay time playing through the campaign but PoE 1 is my favorite game and I’m getting a little sad not having a new league to play.

[@LokirofRoriksted]

I dont see the necessity of the endgame atlas map thing. Even during acts I find them poorly made and sometimes takes a long time to load. Old atlas from poe1 was better and all they needed to do was change from individual maps (like sewer map t16, mesa map t16 etc) to T16 token map and you can choose your layout

[@iulianwar3229]

Feedback: My warrior experience was very bad, the thing is slow and deals almost no damage as a starter in comparation with monk or mercenary, i find myself in act 1 uber with my main attack ... Mace Strike defaul,,,, yeahh and asking my friend who played monk to carry my fat ass through the boss fights bcs i run out of years to live untill i will manage to kill anything with my dps

[@Ashtarte3D]

My takeaway from the "reveal" and interview is a weirder one: I thought Mark was in charge of POE1 and had almost no input on POE2. If he's chiming in on stuff like he wants the one portal mechanic to stay when Jonathon said he'd be willing to go back on it then I have real worries about what's going on with POE1. I like the campaign for 2 and some of the mechanics but in the current state of EA I don't see myself sticking with it the way I have with the original game. Over 7k hours in base game, not even 100 since EA started because so many annoyances, nerfs and bugs.

[@coney7777]

stay classy bud

[@robertl1390]

Are people still getting hacked?

[@magischzwei]

They talked about that. An admin account got compromised via steam support spear phishing. They've fixed that now.

[@netheranimal8067]

I'm a casual player. If they're not gonna bring back 6 portals for maps (or at least 2-3) I won't be playing. I am not good enough to be able to finish all maps on 1st attempt, and I don't have time to "get better". I am an adult with a job and a family, I used to play poe for 1-2 hours of the day. Dying in a map and getting all of my map mods, league content and everything get lost feels terrible as a casual player. I don't understand why are they punishing us in maps under t15, or at least t10 like that.

[@netherane]

Because the way they’re making the game requires you to play different than you do. I’m not that sympathetic to dopamine-addicted styles of play, and there’s many other aspects of the game around your complaints. Stop being so simplistic about what your problem is.

[@purdo84]

bye

[@danielnoh1520]

There will be many build guides out there that you can follow to be super tanky while not sacrificing too much damage, it’s the same as in poe 1

[@Acemont]

I will be blunt - after playing PoE 2 EA for a month - there might be no more PoE 1 leagues, and I wouldn't care less. Just because of, even in current raw state - I enjoy PoE 2 a fuck ton more. I simply cannot and will not go back to the game there: - I cannot pause at any time. - I need to link my items every single time. - The campaign is bland in comparison. - I need MTX for my character to look good. - I cannot look at the area and say - "fuck that is such an eye-candy. my god that looks awesome" - Doesn't have WASD. I had my fun with PoE 1 for more than a decade. "Been there. Done that". But PoE 2 has SO MUCH promise to it, and it foundation is so much better. Sure GGG will still mess-up here and there. But that was always part of the journey (aside from not having map tab right away, even though the main focus was on TESTING THE ENDGAME). However. The feeling of "hm - I wonder what next league will be?" is strongest, that it had ever been right now. We are in for a interesting year of EA, I can tell you what. I cannot even imagine, what they'll cook-up, in terms of actual "League" content, aside form gradual addition of remaining content.

[@nightyonetwothree]

actually story-wise i like poe1 campaigh much more. Poe2 story is disney staff -_- and overall poe1 provides much more variety in builds and crafts, in map mechanics. And endgame bosses are fine too. would drop poe2 asap when new league in poe1 come. poe2 requires too much polishing atm, and the endgame is same poe1-zooming, but with unbalanced economy and absolutely non-derterministic ssf.

[@keleko55]

Spent 2k on PoE 1, current state of PoE 2 I would pay them to stop and go back to PoE 1. To each their own.

[@purdo84]

​@@nightyonetwothree the only reason you feel this way is that PoE 1 had time to develop and PoE 2 is just starting right... hell we dont even have all the skills and classes yet and you want to compare it to the first game already. and exactly how is the economy in poE2 unbalanced?? divines are sitting around 115 to 120 exalts and have been for weeks now. meanwhile PoE1 regularly sees divine:chaos ratios of 1:200+ ... you dont know what youre on about mate

[@nightyonetwothree]

@@purdo84 poe2 is in development for enough time to know the direction. It gonna be same zoomzoom fest on release/few leagues later. The graphics are amazing, but that's all. The gameplay doesn't change really and most likely wouldn't in future.

[@m.h.4907]

Need new league. Jonathan's reaction to PoE was devastating. I don't care about the snoozefest 2. It is just a worse PoE version dumbed down to console players

[@jaysimons4858]

Glad they are doubling down on 1 portal mapping this early, I can just ignore this game for the time being.

[@Ashtarte3D]

Yeah, it has given me time to catch up on games I missed last year like Indiana Jones or Stellar Blade instead. :)

[@Huckle777]

Yea man I genuinely don't know what they are thinking with some takes. Somethings are so out of this world backwards. Barely addressing melee/warrior, barely buffing the uniques AT ALL, and dozens of other things that just make the game actively un fun to play...

[@xfranchize]

It’s like the sek trials once your at a certain point you forget it exits because you stopped dying. I mean I killed the copper citadel boss and his corpse explosion killed me and the fragment is on the ground 😂 one portal one death and tbh it’s kinda hilarious I’m pissed but not actually that mad more like really 😂

[@paweltak2514]

@@Huckle777you will be suprised when you see two A4 pages of patch notes this week

[@dakai4992]

Well, at keast if you die you don't have to do something stupid, like let's say run a completly unmodified boring and unrewarding version of that map.

[@joshuahensley9395]

Johnathan said warrior felt fine, in the campaign. They agreed with darth that literally every facit of the warrior needs work. But you didn't know 6 portals was only for the easiest version of the boss. Its like you hear part of what's happening and fill the rest in with your imagination. You would have a lot less shit in your comments if you just fucking listen to what was said.

[@user-gy7zw1ek2r]

R u ok

[@desolation6926]

Angry little boy arent you~🫦

[@Rafael-km9mx]

Jonathan is a sociopath according to people that work for him, so take everything with a grain of salt

[@folz842]

Source?

[@Rafael-km9mx]

@folz842 multiple reports of people that called out the content of supporter packs and the game itself before any reveal, you can easily find it, it's everywhere, cant sent links here

[@DemCheeks666]

Just like I will this comment lol

[@Rafael-km9mx]

@@DemCheeks666 cant send links here, but this is pretty easy to google, the person that made a lot of reports about this, also said everything that poe 2 would have at EA and every content of supporter packs before they even got announced, so yeah, he works for them.

[@Alias_Fakename]

Yeah that leak was pretty damning, at least until the end where he started whinging about culture war shit.

[@jimbobwe2]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but POE2 is better in literally every aspect than POE1. I have no idea why anyone cares about POE1 anymore or is even asking about it.

[@eksentrysyti]

PoE1 is still considered a "complete" game, rather than EA for PoE2. PoE1 still has all the content, passive tree power, crafting mechanics, and variety of ascendancies that PoE2 doesn't yet have. PoE2 definitely feels more refined as a game, but has maybe 5% of the content PoE1 has. That being said, I haven't played PoE1 in 3 years and only came back just for PoE2.

[@heathgullery4848]

It has a much more extensive and refined end game

[@dakai4992]

poe2 has what? Graphics and WASD. Cool. It's mostly a dumbed down poe1 version. Like 2.2..

[@Alias_Fakename]

POE2 has a better campaign, and WASD is great. That's it. Everything else isn't even 10% as good as POE1.

[@blondo1]

Pog

[@Atheist269]

Finally a good take on armor. It's not great, it's not terrible. It does things. Just not as good as overtuned ES. A 15% buff will make it better. It's not far from being totally fine.

[@Huckle777]

Bro armor needs a 150% buff to maybe be in just a DECENT spot.

[@Alias_Fakename]

ES isn't overtuned, it's just blue health. Life is undertuned.

[@Zylosio]

Yeah people saying armour does nothing have no idea what they are talking about. If you think it does nothing remove it from your character and try running some maps. Having armour or not is a night and day difference in most situations during mapping. Getting the fake armour on my invoker made me die like 6 times rarer in maps. Going from 2k armour to 10k on my gemling made me never die in maps since then.

[@Dicktopus]

Okay but what about of POE1? End of life?

[@bigyikes7354]

It was a PoE 2 interview not a PoE 1 interview

[@zankaa8031]

New league in February = end of life okay

[@antonego9581]

What about it? They said end of Jan they would reveal new league

[@Tuga12]

Bit of an overreaction considering we've known the date they are aiming for for a while now.

[@eksentrysyti]

Chat was cancer during the livestream. All the whining about PoE1 and bugs was aggravating. It's a PoE2 content stream, why does chat want to know if they're going to fix bugs (they always will) and about PoE1 (not relevant to the stream topic)?