Oxford Debate LIVE: Will Asia's Rise Lead to a New World Order?

[@paulianas1782]

Civilization started in Asia. Asia embraced the rise of the West just fine. Why now when the curve goes back to Asia, there has to be any problem on the West?..

[@JameBlack]

Civilization started in Middle East which is basically Europe

[@hehe-mq2bk]

@@JameBlack no. It's West Asia. Not Europe. Arabs are very far from Europeans

[@云水-w4j]

@@JameBlackMiddle East is 100% in Asia

[@paulianas1782]

@@JameBlack Middle East means 'the middle part/region/section of the East'.

[@snoopysnoops007]

@@JameBlack are you dumb? LOL

[@sebastiankingong7536]

China and South East Asia nations except Pinoy will experience impressive economic performance. The Western involvement of the wars in Europe, and the Middle East will further deteriorate the Western economic performance.

[@ZhenYae]

Filipinos and Indians are ' Anglo Saxon! ' 🤣

[@zjarslipformpaver189]

​@@ZhenYae Filipinos and Indians are Anglo Saxons' loyal servants.

[@yomamasohot6411]

​@@ZhenYae exactly! I understand having favourites but to not name the fastest growing major economy in the world is just living in denial.

[@ZhenYae]

@yomamasohot6411 It was meant as sarcasm. And why would Indians want to contain China, if not for that sick and demented Anglo-Saxon mentality? Zero Sum?! How will Indians ever hope to check on the Chinese when they trail behind China's at least six times? The world does not need Indians, but the world needs China for their productive outputs currently enjoyed by the world, which will prevail in the future. They won't fail the Chinese, and the Chinese won't fail them either.

[@ZhenYae]

@yomamasohot6411 It was meant as sarcasm. And why would Indians want to contain China, if not for that sick and demented Anglo-Saxon mentality? Zero Sum?! How will Indians ever hope to check on the Chinese when they trail behind China's at least six times? The world does not need Indians, but the world needs China for their productive outputs currently enjoyed by the world, which will prevail in the future. They won't fail the Chinese, and the Chinese won't fail them either.

[@iScoopyPal]

The first speaker possesses critical thinking. She is informed and analyzes information coherently. The second speaker is a high school-level debater. She has no intellectual ability and is unable to connect the dots. The third speaker is a good backup for the first speaker. The last speaker is still living under a rock. He is clueless.

[@ZhenYae]

And they will end up in Western Governments echo chambers.

[@deewhy8854]

One thing about the second speaker that stuck in my mind: shes incorrect that overseas universities are preferred to China's own ie inferior (so implied). The reason, as I understand, is it is extremely difficult to get into China's top Uni's in particular Peking Uni and Tsinghua Uni; as such have opted to pursue university education in US and other western countries like UK, Australia especially those who can afford western university education (there're many wealthy Chinese).

[@F3CKTHEZIOS]

@@deewhy8854 also many people study abroad as a adventure and fun and yes many western university are prestigious/good so lots of people also study abroad. top western universities had a big advantage as they are quite old and prestigious with greatly funded meanwhile China didn't had that back in the day but now they have all the ability of compete with them. china has over billion of people so its not unusual to see Chinese people in major western universities lol as not every Chinese can go to universities such as pekings

[@Therhythmofthemachines]

belt and road initiative is crumbling before our eyes, and no Chinese diplomat have mentioned AIIB since its inauguration. She likes to bring about names, but clueless about reality and what is happening on the ground, just like what all civil servants and bureaucrats are.

[@wonderworld7721]

[@hehe-mq2bk]

Asia is the future. This is without a doubt. NVIDIA which has an Asian founder shows that asians are just as capable or even surpass whites in innovation and production... Asia will rule omce agian as it has for millenia... Our greatest driver will be tech, the majority of which will have A LOT of asians involved

[@ZhenYae]

Harmonious living unlike the West that will take precedence.

[@somap8380]

They are already involved.

[@zjarslipformpaver189]

A great majority of the talents working in US and European tech companies are Chinese

[@xoho3462]

@@zjarslipformpaver189what they’re saying is asian nations, are the future.

[@dunzhen]

Asians like the fourth speaker are the kind that are never willing to believe, even disturbed by the idea that Asians can be peers to anything white or western in any way. I'm tellin ya

[@vanveakrin276]

Chinese increase in the use of robots will help the Chinese to increase productivity and AI will help to accelerate the improvement in future designs

[@Facts..Checker]

Meanwhile, India will continue to BS and stay ahead of all.

[@privacyhelp]

@Facts..Checker Mexico will be ahead of India.

[@SokhomPrins]

China robbed the world, waging WW3. My memoir Love of Life - A Miraculous Story! rewrite aspect of world history. The book tell the story that no one ever heard of.

[@ZhenYae]

@@Facts..Checker said, is it not. they will do worse than the collapsing west. they have hegemonic tendencies like their colonial masters.

[@ArmageddonIsHere]

​@@Facts..Checker Your fear of India is palpable. And very well founded. At the rate China is falling, India will be kicking you around in about a decade. Believe me, India hasn't forgotten Chinese superciliousness directed at it.

[@MnyaradziMashoni]

Remember, divide and rule principle. By the British, it worked for them and it's still being used today.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

It worked for them until it didn't work anymore. Now they are declining fast!😮

[@vinpatrel7517]

@@SPECIALTRADER1continue to dream

[@SokhomPrins]

China’s Xi stole the world, waging WW3. My book rewrites world history.

[@realchinachina2539]

@@vinpatrel7517duck

[@juki0h391]

@@vinpatrel7517 It is. The west is in decline. The world is moving forward while the west is still thinking about imperialism.

[@rgg1642]

Classic British: Talking about rising without any speaker from India and China or Asia.

[@acrux4556]

That's the real point here they are not talking for Indians/ Chinese or Asians. They are talking for western audience.

[@peterpph126]

Even the name, Asia Society, is a misnomer

[@louisschumacher]

LOL. thank you, this is the best comment I read today.

[@GeoScorpion]

@@peterpph126 It's not a misnomer: It's a largely Western academic group that studies Asia, not an Asian group that studies Asia (and certainly not a Chinese group that promotes 'China' in the name of representing all of Asia)

[@GeoScorpion]

Also, the one guy on the right is Asian. He even said he's from Korea and has a Korean accent.

[@sunsun7762]

This is one of the worst debate I have ever seen, the opposing team is absolutely Clueless.

[@krishanugoldar2747]

🌍🌏🌟🎉🙇‍♀️🫁🫀🧠❤️🌍🌏🌟🎉

[@nanyanguo1]

intentionally clueless to tout western talking points. about China.and even put an asian face to do it.

[@jakeh5799]

We call that the token Asian

[@kindface]

After less than a minute into John Lee's opening remarks, I've had to switch off and out. Not sure how and where he's been spending his last 10-15 years but for him to speak of the "First World" still being in commanding lead in tech etc, you know where this discussion is heading when someone is so far out there bathed in delusion or denial.

[@richardparker1338]

Hah! That's as far as I got.

[@kamsang686]

he got aaian face know nothing about asia Zero.

[@ZhenYae]

@@kamsang686 Imbued with Western....😁😁

[@Hockss]

Asian face but live in the West

[@stefenleung]

That's the favor's fault. "First world" aren't exactly in commanding lead in tech. On many field like 5G, transit, rockets, robotic, green energy, nuclear energy, etc. China is better. Also "technology" is useless if you can't manufacture products out of it.

[@GIZMO3380]

😂😂😂 Obviously, a Western Audience. 😂 John & Abigael presentation was so factual and clear while Julia & Lee was basically out of scope and full of irrelevant justification.

[@stefenleung]

I think it's the point for debate. They would never win to just talk about fact. They can win by twisting the topic and create confusion to the audience. That's how politician works.

[@juhantoon6524]

The 2 opponent speakers are arguing just like the US politicians and the Anglo Saxon news medias ie : twist and turn with no fact and even lying.

[@News2020-b4u]

👍👍👍👍

[@ZhenYae]

Stuck in their Western thoughts, shenanigans and hubris. That is all they are now.

[@peterpph126]

Don’t blame them as they thought were formed & manipulated with the daily bombardment by their governments & msm

[@GeoScorpion]

@@ZhenYae Why aren't you at the front, supporting your Russian brothers?

[@GeoScorpion]

Hmm... one side is saying that Asia WILL rise and the other is saying that it won't, so you are saying they are both lying? LOL! Also, they may not have had a choice about which side they are supposed to argue. It may have been assigned randomly: It's an Oxford Debate.

[@SilverforceX]

John Lee is still living in the 90s in his head. China has the lead in most technology fields these days.

[@sportsonwheelss]

The Chinese send their kids outside the country because their kids are not good enough to compete at home. It is 10 times easier to go to quality school aboard than quality school in China. If you haven't notice that the gold medalist and silver medalist on the math and science olympiads are consistently between the US and China. If you look at the picture between the two team, you can barely recognize which country they represent if it wasn't for the flag behind them.

[@GeoScorpion]

LOL! My own Chinese graduate-level computer engineering tutoring students at Northeastern are utterly SHOCKED to learn they can't just sit back and coast, playing video games and automatically gaining their degrees like their colleagues in China's elite universities. They actually have to work and think and problem-solve in ways many are completely unprepared for. When the Chinese students who study in the West return home to China, they are picked first for jobs over those who went to Chinese colleges. Even the CCP-published data doesn't bother to lie about that (mostly because it's their kids who are going to foreign schools).

[@sportsonwheelss]

@@GeoScorpion nice story. was that like 20 yrs ago? Try to update your info. Kids come back from the States no longer get preferential treatment. actually are frowned upon. Were you mistaken for Japanese student in the case of costing in University?

[@GeoScorpion]

@@sportsonwheelss Universities in the USA and UK (probably other Western Nations) publish stats (without faking the data the way the CCP does) so there are several different ways using several different data sources to see how many Chinese graduates from US colleges go back to China with fast-tracked job opportunities v.s. the number alleged even by stroked and padded CCP data.... OH! Wait! That's right! The CCP doesn't even publish Youth Unemployment Data after the fake "Official" numbers hit over 21+% and the real, unofficial estimates were closer to 40%. The funny thing is that Chinese graduates from US colleges and universities were largely unaffected by the downturn. You can look it up yourself from any data source in any language from any transparent country. (drops the mic, exits stage Left) 🤣😘

[@逍遥鸿]

@@GeoScorpion Chinese companies will prioritize recruitment from domestic universities over foreign ones. Unless you are a specialized subject

[@jerrellholder8382]

​@GeoScorpion bro this ain't 2000s

[@vanveakrin276]

Chinese industrial output will move into high Value engineering products and the Chinese technicians will produce more high value products.. which will make Chinese output the leaders of the World industrial output..

[@richardparker1338]

This is already the case.

[@salamanders6969]

Really? How do you know that? You must have access to insider information that others don’t.

[@richardparker1338]

@@salamanders6969 Just look at solar panels, battery technology, eVehicals, factory automation, space station, railways. China is way ahead of anything the US can produce. Europe's industry is hollowed out, and with no more cheap and reliable gas from Russia, it is destined for nowhere.

[@vanveakrin276]

Russian will support raw materials for future Chinese productions for Chinese New industrial output ... Chinese consumer population will adapt , and Chinese consumer population will improve their incomes , all will depend on volume of future demand and future Output ...

[@kaimanyu586]

@@salamanders6969 according to ASPII, an Australian thinktank, China is leader in 90% of the 44 essential technologies. China produces more ships than the whole world combined. China manufacturing capabilities is larger than US, EU and Japan combined. China produces 5 million STEM graduates each year, the US only 300.000. The "flip" has already happened, John lee is a dumb clown, who knows nothing about China.. His colleague, she is just as clueless...

[@lisashung9442]

The Second Lady speaker: Africa is fast growing and will be more prosperous in future. However, its starting points are too far below Asian countries…….the governing system, living standards, education, infrastructure, tech…….nothing comparable to Asia…….the gap between these two at least 30 years apart.

[@JUMLAN-z3p]

ok,let me see what japan look like in 1990……

[@Steve-so7uk]

yes true Africa needs a lot of catching up especially Infrastructure and increasing their HDI through education, acquire new skills, health, R and D and discipline. The culture of hard working and diligent is found in many South, South East and North Asia and East Asian countries.

[@riderchallenge4250]

@@JUMLAN-z3p japan was the second largest economy in 1990, was developed nation even that time it was the most technologically advanced nation on planet.

[@nnnnn_xx]

@@JUMLAN-z3pJapan is very developed even in 1990 :))

[@pcstar123]

This LEE throws around a lot of big terms and names which I doubt he even understood, I'm completely at a loss what he's talking about!

[@winglaileung]

亞洲與中國現沒有太多和牛津聯繫，俗稱'关你屁事'，自作多情。

[@thomaslee2783]

对你的问题的简单解释是：一个垂死的帝国试图看起来重要。In English: A simple explanation for your question: a dying empire try to look important.

[@tempuser109]

Agreed

[@yodaichi888]

​@thomaslee2783 u mean the west😅

[@bunnyhei]

哈哈哈哈​@@thomaslee2783

[@yangli7279]

啊哈？在大陆，我们会经常讨论希腊罗马文明、西方帝国的崛起，欧美文明和经济文化的影响，即便我们和他们没有太多联系，这是自作多情吗？

[@zhenluo5891]

i admitted i was atrracted by the headline which had mentioned “oxford debate”，now it damged the image of it in my head。there is no quality，its a pity。

[@Shravani_Batte]

Yeah even Asian kids would do better debate than them 😅

[@MnyaradziMashoni]

Brics countries will be buying made in Russia, china, india ect.

[@blahblah-yx7bl]

made in russia?? india????

[@jp-h-0221]

@@blahblah-yx7bl Weapon, curry...

[@somap8380]

India produces vast number of things; anything you use has an Indian touch, directly or indirectly.

[@cryptorenegade1406]

Anything you use has an Indian touch, yeah like the manual wash boards for laundry which is polluting the rivers in india

[@appsb4537]

@@jp-h-0221 Russia's weapons exports had declined even before they went into Ukraine again in 2022. France overtook them last year.

[@vincentleung7442]

Debating "Will" not "How"? These guys are seriously out of touch 😂

[@ZhenYae]

Western World, Western IDEALISM, Western Hubris. Western ....

[@anjunadeep.8384]

The WEST are SO AFRAID of asia's rise.... Hahahahhaa

[@willthecat3861]

No. Asia isn't China. No one's afraid of China... except maybe the Chinese. The West just doesn't want to rely on China (to do anything) ... or in some cases to trade with China. And, the West doesn't have to do either. And, there is little that Xi can do about it.

[@PerriBelcourt]

Russia has alot of resources given to China

[@mahardhikawirapratama7674]

Yes bro, we as Asians should united. India and China should make peace and focus to develop the region. I'm as Indonesian and bankers support asian countries to enter first world country. We must develop energy independency trough tech like reactor "the new sun" that develops by China. So the US with their dollars and Europe will not gain any respect in the region. The dollars is backed by US oil reserve.

[@imbuchem]

​@@mahardhikawirapratama7674China should make peace with India. China should stop making false claims of the lands that is in India and people of India resides.

[@anjunadeep.8384]

@@imbuchem You should study history.

[@diontv2546]

The western world were busying themselves in geopolitics and wars, we in Asia were focusing in developing the world that the western world had destroyed and conquered.

[@oreradovanovi5204]

First Q is ridiculous Min39 no mention of the imperialism

[@MnyaradziMashoni]

The first speaker is a ✨ star

[@tatlervince]

Greeting from TADETADE BLEND by VINCE KYLam. Thank you so much such an amazing conversation and great profound speaker. TQVM.

[@dougspray7160]

Goodness gracious. I have only viewed the first few minutes but where is a Chinese Professor or similar on this panel. Have you people viewed Chinese discussions on world problems, always a good mix of intelligent participants from China, America, India, Singapore Asia generally, sometimes Europeans, etc. For your and your viewers education involve Chinese Professors and Chinese Pundits on these types of debates.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

Exactly!!

[@appsb4537]

Do you have anything you'd recommend? It's genuinely difficult finding discussion in Britain that isn't like this.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

@@appsb4537 All of the western panels pretty much suck!

[@caojason-ph2pg]

We Chinese happy to see the West world is addicted to John Lee's opinion. Hope they are keeping statisfy&trust their strength and priority. But we Chinese welcome your visit and discover a real China with your eyes. And we trust communication and used to learn from each other.

[@GeoffHyde]

Been to China many times, done with that! Surveillance is so welcoming!

[@vanveakrin276]

It will depend on the Future sales of C919 and C929 . which will replace Boeing and Airbus

[@Wwmmgg95554]

Kashor Mabubani is a senior singapore diplomatic and well-known academics expert on Asian rising. He said, "Last two hundred years of western domination is aspirations in the two thousand years human history. Rising Asian is returning historical normal.

[@GeoffHyde]

Kishor, like John Mearshimer, and Ray Dalio spruik the same old crap about China going to take over. Good at drones! Why do many Western countries not want Chinese EVs?

[@bhubestakesoponsatien1143]

Simple, can one produce just household goods in their countries? Is it competitive ? New world order, is nothing new , just accept what is coming and live happily

[@Steve-so7uk]

RCEP was the greatest invention led by ASEAN that created trade turnover of USD 2 Trillions within the member countries ( China, Japan, South Korea, ASEAN , Australia and New Zealand ). RCEP Zone has a total population of 2.3 Billions alone but it 's GDP PPP is already around USD 60 Trillions in 2024. You can see so much wealth in ASIA nowadays . So yes there is a party in DC that is envious and you can add Russia in the mix with RCEP as well.

[@stevegao306]

Four people are involved, three are white and one is Asian, talking about Asian things

[@採菊绚麗]

Learn Chinese Civilisation, Confucianism -Taoism political History and Culture of the pre - colonial era ( two to three thousands years ago) more thoroughly and we will recognise why there's China rejuvenation . The pains of self proclaimed righteousness and racist in the name of White man Burden" colonialism lives on today. To the 88% of the who live outside the Western Bloc, evidently, World Disorder began in the 18th Century when colonialism, White supremacism, slavery, cultural genocide, exploitative capitalism and violence perpetuate ruthless imperialism and political bigotry, Zionism destroy peace, harmony stability and prosperity.

[@ZhenYae]

They missed out on the Axial Age. They are still the savages who have adopted and adapted to social Darwinism. Quite the animalistic.

[@ZhenYae]

They missed out on the Axial Age. They are quite the animalistic individuals as a society that have adopted and adapted to social Darwinism. The jungle...,

[@ZhenYae]

My comment was deleted...

[@anonymintheworld9781]

well said！

[@ZhenYae]

@@biggpicture2930 Feudalism.

[@knowledgepower839]

Asia is being discussed but their is no direct Asian representation 😂😂

[@MgWynn]

The first lady and her partner are well informed and knowledgeable. As an Australian, I believe harmony is much more favorable than warmonger like the US and allies.

[@PahatRout]

Why is the BRI being seen as an expansion of her ideology? Isn't it just economic development? This simply shows how the West likes to see China's policy as exporting her way of governance to the poor developing nations just because it is not able to compete with China's industrialization and development programs. India really is struggling to set up a fairer society within her population.

[@MnyaradziMashoni]

Correct l agree with you, the century of the dragon 🐉

[@vanveakrin276]

Chinese Rail system is changing into Nitrogen Maglev which will run at 700 km / hour minimum... thus the Chinese Nitrogen Maglev system will reduce the use of jet engine..

[@cryptorenegade1406]

China has the "Great Hall of the people" USA has the "Great Hall of the Ultra-Rich"😂😂

[@John_Frederick08]

China has more gold than Americans lol

[@migspeculates]

Sure the 80 million members of the CCP represent the 1 billion, sounds convincing

[@Niharikahappygirl]

​@@John_Frederick08even poorest Indian women wears more gold daily as compared to per population of them.

[@alyasagan3620]

I think what lee is all assumption .. he does not understand new technology... He is still think the steam tech... He does not understand the change today... The power is shift is there already...

[@eufinn9943]

Julia Ganter's group lost the debate from the beginning because they failed to define what the West Rule Based Order was. Of course, then it is difficult to argue why that order had to be kept and would not be changed. Arbigael's group seized it and immediately pointed the rule based order was actually an U.S. centered order. Julia's group could neither deny it nor defend it.

[@danecjensen]

Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe and @danecjensen) - 00:00 - Asias rise will lead to a new world order 00:30 - Asias rise and global challenges 01:41 - Team introductions ahead of debate 02:12 - Asias rise will lead to a new world order 07:32 - Asias rise and global order debate 10:12 - Brazils Amazon rainforest crucial for climate change leadership 13:14 - Responding to motion Julias & Abigails arguments 15:48 - World orders status quo or new order? 16:40 - World order was not based on internationalism during Cold War 20:19 - Rich countries role in global rebalancing 23:47 - Global economic growth Chinese exports welcome immigrants 25:50 - Chinas economic advantages over other Asian nations 27:13 - Chinas role in Asias future 31:08 - Global order under US hegemony collapsing 33:27 - Developing countries desire for reform, not overthrow 35:58 - Chinas role in international order 41:11 - Chinas influence, not reform, on global economy 42:30 - US rejects Chinas role in world order 43:42 - Indias dissatisfaction with global order 47:34 - Asias economic growth and resilience 51:41 - World order restructuring was driven by industrial revolution, not Chinas rise 53:04 - Economic indicators and outlook for Asia 55:22 - Asias rise will lead to a new world order 57:26 - Asiacentric world order risks missed opportunities 59:37 - World order under Trump unravels, common sense says 01:00:51 - Key points from John Lees closing statement 01:05:08 - Outgoing moderator noted more questions than answers

[@vanveakrin276]

The Thai High Speed train is fully booked for the next Few weeks ... thousands of Chinese are entering Lao for the Thai market daily . .. the Thai is converting their Thai pick up and car productions into electric with Chinese helps . .

[@anthonyng8817]

Why not change the title to "The downfall of the West "?

[@graceantonio3573]

THE LADY OF THE FIRST TEAM TO SPEAK, I LIKE HER LAST WORDS "WE CAN LIVE IN THAT WORLD OR LIVE IN DENIAL" AH! ALELUAH!!

[@vanveakrin276]

Indonesia people are coming up in the consuming market , so are the Indian consumer population....Thai and Vietnamese populations want to improve Their living standard , the CHINESE output will help these nations in ASEAN to achieve their desires..

[@enghongong]

Julia forgets that Africa and Brazil are looking to China for leadership in economic, infrastructure and technology development. In other words the rise in Asia, in particular China has brought the rise in Africa and Brazil. Not the other way round. She is amateurish in understanding of world's trends and the direction the world is going. John Lee, well, what can I say. A person who doesn't seem to read or get his facts right about technology and geopolitical realities centred around China. He is totally detached from reality. Amazing how a person like him can be a consultant for the future as he can't even get the present right. Good grief.

[@davidw1576]

I am disappointed to see Asia Society/Oxford had such low level (almost to a point of naive and ignorant) debate, especially on the opposition side and that John Lee is just a total loser

[@micahgetz872]

People are hating on John Lee, but in the argument "Will Asia's rise lead to a New World Order", you HAVE to ask... well, will Asia's rise lead to an end to existing world order: borders, UN, World Bank, SWIFT, WTO, NATO. You also HAVE to establish whether Asia's rise is the catalyst for change in the existing world order, which is why Julia Ganter references a middle powers group that John Lee points to existing since WWII- and I find that convincing.

[@micahgetz872]

Meanwhile, in their closing remarks John Delury defines the current world order as the post cold-war US unipolar moment, which I find less convincing as a definition for the "world order", but which we can all agree has ended (and perhaps only lasted from 1991-2001).

[@Brightly1122]

One question for Oxford "Is Asia not allowed to rise ?" Try answer this after seriously think about it !

[@WingkKong]

We are already in the Asia century The manufacturing Power of the world is in Asia now

[@Tkhan90s]

"what do various countries want versus what is actually happening." 👏🏽👏🏽

[@sumitaaggarwal1609]

The whole debate revolved around China, is the debate tittle wrong?

[@MnyaradziMashoni]

You are well informed what a Star ⭐

[@ramanbull]

I don’t quite understand their point of view, I have four sample viewpoints: 1. What is Technological innovation？ Transforming new technologies into productivity, and then copy them into everything that we need! 2. China find three important keys Infrastructure New energy and Artificial intelligence 3. China has a complete manufacturing environment 4. Healthy living environment .

[@Godonmars]

I think its difficult to replace the western world order aka American world order because all these people of Europe, USA and Australia are one and the same people not just in terms of ethnicity/race but also political system, economy, society, religion etc. One large same chunk of people spread over multiple countries which happened during the colonial period. This sameness is almost non-existent in emerging powers like China, India, Indonesia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. So, Asia will never be united because these countries will put their own interest first rather than collective interest so Asia will be more divided than united. The most likely scenario of the western decline is when immigrants replace white population and indians, chinese, arabs, africans together take over the western political institutions and change them to make the world more equitable and less hegemonic. Israel gaza issue is the perfect example. If non-whites would have been in charge of the white house, Israel would have never been able to do war crimes against the Palestinians.

[@JameBlack]

Unlikely to happen, first of all Norther Indians ot Iranians are basically Europeans, they speak roughly the same languages and they religiouns have many commonalities with Europe. In some sense they were colonized by Europeans but back in the day, in 2 millenia BCE. So we have basically China and the REST, China is the most distinct culture in the world.

[@hehe-mq2bk]

Well I'm glad immigrants are having more. Voices in the West like Europe, America, and AUS....these people when u look at the global scale are the minorities of the world... I think it's time we take that power and spread it to the majority. The future will be brighter

[@snoopysnoops007]

I think the power of technologies and information & technology transfer between these nations is huge. As someone who visits Pakistan very often, there is a great deal of trade, language exchange and business between the Pak and China sides. Situations like Palestine, Ukraine and Taiwan just drive the other fully sovereign Asian countries together (apart from US vassals)

[@privacyhelp]

You seem to forget that all the WW's started because fellow Europeans were at odds.

[@ZhenYae]

@@JameBlack Indians are Anglo SAXONS, we get it,

[@lipingwang9010]

I would be surprised if the pair who argued in favor of the motion would win in a western educated dominated audience. I would hope that it’s not a case of misplaced confidence for the winning team.

[@michaelchen4879]

It's always interesting to me whenever people in the west are debating the impact of the rise of China. I don't really care what their viewpoints meeting that of mine or not. The point is it is very good when there are more and more educated western youngers care quite much about the rise of China ,or the importance of Asian countries. The world is under reshaping. And China is undoubtedly playing the key role. Controversaries are essential to any debate. That's what "for and against" for. Good debate. Every speaker is the winner. Thank you very much for your wonderful presentation. And special thanks for Professor John Delury. You are really a very excellent chairman in this event.

[@waisee80]

Is John Lee reading from ChatGPT script? Just wondering which version so that I can avoid that programme... lame answers

[@vanveakrin276]

Other nations are not developing the future Robots like in China.. especially for Auto production and ships and train productions...

[@geechan4744]

Scale: 1945-2012 US with roughly 4% of world population and 25% of world GDP, led 6 % of world population (Euro+Japan +S Korea and others) to prosperity and collective security. China’s model is quite different. It is a skewed developing country, offering assistance to almost anyone (those tempering the One China Policy need not apply).

[@richiesd1]

Why not? Nothing lasts forever.

[@pcstar123]

The debate voting results shows those voting lives in a different universe!

[@kinchau4764]

Second speaker needs to go back to school, freshman high school at best.

[@Gyjfrhw-462DyAH]

I am Asian and the truth is Asian societies generally lack the culture and values that have brought human great progress and advancement since the scientific revolution. But Asian societies are changing and are adapting positive western values and thinking norms. But there is still so much more to learn and to unlearn. In the meanwhile let’s acknowledge a lot of the good we see in the world today comes from the west. People will inevitably mention colonialism, wars etc but all these are mere blips compared to the revolution brought about by western thinking

[@grouchypatch9185]

Is this really an "Asia Society"?

[@brighthouse5612]

I was of the view that Asia's rise would lead to a new world order, but after a debate, I came to believe in this.

[@heavenbright2342]

I do not think Julia and John believe their position. They just have to take that side of the debate because otherwise there is no debate.

[@felixf.3392]

It is unrealistic for the USA and its allies to catch up with the global South in terms of production capacity and thereby save their world order for the following reason: the old industrialized countries have outsourced their production capacities to the developing countries. The reason for this was that they wanted to generate the greatest possible profit for shareholders through low wages. As a result, the ruling class has placed itself at the forefront of value creation without letting the population share in the profits. For this reason, the old industrial nations are not producing steel and are closing coal mines. Because their industry is no longer competitive with developing countries due to their strong currencies and high wages. For this reason, Western economies can no longer exploit their production potential. That is why Russia, whose arms budget is ten percent as large as that of the USA, produces five times as much artillery. The ruling class in America and Western Europe wants to save a world order that has created the very problem described above. That is impossible.

[@happyah4459]

Anyone notice that the calculation is not right. For John Lee's team : The second row stated: Disagree before 22% and after is44%，that means the disagree with John Lee's team increased to 44% and the result should be -22%, not +22%. The other team should be the winner.

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

There already is one emerging. It is Yellen doing the flying.

[@rodongo5221]

The world is rules based only when those rules are set by just a fraction of the world. What happened to global democracy and freedom?

[@richg2881]

Who here wants to learn to speak and write Mandarin? Who here wants to eat with chop sticks? Who here wants to give up Western art and music? Who here wants to give up Western literature?

[@KavinduSiriwardana-v8z]

I want to learn Chinese.

[@phil20_20]

How about a bigger international co-operative? I'm thinking, "International" won't be isolated to Asia, or "The West", which really is an archaic concept in itself. Free nations are not limited by their geographic locations as malevolent dictatorships are. We are already expanding beyond ancient regions of "East" and "West."

[@kmich7660]

Believe we are up to our necks on Asia rise or otherwise. Let's have on West rise, decline or otherwise. What about Africa?

[@worldnews2660]

China Rise, Asia Rise and Africa also Rise.

[@blahblah-yx7bl]

africa is doing well with help with China

[@vanveakrin276]

Apple 🍎 iPhone is getting BEIDOU AI into their Next iPhone

[@poorchef1895]

Maybe ,. maybe not. Maybe they will sign Google Gemini, or even OpenAI's ChatGPT

[@sansin6250]

Too little too late for Apple! The Chinese are moving away from Apple products. The Chinese smartphones are every bit as good, if not better, than the latest iPhone. That's why Apple is desperate for new markets.

[@ZhenYae]

@@sansin6250 Soon Harmony OS will take over..

[@Steve-so7uk]

​@@sansin6250in my country Indonesia , the smartphone markets is dominated by Huawei, Xiaomi, OPPO etc and Samsung ...Apple will be slowly replaced and same will happen to Tesla.

[@sansin6250]

True, but only in China, South East Asia, parts of middle-east and Africa. Apple will still be king everywhere else.

[@FizuliAbilov]

This squirell in a wheel model pushes to give a single question, what kind of shape will provide rise of gdp. Most advanced studies suggest the regionalization answers that question in comparably satisfaying way for next decades. Comparably.

[@vanveakrin276]

Apple cannot develope AI systems for electric cars nor for future iPhone for satellite communication...so Apple 🍎 is negotiating to use Chinese Beidou AI for Future Apple 🍎 iPhone production...

[@paceye9063]

Two years later today, looking back at this discussion feels complex as China's economy worsens. More multinational companies are withdrawing from local businesses in China. The job market is not very favorable, with most people lacking weekends off and working long hours. Such countries are unable to expand to developed Western countries and often seek labor in less developed nations.

[@ubaka1979]

He made sure he didn't mention Russian though Chinese are involved, meanwhile the only country that's clearly breaking down the so called unipolar World order right now we know in the physical status is Russian federation is 😅😅😅

[@jaegyunkim4287]

Asia’s rise? Wdym my friends. China is global number 2, Japan is 3, India is 6 and South Korea is number 14. They have the most population in the world and countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines are the fastest growing economies in the world. The north Eastern Asia(china, Japan, South Korea) itself already surpassed Europe a while ago in terms of RnD investment, number of global corporates, GDP, etc.

[@rolandwong9306]

The concept of “world order” is Eurocentric; it was most relevant when European nations colonized much of the world and fought among each other. Asian countries, on the other hand, do not share the sentiments of Europeans (and their descendants, including the US). Asians are more harmonious, family-oriented, and less direct. The debate on “Will Asia's Rise Lead to a New World Order?” is an oxymoron. The words “Asia rise” and “New World Oder” contradict each other. Perhaps a better debate is whether “Will Asia’s rise lead to a more peaceful and prosperous world than the status quo?”

[@ZhenYae]

Good one. Too western centric of a topic to be discussed with Asians. Too much of a Western philosophy and approach to life and living for too long that has brought only wars, mayhem and misery for the world.

[@noorbjr3085]

The natural resources between the West and the East differ significantly. The West lacks the abundance of natural resources found in the East. However, the East, despite its wealth of natural resources, has historically been dependent on the West due to a lack of modern machinery. Currently, this dynamic is changing. China and India have the potential to replace Western machinery with their own. As a result, the world order will shift in the future, leading to a change in the balance of power.

[@kdnofyudbn5918]

This lady has no idea what's she's talking about.

[@baghchehmehtar]

John Lee was the greates debater. Well done!

[@anandawijesinghe6298]

Does Russia consider itself an Asian or a European country now and in the future ?

[@johncooper930]

To the Western world: When you are looking at 5000 years of history, that history is looking at you too

[@cr7wakk8]

凝视深渊的时候，深渊也在凝视你

[@samkakc]

Clearly the future belongs to everybody in the world, but only that Asia will hold the biggest portion of the pie.

[@AmeerHamza-cy6km]

can't wait to hire americans/westrens at 5 PKR (0.018USD)/ Hour remotely. Thank you.

[@mercysparks1403]

Foreign investments play a crucial part in the Chinese economy and the low labor cost is the main attraction and advantage to these western investors

[@henrym5043]

colonial order, not international order

[@Northmenn]

In conclusion, many things we think are impossible to happen until they happen

[@yongchen8204]

nonasians talk about what kind of lifes, issues and their norms people in asia should behave, live and aspirate according to white people. the panel reflects that. do these so called young experts know what people in asia need, desire, want and live about their daily life? probably not!

[@bertranbelzor9037]

That Caucasian woman keeps talking on behalf of Africa. I wonder what gives her that authority to speak on my behalf. I wonder what gives any Caucasian the right to talk on behalf of Africans.

[@barryneild379]

*She is trying to say something else to "counter" whatever she perceive as a rival* *Typical divide and conquer, for example whenever they discuss China they bring up India as to "counter" China's raise weather you or people of India agree with it (or being consulted with it) or not it is another matter*

[@barryneild379]

*Typical Caucasian behavior*

[@vanveakrin276]

Which country has the volume of consumer population to demand mass output for a New product .???......Only the Chinese .. the Chinese has the consumer population to move New products..

[@kunalsharma6636]

Funny statement by team speaking in favor - 'China's BRI follows rule based order'😂😂. We have seen how China follow rule based order in South China sea with Philippines 👎👎

[@MnyaradziMashoni]

The problem with asia, it not United.

[@finestrellacaustica]

It doesn't have to be, as long as it doesn't start playing war games as per western doctrine.

[@pikachus5m166]

With the US sowing discord and division.

[@JameBlack]

@@Time4Peace "Neither China nor India (and for that matter, Japan, South Korea or Indonesia) has a history of divide and rule or predatory behaviours." you litterally said SOUTH Korea, lol

[@sansin6250]

Europe was united only after World War II. NATO was formed in 1949. Unless Asia learns from European history, it will take World War III to get Asia united.

[@juki0h391]

It's better if they are separate countries. Independence is key to being strong. Look at EU, they are united, but they are in decline(mostly because of the US bringing them down). Weak countries will bring down the rest.

[@user-tl3vq8ex7e]

One of these two groups has studied India, another studied China, and each placed the perspectives of their respective countries. Nothing else.

[@eliotanderson6554]

India grew 8.3% in 2023-24 India build most highways and expressways under nitin gadkari he broke 8 new guiness world records in infrastructure building I see india slowly climbing up the supply chain so ...yeah thats there most indias would choose trump over china 😂

[@Facts..Checker]

8.3% was impressive but not good enough. To repeat China rapid and remarkable rise, u need 10% -15% continuously for almost 30 yrs. India didn't but in a roller coaster growth and even negative growth drg the pandemic. Hence, any growth no. was from a lower base no. If you do yr maths, the GDP hap btw the two countries is actually getting bigger not smaller. Another reason is China GDP is already 6x larger and India has a long way to go. To count on US, the best you become their junior partner and sweatshop for consumption economy. Best of all by just printimg money while u work yr asss off to get a piece of their paper. Just like US today, the easiest way to hide own failures or bad policies, is to find a boogeyman, China, as an excuse and to divert public attentions. Unfortunately, we.finally the dark side of the West today, but India's attitude, trustworthy and behavior are well known everywhere. Otherwise, try travel around abroad, and stop following misinformation media/MSM, u needn't go far to know!!

[@kthapa9697]

​​@@Facts..Checkerwe r not competing with anyone stop comparing yup china is big we all know we want to develop ourselves in our way whn it comes to development of china is no hurdles wht so ever ex. if a line drawn there to build a road no one can do anything evn if it goes on top of yr father grave in Chinese development there is no speed bumbs evn hand brake won't work , stop comparing we r not comparing with anyone our goal is top elevate our GDP per capita, india lifted more thn 415 million poverty in last decade

[@leondee918]

The failure of the West to realize that the world has changed is really staggering. It been decades that the West is slowing down while the Asian countries especially China are advancing faster and faster. Like it or not, that's the fact

[@xnz6525]

India is not Asia. --by Ronny Chieng

[@haridasshenoy8334]

I am tired of listening to rules based world order. What are they? Who makes them?