Democracy is Failing | Eric X Li | Oxford Union

Eric X Li speak of how China's economy grows yet the democratic western world is failing.
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Eric X Li gives a rousing speech on China's rise as the next dominant world superpower. America, supposedly the richest country in the world can't figure out a way to provide healthcare for 15% of it's population. Youth unemployment is above 50% in european member states. The west has dominated world affairs for a couple of centuries, Eric X Li says that maybe that time is coming to an end.
Filmed on Friday 1st November 2013
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ABOUT ERIC X LI:
Eric X. Li is a venture capitalist in Shanghai. He serves on the board of directors of China Europe International Business School (CEIBS) and is vice chairman of its publishing arm CEIBS Publishing Group. Mr. Li is a Henry Crown Fellow of the Aspen Institute.
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[@ashleymistletoe]

his words are more and more resounding year after year, especially after coronavirus.

[@koroglurustem1722]

Yeah, you need Stalin on your head to force you to follow the basic hygiene, otherwise freedoms aren't good enough to do the right thing

[@blardymunggas6884]

So true

[@Imnotaccurate2]

yea, It's getting more clear in 2021

[@chinlamleong3851]

Now is 2022; what Eric Li said in 2013 - that was 8 years ago - materialises now. CPC is solidifying more and more supports and moving more and more towards socialism (with Chinese characteristics).

[@biglemoncoke]

CCP, not CPC. Is dictatorship failing in Xian?

[@venmis137]

lol

[@fionafan5049]

This talk aged well

[@inter3684]

Moral of the story. Why can't different political systems peacefully coexist ?

[@kevinlification]

Because one forces their ideologies into others using war and imperialism under the guise of human rights and Universal values

[@ybi2610]

because of US

[@ll00000000ll]

monotheism

[@ct-hv1uz]

Once a hard limitation of space, land, resources, or even time or capability to solve problems occurs, rifts crack open universalist regimes. The rift may be a mere fight of survival charged with no emotion, or it may be a deeply historied millenia long tale of vengeance internalized by indoctrinated children, but one way or another, as human beings endure the trauma and abuse of the system many give up and submit to the rule of magic rather than reality. Then invariably the unconscious genetic programs of endless expansion and domination prime the memes of the remnant to build an army worthy of Mordor.

[@horley88]

Eric Li is incredible ... watching this and shaking in disbelief his accuracy...wow!,,

[@lilylily2547]

Now is in May, 2020. Eric's predictions 7 years ago are amazingly accurate!👍

[@Yellow1964]

Now June 2021, 8 years predictions so true.

[@kenm3ng121]

Let's be honest. All ideology that becomes a dogma fails, no matter how you feel about it. I like Deng xiao ping's idea, the tool that gets the job done is the right tool.

[@dharmawiguna3232]

and there is Nobel Peace Prize Winner Gorbachev lol

[@koroglurustem1722]

Sure! Let's intern 3 million people because of their ethnicity and that will get the job done, no more terrorism

[@kenm3ng121]

@@koroglurustem1722 OH？ another freedom fighter I see. you can't spread democracy with lie buddy.

[@koroglurustem1722]

@@kenm3ng121 yeah, your masters were calling those concentration camps "lie" same as you. But in the face growing evidence finally they admitted that there are such camps and called them reeducation camps. Now don't tell me who is lying.

[@dding01]

@@koroglurustem1722 where's the evidence? a circular chain of lies does not make it true. Lots of walls are bar wired in China that does not make it a concentration camp. This accusation is the classical Western self projecting what they will do to minorities rather than believing it's real just education camps. Also, forced assimilation is not a rare thing for you guys too. the boarding schools for first nations back then, all the forced assimilation programs for different immigrates, all those are equivalents of the Xinjiang camps. If the West could force immigrants/indigenous into assimilating, why not China?

[@workingproleinc.676]

This video aged like fine wine.

[@beemee1668]

Eric is very smart. If you watch CNN in 2020 and we are now almost in July 2020, what do you see on the news every day on CNN is exactly what Eric predicted and talking about in 2013.

[@markingeland7356]

@Robert Ashton oh, man. what a good gov! since you believe democracy is not failing, crushing. why did not you stop the money under the table? oh, before that, can you even stop the spread of the covid19? Than we can talk about ego.

[@gofar5185]

thank you oxford union... thank you so much eric li... for simple elaboration of china that is reflected to other asean countries...

[@robertmitchell8630]

he is spot on

[@matavisualstudio481]

Eric Li had predicted years ago what would happen in the future.. What an accurate vision

[@xiangyaong8234]

Great talk by the speaker. To address some western critics, just pointing out that debates between democratic system and socialist system has been discussed in China extensively before, and they conclude that democratic system did not reflect the needs and culture of their people, with so many people in poverty at the time. If you ever think that Chinese elites has never thought and discussed these issues, you are really underestimating Chinese citizens, since Chinese, in general, looks very closely to the west, because they respect dearly their opponents. Both political models have their setbacks and there are things to learn from both models. But the west insistence that all political models must be in the form of a democratic system is repusive. And to force this insistence, many back-handed methods has been used such as waging wars, inciting local agitations and spreading false news (or bias), providing ammunitions to opposition etc which have effectively meddled other's countries politics. Thats just despicble.

[@eltan146]

Totally agreed

[@jaronbalfour3711]

Facts bro you are speaking the truth

[@richhornie7000]

Anybody can give me an example of a non western developing country getting rich under democracy? I genuinely wanna know if there is any

[@lespaul5734]

Taiwan and Hong Kong are some examples. Tho the Hong Kong situation has drastically changed now..

[@richhornie7000]

@@lespaul5734 has Hongkong ever been a democracy before? Pretty sure it wasn't when still ruled by the British. Taiwan became democracy after getting quite rich and stable.

[@tunissaadia8064]

@@lespaul5734 Hong Kong never has democracy under British colonial rule. Colonial govt killed protestors while the current one dies not.

[@lespaul5734]

@@tunissaadia8064 Under Britain? Of course not. The most significant economic development happened after they gained autonomy. Hong Kong always was an economic hub (prior and during colonial rule), due to its strategic port location, but the country developed a lot after Britain was gone.

[@jaxtang5718]

@@lespaul5734 Hong Kong is one of the port to enter Mainland's market. Hong Kong gained advantage as a middleman between Western World and Mainland. This is why Hong Kong did great before Deng Xiao Peng open Mainland market to the world though Shenzhen. Hong Kong had stalled after Shenzhen's success. Hong Kong become worse after Shenzhen's + Shanghai's success.

[@sofiamidkiff7644]

Spot on!

[@heartofdarkness5252]

[@onx99]

Why is your government killing so many journalists and Doctors?

[@onx99]

And civilians

[@AnnaBloom972]

onx99 yep just like that

[@1iyahz214]

Why is ur goverment jailing so many journalist n whistle blowers, freedom fighters, polital prisoners?

[@1iyahz214]

Bcuz they are plants of the c.i.a to upsurp other nations so America can put their puppet in place to steal everything...

[@SuperHyee]

Magnificent !

[@medialcanthus9681]

Viewing in April 2021.

[@allways28]

Interesting. Thanks

[@vislytoong]

Democracy = Demo Cracy

[@robinwongg1638]

🤣 👍

[@koroglurustem1722]

Yeah, we need more authoritarian governments, yeaaahhh!

[@wangyingsen458]

China is the only real democracy country which really destroyed nobility since ancient time by using national test system to distribute political power instead of wealth and bloodline. For a long time China is the only country you could really change your life just rely on your own intelligence and hardworking . By colony interests western countries could give lower class a better life than other countries, Liberalism is just a new religion created by elite to let them have legality to keep their wealth and political power. The center of democracy is the bring equal and fairness to the society, while now elite class just redefine "democracy" as a voting system....

[@biglemoncoke]

@@wangyingsen458 Have you meet the princelings or fuerdai? They are the new nobility in new China alright, they are pretty ugly as well.

[@iac1232]

@@biglemoncoke Yes

[@MrGscp]

I suddenly remembered those famous words: I've seen the future, and it works

[@wangyingsen458]

1,500 years ago, China invited national wide test system to select government officer which made China the only one country eliminate of nobility class in ancient time. China seem had a emperor but under the emperor everyone are equal even most of the prime ministers come from poor family. that means as long as you are smart and work hard you can change you life no matter who is your parientes. in other countries the only chance to change a social class is serve a king in the battlefield to become a knight join the nobility class or be a Cinderella marry a prince these are basic fairy tale.

[@benglim226]

Yr talk 8 yrs ago it is proving till now China remains non interference on other nations domestic political affairs.Still merely interested to extend & promote economic cooperations for more mutual peace & prosperity for each other.Mr Eric Li please continue highlighting these noble respectful intentions of China contributions for more peaceful,greener & prosperous world.

[@xiaoyongguo1133]

6 years has been past....

[@picandvideo]

It’s so real. But it’s real!

[@pmasfp]

I don't understand how someone reads things and sounds interesting

[@blardymunggas6884]

Because its something new that we are not familiar with but yet want to know more about it.

[@debralegorreta1375]

what democracy?

[@shuzhongyang3741]

个人几点随想： 1、民主人人都向往，就好比是幸福，也是人人向往的，它是一种状态，而实现这种状态，是否只有一种制度？ 如果不是，那么西方的民主制度就不能等效于民主本身。 打个比方，有个富豪，他觉得过得挺幸福，就把他的生活方式等效为幸福，其他人要追求幸福，就必须像他那么富有，否则就是不幸福，这对吗？ 很多人，没有搞清楚这一点，把西方的民主制度，等效于民主，所以就可以站在道德的高地上，对他人指手画脚，因为民主是人人都爱的啊，就像是幸福！ 2、西方用他们的方式，以他们的历史发展过程，实现了一定程度的民主，这是历史的进步，不错！ 中国是否应当照抄西方的制度？我们是否有其他的路径实现民主？ 3、民主，实际上是指人民当家做主。 首先社会主义公有制，在相当程度已经体现了这一点。 其次，落实好人大代表制，也是很好的方式。 如何实现更好的民主，方式和方法可以不断地摸索总结和进步。 邯郸学步、东施效颦，不可取！

[@skydragon23101979]

能跟我解释为什么中国一直觉得透明那么新苦？有什么大顾虑吗？

[@TheHollandHS]

Discipline matter much more than authority. Authority and Discipline are not the same thing. Countries like Greece or the Philippines still lack discipline and responsibility in their democracy. In fact they may risk losing their democracy. Japan and Germany Are more democratic than China, but their attitude of daily discipline to their laws is much stronger, even stronger than in China. This is also why corruption is lower German and Japanese democracy won't collapse. Many countries also have authoritarian states which lack discipline, and won't prosper as fast as China.

[@Imnotaccurate2]

7 年了，这观点现在看起来非常有远见

[@labanyu]

Jan 6, 2021...

[@robertcalamusso4218]

Like the old saying goes ~ “ It’s all about me ! “ And what happens to People that have that attitude? They are shunned by everyone. If the shoe fits ~~~

[@god-son-love]

East West dichotomy is the most outdated model. It's such a Europe-centric POV.

[@MrKnockna]

China would be mad to change their system when you can see the progress it has produced. It also means that China now so powerful will no longer have to suffer the humiliations it endured in the past. China will never be a liberal democracy but a civilization society and that will keep China united.China is emerging peaceful and prosperous.

[@andywong9847]

My quotation. The West is but a sun set. The East is where the sun always rises. 🤔🤔🤔

[@robertcalamusso4218]

Who the Gal to the right ?? 🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@vinestreet7]

When growth slows...nations fail.

[@dengist8172]

Eric's speech is as good as always, but his hairstyle seems to be crumbling

[@biglemoncoke]

Is he going to bald like Mao when he dissertation is proven wrong?

[@dengist8172]

@@biglemoncoke He has been proven right as of 2020, and Mao became bald before he treaded the wrong path. Get your history straight

[@joeching]

我们必须从迷失中找回自己 找到第一套"道" 中国之道 亚洲之道 世界之道 中日韩朝给世界做个合好的榜样 FINDING FIRST SET OF DAO CHINA WAY ASIA TAO WORLD'S TAO CHINA,JAPAN,SOUTH AND NORTH KOREA SHOULD BE A ROLE MODEL OF UNITY TO THE WORLD

[@18890426]

I would agree with you on the point of the unity of China, Japan and Korea, and I want to ask you how to achieve it??

[@inter3684]

Monarchy is the best political system. Especially when crisis hits and you need to take swift action, gotta be authoritarian rather than liberal.

[@inter3684]

@Robace Kai Siang Tey Perhaps I didn’t use the right word. By Authoritarian I mean effective chain of command. When a King takes a decision, it doesn’t get stuck at state bureaucracy, but is immediately implemented. Meritocracy is out of question. It’s a must.

[@inter3684]

@Hamid Hussein Human Rights is fallacy. Islamic norms are not compatible with European norms. Cutting of a thief’s hand is violation of human rights in Europe, whereas it’s the opposite under Islamic rule. Same is true for capital punishment. Everybody has his own truth

[@plaguedoc7727]

Monarchy is the same as a a Dictatorship except the Dictator is incompetent.

[@TradLibChinaman]

BASED Hoppean Eric Li!

[@mrir2008]

Can't believe ...........this is the level of Chinese intellectuality!

[@paulmatters2641]

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

[@SANDIPANMAZUMDAR]

why China using tank to obay their rules??

[@JamesKaifeiYao]

+SANDIPAN MAZUMDAR why US using tank in the Bonus Army Protest Crackdown to strengthen their rules??

[@lmlmlmz]

+SANDIPAN MAZUMDAR Why USA use weapon to give Freedom?

[@kindkoun]

When can people in China have a platform and speak freely their mind like Li's done here? Is it not democratic in its basic form?

[@eijikenji7149]

kindkoun because every nation had their own law. you dont have right to break US law on the ground that it violate my basic right. prove me wrong.

[@JamesKaifeiYao]

That platform is Tianya bbs, youku, qq.......

[@lmlmlmz]

+kindkoun They do. just that it is all in Chinese not many foreigner find it.

[@zhigeng7245]

咋办，我看的都心累，何必戳破他们，就让他们以为我们生活的水深火热不挺好么

[@alfyoung5553]

飘过！ 你们想怎么说都行，我工资水平慢慢开始追赶美帝了！

[@jdemeulenaer123]

This is a one or so year-old talk ....a bit frail holding its way ay

[@biglemoncoke]

I’m glad the 50 cent army is gone since there is no electricity in China LOL

[@rx302]

@@biglemoncoke u r truly everywhere, ready to eat some nuclear sushi?

[@biglemoncoke]

@@rx302 stop harassing me

[@biglemoncoke]

@@rx302 china dog keyboard warrior

[@jamescao2008]

日前，天津市纪委就市文广系统6名官员案发出通报。涉案的官员分别是：天津市文化广播影视局原党委委员、副局长白文源，天津北方文创产业集团有限公司原党委书记、总经理刘建超，天津市文物公司原经理高士国、原副经理崔智博，天津市艺术品公司原经理杨建初，天津市文化发展中心原主任李立军。 Communism is falling. Some communist party members jump out and fall from higher story of buildings to ground to leave the communism for good.

[@Cringeage]

"A healthy respect for divergence." - Tienanmen Square.

[@user-ue8sh9xz6m]

Cringeage massacre like Kent State shootings? or like what happened to Bonus Army? wait , where are the native Indians? hold on to that dude XD keep eating your bugger of freedom , it makes you think liberties only exist in the "west". LMFAO

[@Cringeage]

fack Geeplus Very interesting, too bad I'm not from America. I don't think Western governments are faultless. They're deeply corrupt and undemocratic. But the very fact that I can say so means that I am more free than people in oppressive political oligarchies like China.

[@user-ue8sh9xz6m]

Cringeage Well, you can say so doesn't mean the people in China couldn't say the same thing to Chinese government. You think they couldn't because you receive more information about China in a way your governments want, even maybe you are trying to avoid it. If you can read Chinese you would be surprised how much dollars(yes, dollars like US dollars , not Yuan) some media companies and people made by insulting the Chinese government , in China. Every time I see comments like yours makes me thinking Chinese government has a lot to learn from the west about media control.

[@Cringeage]

fack Geeplus Again the fact that you're referring to dollars and "The West" as one homogenised culture belies your prejudice. We have a free press. I get my news on the internet through global channels, often democratically on sites like Reddit. I confess I haven't learnt Chinese. The freedom to choose the laws you live by is a hallmark of a civilised society.

[@user-ue8sh9xz6m]

Cringeage There you go , you do know the word "prejudice". Saved me tones of words :) thanks and keep dreaming 井底之蛙

[@pezaventura]

This guy is smart, he knows how to get more money, because he knows who to please ;). The right connects = the right contracts

[@SusageBoy]

Here you go *hands 50 cents"

[@lynth]

Wow, you are so original and insightful. Funny how literally not a single person criticizing China ever produces any actual arguments. Just these dumb memes. lol

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

It is worrying to read so many comments that have not comprehended the obvious propaganda this bloke is promoting. I hope they are not from Oxford students.

[@jdemeulenaer123]

中国的恒大换血汗钱！恒大全国各地维权！中国经济危机严重哦。李世默的话已经属于历史的哦。李先生说那些大话有用吗？

[@biglemoncoke]

Fall of totalitarian regime in China.

[@Ping-pc7uy]

Eric li, came to USA by family reunion immigration, claim super poor and got free tuition, living cost in Stanford, came back to China as a propaganda machine for China system defender, earned lots of money, but never give up his USA nationality, (which in his Chinese speech, a country full of violence, drug,and declining), how ironic it is? Edit: can y’all stop replying this was my mom or dads comment and I don’t like getting the reply’s when I don’t understand what the heck is going on- it’s also kinda awkward for a kid like me to get reply that are clearly from people that are over 18 Edit 2: ok I just got back from school and someone’s calling me a bot, idk if it’s the edit or what but I’m not a bot, I just use my parents account now since they don’t use this email acc any more so I use it

[@koroglurustem1722]

Exactly !

[@Neo-jty]

When you can't defeat man's argument, then you attack the person, good made up story ~

[@indranildutta2961]

crime drug and you add China instead of West and UK what a joke mate

[@WeichenLi]

He is legally Chinese dude, just check Wikipedia

[@Ping-pc7uy]

@@Neo-jty sorry if you don’t like one of my parents opinions, anyways hope your doing well

[@mikely7354]

What a claim... Here is the scary truth to authoritarians: Democracies never fail. Why am I emphasizing this with absolute certainty? Democracy in its basic assumption is the acceptance and the advocacy for gradual improvement of our collective political life, freed of domination and imposition by any one toward anyone else; any glitch in our freed system is only part of the experiment and willingness to improve ourselves in our pursuit of freedom in our human experience. Our successes in achieving such improvements are nothing an authoritarian like you would ever even think of. We do not surrender ourselves to any imposition or selling our own selves short because of fear or whatever immediate pragmatic needs we may have. We are willing to experiment; that is the difference between me and you, my friend. I am also a Li, taken from the tribe of northern China it self. I am just more lucky to be more free.

[@jamescao2008]

据中纪委网站11日上午消息，中共北京市委副书记吕锡文涉嫌严重“违纪”，目前正接受调查。

[@ybi2610]

2021了，日子总得继续，起来干活了

[@jimmytopen2459]

He studied English well but he failed to understand the meaning of democracy and popular rule, free speech in popular governance and right to express. In China free speech is curtailed and imprisoned, there is no rule of law. Law rules in China and it favors only for the few at the top, so what kind of government is that.

[@xtong1990]

Do some studies before you speak? like, get to know China first maybe. This is the kinda free of speech rule produces, people like you say stupid things with no studies or any ideas of what is really going on. Just keep getting fed up by the western media and live your life happily.

[@ioupuiuyiyui9498]

Tong Wang then, what’s going on with your freedom of speech? Now that you can criticize other people. Can you do the same with your own government? Do you even know what freedom of speech is about?

[@asiacuisine4869]

Go google abt Singapore LKY speeches.

[@oliveryb]

Seems you understanding of free of speech is speaking bullshits without consequence, which is very confirmable for individual, but useless for the development of society and country.

[@jimmytopen2459]

I disagree with Eric x li on western world collapse at all, for simple example is USA, it recovered from last couple of years and today again USA is on top of economic. Beauty of democracy is simple and just popularism and changes take place by popular decision.

[@NAK93]

+Jammy tupten A debt of 19 Trillion$ isn't it?

[@DaDa-ui3sw]

@david chan His comment is still relevant.

[@DaDa-ui3sw]

@david chan He simply said that the USA is the first economic power, which is still the case, despite the current crisis. The lately incidents in the USA are something quite normal for a democracy to experience. It's the free expression of people's dissatisfaction over a societal problem and this it it what makes things change, not only the goodwill of some almighty political leader. And of course, the current days may be seen as a very tough situation, but this is because of the very agressive and abnormal behaviour of president D.Trump who hates compromises. However, D.Trump is not president for life, and things are doomed to evolve in the way of progress and freedom, because the people is free to express his own will. This is how slavery and segregation ended.

[@DaDa-ui3sw]

​@david chan what a joke. A regime change ?? When the current demonstrations are pushing for a more free and respectful society, which are the most defended values by the American Constitution ?? It just doesn't make any sense at all.. Demonstrations are normal for a democracy, that's it. If I look at the stats, I see that the economic growth is in the recent years quite similar at what it was 3 or 5 decades ago. We can make stats tell us whatever we want, depending on the way we present them... The fact that new powers are rising doesn't mean that the USA is collapsing. The USA is still undeniably the first economic, military (3 times more budget for army than China) and cultural power. Today, Trump's presidency is reducing American influence over the world (WHO exit, deterioration of ties with its European allies), but the potential of power remains the same, and it would change with other political decisions. But if what you call "collapsing" is the slight decrease of American influence over the world, it's quite easy to say, as the USA could not be any more powerful than what it already was in the last few decades. Many people who demonstrate today are poor, and still they can express their free opinion and make things change, which is a thing the US Constitution protects. While in Hong Kong, wealthy protestors are violently repressed by chinese power for defending freedom..

[@DaDa-ui3sw]

Lmao you didn't said even one number !!!

[@jamescao2008]

自今年3月份以来，大陆各地特别是南方广东一带罢工讨薪潮此起彼伏，企业关闭潮一浪接一浪，涉及近百万名员工、倒闭企业达到千家，其中不乏如美的、海信等20余家大型企业。员工的维权活动却遭警方镇压。

[@frankieleung2215]

I am an Oxford graduate. Why was he invited?

[@wordance]

now do you know why?

[@ivandate9972]

western will be the greatest of all time .... if they can manage the whole word to buy their ideology

[@RickeyMoore]

I hope this guy got his 50 cents. Democracy works, even while flawed.

[@achilleshoplites6298]

Rickey Moore Democracy is bullshit though

[@NeuKrofta]

democracy doesn't work. just look at the world today

[@JamesKaifeiYao]

+NeuKrofta Democracy doesn't work in large scale. Maybe US's oligarchy works.

[@bibanatorfanboii4068]

James Kaifei Yao good job you truly earned your 50 cents

[@JamesKaifeiYao]

Bibanator Fanboii Oh, you can say that thing to the guys who work for the Operation Earnest Voice. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

[@jamescao2008]

今年如果搞到七千多亿斤粮食，明年如果又翻一番，就是一万五千亿斤。明年也许不能搞这么多，太搞多了，除了人吃马喂之外，现在还没找到用途，也许会发生问题。 --1958年9月5日，在第十五次最高国务会议上的讲话 毛不懂经济，还要专制瞎指挥，把经济搞得几乎崩溃，这是以后文革的起因。

[@lmlmlmz]

+James Cao 这段历史很多中国人都知道。也有些当时受牵连的。但是老外说起这件事，是非要中共解散才罢休。 用意何在？

[@jamescao2008]

以苏联为首的共产主义要消灭美国等资本主义国家。请看第三国际。 马克思主义是不是西方思想？列宁是不是老外？

[@lmlmlmz]

James Cao 现在苏联都瓦解了。 中国中共走自己的路。在自己的错误里学习。

[@jamescao2008]

斯大林的阴魂不散，几十年来，整人，贪污，专制，扩军。。。，在步苏联的后尘，已经是夕阳西下了。

[@neozz4059]

@@jamescao2008 确实西方民主都夕阳西下了 中国的你可能还得等一等 不知道你还等得起不 毕竟你这种人活着就是浪费资源的毫无意义 趁早了解自己下辈子投胎去民主吧

[@jamescao2008]

曾庆红的妻侄女王晓玲已被免广州纪委书记。此前中共广州市纪委接连发生2次人事调整。王晓玲曾被原广州日报社长戴玉庆等实名举报。今年4月17日，戴玉庆以受贿罪被判有期徒刑11年，戴当庭表示将向广东省高级法院提出上诉。5月，中国大陆58名资深人士联署上书，要求当局对戴玉庆案“秉公断案”。

[@tianyuchen5122]

我看到你发的这些东西，我却觉得更好了。中国还能判处这样的高官，还敢于公示出来。可是我看美国出了这么多事，却没见几个高官被判刑的。

[@biglemoncoke]

@@tianyuchen5122 How about Wen JiaoBo's wife? Very well documented in the Red Roulette. We need to purge all the pigs in animal farm!

[@tianyuchen5122]

@@biglemoncoke Well, I never heard of that. any details? Don't just show me those unreliable reports, so many made-up stories against china.

[@biglemoncoke]

@@tianyuchen5122 red roulette by Desmond shum. How do you determine what is unreliable? It’s a published book around the world for Christ’s sake.

[@tianyuchen5122]

​@@biglemoncoke My my, so many published lies everywhere! Hilter once published a book around the world, so the thing he said in his book is reliable? I choose to believe something not because it is published or not, but if it fits what I know and what I can get by my brain. I have seen 'dark history of CCP or CCP's leaders' type of stories thousands of times in all kinds of media published by western media. Some are true, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE MADE OUT OF NOWHERE. Let me ask you a question, have you ever heard any good things about CCP from western media, if not to attack their political enemies or to beg for money from the Chinese government?

[@paretho]

The sin of Democratic people is they need *Equity* , but they Scream for -Equality- Then sin of Democratic system , their hand to short to help those below standard ( jijik mungkin ) The sin of Democratic goverment , they didn't work for the People Romans established a Republic ( Goverment Give benefits to public ) Classical Athens established Democracy ( Peoples ask something from the goverment ) Plato rejected Athenian democracy ( democracies were anarchic societies without internal unity ) They followed citizens' impulses rather than pursuing the *common good* ( emak2 repot cari sambal ) a Father should be a Republican , a mother should be a Democratic. a Great Grand will always be a socialis to help them all. Meritocracy : an elite group of people whose progress is based on ability and talent rather than on class privilege or wealth. ( We need a Pro to run the country not just wealthy oligarchy ) M = Married I = Intelegence (IQ) E = Effort

[@samuelgitonga3770]

Democracy is not failing the people make systems and they responsible.Actually china is doing more western than socialist.China private sector contribute 60% of the economy with 40% market capitalisation while state owned had 60% market capitalisation.Both can learn from each other. but contribute 40% of GDP.

[@biglemoncoke]

No one wants to learn from china, they barely have electricity and ailing now.

[@samuelgitonga3770]

@@biglemoncoke there are field China does better than USA and vice versa we can both learn from each other

[@biglemoncoke]

@@samuelgitonga3770 the west want to learn from the best, not mediocre like China.

[@biglemoncoke]

Would you learn from Africans?

[@Khotang34]

Western values are universal values, western standards are a universal standard.

[@shakuntalalivneh8742]

Bhim Rai, is it because of the West's economic power? Don't forget that part of their rise came through the very uncivilised game they played by colonising, and subjugating Africa and Asia. That was not a civilised endeavour. China, Japan, India , Egypt etc also contributed a great deal to civilisation. Killing, warring, colonising other, taking away land and resources from others is not a hallmark of civilisation. All countries have contributed to civilisation.

[@rayvogel2261]

Nice talk, however, the fact that you are able to criticize democracy in a democratic country and the absolute inability of a "westerner" to freely criticize "Chinese communism" from inside China says a lot about democracy and its success. Unless that success for you is ONLY measured by the ability of an individual to buy more or the ability of the state to own a hefty sum of money and exercise its power limitlessly on the citizens? The concept of "absolute" is by itself absurd and therefore to indirectly say that "Chinese communism" is a success and that democracy is failing is like looking at each concept from a very narrow perspective and not taking into account so many factors including liberty, the value of the individual, and freedom. There is no doubt that the Chinese model is a real success in many sectors but at the same time this model is, just like democracy, have large drawbacks.

[@thomaschong6263]

ARE you kidding me,democracy is a farce. It's loss it's credibility by pushing propaganda against China always telling lies misinformation never telling the truth. It's telling so much lies it's incapable of telling the truth anymore so sad.

[@duinay3]

Actually, the Chinese government criticizes itself, and the citizens also complain to their local governments when they are not happy, the results are actual changes - they get sh*t done out there

[@elvinccw]

Why criticize a successful governance system that solve a lot of a nation issues?? Mate, did you use your brain?? And Chineses citizens does criticize, that why they had one of the best infrastructure in the world today.. you should criticize your own failing government first if you really got a brain

[@afendiaaronkwa9994]

Im chinese, but I can say his speech is boring

[@jayliu6076]

You listen to speech for entertainment? Stick to your soap opera please.

[@biglemoncoke]

Is Eric paying for internet troll army to support him? How low can this guy go?

[@jaxtang5718]

Why you still keep your surname? Dont be a chinese and change your name, your ancestor must be very sad to have you as their grandchild.. Poor parents.. Westerners is more civilize than the East.. my foot o0o

[@jamesjoe5979]

what bs propaganda

[@tonycaine5930]

Truth hurts doesn't it?

[@indranildutta2961]

truth hurts the west,the real killer of humanity

[@laviebanale]

This guy is laughable. I'd love to see him debate a sane person.

[@comicsans3845]

lavie maintenant How's Donald Trump doing? how's your democratically elected president doing?

[@trentkenzler8478]

Democracy is holding through one of the biggest challenges in 200 years. It will survive Trump. Communism always buckles under its own weight.

[@wesleywagumba812]

😂😂6 years on with the US crumbling,this comment aged nicely 👀

[@wesleywagumba812]

@@trentkenzler8478 😂😂😂oh please,look at democracy now,death from within.

[@laviebanale]

@@wesleywagumba812 He’s a CCP stooge. He and his family have been bribed and brainwashed. Like any other affluent person, he’ll say “his country’s system works.” It’s no different than an American millionaire celebrating the virtues of the free market.

[@735Secure]

He needs to read his own history and history of other past empires. Im sorry to say he is full of Sh..!

[@biglemoncoke]

This guy ought to be banned by Oxford for being a traitor to world values.

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

Western people are weak corrupt people. They will never say shit if someone pays well.

[@biglemoncoke]

Hamid Hussein the world didn’t attack Middle East, the west did. Chinese dream is also a joke as the elites in China are fatten up like pigs in animal farm.

[@wendy9232]

Would value defined by the west?

[@biglemoncoke]

@@wendy9232 Value is determined by the more civilization aka West. Even Switzerland which is a neutral state called out on China for being belligerent.

[@wendy9232]

@Terence Chung More civilized... do you realize how arrogant and blind you are? You think the west is more civilized than others? Do you think the Egyptian or Arabica or African are less civilized? Have you ever heard the opinions of them?

[@allways28]

Interesting. Thanks