Magic was right, he is the one who is blessed to have Cookie.
@alphonsorhodes86894 ай бұрын
Absolutely 🫶🏾
@honeybee80024 ай бұрын
A BLESSING he DIDN'T SEE, UNTIL HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH THE AIDS VIRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@sarahb61634 ай бұрын
On a deeper note she could be staying to punish him keep on locked up cause there's no excuse in the world for you to still be there
@jo72463 ай бұрын
It is reasonable to suspect had Magic not been infected with HIV perhaps he would still be living the wreckless, selfish lifestyle. He was willing to subject his wife to an HIV infection. He did not show concern for his life or hers, deciding for her a future that she had no say in because she had no idea he was cheating. We easily could have been talking about all three (him, her, and child) having HIV. It should be seen as a form of domestic abuse and domestic violence..
@christinewilliams28673 ай бұрын
@jo7246. I concur. Jeremiah said; "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked" Low-self-worth/selfishness of these men is mind-boggling and traumatizing. The pretending continues"
@FLOKADO4 ай бұрын
I recall that press conference. I saved the newspaper article. I placed it in my bible and began interceding in prayer for him for healing. It’s still in my bible, yellow and tattered.
@LakotaDarkclouds4 ай бұрын
My brother was case test study for Azt then the cocktail that has prolonged their lives. The was chosen because he had lived with aids 12 years The Doctors couldn't figure out why ever one had passed within 1 to 2 yrs of testing positive. In July of 1993 he was gone due in fact to a parasite inunder cooked fish. It cause dicentary. I always say parasites germs and viruses will be at the top of food chain. What was extremely disheartening to us. Was that Ronald Reagan sat on all the different ways the virus could be spread for 6 years. Millions of humans were exposed unknowingly.
@alphonsorhodes86894 ай бұрын
The power of prayer is amazing 🕊️
@debbiemyers65814 ай бұрын
There’s power in prayer! To God be the glory!🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 God had other plans for him.
@milirajonesMercy4 ай бұрын
@@debbiemyers6581Hallelujah
@sarahb61634 ай бұрын
@@LakotaDarkcloudsthank you for changing the subject and educating ppl. PRAYER CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING FAITH WITHOUT OUT WORK IS DEAD.
@keepitrawh4 ай бұрын
Not one to publicly compliment another man's wife.. but she is a beautiful soul.. her expressions, words, gentleness n faith .. rare gem!
@misss99784 ай бұрын
Ot enough people realize that turning to God gets you through some ugly things
@Qunviets123 ай бұрын
@@misss9978
@christinaw.46263 ай бұрын
You respectfully complimented her 🙏🏾 👍🏾
@tyrellanderson47223 ай бұрын
Oh come on. She is not his property and you were not scummy about it. Ugh.
@keepitrawh3 ай бұрын
@tyrellanderson4722 I agree she not property but I try be extra respectful when it comes to someone spouse. Ijs.. but thanks appreciate the feedback!
@casandrabarnes-oq9fy4 ай бұрын
For richer or poorer, in sickness or in health, til death do us part . They've been tested, and they past!! I'm so proud of them both. ❤❤
@hillaryconsultingservices4 ай бұрын
He knew before he married her
@kalpanad24844 ай бұрын
im proud of her.
@Rainrussell07554 ай бұрын
Amen 🙏🙏
@cchris59584 ай бұрын
Thats before the marriage. This was about the money, not matrimony 🙄
@sarahb61634 ай бұрын
They've been tested LITERALLY🧪📃 nah I'm out playah see you on the other side we can split the kids and material goods I'M OUT
@111Shellz4 ай бұрын
It's hard to believe that this woman is 65... Not a wrinkle in sight. The sound of her voice is even youthful
@yannickbreecetoni74183 ай бұрын
It's called being rich
@HLJlovejoy3 ай бұрын
This woman is the epitome of what having a relationship with God is about!! Loved this interview and wish she had way more time to gather and speak her thoughts.
@shandracrews82383 ай бұрын
She would if OPRAH shuts up!!
@TSM-tv8hy3 ай бұрын
🙄
@jhendry69692 ай бұрын
Beautiful, including the short film. Keeping spreading such wonderful hope, joy and love. Cookie, you are so strong, thank you for sharing your story. 🙏
@sharlettebacon87604 ай бұрын
I kept the Faith was never in denial because God is able.
@twocents95134 ай бұрын
God loves praise. I came here to hear those words. GOD LOVES PRAISE! ❤️
@elisageorge22614 ай бұрын
You came to Oprah to hear it ?! Huh! Since when Oprah believe in God?..I heard her say higher power.....Folk say that when they don't believe in God ! They always say stuff like" well I believe there's a higher power"🙄..Majic wife shouldn't even be on here! Why BLK folk still dealing with Oprah?!!
@allstatemademehomele4 ай бұрын
I lived in Lansing during this Era. She's always been an angel in real life. She's always been respected.
@Facesbyus3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Oprah and Cookie, for sharing this story. It is a deeply personal and honest account of your journey together. It is a real testimony of love, but even more so of trust and commitment.
@MalikaStaar4 ай бұрын
I love how Cookie breaks down the difference between religion and relationship with God. People religiously go to church but have a superficial relationship with God. Love cast out fear!
@kathleenwalcott84223 ай бұрын
I 💘 love to see 🍪 cookie, such a beautiful 🚺 lady with a kind heart, were love conquer all. It was god way of bringing this two together, and test their faith, which cookie show to the 🌎 world that with god everything is possible, when you come to him with your burden. For Oprah cutting in into her sentences is her weakness, because that's the way some people are. Seeing Oprah in person at the bell center in Montreal, and letting us have the paid ticket for keepsake is a 👍 good feeling for me. May the good lord bring a cured for this disease. By Kathleen Walcott
@andriaprayer43183 ай бұрын
They serve satan
@Iamlismoore4 ай бұрын
Oprah I love how you are asking Cookie all the hard questions jokingly........
@wantjustice8433 ай бұрын
Oh my... I know this was supposed to be encouraging but....., That man put her through a lot. She is very accepting... She is from a different generation than I. So I had to keep that in mind. She is a beautiful person inside and out.
@gchris11243 ай бұрын
Remember that's her truth, her choice, and her pain to walk. Me, idk how much I could have taken, but me in jail would be on my list of how to handle this. I'm devastated that she had to endure this, but happy she survived it. I'm in shock to this day.
@yomiolayinka87544 ай бұрын
Bless you mam. You are one in a million 🌹
@gerrigatlin70984 ай бұрын
One thing about Oprah when she interviews someone, she will not allow the person to talk without interrupting.
@EOV-jg2ux3 ай бұрын
One thing about Oprah is she became a billionaire using those very techniques.
@gladysfinch16943 ай бұрын
Everything isn't about money.
@lurlinebarnett78193 ай бұрын
Run your own show
@gerrigatlin70982 ай бұрын
@@EOV-jg2ux and now she may very well be caught in the cross fire with Diddy. Great billionaire techniques😎
@redeemed59064 ай бұрын
All I can say is BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD! Thank you Cookie for sharing your heart. Thank you, Lady Oprah, of course, NOBODY does it better!
@aquillabennett82234 ай бұрын
Cookie Johnson is a very strong and , patient woman who truly loves Magic Johnson. I admire her faith in God and how she was so determined to make her relationship , marriage work.and loves her family very much❤
@kingswan55213 ай бұрын
I remember the day magic announced it, i became so sick, i couldn't even celebrate my birthday, he is still my all time favorite nba player.
@MercyP883 ай бұрын
Lol that's tough
@shandracrews82383 ай бұрын
Cooir REALLY LOVED HIM, BECAUSE SHE'S STILL TAKING UP FOR HIM. SWEET.
@francisw34564 ай бұрын
Everyone can say what they would or wouldn't do when not actually living through it, stop it. This is HER truth, you don't have to agree with it, but respect others right to choose for themselves.❤
@gchris11243 ай бұрын
Yes, AMEN
@GlamdollSJ4 ай бұрын
Great interview however I did not like Oprah kept finishing her sentences and cutting her off
@preciousjewels24754 ай бұрын
I don't either, she always does that and I don't see how she's supposed to be such a great journalist and interviewer. It's more of her opinions in so many interviews that come across.
@deMarLo124 ай бұрын
Interviewers do that so much and ultimately, especially in this setting, it was more like a conversation than an interview and once I wrapped my mind around that, I understood what Oprah was doing when she injected herself into Cookies' sentences so jarringly. In this instance, I appreciated it. Oprah is a PHENOMENAL interviewer.
@Miamigirl-k8q4 ай бұрын
She always does that
@marleneleach68854 ай бұрын
Thank You! Stop it Oprah! Let her tell her story in her words!
@LisaFerguson-jv7ew4 ай бұрын
Amen Cookie it all about holding on to your FAITH. When l heard the news l began to Pray because l didn't know how he was going to get through that but it was Just God And l am so happy you are doing better and your life has turned around for the good.
@nathania76374 ай бұрын
Spiritual warfare is praying to God almighty , fasting and digging your heels in the unwavering love that our God and king will keep us grounded 👑
@quoteme.goddess69573 ай бұрын
This woman is a prayer warrior!
@jackiegraham99394 ай бұрын
We teach.our daughters never want anyone that don't want u ! Don't be a door mat!
@treanaalfred1484 ай бұрын
I see some Natalie Cole.
@symone66564 ай бұрын
Same!!
@PrettybuoyJones19924 ай бұрын
Yep
@kor4054 ай бұрын
Ooh wow … Exactly 🎉
@JenniferDorsey-n8o4 ай бұрын
Yes lord indeed the resemblance they both are naturally beautiful ❤️❤️
@Abbys4114 ай бұрын
I said the same thing!!!’
@mgtv54824 ай бұрын
Nice to know about the loving family life they had.
@duvaldani66724 ай бұрын
I would be under the jail!! I have a new respect for Cookie
@marciat74653 ай бұрын
Facts
@donnajeffreys82523 ай бұрын
She didn't Love herself enough to let him go. She stayed when she should've moved on. Publicly humiliating her , all of his cheating , close to a nervous breakdown. That's not love.
@terriharris79713 ай бұрын
Cookie is as REAL SWEET Genuine SOUL AND SPIRIT of a Human Being ❣️🤩 May God’s Continuous Blessings overtakes Her like a Tropical Rain🙏🏼🔥❤️👑🤩
@graceporteous63234 ай бұрын
Cookie is a strong woman to stay with someone who cheated on her and received a terminal illness. Not sure if he would do the same for her. I wish them well.
@Blake3_34 ай бұрын
It's actually the opposite of strength and money was definitely a factor. Magic played with Cookie for years, even so far as repeatedly postponing their wedding. Even after the diagnosis, he still wasn't faithful.
@KierraDemus4 ай бұрын
Cookie a real woman 🥺this convo was so good
@AmErikaMonique4 ай бұрын
I wanted to love this Interview so bad. But something was off, I don’t know if it was chopped up, omitting some parts, rushed, or if Cookie was Giving “oh everything was perfect” responses. 🤷🏽♀️love them both none the less
@EvaGulledge-sj6yb3 ай бұрын
Oprah was asking the questions and answering them too
@EvaGulledge-sj6yb3 ай бұрын
God is awesome and faithful and there's no limitations on our God almighty to him be glory and honor and all praise
@annettelyles9753 ай бұрын
Amen
@Bannerkim13 ай бұрын
God is so loving and kind. I heard their story years ago as they held time together. I see the sharing in a continuous and appreciate the candor expression. Amen
@stephleesimmons85013 ай бұрын
It also sounds like she was kinda happy with the situation, that's why when i hear people say I've been married for such and such years I'm not moved by that because you never know what's been going on within that marriage.
@XDotcom2033 ай бұрын
Liked your comment because I was married for 21yrs.....my friends are/ were married for similar periods. No one should be moved by that....by other things within that...but that, nah.
@fruitofthespiritgalatians58564 ай бұрын
I'm enjoying listening to Cookie Johnson!
@queenjones49762 ай бұрын
I really have a lot of respect for you, Cookie. You are the epitome of a real Queen. Magic is blessed to have u. Our heart aches will lead us to Christ, are we will live completely in the world. You and Magic are a class act
@bertstokes85184 ай бұрын
I love the fact that she stood beside her husband no matter what she stood by hom
@elainefreeze1254 ай бұрын
I need this as a mini series! Such a powerful story.
@COJ29764 ай бұрын
Oprah allow cookie to talk
@debbief31674 ай бұрын
Oprah, Oprah, Oprah WHY can't you have an interview and allow the person to speak. It would have been a better interview. No need for you to answer or cut her off!
@tammyyoung41994 ай бұрын
It’s her style. It’s her show. She’s very successful in doing so. There’s proof of that. Everything is not for everyone so if you don’t like it, you don’t have to watch her or listen to her. Maybe you should go into journalism and start your own show or network.
@freddiefitch60274 ай бұрын
I agree I know that is what Oprah do is talk but please let Cookie talk Dam!
@brendajackson134 ай бұрын
@@tammyyoung4199 Wow!
@cynthiathomas92553 ай бұрын
Oprah Oprah went for over over, talks in this in a few. She needs to be quiet and let the person she’s interviewing speak freely. What’s wrong with this woman? I agree with you all.
@andriaprayer43183 ай бұрын
She has issues
@rhondafloyd75683 ай бұрын
God loves Praise. ❤
@AnnaLam-y8w4 ай бұрын
The fact that he broke it off so many times indicates to me that he was wresting with something - that something I believe is the same issue his son has wrestled with. I do not believe that he contracted this from female groupies.
@AlonzoEley4 ай бұрын
Yep, I Totally Agree. Just Look Back At How Him, And Isiah Thomas Used Kiss Each Other IN The Mouth, Before Games.
@SoilderforChrist214 ай бұрын
What you said makes lots of sense, it started somewhere.. smh
@honeybee80024 ай бұрын
These men who USUALLY end up with AIDS/HIV, are USUALLY ON THE DOWN LOW, AND DIDN'T GET THESE DISEASES FROM WOMEN!!!!! When I was in my mid 20's, I ended up with such a man, who ended up with having the disease and finding out, as I was on my way OUT THE DOOR!!! He was on the down low and preferred MEN (transvestites!!!!!!) I was living at home in Chicago a the time on the north side and these men would ONLY come out after 1:00 am in the morning and he'd go riding ALMOST EVERY NIGHT on his bike to see these men, even after his diagnosis!!!!!!!!!!!
@lilit3844 ай бұрын
I agree. I read somewhere that he was involved with singer Jermaine Stewart who died of AIDS.
@cchris59584 ай бұрын
Yup this girl refused this man his freedom and she paid (and got paid) dearly
@boldmover4 ай бұрын
Stop cutting into her answer, Oprah
@NaNa-ed7sn4 ай бұрын
😂
@adrienebuford7504 ай бұрын
I know right that’s rude Oprah
@lillianpoole31684 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing!!!!
@thirdstonefromthesun4854 ай бұрын
Best comment ever. 👌 I fully agree with you.
@theonly12584 ай бұрын
Can’t help herself…narcissistic. Control freak
@GloriaPhilips-k9r4 ай бұрын
God Bless your Cookie and Magic
@yo-yowilliams20223 ай бұрын
God is love. No matter what. I don't care what your sexual preference is...I will still love you.
@beatscatmommy17353 ай бұрын
Wow Cookie is a saint. I would not have put up with 10% of what she has put up with.
@sherrygibson79714 ай бұрын
So glad couples learn how to work through adversity.
@GodsFaithfulnessMatters2Me3 ай бұрын
Ugh, I’m literally ONLY 15 minutes in and SICK OF OPRAH cutting off her every statement/responses and answers! 🤦🏽♀️🙆🏽♀️🙆🏽♀️🙆🏽♀️🙆🏽♀️🙆🏽♀️
@debramills7404 ай бұрын
God was speaking to her when he kept cancelling the wedding for her to move on.
@ClayHarris-g4r3 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤love from Australia.Clay? GOD has always got our backs
@cindyphillip30524 ай бұрын
Oprah plz let her speak 🤷♀️
@erikacruz46093 ай бұрын
Cookie is beautiful and one of a kind.
@mycouturelife63924 ай бұрын
Something is off about this lady. She seems to have Lil to no awareness. I don't know she is a very nonchalant woman. She appears to accept a bit much
@yesitskitti4 ай бұрын
So true. Well worded. Something not quite right about her thinking, self love.
@simplybeautiful41174 ай бұрын
For the love of money
@mycouturelife63924 ай бұрын
I was skeptical about posting a comment like this but it looks like someone sees what i see.@yesitskitti
@mycouturelife63924 ай бұрын
@simplybeautiful4117 I didn't want to offend anyone but I had to voice my opinions to see if anyone else agrees. Wow
@cjohnson66344 ай бұрын
@@simplybeautiful4117That’s what it is right there!!!
@AVRILROOTS4 ай бұрын
one of a kind he is luckily but you are special@Godbless
@PamJennings-n3x3 ай бұрын
Wow, god's power personified. She is quite the human, thank you for the example of strength. 💝
@jackiejones27884 ай бұрын
Great Interview
@ReginaDennard-f5l4 ай бұрын
Omg really Oprah can you be quiet five minutes?
@hadassah78273 ай бұрын
Thank, I can't stand her anti God self
@michellesharonhector-johns46093 ай бұрын
God is the same yesterday and today he does not change.
@janiceporter51174 ай бұрын
Oprah... O... Pleaseeee. Where is Steadman?
@alezidk58914 ай бұрын
They say if you can't say anything nice don't say nothing at all
@HalfandHalf19834 ай бұрын
Why interview someone if you're going to keep interrupting your guest
@Zepo-10614 ай бұрын
This is a great interview ! Oprah is on 🔥.
@MalikaStaar4 ай бұрын
Perfect love casts out all sin...UNCONDITIONAL LOVE!!!!
@annaperrycoleman39324 ай бұрын
Thank You
@1STREAMTV3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, how is it 25 years since the press conference. The event happened in 1991 not 1989.
@junie33953 ай бұрын
Child couldn't be me. She been chasing after that man. He settled for her because of his sickness.
@MissPickles223 ай бұрын
She's still delusional 😢
@LadyJpraise2024unbound4 ай бұрын
Ya, u jumped a stage😅 Oprah showed put! This woman was hanging on to this man all her life, bigly. Now he has to stay committed to one woman who wants him. All else too scared
@honeybee80024 ай бұрын
AMEN!!!!!!!! That's why he kept POSTPONING the wedding 3 times!!! And don't get me wrong, I think Magic has always LOVED Cookie, but he wasn't ready to settle down with her at that time!!! He was toooooooo BUSY SATISFYING every other woman for that!!! BUT, when he was diagnosed with the AIDS virus, then he MARRIED her!!! He even put the wedding together because Cookie REFUSED to plan ANOTHER wedding for the 4th time, so she told him, "you plan the wedding!!!!!" And they got married in a half a** wedding that Magic put together!!! Everyone NOTICED how the wedding DIDN'T HAVE A WOMAN'S TOUCH!!!!!!!!!!!
@derondahorton94562 ай бұрын
@@honeybee8002 he was diagnosed after marriage
@lingud80023 ай бұрын
Oprah is asking realistic questions, and Cookie you are 1 of a kind ❤❤❤
@TijasWorld4 ай бұрын
1991? damn. i was born that year.
@derekgriffin47033 ай бұрын
This interview is 8 years old!!
@sunshineheaven18024 ай бұрын
We need to consult God before doing things and during and after. Magic was not that into her, but she made her pick and stuck to it. I applaud her and God listens to us and helps us even when we insist on hurtful situations. Glad she found her purpose.
@kor4054 ай бұрын
Ooh really …..😂 That’s why he married her ??? He was deeply into her …. That’s why he married her !!! That’s what men do if they r into you !!! The money and fame get into his young „stupid „ head that’s all !!!
@sunshineheaven18024 ай бұрын
@@kor405 I hear you, all I am saying is he was not into her at first but she persisted. If she had not, he would not have gone in that direction; many men are afraid to commit. And yes money and fame play a part since some people will always choose a career over anything. Plus they started off so young. And he loves his career/work. Obviously, now that he is older and wiser, he knows better the benefits of family.
@krissit18744 ай бұрын
@@sunshineheaven1802He who finds a wife not she who persists I don’t know everything about their relationship but it would have been very hard for me to stay for fear of contracting the disease
@AVRILROOTS4 ай бұрын
the unnown Prayer of the Good@Godbless
@Topbilling45894 ай бұрын
Oprah won’t allow her to complete a sentence. So annoying.
@MaryHayes-si1xy4 ай бұрын
I noticed that also , but I think she helping Cookie out because it taking her too long to say what she needs to say , or get her thoughts across .
@dunyroyer82694 ай бұрын
I hope you sell your books
@TradeWynn653 ай бұрын
Let the woman speak Oprah.
@christinadickson3113 ай бұрын
What god exactly are they referring to ?
@CHEKnows3 ай бұрын
How can a person say they love you and throw this blow or any kind of blow to you 😢
@supremlyfoxylass4 ай бұрын
It would be nice to hear what Cookie has to say but rude Oprah keeps cutting her off and has to be the diva…🤮
@1browngirl294 ай бұрын
And despite your criticism, Oprah made her living doing interviews and is a billionaire
@supremlyfoxylass4 ай бұрын
@@1browngirl29 imagine that and as evil as they come
@hadassah78273 ай бұрын
@1browngirl29 what does that mean, doesn't mean she isn't annoying
@derondahorton94562 ай бұрын
ugh i can hardly finish the interview with Oprah interrupting her and looking at Cookie .. she is sharing her faith and there goes Oprah interrupting... geez
@TSM-tv8hy3 ай бұрын
Somebody should’ve taught cookie that rejection is for your protection.. this story is an example
@HollywoodTeaParty4 ай бұрын
I could neverrrrrrr money make u do crazy things
@SpiritualLifeCoach434 ай бұрын
I feel you. Ad if the shoe was on the other foot, Magic would be gone. He was already out here in these streets too.
@GraceLongwe-gn7ix4 ай бұрын
If he was poor she would be gone this happened to me met this guy then the question came I said do you mind us getting tested he was like oh no we use protection I said I prefer to get tested so I know then the next thing he’s telling me oh no can we be friends then he turns things around saying would u date someone with diabetes someone who Is less this someone with a disability someone older than u I said man what are you own about I’ve dated someone older than me then he says do u know someone can have HIV and not be able to pass it to you and you can have kids but those kids not be HIV I was like man I only asked you if u u want to be tested then he said I have it I screamed on the phone I asked a silly question like how did u get it then he said why are you shocked we haven’t slept together then the next thing he said I was joking I wanted to see your reaction then he rang me the following day saying not to call him again so I’m left with questions does he have it then if I had accepted to go out with someone I would be worried all the time if something happens then I get it so big up to Cookie because I don’t think I could do it myself knowing he was cheating for him to get it big up cookie
@HollywoodTeaParty4 ай бұрын
@@GraceLongwe-gn7ix wow u dodged a bullet but exactly if money was not involved she would of been gone with the wind
@donnajeffreys82523 ай бұрын
I don't know if it was money or her just being a desperate naive woman who did not respect or love herself enough to let him go
@genallemurphy42523 ай бұрын
@@GraceLongwe-gn7ix
@arnethasanderselmire41434 ай бұрын
Love you Cookie and Oprah ❤❤
@queenjones49762 ай бұрын
Marriage is work. The different stages of life will make u or break you
@stephleesimmons85013 ай бұрын
It sounds like to me even though Cookie was in a marriage she was really single. And when you are a single woman you needs to have a close relationship with God.
@celesteelijah25153 ай бұрын
Oprah....please let your guest do the talking....please do not interrupt. Thank you O.
@soritadejarnette69534 ай бұрын
I'm so proud of Oprah. She represents a woman in charge.....
@derondahorton94562 ай бұрын
Oprah was too opinionated in this interview. She kept cutting her off and it almost felt like she was showing disdain for Cookie's decision to stay with him... the comment about him calling other women "that could have taken days" was unnecessary and rude ...
@KwikVideoMaker4 ай бұрын
her stories of EJ is cute, we like their energy🥰
@kimtillery19484 ай бұрын
SHUT UP OPRAH
@MissPickles223 ай бұрын
Cookie needed Iyanla 😂
@jfitzgerald60393 ай бұрын
Gotta say this is one of those Oprah interviews that leaves me somewhat perplexed. Not really sure how to receive it. Kinda reminds me of the Whitney interview.
@ajsimmons72394 ай бұрын
Faith... Amen
@quoteme.goddess69573 ай бұрын
Oprah wears me out with how she cuts Cookie off. Does she really see her or hear her?