Overwhelming and Collective Harmony

[@katyalupochev9589]

This video is fantastic because it shows that Werner has been like this for *decades*. Maybe he’s always been like this. I like to imagine that immediately after he was born, he turned to his mother and began reciting a monologue on the oppressive, suffocating nature of the womb.

[@slavatar6294]

she turned the weans against you mate aye ?

[@UFOhunter4711]

@@slavatar6294 rip Benny harvey

[@Jeffmetal42]

I honestly see no other possible outcome from his birth.

[@marthashaebanyan-bady4259]

Have you seen him getting shot? kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqO1f4BvmLJ1es0

[@Jeffmetal42]

@@marthashaebanyan-bady4259 wow, I've never seen that. It's hilarious how he reacts like only Herzog would. "Nah, it's no big deal." Lol, dudes a gem of a human being.

[@mahajohn]

You could not ever hope to create a satire of Werner Herzog that is more perfectly Herzogean than this. Holy shit.

[@Stolphos]

"it is the order of overwhelming collective murder" I nearly choked death

[@j.yossarian6852]

@@Stolphos Then in strict German staccato he proclaims his love for the jungle while coldly staring down the barrel of the camera.

[@Aidan-qc7mq]

Paul F. Tompkins does a pretty good job on the Andy Daly Pilot Project, but it still feels like it could just be Herzog

[@h1ob355]

I'm glad that I'm not cynical enough to see nature like that... I'm more like that "circle of life" guy.

[@samuelkronfeld112]

Documentary Now has a great episode that makes fun of Werner Herzog brilliantly.

[@SovincPeter]

I remember standing in middle of Amazon rain forest when we turned off lights at night. All I could see was a patch of sky between trees full of stars, and I could hear all the sounds. At that moment it crossed my mind: what the hell has grown here on this planet? what an evil thing came to be in middle of Universe. It was the most science fiction moment of my life. As Werner says: "I love it, but I love it against my better judgement."

[@jamiemcmillan6742]

What made you feel it was evil?

[@SovincPeter]

@@jamiemcmillan6742 when you live in northern hemisphere in place touched by civilization, you can easily overlook it. We do not have real contact with nature anymore. But what abot forrests, you may ask? Even forrests are managed, used for production of wood, all sick trees removed, kept at healty distance... but in Amazon: everything tries to eat each other. Trees have spikes to protect against vines, everywhere you look there is some plant or animal making a trap. If you are not native to Amazon (all our guides were) you can and will die there very soon. Number of things that can kill you is huge. Evolution is very apparent there. Survival of the fittest. And the rest: the rest die! I would argue: this makes it an "Evil place", I mean evolutiin is evil, but because of its enormous complexity one of the most fascinating ones. Nature gives and nature takes. Real wild nature that is.

[@jamiemcmillan6742]

@@SovincPeter Thanks for explaining. I see what you mean - nature doesn't have our morality. It's all out warfare in the jungle and life there is a constant struggle

[@Chaos-bq6mc]

Listen man, humanity created Wendy's and Wendy's created frosties. If that's not pure good I don't know what is.

[@SovincPeter]

@Acceleration Quanta but we are talking about my experiece or "fantasy" when i was in Amazon. It is about poetic experience of ot. Beside, i am not a native English spekar and it is not the exact expression I wanted to use. It would be better to say "what the hell came to be here", (hell is not real either. Hmm) "what for the mother (try to think of some non religiius equivalent) has grown here" or to say it in my native Slovenian "kaj za vraga se je zaredilo tu"..."veag" is devil... there.. hell, evil, mother of... are not strictly speaking "real", but feelings we have are... it is a different cathegory of real. Beside, the evolution really is rough, much rougher then our human society. So it is also objectively different, more well... you find the right word then... ?

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Wow, he is really, really German.

[@NecroPhil11]

@TheLogicJunkie He never said he hated Germans.

[@NecroPhil11]

@TheLogicJunkie being bavarian doesen't make you less german

[@MrGeneralHeavy]

​@TheLogicJunkie First off Herzog has a very deadpan and dry sense of humor, so you shouldn't take him saying he dislikes Germany proper as a full blown fact or actual resentment. Second off Germany is very federal and very diverse, far more so than neighboring countries, which is thanks to the fact that it used to be a patchwork of independent states for the majority of its history, and still is in a way, so people considering themselves Bavarian, of Hamburg or Bremen, Saxons, Berliners, Frankish etc, above being "German" isn't uncommon, and actually the norm.

[@SpaceCattttt]

@TheLogicJunkie I have never met a German who likes other Germans. And I have met a lot of Germans.

[@SpaceCattttt]

@TheLogicJunkie I'll have a look at it. Looks funny, though. Thanks for the tip.

[@HerAeolianHarp]

Also interesting to hear Herzog talk in interviews about his hatred of "the Disneyfication of nature", a topic explored to some extent in "Grizzly Man".

[@lynninpain]

And now he's in a show on Disney +.

[@randycushman1669]

My father, when warned of skin cancer, took the stance of” if the sun means to kill me it had better be on with it!” Something in this video reminded me of him. Maybe the disneyfication of nature.

[@nowheredan27]

Dora The Explorer (2019)

[@nicolasmak2508]

2020*

[@ironhandz1]

Oh, if he only directed that movie!

[@jbkolod7557]

The seriousness in his face when he says, "it's not that I hate it, i love it" cracks me up for some reason

[@bidoofismyking8962]

Can't get much more German than that

[@eyeofthetiger7]

He said "I love it" in such an stern way

[@schink24]

He knows that love won't help him with reality, but he knows that without it he'll loose all sanity.

[@1chienandalou]

Indeed. I find the title of this making of (burden of dreams) as well as his diaries/notes during the making (Conquest of the useless) quite apt.

[@slappy8941]

Looooooooose all sanity? 😂

[@TimostrategyGaming]

...and his music was electric.

[@Fasteddie2008outlook]

when the proc chain hits

[@lidsvillebrown]

Not a lunatic at all. Very balanced, and a humane realist.

[@georgemyers5585]

This monologue is absolutely captivating, it truly is poetry, it's hilarious as it is insightful, Herzog's unrelenting commitment to in my opinion to defeating the jungle combined with his fustrations of it being just overwhelming is captivated here. His monologue is always a very honest reflection of nature, and the brutality that is rarely shared these says

[@bronyatheistfedora]

I thought you said overwhelming commitment to opinion and that actually made a lot of sense to me 😂

[@1chienandalou]

Simultaneously very funny as well and I think he knows. Just brilliant indeed.

[@chickenringNYC]

​@@1chienandalou yeah there's definitely a sense of humor in there, that he's playing up a little bit, at the same time being very honest

[@nadominhoca]

I don’t know about you guys, but I love the “djengle”!

[@somercet1]

"I love it against my better judgment." Werner is one of the few remaining Rationalists, a dinosaur from the Enlightenment who was expanded by Romanticism, but not altered by it.

[@deetvleet]

cringe

[@cedric2452]

Not really

[@technoturnovers7072]

@@drog.ndtrax3023 rationalism isn't a tradition though, it is the rejection of dogmatic tradition

[@BookwormCowboy]

@@drog.ndtrax3023 rationalism as in the ethics position. He acknowledges the irrationality of his love for the jungle. As rationalism sees reason, rather than emotion as the chief ethical authority

[@abayomi.]

so true bestie

[@schrottiedasoriginal]

When I first saw this video a few years ago, I thought: "Finally there is someone who actually says something".

[@teameymelli1]

Herzog playing Herzog playing a German existentialist. oh wait..

[@Ebolaface]

"I love it against my better judgement." -Me with my family every holiday

[@1SaG]

"but when I say this, I say it full of admiration for the jungle. It's not that I hate it - I love it, I love it very much. But I love it against my better judgement." That quote kinda lets me understand how Werner Herzog ticks. He's not "judging" nature (that would be narrow-minded and silly), he's letting us take a glimpse at how he views nature and what sort of emotional reactions it triggers inside of him. It's almost like he is narrating his inner conflicts/turmoil for himself - and we're lucky enough that he shares the narration with us. I'm sure all of us have similar feelings and inner turmoil, it's just that lots of us probably either don't pause to acknowledge them or willfully ignore them, because we're scared to stare into the abyss of our own minds. And even fewer people have the capacity of verbalizing these inner goings-on like Werner can.

[@brains481]

sir this is an arby's

[@benwasserman8223]

I mean, it does sound like something Herzog would say at the drive-thru window.

[@danielencarnacion459]

@@benwasserman8223 lmfaoooooo

[@olitomar]

Perfect situation

[@liltick102]

💀💀💀💀💀

[@thelordofgifts5343]

It’s the Amazon rainforest

[@robertkrohn9385]

Me when I go outside

[@domenicozauber206]

😂

[@claudiamanta1943]

Ditto 😂

[@haspurr5434]

Touch grass, they said, but the grass was miserable and vile

[@MatthewRayDavila69]

Herzog's view of the universe is the same as mine. It's beautiful and fills one with a sense of awe, but don't mistake that beauty for benevolence. As amazing as it all is, nature would just as soon crush you into nothing as it'd look at you. As Anne Rice says, it is a "Savage Garden".

[@1chienandalou]

Indeed. Nature/evolution. Doesn’t Even make eye contact. Or perhaps consciousness is the closest thing.

[@broncotrolly]

Truly Madly deeply

[@hansolo631]

@@broncotrolly lol

[@thomasdykstra100]

A decided agnostic, in the midst of creation's perfect 'light', must stumble about in the dark requisites of his own soul... As a δαίμων of spiritual plagues ("if there is one", as he says), it is Herzog who compulsively sows "chaos" where ever he goes.

[@thechunkmaster8794]

Nature has the beauty of a jagged knife.

[@suttree3233]

He seems to be articulating some sort of spiritual awakening and beautifully so.

[@plemgrubern]

how can he have been ''proved wrong''? he's not trying to state any facts here, or even his opinion. what he's saying is poetry, and it's both beautiful and hilarious, just like all good poetry.

[@Unlucky-Dube]

What? He is stating them in a matter of fact way, he is both correct and incorrect, chaos and disorder breeds order at some stage, just hard to see it.

[@ItzKirbo]

"A glacier eventually farts" You're welcome

[@gmalesev]

I can watch this hundred times and it keeps getting better

[@SimonSpitzer]

same here

[@antigaia1817]

Imagine this guy performing this speech at a kids birthdays party . XD

[@ericdovigi7927]

If I could only go back in time and find him here and tell him, "You're going to be great in Star Wars someday," I'm sure that would cheer him right up.

[@herakleitus]

The original Dieter. "His agony was gorgeous..."

[@matthewcoombs3282]

The rainforest is a dangerous place. For a European who doesn't understand it, the environment is lethal. I was fortunate enough to have been guided through the south American jungle by a local, but is was still a tough experience. I don't think you understand the heat, the noise and the lack of light under the canopy until you are there.

[@michaelcarey299]

Mathew where did you go?

[@UFOhunter4711]

Similar to when I visited Sumatra

[@TheBayzent]

He is German, so the concept of a forested chaotic mess where everything tries to kill you is not as much of a foreign concept as it would be for any other European.

[@h1ob355]

@@TheBayzent Are you talking about my country? XD Well, our problem is rather decadence by insane abundance and the total LACK of environmental challenges...................... We don´t even know anymore the difference between what we need badly and what´s total waste. Don´t tell the world about Germany being a dangerous place - that´ll make us more ridiculous as we already are. :P

[@Exgrmbl]

@@TheBayzent It is on the contrary a very foreign concept. What you say might have been true 2000 years ago, but even if you go back a millenia this would be false. Wild, primeval nature, does not exist in germany and has not been a thing for hundreds of years, the country is basically an entirely cultivated landscape shaped by human will.

[@natraj_j]

Gloom and doom in the midst of natural beauty takes a special kind of nihilism.

[@mr.coolmug3181]

There are too many people on here saying that Werners statement is "funny". I, personally find the things hes said fascinating and poetic, and thought provoking. We live in an age where words and especially the written word, are completely throw away and people dont care about saying things differently, or, artistically, or, originally. Social networking sites have influenced this behaviour, i hope people will put more thought and originality into what they type, write, and say, in the future.

[@TTheMattt]

lol

[@thanoscube8573]

While yes, I do find his accent invites a funny feeling within me, I also fully reflect and absorb the fruits of his philosophy.

[@anschn7166]

I love this. The way he describes nature is amazing.

[@nadominhoca]

Most of people here are taking Werner too seriously here... this is just him caught in a moment of frustration and tiredness, during the process of shooting a highly complicated movie.. the guy is mad and a genius.. that’s just how his brains worked... pretty sure he laughs a lot when he sees this monologue today..

[@haspurr5434]

Save that the things he verbally expressed are possibly the dominant theme throughout his filmography? One doesn't really need to be cheerful or ironic at all times, and he is entitled to (or was, if he somehow went past it) his own pessimistic view just as much as everyone else, who might hold the opposite view. I see Aguirre, Kaspar Hauser, Heart of Glass and Nosferatu, his seventies movies, and the theme of chaos, folly and decay taking over human structures and rational expectations is very apparent. To be honest, all I heard in this clip were honest reflections, however edgy or dramatic they may sound compared to nowadays standards.

[@hawaiianrobot]

i can't handle any more of these german sitcoms

[@whatever678]

Yes, this documentary was mind-boggling... I couldn't believe the ordeal he and his crew went through!

[@OctopusDropkick]

Oh Werner. You are genuine and a treasure. We will mourn you passing, when it occurs. And speak of you fondly, for generations.

[@squidink58]

WHY say that !!

[@tonegoober]

@@squidink58 yeah kind of unnecessary huh lol

[@mitchmyers7523]

Why are you eulogizing him?

[@morgancasey]

To be honest Werner seems like the sorta guy to appreciate your word choice and sentiments hehe

[@beeble2003]

@@squidink58 When they say this, they say it because they are all full of admiration for Herzog. It is not that they hate him: they love him. They love him very much.

[@jojokintel]

Meaningless chaos. Infinite. Our lives are reflections of this. A nightmare spectacular.

[@MMMeglomania]

Depressed Germans ranting = Comedy goldmine. I can't stop laughing.

[@byroni13]

Totally😂❤

[@TriVisionTriesAgain]

I can see the lemurians spawning with 5 delicate watches, 5 goat hooves, 5 syringes, and a negative disposition on life spawning now.

[@collectiveleak]

Thank you Chris Christodoulou, and thank you Werner

[@riadiadipurwanto2020]

Thanks Civvie.

[@sbef]

@circleofshit his last one about Jill of the Jungle

[@Tardxan]

Idk who this man is but he’s putting so many of my thoughts into words and I love him for it lmao

[@baTonkaTruck]

I don't know why, but I find Werner Herzog so funny, like the funniest, it absolutely kills me.

[@jacquesaubin4454]

Two minutes of Herzog's brilliance

[@axekicker78]

Nobody goes mad like Herzog.

[@grego713]

I cant think of a more perfect harmony than an engine that churns all those endless deaths in to infinite new forms of life and back again. I adore you mr. Herzog but your analysis falls short for me.

[@DeladisKythera]

It's important to remember that this is a European's interpretation of the jungle. I do not believe an indigenous person's interpretation would be the same.

[@telepathytoday]

Great point, thank you.

[@Tidalx]

who gives a shit

[@Kevin_the_Caveman]

I'm not so sure, actually. Every civilisation has had terror, if not hatred, at the centre of its view of its environment, and generally nature was seen just as Werner sees it - violent, hostile, chaotic. Peoples living near deserts made the empty wastes the domain of the damned. Medieval europeans made wild beasts the agents of nefarious intentions. The cycle of seasons, before romanticism (which emerged just as early industrial society achieved dominance over natural forces) made it charming, was the unrelenting burden whose malice of a bad Spring might mean starvation. In fact, I think the idea of non-europeans living in some kind of "harmony" with their natural environment, with a "reverence" not purely based on fear of retribution by cruel and vengeful spirits, is probably a display of a very western exoticist trope.

[@TansGauntlett]

No, but Herzog is SPOT ON TARGET here-- the jungles curse is well known to the Ashaninka and the Campo peoples. Here it for yourself in my playlist : Titanic Tales, where you’ll here me read Our Guide Gets Lost in the Amazon Jungle, from that amazing book “The Three Halves of Ino Moxo: Tales of the Wizard of the Upper Amazon” -- which, incidentally, Terence McKenna adamantly recommenced as the best book ever, and all you folks (except the scarecrows trolling the bottom) are gonna love! Seriously the story is true and amazing!! Yes... The Jungles curse!

[@ramus9555]

I'm in awe. It's almost as if that's why Music has such a big impact on us. It's the harmony the Universe never had.

[@Kid_Ikaris]

I think we can all agree (and I'd very much like to hear back from my German brethren on this matter) that there is such a thing as being too German for your own good.

[@A1an_]

One of my favorite Quotes.

[@TheDoug8819]

I love the junge

[@OperationRevelation]

I searched Nature is Murder and it seems this guy agrees

[@libertyavalanche]

Herzog channeling Lovecraft here.

[@BillStrathearn]

He declined the SOMA

[@haspurr5434]

With a dash of Schopenhauer, especially the horror at 'everything around here keeps growing and growing, yikes'

[@brinks666]

He's just THE incarnation of the word WELTSCHMERZ

[@craigstahl1874]

Herzog is a prophet. And someday future generations will understand him as god. But they won't understand him. Because he is both sublime and debased -- and from a time when such concepts could not even be understood. Bavarians even less so.

[@Orange4theWin]

“Overwhelming and collective murder.” Tell us how you really feel, Werner.

[@WickedScott]

I kept thinking of my first marriage when I hear this.

[@florianbuhr7553]

I have high hopes for AI. I want a Werner Herzog bot that narrates my everyday life like this.

[@jooptablet1727]

the tech already exists if he would grant the license it could be built. just saying...

[@Haedox]

thanks KZbin

[@cv5870]

rooogue lineage. rooogue lineage... roooogue lineage.

[@horaceb2614]

Only this guy could rationalize my depression

[@lovesteppingout]

It's hard to stand the sight of two dogs dead under a sky so blue

[@evanharrison4054]

Funniest man in the world. I literally can't stop laughing whenever I hear him speak.

[@DanielAlejandroFuentesToro]

Well... He's a ray of sunshine. Ironically, on days like today that I'm feeling down, this kinda lifts me up.

[@FinneySP]

Why do I laugh at this. It’s an objectively pessimist takes but his delivery and timing makes it hilarious to me. No disrespect

[@BeerHombre]

That's how werner gets you.

[@MalAnders94]

It‘s not objectively pessimistic.

[@master2497]

Your fundamental misstep is assuming that something pessimistic is necessarily bad.

[@RaffieFaffie]

@@master2497 You're wrong furthermore your profile picture is anime which shows that you are a puer aeternus.

[@master2497]

@@RaffieFaffie not an argument

[@kevonz1]

A mate of mine worked on a film with Werner Herzog, he loved the dude.

[@_A4A]

He just sobered me up in less than 3 minutes!....

[@tecumsehcristero]

I’m from Northern Argentina and I can’t stand how he speaks of the Amazon. To me the deciduous forests that die every fall are the inhospitable places of murder. The Rocky Mountains scare me far more than the South American jungle or rainforest. North America has grizzly bears, mountain lions, rattlesnakes and plenty of insects that can kill and maim humans. The cities are places of chaos. The tropical forests make sense

[@Ignatius1972]

And he was very handsome in his younger years.... 😁

[@headzonsight7009]

Werner was not expecting the rainforest to be the beast that it is. It rocked him to his core 😂

[@TansGauntlett]

“We in comparison only sound and look like barely finished sentences in a stupid suburban novel” -Wow Herzog!! ... And then he moved to Los Angeles!

[@bobsondugnutt7526]

His point stands. We cannot handle the jungle

[@BeauJames59]

I love him, I love my manufactured optimism, it's my response. He nails reality...

[@gustavalexander8676]

"overwhelming misery and fornication" - Werner Herzog

[@BrightAwake]

me when a bug lands on me

[@ledfiction9775]

Me Earl and the Dying Girl (2015) brought me here...

[@redmist880]

hey me too😂

[@ironhandz1]

"I love it very much, but against my better judgement... I would like to see the baby."

[@WWDDWW]

I love this! D.Wrona

[@MrExorbitus]

"i love it against my better judgment.".... story of my life

[@thewastedwanderer5787]

Part of me likes to think that this sense of civilization of organization that even tribes have comes from a base instinct of wanting to break away from this chaos that it is so traumatizing to be a part of this and it’s natural state that we would never want that for any of our children

[@gmalesev]

He is my hero.

[@CeruleanFilms]

Loved the shout-out to this in the Jungle Cruise movie.

[@errzikillo]

This keeps me alive

[@rarephonk]

ZappBeats - NO CONCERNS

[@JuhaLaunonen-l5f]

"Overwhelming lack of order."

[@wrenrogers369]

I'm here from Chris Christodoulou's new song.

[@TheUltimateNatural]

What song?

[@akaollie619]

risk of rain

[@user-qk4nt7em1q]

Take a seat Attenborough

[@Fibonaccisghost]

I'm planning a weeklong trip to Papua New Guinea to hike through the jungles there. I plan on listening to this 2.5 minute long clip on repeat for the 18 hour flight from the US to PNG. I plan on watching this as I begin my trek.

[@kojikashiin319]

Time seems to slow down in this place. Safe travels!

[@rhysdavies3479]

It's just a jungle mate calm down.

[@thanoscube8573]

Lol Aussies always have the best things to say in times of sorrow

[@hfhfffhfhf]

missing the point

[@skeeterboombaty]

I imagine an alien looking down on Earth uttering these words in a broadcast home.

[@galilelollel9658]

I would understand it fully!

[@ShutterSnapped]

I love and appreciate Herzog putting to words what I thought I couldn't really place when it comes to talking about how I view things. I tend to believe this world is chaos, this solar system, reality, the universe is all chaos. All connections we make and significance we make is nothing more than us perceiving significance, creating it *for us*. It's nothing but a lens we attempted to make for us to understand our world and everything else than entails, but outside of that everything just exists as one big mess weaving in and out of each other. I could summarize this by saying that the word "Miracle" was created by us to console our uncomfortable-ness with uncertainty. And what I believe to be certain is that we live in a world of unperturbed forces.

[@Cat-bc4bn]

Beautiful chaos is beautiful order

[@Itachi21x]

Erinnert mich stark an mich selbst.

[@boRegah]

All that chaos, yeah. Except that one small spider, one small bacterium is more orderly than almost _all the universe_ outside earth

[@Narokkurai]

That's not really an accurate understanding of entropy.

[@arealbigboss]

He somehow perfectly described downtown los angeles

[@domenicozauber206]

😂😂😂

[@patrickmaline4258]

the religious undertone of this monologue is the only obscenity present, unless you count the human. ☮️ ❤🌏🌍🌎

[@galilelollel9658]

Jesus is still the way the truth and the life tho. No one can change that even if I would try all ms best i would ultimatly loose and fail forever. He exists and i know at first its hard to belive, esspecially when you already have seen so much in youre live but imagine he would be the truth, wouldnt that be a "bit" of a danger to everyone who doesn't have him in his earth and followes him? I know he is the truth even though im not really good at being a good Christian. I just joined you could say so and realld got into a relationship with my saviour. He is indeet the: I am And all we got to do is just belive and follow him. Its a little bit more then that bit still very much possible and he just renews youre soul and makes you stronger and better👍🏼

[@timepiercer]

Definitely not there for Ayahuasca.

[@honigdachs.]

Deep guy. "I love it against my better judgment." This applies to life itself really.

[@readmelancholystrumpetmaster]

unintentionally hilarious

[@dimscrawl4910]

the trees are all misery

[@TheeMikeForce]

If I was rich, I’d pay Herzog to talk to me. Not be my friend… but to just talk to me when I wanted.

[@kevinleahy6028]

I’d pay him to read me bedtime stories

[@TheeMikeForce]

@@kevinleahy6028 He could testify you though with the simplest stories..l