FNAF Theorist Reacts to Game Theory: We SOLVED Golden Freddy... Again! (ft. MatPat)

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice to see you uploading again! Congrats on moving into your own place. Gonna just also give thoughts here while I have them so they don't explode inside my brain lol. Plus engagement boost XD My take on the 7th kid for a while has been Elizabeth, as she is someone we know was killed as a result of William's shenanigans. In terms of the name Cassidy belonging to CC, I think the mirror actually kinda proves the opposite. Faded asks CC what he sees, and he says "it's me", but other messages in the word search are "who are you" and "what is your name", which faded would then answer through the "my name", not "your name" clues. Would be weird for Charlie to claim the name as hers. GT also don't mention how DPT said it could be Afton as the faded text. That one caught me a bit off guard lol. Imo the Stitchwraith largely works as a parallel in terms of roles. You have one spirit who can't see, while the other can and seems to have more control. You have one who died due to head-related illness/injury, and one who was a victim of William Afton. That's why I see it as a parallel anyway. Just thought I'd put in my two cents there XD One thing I am a bit bothered by Game Theory ignoring is that in both TSE and Frights, the MCI was in 85. Here they try to put in in 83, and I see why cuz of the suit, but I do genuinely think those would be whatever connects the head to the main suit because in every instance we see except for the movie, it's in 1985, and I can't consider that to be arbitrary. But yeah, random thoughts aside, excellent video! It was a fun watch :D

[@tinaherr3856]

That is true, though their point about Afton just being a messed up serial killer and randomly killing kids (and potentially even before MCI) could still he true. Especially since that was his characterization in the games and the Silver Eyes before SL made him into some mad scientist

[@Belkovia150]

@IDsFantasy What if Markiplier was right and it was "the bite of 87" all along? The date on the TV could just be the date of the founding of the freddy fazbear brand, after all in the vr games you have "since 1983" on the token coins. I'm not sure how the entertainment industry works but would a new brand have a tv show, plushies, toys, restaurants and more? And would it be possible for the brand to get this big and then have 'the bite' happen in the same year? If it actually was "the bite of 87", then you can have the MCI happen in 1985. Is there any information on "the bite of 87" or was it, after some time, just brushed off as a retcon? Who said there were two bites? I was thinking about this for some time now, but maybe there is something that I missed that completely obliterates this theory :D

[@knightofblackfyre7950]

@@Belkovia150 well what I remember about the bite of 87 was that the one who got bit lived after losing their frontal lobe and was possibly the night guard we played as in fnaf 2. As the bite of 87 happened around fnaf 2.

[@Belkovia150]

@@knightofblackfyre7950 Technically crying child lives after the bite. Only for a few nights but still.😅

[@callmehotnotpretty1]

Just because the MCI is in 1985 in the books doesn't mean it's the same for the games, even if it's consistent for multiple stories. There are many consistently shown details in the book lore that are never shown/referenced, or are just confirmed to be different in the game lore.

[@knightofblackfyre7950]

I'd be interested seeing you react to Duel Process' theory.

[@chaoticsilver8442]

Yep, there's a lot of context, buildup, and notable points, that is missed here, that is in the full video.

[@tinaherr3856]

The fact that Faded Text uses "My Name", and not "your name" is definitely a major point against Dual Process' theory. Though, I do get where they come from

[@mrafton9457]

Good to see you back on the KZbin platform Ozone. Regarding the Flatline problem, people often seem to like seeing an ECG machine that displays the heartbeat as the same machine as life support. But they are not the same machine. Life support machines work alongside the ECG. The ECG can only flatline if the patient either goes into cardiac arrest or dies, or the patient is removed from the ECG machine. The flatline we hear in FNAF 4 isn't signifying the Crying Child dying necessarily. That flatline could easily be the moment Afton takes his son away. He would disconnect the ECG from his son but since life support is still active, the CC doesn't die. Not yet anyway. This is how I view the Flatline in FNAF 4.

[@tinaherr3856]

Granted, this all assumes that *Scott* knows about that. It's very much possible that he doesn't have that much knowledge about medical equipment, and just bases it off on media. And so he lumps the monitor with life support. I mean, this is the guy who forgot to add a kitchen to the Fnaf 2 map, despite it being a pizzeria

[@mrafton9457]

@@tinaherr3856 You make a good point. We don't really know for certain though unless Scott outright confirms something.

[@snakemaster254]

I would recommend watching dual process theory’s original video, it supports the evidence better than the GT video, but there certainly are still some minor problems with theory that hold it back from being seemingly the correct explanation.

[@snakemaster254]

Also I’m still a bit confused on how CC got into the golden Freddy suit as a spirit, but if golden duo is correct then presumably CC is freed in Happiest day while Cassidy lingers to take revenge on afton, so CC has to have got there somewhere. And if Stormisters theory that scraptrap repaired himself with golden Freddy is true, then Cassidy would have the perfect opportunity to do so, being literally attached to afton himself. The main evidence I can see against Cassidy and CC coexisting is the fact that HW 2 only shows 6 gravestones, Happiest Day has to include Crying Child since they are at the head of the table, plus I’ve seen a theory about how the fnaf 3 minigames leading to happiest day are all related to things CC saw on the 5 days leading up to his death. But if CC is inseparable from the other missing children then why wouldn’t they get there own grave. Unless this just goes back to the fact that Afton presumably buried his body in the woods in an unmarked grave in which case that eliminates the grave issue as he wouldn’t need one.

[@snakemaster254]

Sorry for the long comment this was kind of just a train of thought

[@mvl7186]

Good video, glad to have you around again! I do think you should watch Dual Process video; for one, everyone in the comunity has been taking about it, so I think it is a good way to get back into the theorizing space. It is also a well edited and fun video. Though as allways, it's all just theories and fun; I think many people have praysed that video too much, while others were extremlly hostile to it... Be civil, it's just a game :]

[@t3ddy_45]

heyy you’re back! can’t wait to watch this

[@zgmfx-09a]

>how have I made it with all these amazing youtubers >is literally the best(when he uploads)

[@PearlSnce]

a lot of the problems you bring up being confused about are answered as they explain the theory in Dual's video!

[@PearlSnce]

you're watching a extremely condensed explanation of the theory. its 2 hours long, they have more to explain

[@elijahohaegbulam]

I think you bring up a very good point about CC and the 5th missing child being two different entities. It’s been a belief that’s been held as essentially canon for way too long without Scott at least nudging us in the right direction

[@Haley_Halo]

Congrats on getting your own place🎉 Good to have you back and just in time for the 10th Anniversary! Thoughts: I don't think they agreed with it but appear open to alt takes. We don't have to marry the idea either, it's just another viewing angle. And since there's still theories being made after 10 years we must not have solved everything, so why not look into it? I like that they considered that they could be wrong, that they may have overcomplicated the lore in favor of satisfaction. (Although isn't that what theorizing is ultimately doing to make sense of info? 🤔) At some point the compiled evidence has to weave some cohesive narrative or it's just a bunch of info on a page and not a story. Trouble is not getting confirmation on anything...which also keeps the theorizing alive long after that era is over. Ngl, not a fan of that.

[@GJames-Legend101]

Things I think. 1. Personally I have always called the crying child Joseph because I rather give him a name than stress myself trying to look for one 😅. 2. If cassidy is crying child’s name maybe the reason we don’t see him being called that is because he can’t remember his own name. 3. Perhaps the reason why the vengeful spirit torments William with animatronics in a security office is because William did something similar to them when they were alive before killing them. 4. Crying child dies in 1983 and the MCI happens in 1985 so I’m pretty sure cc is the first official death in fnaf.

[@gaminganimators7000]

Do we really know CC died in 1983? All we know is that he died after Fazbear Entertainment was established and before FNAF 2, so CC could have died anywhere in those 5 years

[@hokton8555]

@@gaminganimators7000 im prettx sure scott confirmed it

[@Cheshire726]

The thing with the hospital stuff being in the room? That can be done in the home. Its done with hospice patients, granted my experience its with a nurse coming every day (or as needed), but my dad would know more, since he was the one primarily there for my grandfather, esp in his last days. My grandfather was in a lot of pain due to cancer, and it got to the point where it was time to switch to comfort care (ie making sure they are comfortable as they pass). I was like 12 at that point, and due my grandfather being in a lot of pain, he wasnt very nice to be around, and so i limited my contact with him, so I dont know for sure what all was set up for him, and that's beside the point. He was in the home when he went into comfot care, and he died in the home, as comfortable as we could make him as he passed away. So, so long as CC was stable, the family could make the choice to continue his care at home, where he'd likely be comfortable and a nurse would come however often as needed. Doesnt answer everything, but it is a possible explanation.

[@Jake_Marbais_]

He's back!!!! Ozone is goated. Glad to see you back!

[@SindoreiPride]

"I do what I want, thank you" it's probably the best thing I've ever heard. Lol if I wasn't already subscribed I would subscribe just from that

[@LewsTherinTelescope]

Good to see you back, and congrats on the move! I don't agree with Dual Process Theory's take and I'm not sure about Game Theory's version either, but I'm glad to see it take off and really push people to re-evaluate their assumptions. (Plus, it's insane quality for a _first video_ from a new channel, holy crap.)

[@gearbonz]

Been a solid minute, welcome back bro

[@Lucky_RFMDA]

I would recommend that you watch the Duel Process video, the crying child being Cassidy is a part of their video, they mentioned many theories and extra information, basically doing a compilation and analysis of all the new information that has come to light in recent years of new fnaf theorists and people searching in corners others haven't watch. Also their video is divided in sections, so you could watch one or two and then do a small analisis, so video time will not be that long.

[@leaanncollins4350]

Dual Process Theory is definitely worth a watch just for all the discussion it has stirred up. MatPat's video didn't even get into DPT's major point #2 which is an even wilder pitch than Cassidy=Crying Child. I think the main reason their video has gotten so much attention is because it presents a satisfying narrative that maintains focus on the major characters. There are plenty of ways to poke holes in it (honestly with the retcons/mistakes/red herrings in the series I'm not sure anything would fit together perfectly). It feels like they approached it looking for narrative arcs that come together for a complete story. In that sense, they nailed it. As far as evidence goes, they present some cool new finds, but being FNAF, there is contra stuff out there too.

[@gonzaloandroid6428]

you mean the part that michael is the one you shouldnt have killed? I mean thats a concept that Lord Tenebros first spoke about back in 2018

[@TheXsychic]

Welcome back Mr. Zone

[@Oerpink]

Welcome back hope ur move has gone well! I think it would still be a good idea to take a look at duals theory they still have other points in there that are worth discussion other than cc is cassidy.

[@purpleheart5520]

Great to see you again. While I do think that dual process theory made some good arguments, I don't believe on things like BV being Cassidy or the Mci dying first then Charlotte. I've always believed that Cassidy and BV are two different people, and who knows maybe Cassidy was not present during Happiest day, maybe she's gone off to do something else. It might feel cheap but that's just me. Even though I don't think they completely solved fnaf, I'd be congratulating them for at least trying. Also, I'm surprised that they didn't fit in Stitchline games in this, cause I'm pretty sure dual process theory would receive hate for that. I mean, I don't agree with it either, but I'd hardly seen people do that. Whether they believe it, or they do they don't want to say it because of the backlash they'll get. Plus, I've already got a headcanon named for BV, but if reveals to be something different, then that's fine.

[@AbbieJames25580]

I think standing back in perspective of this theory, people wanting the crying child to be Cassidy is for people who want a fulfilling narrative. People who want to believe there are two souls inside Golden Freddy are nit picky regardless if Scott is purposefully "doing a Jeremy" because they want every detail to be concisely true. We cannot have both. Its one of the top 3 mysteries of fnaf , aside from the box and midnight motorist ,so its complexity just has to be accepted unless something completely new is found and flips it upside down.

[@CaptainRickey]

Here's my argument about the "cassidy" being the name reveal for altered: Altered is changing letters all throughout the book no issue, but suddenly, they have to use red ink to hand select certain letters from the word search? Why not include the name "Cassidy" inside the word search just like "it's me" was altered to be inside it? Instead, someone is marking the name with red ink. Faded is telling us that whatever the person with red ink is marking, is "their name" Also, if Golden Freddy was supposedly recognising Mike enough to say "it's me" why does it attack?? It recognises Mike but also chomps of their head? Very contradictory behaviour. Almost as if the behaviour is from two separate people with separate motivations WAIT WHAT Kelsey gets springlocked in "The new kid" and then the other kid flees, terrified of what they witnessed? Only to return later, stick a body part in and get bitten???? WHAT HOW IS THAT NOT A DIRECT PARALLEL TO GOLDEN FREDDY???

[@gaminganimators7000]

If CC's death is a part of William's backstory and is the reason he's evil, it makes sense CC doesn't have a name because he can be anyone. He could be me, you, your friend, your sibling, etc. If CC isn't related to William's murdery-ness, then he should have a name.

[@refkydarkzero9728]

Yeah, it's not fnaf if it's not conflicting itself. There's always mystery that doesn't fully fleshed out until another installment or some puzzles that we doesn't know about (Foxy grid and the line marks, potentially the grid mark from the ruin too.) So there's a potential that's there gonna be more puzzles pieces that we can putting it back together but again I bet that the puzzle itself are gonna contradicting with another puzzle, again it's fnaf doing what's fnaf are best at. Can't wait the scott interview with dawko and into the pit came out. Keep up the good work Ozone.

[@AbbieJames25580]

Exactly that, mystery is what keeps this fandom alive and its one of, if not in the Top 3 biggest mysteries of the franchise.

[@the_godbodor7026]

You definitely need to react to the Dual Process Theory video. The video is an entire 2 hours and they cover a LOT more than just CC’s name with some takes that will definitely get a good reaction from you.

[@DrMedicsGameSurgery]

it ssurprising seeing peoep ljust run away with the dual process theory despite how many errors and contradictions it has

[@Comfy_GlitchX]

CC is important enough to be technically a main character of even just one game in FNAF 4, at least the mini games, so he needs an actual name.

[@aprettypatty107]

Welcome back and congrats on the new place

[@Moron_Makyze]

Since I first read the Charlie trilogy, it's been strange to me that one of the MCI kids was called Michael, even though I've probably seen some explanation at some point that I've just forgotten about. If CC is one of them, then trilogy Michael could have been a hint at an Afton child being one of the children (despite trilogy Michael just sharing a first name with Michael A), without directly name-dropping CC

[@markofabecic6824]

I personally believe this: Cassidy could be or could not be CC's name. The vengeful spirit / TOYSNHK is boy, and his name is Andrew. Even though he's supposed to be parallel to vengeful spirit from UCN and being 5th victim (Golden Freddy/ Fredbear).... Idk, but like they said. Maybe FNAF lore, of CC and his name, fears and nightmares, or what he saw, it maybe is actually really simpler and we are complicating it

[@skylerwarren7300]

It’s a nice theory, with a good story, it has some holes but it’s a theory and not a fact for a reason, the only reason why it’s getting major hate rn is because the already made tension between “book games” and “book parallels” Don’t just hate on a theory just because you might be wrong

[@gearbonz]

Crying child happens way to soon in the mini games, the MCI definitely happens afterwards. That being said the idea there was one kid before the crying child i can see that, maybe the child in the freddy suit while crying child is locked in the parts and service was Henry's first kid while Charly happens later on

[@Hawkx10]

Steven Z Killer brought up an interesting fact about the two eyes in Golden Freddy if you look closely it looks like Golden Freddy Left Eye is shining brough his right eye thus meaning there's only one spirit there. You can see the same thing in Bonnie's eyes and Freddy's eyes.

[@dark5994]

Scott has given us hints on things we were wrong about in the past so I don't think he would go this long without saying something like "hey you have the name but wrong character"

[@bloxbox795]

I mean there is that one weird picture of a girl in the fnaf 4 bed with a big slash through it in security breach. So clearly there is SOMETHING wrong with the whole cassidy/crying child thing that we've all been assuming. Still extremely vague on what exactly is wrong though.

[@Korra228]

There are a lot of these stories in their theory which is basically fanfiction substituting actual evidence

[@PokemonFan223]

The crying child is Cassidy because, 1 the survival logbook is supposed to tell us the crying child’s name and not the vengeful spirit’s name, I also figured out the vengeful spirits name which is Andrew because of the UCN line from withered chica referring say “I have seen him, the one you should not have killed”

[@Mitch_NZ]

The glowing eyes are all lit up. It’s just the way the heads are facing.

[@VBane]

I suggest reacting to the original video, there are a ton of points and ideas that werent covered in this one. The biggest point in their favor is that cassidy is altered text, which we know is CC from other altered text clues.

[@ReeceConnor.]

Congrats on getting in now you’re second Game Theory you now need to actually be in a episode and hey it would make perfect sense both you and Tom are British and you two can spend the entire episode together talking about the books and flecks all your book knowledge onto him

[@haizy_daizy9157]

Are you gonna finish tales from the pizzaplex audio books? I loved listening to your audio books at work

[@ciboria1]

I think you just need to watch Dual Process Theory's 2 hour video, bceause they have a lot of evidence to back up their statements. Because they are honestly simple points with icebergs of works CC = Crying Cassidy There are 3 spirits in the logbook; Mike, Charlie, and Cassidy. Its just that the sprite for Cassidy is CC Hope that makes sense

[@TeraChad23]

Ozone's back! Yippee!

[@AAA_NNN_DDD]

33:00 i feel like the contradiction is in your understanding, not what theyre saying. matpat says the bit about theorizers overcomplecating. then they talk about the gravestones in hw2, and you say "technically we dont know if that is the order of deaths". in my opinion, THAT is the unnecessarily complication. they are GRAVE STONES, chica was first which lines up with ucn, why would it be anything else? also, if charlie is first, why on earth would the security puppet exist in the first place? it doesnt make sense.

[@CamKoudo]

Reacting to a theory reacting to a theory 😂👌

[@300xp4]

But, has their been evidence after the forth game that there's two souls? Maybe that's the retcon

[@maxon1712]

I think u should watch duels video it’s more articulated but them I don’t agree with there theory but they make it sound more compelling in ther vid

[@AlexTawen]

Congrats on getting your own place brother! (Especially considering the state of the British housing market lmao.)

[@zgmfx-09a]

I heard the moon landing analogy in a destiny video lol.

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

Good to see you back mate, congratulations on your new independence 👍. As for my thoughts on the theory: the name being Cassidy i 99% agree with and I will explain my thought process *read reply for full thoughts*

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

I do think that Cassidy is BV's name as altered text (BV) and faded text (other spirit) don't have to of been talking to or about eachother the whole time. Faded interacts with Michael's drawings like the gravestone for example, which implies they are telling Michael that they are a victim of William or at the very least a spirit who is aware of being dead and knows who Micheal is. BV is altering text instead of adding on stuff to the book because they are either weak, lost or not yet confirmed they are dead which fits what we know about BV so with faded text wanting them to identify and see themselves likely to help them pass on which leads me to believe faded text is Charlie/the Puppet as FNAF World is literally them trying to do what is needed for BV to rest in Happiest Day. Plus the 2 spirits theory can still hold up as the Vengeful spirit would need to know about Nightmare/Nightmare Fredbear (who only Micheal knows) as well as other characters like Nightmarionette, Nightmare BalloonBoy, the many variations of the main 4 animatronics, Baby and the funtimes (great band name 😂), etc, in order to put them into UCN meaning Michael must of told them like he did in the logbook with Michael drawing Nightmare Fredbear and they know all the events in the franchise. Plus the fact Fredbear even appears in UCN shows the vengeful to knows Golden Freddy is Fredbear meaning they were killed and stuffed in Fredbear pre possession. Also, like the Stitchrafe, 1 spirit has all the control while the other can only talk to the spirit in control and is (most likely unintentionally) putting said spirit in a position where they cannot do stuff without harming others (this from how Andrew's agony causing the Stitchrafe to kill anything it touches while Jake just wants to help people and explore). So to recap, 1. I think the 3 characters in the logbook are Michael, the Puppet and BV (who i still think is Cassidy) with the vengeful spirit being the observer seeing everything unfold and when they are the only spirit left in Golden Freddy now is able to torment William. 2. The Vengeful spirit has to know about everything which shows they were with Cassidy in the logbook plus in every major event after the Puppet is possessed. And 3. The 2 spirits theory, imo, is 99% valid. *proceeded to bow and waits for applause*

[@TheSuperSnake313]

I just think that would make all the dual possession stuff from the books completely meaningless. Feel like Scott laid those breadcrumbs for a reason. Appreciate Duel Process Theory but don't necessarily agree with their theory 👍

[@zockerdarkside6686]

Please react to the DP video. It would be so interesting to hear about your thoughts about this massive theory.

[@molamola9723]

Matpat came back only to deliver one of the worst fnaf theories in awhile. Classic matpat I love him.

[@vykuntapufangtxpreet9546]

It's Not His Theory.

[@NoDingusCG]

i like

[@zenvariety9383]

The 7th child is Elizabeth Afton. Also, the books aren't canon to the games, but provide hints. Haven't played the games, but if Cassidy as a girl does exist then why doesn't she appear in the mini game cutscenes? Not to mention that the Vengeful spirit is either Mike or the Cassidy aka the crying child.

[@PokeMills]

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