Oxygen Not Included Tutorial: Germs and Sickness

[@blackenedx2776]

I had the perfect germ-free base right up until the point where I ran out of algae & coal and everyone suffocated because I was terrified of slimelung and prioritized chlorine rooms over everything else before expanding. 10/10 tutorial.

[@LucyTheBox]

When I first got into the game, slimelung scared the crap out of me. Now I realise that the free oxygen production far outweights the risk of slimelung

[@Magnet_MD]

For sure, once you get it in a safe place, it's basically a non-issue until you go mining again. Even then I am very careless about exposure to Slimelung and I don't notice a major production dropoff if a couple of my dupes happen to contract it.

[@JD_Mortal]

Now... Back a few updates ago... Dupes died from it, if you didn't cure it, in 10 days! It was also easy to spread around and hard to control. You needed to handle it like a brain-surgeon. Buddy-plants were your buddy, more than oxygen and chlorine. Nothing is worse than the bad programming logic and controls of the game itself. There is no way to tell them NOT to use germ-items in things and they will freely pick up germ-infected algae, if they are mining in the slime area, if the next task is farming or refilling an oxidizer as the next task in the list. (As opposed to grabbing a clean algae that is next to the farm or oxidizer or algae-terrarium.) NOTE: Once the game has decided to use THAT infected item, ALL new dupes will come to grab that item next, if you force them to drop the item. Ten more will come, then 20, then all of them... (I use a doorway to lock them out, after I manually pull them our, so they drop the infected items they all want to take out of the room, until the room is safe to enter.)

[@GigsTaggart]

@@JD_Mortal Heh now that germs aren't as big a deal, I have that problem with searing hot metal. I need to figure out better autosweeping for metal volcanos.

[@Tomi-always-Tomi]

@@JD_Mortal that was also why the whole game reprogrammed from the ground up

[@PyrokineticFire1]

@@GigsTaggart regarding metal volcanoes: option 1) force cool the turbines & have outgoing metal get cooled by that loop. option 2) if you're just getting it down to a "manageable" temp, using valves to pipe the turbine output water in 1kg packets across the outgoing metal on rail. it can get metal down to 95°c and move that heat back into steam chamber. option 3) use the outgoing metal to heat something that needs the heat. I setup a rust melting iron volcano. the swept iron coming out of steam chamber drops 130°c by counterflow heating the rust that i melt using the hot liquid iron (preheating rust means I can melt more rust before the iron freezes)

[@DasMxD]

I still remember when slimelung was actually dangerous. Now, it can be almost be ignored and food poisoning is easy to handle. One thing that still bothers me tho are the sinks and showers. For example: Dupe uses the toilet, germ infected water gets pumped into a water sieve, normal, but germ infected water comes out. So why does my dupes don't get infected when they shower and wash their hands with germ-infected water?

[@cyphi474]

Slimelung can be cured in Sickbay now, no need of steel. That makes it way easier. On other hand, you cant just spam Deodorizers to get rid of slime in the air, because they need power now. Its just more work(wheel and battery, plus wires), but early in game it can be annoying thing because breathing in low oxygen areas is harder for dupe with slimelungs.

[@LucyTheBox]

If your dupes aren't doing a task and you're wondering why, it's a good idea to check "errands" on the object in question. This usually tells you why they're not doing a certain job

[@UldoEgle]

Build a room, fill it with chlorine (around 2kg per tile should do), build a liquid reservoir, fill it with germ water, build a storage bin, fill it with slime and watch how germs die even on slime. Automating it is easy and it costs at most 10w. I'm not sure I can put links in comments, but if anyone is interested, I can make some screenshots. As a side note - nice tutorial videos.

[@Magnet_MD]

Yeah, this is a great idea. I wish I would have talked about this in the video, and I think I'm gonna make a follow-up to this, or just re-do it.

[@keeganolsen1616]

Chlorine is my preferred method of killing germs in water. It's compact, quick, and relatively easy to setup

[@stevo2574]

OMG when you spawned three useless dupes in a row I was laughing so hard. Super funny!

[@GoodMomo]

I just returned to ONI after a few years of not playing, it's good to know germs are not a big deal! I kinda noticed when I realized my main water supply had been completely full of germs for many cycles and I never noticed it.

[@ChriztiiProductions]

You are my favourite ONI you tuber, you explain things so simple and it makes it easier for me

[@turtlegoo9604]

Just curious, who's furiously typing in the background of a few of your vids?

[@Magnet_MD]

Hahaha, that's my wife. She is a fast typer!

[@hauduong5298]

@@Magnet_MD wait so u an old man

[@LucyTheBox]

The -1% breath on slimelung has actually caused problems with starvation before. My great hall is one of the lower rooms in by base. There have been moments where the room is filled with unbreathable gas because I either had too little oxygen or too many other gasses in my base. Normally this isn't much of a problem, but slimelung dupes run out of oxygen before they can make decent progression on their meal. So for 3 days, all they do is trying to eat what little they can, unless I manually stop them from prioritising the great hall for eating.

[@Draxickr]

Germs like slimelung will transfer from slime to other tiles if there is over 1.000.000 germs on the slime.

[@Magnet_MD]

Oooohhh, that's totally the reason. The germ slider maxes out at 1 million in the sandbox.

[@VitchAndVorty]

"Oh, look, Mi-Ma is making a mess again. Now we have germs in our water supply. Oh, gee, who's ready for a world reset?"

[@ozspoz1317]

Awesome video, thanks so much, very informative, interesting and great examples!!

[@richiejohnson2497]

i appreciate you segmenting your video so i can look for what i want! xoxox

[@yato3335]

Just saw zombie spores in quite a big area. Went searching if I should even approach them. Thanks for the info

[@comandercom]

morbs spawn germs too and mush bars being the awesome food source they are always spawn with some.

[@LucyTheBox]

Huh, didn't expect a germ tutorial being over 1 hour, since germs aren't that big of a deal

[@Magnet_MD]

Hahaha, had some explaining to do! And we might as well learn why I say they're not a big deal, rather than just "oh, not a big deal? Ok, move on"

[@eightninety.]

Oni youtubers have a fetish for talking online for hours

[@VirtualHolocaust]

Wow germs used to be a huge deal. In most of my colonies i spend a lot of time making sure they never have any germs anywhere.

[@BartOppeel]

All this is still correct, nothing was changed yet, probably won't change anymore. Again, very informative, thanks for the video !

[@NamelessY]

did u verify?, thx!

[@BartOppeel]

@@NamelessY Germs are still causing the same effects in my game, so yea.

[@sergeylz]

Awesome tutorial. Def going to try that mess hall. I did miss the chlorine room though. I tend to deal with zombie spores by crushing them out of existence by diagonally building. If you replace the tile the sporechid stands on with a tile it will uproot it. Then you just crush the co2 and everything is peachy. I haven’t tried it myself, but somebody also suggested using an automated dispenser to shove the seed into a neutronium tile for good :)

[@CostelloDamian]

Seems like overcomplicating simple thing. Wash hands when leaving bathrooms. Wash/sanitize hands when entering eating area/kitchen. Wash/sanitize hands when coming back to base from digging trips. I have the basin just by the atmo/mask station. Logical. Never had any problems with any germs in my base. Nerveless very good detailed tutorial with plenty of evidence. Thumbs up.

[@livlumeria]

"No germs on the dirt but there are germs on Burt"

[@ahusseini]

Great video! My base is covered in Slimelumg, this video came through right when I needed it.

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

"Germs are not that bad" Covid-19.

[@Magnet_MD]

Yeaaahhhhhh

[@nousername8162]

Well that’s a virus

[@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s]

@@nousername8162 So is slimelung.

[@heyhoe168]

@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s nonono "dont worry, it is just another kind of slimelung"(c) famous last words.

[@raidermaxx2324]

@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s well in fact, "slimelung" is NOT a virus like covid-19. Its a "bacterial organism" .. So covid-19 is a "virus" and not alive, and needs a "host" like the human body to reproduce and spread, a bacteria like slimelung, or the "black plague" IRL, or actual bacterial germs or organisms that are alive like you and me, and can spread without having to infect a host cell and can just use the environment like "living in slime" to spread.. A virus like covid has to invade a host cell, and use its inner workings to reproduce copies of itself like covid-19 does. Just wanted to clear that up because it is NOT a virus.

[@KonaxRules]

Nice tutorial. However, dealing with germs early on really isn't that big of a deal. You made a great example of building your germ generating buildings behind the wash basin. At that point, you don't need to worry about killing or dealing with the germs for quite some time. Just store it away in a reservoir until you get your colony stabilized. I find dealing with germs a nice extra challenge with setting up your colony. This is great for new players just starting because you did mention that it is overwhelming for new players. Still, great tutorial covering a lot of information.

[@shineybear539]

Its bothering me that i'm more than 26 min into a video about germ control and you've never once used the germ overlay to easily show where germs are and aren't and what kind. Trying to read the tiny words in a video playing at double speed (because it's over an hour long) or trying to pause when you're mousing over just the right place is giving me a headache and makes the videos really hard to watch. :( the rest of the video is mostly well thought out and shows several scenarios and gives lots of useful information. I'm gonna need an extra dose of excedrin to get thru it tho.

[@Magnet_MD]

Hey Shiney, sorry about that. I think that the germ overlay is honestly not that helpful, and this is part of why this system is hard to understand. In my opinion, dealing with germs is not a matter of understanding where they are, but rather controlling the germ sources and exposure points. One of the methods I recommend is to only deal with food poisoning germs before duplicants eat or drink, and the overlay would show a bunch of food poisoning germs all over the place, but still, it wouldn't matter because the duplicants aren't exposing themselves. Hopefully that helps a little bit, but I'd also say that germs are not the biggest of deals (especially in the early game), so you can avoid a majority of them by just following a few simple examples and containing the germ sources.

Great video, very thorough. Everything you ever wanted to know about germs but never bother to ask. :-) Conclusion : I was worrying for the wrong things and was applying wrong/useless mitigations. I normally never bother with deodorizers and put the canisters in liquid. I guess you want to use the deodorizers early game because it produce a bit of oxygen? I'm looking forward to your oxygen production setup. It seam very nice and simple. Also, I feel like it would work even if you don't have access to High Pressure Gas Vent. I'm having all kind of problems with the Gas Shutoffs and Gas Element Sensor because if pressure blocks a vent, everything gets mixed up. Plastic is rather late game.

[@Magnet_MD]

Yeah, I wouldn't use a high pressure gas vent anyway, that was a dumb idea on my part to show it that way in the video. I am just used to dumping stuff into an enclosed chamber with one of those vents, but they should be hooked up to regular vents for sure.

[@DarknessLPs]

I think the reason for the 'sink at edge of bathroom' does actually work to prevent germs is because dupes usually go to the bathroom, wash their hands, and then go eat. So it prevents food poisoning germs from getting to the food which is really what is cared about. Slime lung germs really only affect breathing so as long as dupes aren't breathing it in...it's pretty much harmless. It can be on stuff and as long as it's not off gassing, I don't think it really matters....even if it does off gas, it's still not that big a deal unless you have polluted oxygen in your base.

[@Magnet_MD]

Yeah, my only point with the sinks at the exit of the bathroom is that there are a lot of other sources that could put food poisoning germs onto duplicants. That only solves part of it, but then the germs spread and can fester. The most fool-proof way seems to be to force duplicants and food to be clean when it's time to eat. If they get dirty elsewhere, oh well.

[@DarknessLPs]

@@Magnet_MD That's a good point to make, I was simply trying to explain the possible logic for food poisoning germs. Taking into consideration how inexpensive pipe can be and the fact that you really only need a couple liquid reservoirs, a little power, a sieve and a small amount of automation, it really might be the best idea to simply spread a few sinks around your eating and cooking area in addition to outside of your toilets. Honestly though, the germs are almost a non-issue. Slimelung is a bit annoying and slows down the dupes so that one is a bit more of a problem but food poisoning is kind of unimportant right now.

[@LucyTheBox]

On food poisoning: I quickly set up a vaccuum food storage room (pretty easy to set up and barely requires any research). Germs die, food doesn't spoil. Then I place a washing basin next to my toilet. I don't do anything with the dirt or polluted water, I just place a deoderiser and use it as oxygen production. Even if they get food poisoning from other sources, those sources will be interacted with fairly irregularly. The vaccuum storage prevents germs from just reproducing on your food meaning the food poisoning will be gone within a cycle usually. Meanwhile, your toilets get used every day, without a washing basin, thats just constant food poisoning germs everywhere. The goal isn't to eliminate all sources of food poisoning. The goal is just to stop the main cause of food poisoning, which will greatly decrease the amount of times your dupes have food poisoning

[@Magnet_MD]

My main thought on this is that exposure will eventually happen, and the downsides just aren't worth investing into until there are bigger problems that have been solved. Making sure food and the duplicant is clean when they eat seems to be the best option, and I was only using bleach stone/chlorine cause it kills germs really fast (and there's not much else to do with it).

[@LucyTheBox]

@@Magnet_MD Does food stay fresh in chlorine? I tried putting some bleach stone in my vaccuum storage room, but the food started spoiling again. I'm wondering if I just didn't have enough chlorine in the room

[@Magnet_MD]

@@LucyTheBox As far as I know, it keeps it fresh and germ-free. I need to do some real testing around it because I feel like there's a good amount of misinformation.

[@LucyTheBox]

@@Magnet_MD I also remember chlorine keeling food fresh, must just not have been enough pressure

[@MrOssyan]

Ore scrubbers work fine , just the games mechanics make it problematic to use . Dupes gets germs when pick up stuff and transfers the germs back after the scrubber cleansed the stuff .

[@Magnet_MD]

Yep, it'd be nice to have something that does both, but only being able to do one or the other is pretty awful, haha

[@MrOssyan]

@@Magnet_MD If you are really germophobic , and want to use scrubber in a bit longer chlorine filled room it can be done , but its only for the ones that want to rp and use all the buildings , ignoring germs or storage in chlorine room are still the better options.

[@stevo2574]

“Man, this thing sucks!” Best line in the episode lol

[@emmaw7853]

omg i hope they don't up the germs game tactic yet. I've yet to get the hang of this game! I like your videos. I always learn something new. Looking forward to your suit wearing tutorial.

[@Magnet_MD]

Haha, okay! I'll make tutorials for entering the oil biome and the space biome, and both of them will require suits.

[@emmaw7853]

@@Magnet_MD omg i can't wait! i love your videos. they're the only ones I can understand! thank you so much for making them.

[@DarknessLPs]

@@emmaw7853 They also seem to be the only up to date tutorials. Francis John has a bunch of good ones but they are years old so a lot of the mechanics have changed. Same with Brothgar and GrindthisGame.

[@Lorens4444]

One way to deal with Slimelung is storing slime in storage bins in a pool of water that is cooled down to less than 10 degrees Celsius.

[@eliasWk]

I love how empathetic this guys it to his dupes

[@andrewk1920]

8:42 LOL "Ellie has zombie spores". Don't worry, she's immune.

[@Alkyen]

Great video as always, keep them comming! Best channel on ONI that I've seen so far! I have a question regarding the DLC, we have a map with all polluted oxygen and polluted water emmiting even more polluted oxygen. What solution to that would you think works fine? Centralizing all polluted water/oxygen in one place and making sure only clean one comes into your base? It seems like they try to make you play with polluted oxygen and water in your base.

[@Magnet_MD]

I do have a run going on right now on a DLC map (my first one) that has all of the polluted oxygen and water. I think you can get it under control by centralizing it pretty early on, but I haven't spent a ton of time thinking about it. I definitely wouldn't prevent the polluted dirt from gassing off, because that's your only source of oxygen for a while.

[@Alkyen]

​@@Magnet_MD ye, I did watch most of your run, congrats on putting such quality content, both the runs and the guides are really nice! (I got into ONI like 10 days ago and straight into the DLC so it's a bit weird with guides for me :D )

[@SailorM4ev]

I was nodding along all proud of myself when you mentioned keeping the sporechid bin in liquid until I suddenly remembered I had dug out the pool around my sporechid bin but forgot to relocate them....and that I have a few wild Pips...

[@heyhoe168]

I missed a lot of updates and started to play just recently. Imagine my horror when I realized there are pips and sporechids on one map?

[@guuuuh2d]

Hey Magnet, thanks for the video and why you don't use the overlays ?? They help me a lot maybe they help you too !!!

[@MiBasse]

I think this video finally convinced me to care less about germ spread. Good presentation. Do you ever wish that the system was ever like the old one (lethal slimelung etc.), or are you happy with the direction they've taken?

[@Magnet_MD]

It wasn't great, but I actually kind of liked the older system more than the current one, but only because it added a deterrent for being messy about certain stuff. Right now a huge majority of medicine is pretty useless, so that's kind of a bummer.

[@elfiwolfe]

I built my first colony before watching this. I set it up like an army FOB So i clean germs off people leaving bathrooms, before they cook, before they eat, and after dumping off waste. Been doing well. Just looking at how to clean the air from the drop off point.

[@tcironbear21]

I personally have lost bases to food poisoning. Food poisoning in itself won't break your base. But the mood debuffs from vomit on the floor can make the difference between struggling and dying base. The thing is setting up a Chlorine room to purify you water is not that hard. It is one of the first things I set up when I move from beginner base to intermediate base.

[@Magnet_MD]

Food Poisoning doesn't cause those effects anymore. It did a year or so ago, but it's been changed since then. And yes, I wish I would have included Chlorine more in this video, specifically for cleaning germy water. I do mention it just a bit when talking about storing food.

[@Ghorda9]

just cook the food and use sinks.

[@vibe6223]

Late comment, but my guess with the germy vents is that it's meant to be a problem if non germy liquids/gases pass out of it then maybe it picks up some of the germs on the vents?

[@MrAllrounded]

Outhouses give off 220k germs directly to the dupes, while lavatories give off 105k germs, but of which only 3k goes to the dupe. So 1 washbasin is already wayy overkill. Just to be sure, Zspores don't transmit from liquid to air right? even with contact. I swear i saw Zspores in crude going airborne once.

[@Magnet_MD]

I've only directly interacted with Zombie Spores a couple of times. As far as I know, if the liquid is not actively turning into gas (like polluted water), germs cannot transfer from liquid to gas.

[@Lion603]

Magnet: "Oh, I won't set up a water positive plumbing toilet and sink for a while." Also Magnet: "You can't handle the germs." Suggestion: Plumbing toilets and sinks, deals with most of your germs and no handling germy stuff. The clean water coming out of the sieve can be priorized off pipe with a liquid bridge or reservoir (additional buffer function) - once your clean water is backed up until the priority re-introducem it will take the low priority path further down the pipe. guide that into a reservoid or two and let them sit. time will kill off the germs in the clean water and after a while you have 5t of clean, room temperature, germ free water. All this needs is sand and a bit of power for the sieve and occasional reconnecting the de-germing reservoirs. all of that is pretty cheap. and a compost with deodorizers even generates oxygen and dirt (although the heat can get annoying after 50 cycles or so)

[@dadougler]

7:46 "I feel happy, I feel happy"

[@macenor2970]

I'd recommend Francis John's method of Terrain bathrooms. Build a room right next to the toilets with deodorizers at the entrance, and store your polluted dirt in there with the polluted water. The polluted water can be a decent early game dumping pool, and to help produce an early game thimblereed farm. Putting the dirt in here removes the germs from traveling outside the bathroom, as well as eliminating the need for composts that waste a lot of time for little pay-out given germ-free dirt is a primary diggable resource in the starting area.

[@LucyTheBox]

16:40 You forgot those little slimy critters that produce polluted oxygen.

[@Magnet_MD]

Ohh yeahh, you're right. I think it's polluted oxygen with food poisoning that they produce, but good call.

[@mr.context3872]

I recommend if anyone gets zombie spores, lock them in sealed room and vent the oxygen, if you think you’re encountering spores but don’t have a vacuum chamber made. Do it, regardless of their skills it’s better than dying

[@excavator_man]

I found a sporechid in an oil biome, but it was submerged in crude oil so it was not that bad. I have NO IDEA why, but the sporechid spawned with zombie spores around it, so i can confirm that the sporechid spawns with zombie spores around it.

[@melissaclaassen9707]

I'm a new player, and slimelung still freaks me out. I just can't deal with seeing that overlay and the rampant slimelung in the air.

[@kaysidegamer5996]

If you make sure to liquid lock your entrances/ exits to your base, and place deodorizers liberally, and pit your slime in a quarantined storage, then slimelung can’t even touch you

[@MichiHKentarion]

hi, would love an update for the creative way of making a fridge with the new update food will rot in the clorine only. it would have to be at 4 degrees. now you could maybe try to cool it down like that.. but maybe thats a bit much work for it? additionally if you want to use food that is used for other recepies that uses the same type it gets mor complicated with dupes running from kitchen to restaurant all the time. so it would require a bit more micromanagement. love all your tutorials! thank you!

[@justinorlesky7567]

depleted uranium i know that's late game but the same idea mine some uranium and put it in your infected water, the uranium wont hurt them if its in a chest away from they're direct exposure or even shine bugs. i know people hate having shines keep there're dupes up but abyss bugs don't and still do the trick. so is one dupe getting a little sick from mining uranium and putting it into a chest for the health of all. and yea i found you do need to mine it. having my water right up to a uranium deposit didn't help. but it helped for food poisoning and slime lung

[@gamingfrompixelone3070]

This vid is great for improving efficiency

[@Lucid.Poltergeist]

I would still love to see you do a full set up for barbecue ranching because I’m still struggling to get my duplicants to auto restock my main ranch rooms

[@eden9544]

is there any reason you don't pull up the germ overlay to just get a quick look at the germs and what kind they are and how thick they are?

[@NullElemental]

watches you disable the wash basin *eyes begin to twitch*

[@shalalameowmeow3601]

when would you start using fridges or would you recommend never to use them?

[@patrikpoppopnapc3608]

Magnet: dont get exposed to slime lung Me: well sh*t

[@Magnet_MD]

Hahaha. It's not too bad! Just get it into a place that you can control the spread and you'll be fine.

[@failsafe123123]

Hi. I think You are totally right. Germs are not a big issue in the game now. I try to stay germs-free for as long as possible, but to be honest, there is no particular reason for doing this. I just like being in control ;-). The question is: why we have all those anti-germs solutions in the game while germs are just a secondary thing. My guess is that things will change, one way or another, currently we just have a huge bunch of useless stuff in the game. Gameplay mechanics went other way than expected and kind of got separated from the infrastruture base. Well, we can live with it, can't we? But I would actually like germs to be a threat, maybe not that big as it used to be some time ago, but at least a thing that You have to think about.

[@hiepermaartengames9322]

Your video’s are really interesting and helpfull. Keep it up!

[@Magnet_MD]

Will do!

[@cyruswilliams2766]

So, question. You referenced a build for the food delivery system, but didn't post or reference any specifics. Where's your source section?

[@laszlobandi6456]

they poop before eating, unless occupied, won't be too late if only one dupe is ahead and travel is short. technically can set extra bathtime or downtime, can bring them closer to hall or beds and better morale. sleep time on 3 too long, 2 enough if travel is shorter. since tables are assigned, splitting mess hall is possible. having sinks both sides and maybe doors filtered would change paths too. for example 2 shifts 4-4 dupes, 1 block diff. if 4 enters right, needs 4 sinks, if they delayed then 8. if they split path, probably less mixing. I checked toilets and sinks, 3:2 ok but chitchat can synch them. not sure how that works. probably one is ok, too many won't matter. could rejoin hall or make it 2 levels. it's still a room if not closed tiles. to be more staggered one would go left, the other right. same side and doors works too, different levels. but if unreachable then no doors needed and can merge in a room still. if there are 8 sinks to walk trough is a lot of walk. they all need to reach food tho from same place or two split. for ease of build, toilets to left but walled off, sinks under a level, mess hall entry to bottom, other side reverse. could skip one sink 4:3. will try for 8-12 dupes.

[@ivanshiek]

The reason it doesn't work in sandbox is because you don't have a Dupe to transmit the germs to the object. The Dupes transmit it wherever they touch. No Dupe, no transfer. The liquid to air transmission happens because the Dupe had germs and exhaled germy CO2.

[@thedeadcannotdie]

Ah I remember when my second (or third I don't remember) base died to slimelung. It was back in the yee olden days b4 the disease nerfs. Even food poisoning was horrifying because dupes would constantly piss on the drinking water...

[@julesgoesyeehaw]

One of my colony members (who is ironically named jschlatt) has floral scent allergy and my base is full of those germs, what do I do?

[@Lorens4444]

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any information on the "animation" of the symptoms and the time it takes. The one thing that I know is that the "sick" game takes a lot more time than a "healthy" one. You might call me paranoid, but a sick dupe stops running and working to express his frustration, and he does it a lot. Is that a big deal? I'd like to know your opinion. The best way to prevent Slimelung in the early game - DON'T dig out the slime. You can freely dig out everything else in the Slime Biome around the slime, like gold amalgam, sedimentary rock, plants, you can even take polluted water, it's going to be germ free, but leave the slime alone. The moment you dig out one tile of slime, the entire area is infected. But as long as you don't, you are gonna be fine. Food Poisoning is complicated, I get it. What I do is create a "polluted room" under my bathroom with Sink and Deodorizer inside + combine Infinite Bathroom with Infinite Shower. Didn't have to worry about Food Poisoning ever since.

[@voxsystem6710]

I still have the habits from the beta stage, like avoiding at all cost slimelung since it was way more dangerous. 1:10:18 this especially sounds so wrong to me, plants now don't care if the water has germs in it? They produce germ free food? Why would they change that? Also never bothered to remove the germs from the electrolyzer oxygen, dupes don't get sick from it so whatever

[@LucyTheBox]

I've noticed that in many of your tutorials, dupes fall asleep when you need them. Can't you just adjust their work scedule to work 24/7?

[@Magnet_MD]

I wish, but they need to sleep because they're "exhausted". Psh.

[@thatunconsciousguy9306]

@@Magnet_MD Slackers!

[@yeetmaster4877]

The most danger you have to worry about with slimelung is coughing sounds and stress. idk what you are on about

[@mr.derpyface558]

Couldn't you just ship the cooked food to anywhere past the direction of the sinks? You save yourself some bleach stone, but only if the food was not touched at all after cooking. This is assuming that duplicants aren't allowed to eat raw food, your sinks are never overloaded, and cooked food is immediately shipped after cooking.

[@Magnet_MD]

Yep, you can ship it anywhere past the sinks. The bleach stone is just to kill any stray germs and to keep the food fresh. And yes, this setup is making all of the assumptions you listed. You could implement it in phases, and the easiest one is probably shipping or carrying it to a refrigerator somewhere past the sinks, to kill most of the germs and (much more importantly) keep the food fresh. This setup isn't something I'd heavily prioritize (still a lot less important than the things I listed in the video, but by the time you have shipping and plumbing, you might as well hook something like this up to save some extra trips to the bathroom.

[@mr.derpyface558]

@@Magnet_MD Mk, this should help me have one less thing to worry about ingame (apart from exploring slimelung w/out atmo suits I wanted before, and transitioning to electrolyzer oxygen), especially when I went into ranching really early, but have yet to install automated railing. Also I edited to comment so it makes more sense.

[@Magnet_MD]

@@mr.derpyface558 Haha, no worries! Yeah, there are a lot of different things that are critical for survival, and honestly germs just never fall into that category.

[@dagaminking8272]

hey i was just wondering why did you change your channel name?

[@Magnet_MD]

This was previously an old personal account that I wasn't doing much with, or uploading private videos to. I decided to change it now that I was putting a lot more videos on it :)

[@Ibian666]

The problem with disease is that it doesn't matter. I ended up using a mod to make slimelung deadly again, because otherwise whats the point? As to bathrooms, you are not supposed to keep using the basic versions. Switch to the piped versions before you need to empty the starter ones the first time. Food poisoning solved forever.

[@NamelessY]

feel like food poisoning tablets (like 3-4)help a lot early on

[@ivanshiek]

You should have set the outhouses to not be disinfected, then it would be faster contamination.

[@thelawpayton6927]

Tbh I'm glad slime lung got nerfed I had no way to treat them and lost everything to it I do wish some germs had more effects,like maybe zombie spores make them go ideal or do the lowest priority stuff

[@Wrennbird]

Important to note, chlorine gas now causes chemical burns to Dupes, harming them significantly. Since bleachstone off-gases chlorine, it’s strongly recommended you have a way of maintaining the gas before attempting anything with it

[@Ghorda9]

all it does is give eye irritation.

[@astrowuff]

For a yeah I ignored slimelung and it barely was a problem

[@miahcomerford7004]

I've been playing with zombie spores because of amber fossil and I found if you create a small pump room vacuum it out put some chlorine gas in then open the fossil at a diagonal dig then pump the contents in a long loop whatever gas that goes into pipes with chlorine zombie spores die by the time they hit the 7th pipe.

[@miahcomerford7004]

Nvm the simulation had the spores disappear then reappear later

[@billfred9411]

Rads are the easy way to go if you have the dlc. Simply plant one weezwort and the rads will kill everything in minutes. Works for all germs. You can even put sewage water in vats beside a farm plot so you can plant a wheezwort to turn it into germ free clean water in minutes. You can even combine your idea with it and send vent pipes past uranium doors to automate disinfecting without the use of any disinfecting material or gases, just rads.

[@stevo2574]

SJ Perry Do you really need 4 filters around each polluted dirt storage? Isn't 2 enough?

[@InfiniteSkiegh]

I just drowned the Zombie spores...🤣🤣

[@DevModeIsON]

Actually I just let the dirt and the water lay on the ground and slap a deorderizer nerby and that carries me over to when I have sinks

[@countschnitzel8903]

Hmm, did people stop pestering you after this vid? 😁😉 Also, I just love how, in contrast with the chill vibe, someone is viciously clicking in the background, slapping that mouse as if it owes them money or something 😂😋 EDIT: Chlorine gas. You missed the most surefire way to deal with germs "en masse". Containers of _"stuff™"_ in chlorine.

[@bonkeldonk3578]

I wish you whould show my how big my base needs to by before beenin calld big... Other than that great tutorials trying to get in to the game for rufle a mounth still ain cuting it but im god dame close

[@vaineislive4798]

yo i know its old but the thing about sickness percentage is individual, when it says 27% u cant think about it as a group of 15, its 27% of 100% for each and everyone of them so sometimes u get all of them sick, sometimes u get only 1 like ur video. like everyone rolled a dice and only one got a number below 27 the others got above it. got that when i was modding this war of mine few years ago lol

[@JD_Mortal]

Each exposure should increase resistance and each infection should build-up tolerance. (Thus, if you live in a bubble of purity, you should be more devastated from contact. If you live like a pig, constantly exposed and sometimes infected, but never to the point of severe issues... You should be able to thrive better if you live less like a pig, or continue to live like a pig. just like in real life. Many people are "doctor/medication/sanitation codependent"... While most poor people and lazy people and unaware or unscathed people, who constantly live on the edge, never visiting a hospital or doctor or popping medication... They have less issues than the others. Both now, and in the future.) Honestly, they need to give us more control over how to manage these things. Since they refuse to, they had no choice but to nerf the devastation. Nerfed to the point of, as you see, being almost pointless. Just wasted game processing.

[@MorgurEdits]

sink before dininghall? Oh edit, you solved the problem right after I commented

[@Magnet_MD]

:D

[@chrispowellutube]

Forgive my Britishness but what TLDR and PSA mean? 🧐

[@theactualjosi]

TL;DR: Too Long; Didn't Read PSA: Public Service Announcement

[@JD_Mortal]

Muckroot has no germs if you eat it off the floor... But, the second you put it in storage, it suddenly has germs! (Same with some seeds too.) Also, Mush-bars are created with germs, even if the cook, machine, water and dirt are germ-free!

[@Z3R0F1V3]

dont even make microbe muncher for making food, just spam mealwood and use it as long as u can

[@Ghorda9]

@@Z3R0F1V3 it's better and less labor intensive to use fried mushrooms instead and get off the mealwood as soon as you can.

[@sam11182]

The slime lung room is crippled by the oxylite. Oxygen kills SL

[@Vladimir-V-Kondratyev]

The three not digging dups 😂

[@whither1098]

Poor Meep tho

[@TheJollyKraut]

The question is why you ever would want to play without *Diseases Restored* ( steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1911357229 )?! That's like trying to test your cars limits but never going over 10mph...

[@matiasbonta7829]

This game is sick!

[@Magnet_MD]

I hope it's not too serious!

[@alienbricks3823]

dont feel bad for them, I don't know how many I kill mid game...

[@hoangnguyenvuhuy5535]

Remember when slime lung can kill everyone lol

[@heyhoe168]

It was actually the time when I dropped the game. Returned only now lol.

[@larrylindgren9484]

Weird way to say it. You build a sink and that's it. It's not hard. It's not like it takes some master plan to build a sink. You put it down and it's done. Sure germs don't matter really. I've never had trouble with food poisoning and I use sinks. Never had to spread around my base. Never have it get on food. By about cycle 12 I put in good toilets. There is no by product of bad. I usually tie Reeds to be bathrooms and they eat the germ water. So I have zero germy dirt. It seems you're trying so hard not to use something that's so easy to use it's silly not too. Now I guess if you going to use an outhouse for ever then I guess it becomes a problem. Most players first upgrade you make is good bathrooms. Why? Because they are clean and take no dupe action to keep them going. So if you're using outhouses long enough to become a problem then you're kind of failing anyway. Not being mean. So don't take it that way. You do very nice videos. A big thanks you to you.

[@Magnet_MD]

I see what you're saying, I just don't think it's that straightforward. I consistently have discussions about why I do certain things, and a lot of times I'm doing stuff that isn't 100% optimal because it's in the context of giving advice to a newer player. My new-player experience was totally changed when I learned to conserve water, and how to set renewable stuff up in the mid-game. One of the criticisms I have of a lot of advice directed at new players is that it's either too complicated (and a new player won't understand it), or it includes advice that directs a new player's attention to things that don't matter for a new player's survival. For that reason, I think germs are a system that a newer player just doesn't need to pay attention to until much later in the game, and it especially doesn't out-rank any of the systems that need full sustainability in the mid- or late-game. I dunno, it's totally fine to disagree, that's just what I think and why I do that. I just don't want to distract a newer player with solving problems that won't contribute to their colony's survival/death, and germs are the prime example of such a thing. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I do it.

[@abox2371]

fill the ration box with chlorine solved

[@abox2371]

oh wait you still need to add sinks to the mess hall I forgot sorry

[@bailey6760]

Bro who tf is typing

[@LoraxChannel]

Pointless until 1:12:00

[@vaughnsvideos]

3.5 minutes of telling us what you are gonna tell us...

[@Magnet_MD]

Gotta have that context!