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The Pac-12 made waves when they announced they would be adding Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, and Fresno State ahead of the 2026 season. The move does NOT rule out a potential invite to the Big 12 or ACC one day.
On today's episode of Locked On College Football, Spencer McLaughlin is joined by 'Locked On Gators' host Brandon Olsen to talk about the implications of their looming matchup with Texas A&M. Plus, they pick every game in the SEC this week--will LSU get a much needed win over South Carolina? 12:16
'Locked On Huskies' host Roman Tomashoff joins the show to look at this week's Apple Cup. How much danger are the Huskies in of losing to Jake Dickert's WSU Cougars? 22:42
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[@KaelanF]

WSU has also been putting in backups in those two games so....

[@maxwelleddy1009]

I can always count on Spencer to talk about pac-12 expansion. been at it for over a year😂

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

A year? Dawg we are over 2 years now lmaooo

[@adamcompean9385]

1:22 ​@LockedOnCollegeFootball Spencer, you owe us Cougs fans a huge major apology!!! I told not to listen to Roman, the used car salesman on very bad advice to get you to roll over to Huskies to win! Down goes the Dawg-it's!!!! 😅😅😅 It's nice to see Huskies enter the b10 with a WSU Cougs loss!!! Go Cougs!!!

[@cougsjohnson1]

Right now the Beavs & Cougs need to focus on Winning as many Games as possible. That is what ultimately helps put lots of eyes on these Programs.

[@stanleyrelyea9249]

What would the possibilities of Cal and Stanford returning to the Pac-12 by 2026?

[@tarheel7406]

I suspect that CAL/STANFORD and the 4Cs returning are mutually dependent.

[@briancollins1233]

Apple cup could go either way, but the large WSU defense yards give up was mainly against WSU’s scout team (2nd half of PSU game).

[@N8R_Quizzie]

big W for WSU and 6-Pac

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

The real PAC was actually 131 years not 108...It commenced when Herbert Hoover printed up a bunch of tickets and scalped them at Golden Gate park for Cal-Ford game. The 1st out of state meeting occurred the following year when Stanford took a steam locomotive to Seattle Washington and beat UW 40-0 (ouch). The formal PAC was restarted while CAL and Stanford were on football hiatus from ceasing varsity football operations, Cal rejoined the formal PAC and finally played their first ever match with an eastern power in Pasedena where they shutout the Ohio State Buckeyes 1921 Rose bowl 28-0 (ouch).

[@Thaleck]

14-16 teams is still the best option. Pac-12 would get its bid back, and still allow for the G5 to pick up one also. Meh. Perhaps in a few years.

[@meximartmk3]

Tha Pac 12 should go big and swing for Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Kansas, Memphis and Tulane. Those schools right there would make the pac-12 The definitive 5th best conference in the country no question about it with the best media markets of any group of 6 conference.

[@devobronc]

Laughable.

[@tarheel7406]

No... The 4Cs, CAL, STANFORD, SMU +X.

[@stevenw5838]

😂😂😂 sure buddy, they would definitely be interested in cutting their media deal by more than half, taking a smaller percentage for playoffs payout, and giving up on a p4 conference with a guaranteed autobid. In return, they join a league who still has no tv deal and is still one foot in the grave.

[@chrisryan48]

Worst take yet. OSU & Wazzu now run the PAC. They won’t leave for the Big 12 or ACC. Neither of those are really upgrades. The PAC-12 will be the most powerful G6 conference by far and the champion will get the auto bid every year.

[@dgart7434]

"and the champion will get the auto bid every year" .... unless C-USA, MAC, Sunbelt, or AAC have an undefeated team in a year the new PAC-12 does not.

[@devobronc]

​@@dgart7434Undefeated against no one? Those G5 suitors would need a hell of a great OOC schedule to pull that off.

[@dgart7434]

@@devobronc not true. Liberty got the G5 bid last year with a terrible SOS. And it was the football college playoff committee that picked Liberty over SMU.

[@kalisbestpttkoj692]

PAC 12 runs the show and all haters are jealous.

[@jennasw523]

@@dgart7434I bet the pac 12 goes after the best aac teams next.

[@HGRock-w4r]

If I was the Pac 12, I would add UNLV, St. Mary's, Gonzaga, Rice, UTSA, and Texas State.

[@dgart7434]

I could see doing a Gonzaga/ Hawaii football kind of deal. St. Mary and Rice would be bad fits.

[@thejfactor1]

Hard no to Rice.

[@dylanwade9825]

​@@dgart7434I agree with almost everything you said. Hawaii doesn't make sense, though.

[@devobronc]

Rice delivers no TV sets, Hawaii is out, and the WCC Schools aren't joining- that's appealing dream that simply never happens.

[@devobronc]

​@@dylanwade9825None of the 4 added Scholls will vote to add Hawaii

[@logangolding9790]

They should call this conference the "PAC-State"

[@dakotalynde1913]

Not to bash of CSU, SDSU, and Fresno State but Boise state has basically dominated the mountain west and plays well against the big boys. Like your ducks Spencer. According to the director of the cfp. The pac-12 knows what it has to do to maintain a power level. It's just will that happen. Not sure. I'd love my broncos to be considered power in football. I'm just wondering who the next 2-4 teams could be

[@JamesKelleyJr]

No one in the PAC2 wants in the ACC nor the BIG12. They have a pretty darn good TV deal for the situation. In N.C. I will see more wazzu and Oregon st. games down here on CW than I will USC or Washington games by a large margin this year. The schools in the MW that are leaving to play in the branded PAC12 to elevate their programs. This will get them more exposure and buzz to help with recruitment. The PAC2 teams have always been more on MW talent level, stadium size, enrollment, ect. If the MW is smart they'll reenter talks to merge the 2 under the PAC12 brand and not fight this because if they do they'll end up BIGEASTing themselves.

[@MichaelPressler970]

Yes it does, BigXII politely shut the door firmly and that was the impetus for this move

[@ryanberger81]

Unfortunately, I agree. This feels like a very desperate move, and acknowledges surrender to relegation. Clearly it was signaled to OSU/WSU in one way or another that the lifeline would never come, which triggered this move.

[@dgart7434]

@@ryanberger81 very likely but I imagine if WSU and OSU still believe a lifeline could come after 2026, they can always structure the PAC in such a way to not have exit fees and make it easier for them to leave in the chance comes up.

[@onlinepole]

P12 more likely to merger with ACC since ACC has Stanford & Cal in a geographic 🏝️. ACC isnt going to lose as many teams as a lot of fans think. SEC doesn’t need any ACC teams, maybe they take NC St. FSU is digging a relationship whole for themselves with the way they’re behaving, B10 may decide they only need to add Miami in Fl plus Clemson, NC & maybe Lville. B10 won’t add more than 4 and maybe just 2. SEC 2 at most. ACC teams tgst could go B12 if B12 has better pay structure, who besides Lville , Pitt maybe VT. ACC can fill up with the P12 plus South Florida, Navy & Army(football only) possibly NIU

[@tarheel7406]

@@onlinepole No clue.... a) The B1G is waiting for ND+1 and UNC+1 (UVA). b) The SEC is waiting on UNC+1 and UVA+1. c) There is no purpose for any ACC/PAC merger.

[@derrickrichins5747]

The G5 auto bid just went to the PAC12 even if not in writing. The Pac12 has an auto bid. The rest of the G5 has no access to the playoff. The strongest G5 just got poached. The AAC is next. The Pac12 is not technically an AQ conference but who gets that "G5" bid? The PAC12. The G5 just died

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

As of now, P12 quest for Playoff bid will be rivaled by American and maybe Sun Belt

[@dgart7434]

Did you forget last year? Liberty got in with an absolute trash SoS. A two loss PAC champ will not get in over an undefeated MAC or MWC program.

[@panchogeorocks]

The G5 should have their own CFP. End of discussion

[@adamcompean9385]

​​@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Now that the Pac is back! Is their going to be again lock-on Pac12 show again? Bill Walton would want it back! TY.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

@@panchogeorocks I support

[@rangersking6699]

The big 12 and ACC both aren’t calling. They’ve turned down these teams multiple times now. It’s not happening

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

I only see WSU/OSU getting an ACC invite if the AC, loses 6 or more schools. I see FSU/CU leaving the ACC in 2027 if ESPN doesn’t renew current agreement. If ESPN renews, I see them leaving in 2029/2030. Just in time for new media deals. Lower exit fees so more ACC teams leave.

[@tarheel7406]

a) To where are CLEMSON and FSU going? b) Why would the ACC need to backfill more even after losing 6?

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

@@tarheel7406 IMO if ESPN doesn’t renew the current ACC media deal by Feb 2025, I see FSU & Miami in the B1G in 2027. If they renew, I see them in the B1G in 2031 when the buyout will be lower and B1G media deal will be up for renewal. If those 2 schools leave, I see UNC & UVA getting into the SEC, as the SEC will want to expand its football footprint in contiguous growing states. I don’t see the B1G going past 20 teams unless ND decides to join the B1G if major ACC brands leave. SEC will also want to go to 20 schools. In that scenario, Clemson would also be invited as the 19th school. Then the question will be who would be the 20th SEC school? My guess would be a basketball school to add to boost SEC basketball so Kansas or Duke come to mind. I’m sure ESPN would love to keep UNC & Duke in the same conference under their media control. So I am guessing Duke. Remaining less valuable ACC teams such as Louisville, Pitt, VT, NCSt, Syracuse & GT would look to the B12 for a landing spot. My guess is Pitt, VT, NCSt & Louisville would end up in the B12 to get to 20. If Kansas goes to the SEC, then B12 would backfill with UConn. If Kansas stays they may go to 24 and add UConn, Syracuse (UConn rival), SDSU and GT. Leftover ACC brands could then invite AAC schools or merge with the PAC-12 and try to keep P4 status.

[@tarheel7406]

@@Mr.Ed_Wayner a) When will you and others figure out that the B1G doesn't want FSU? b) Even under your scenario, why would any ACC remainder move to a then even more irrelevant BIG12? For what purpose such a consolidation? The B1G isn't likely to surpass 20 members unless for ND+1 and UNC+1, which isn't likely. FSU would not be either's +1.

[@rawn4203]

Maybe OSU and WSU can just stay in the pac12, with these 4 additions it is back on the way to rebuilding. You could easily argue Boise has been the stronger football program compared to USC or UCLA the last 15 year or so. I know I would. UNLV is the next logical addition and then maybe UNM - great basketball school. And no brainer - add zaga for hoops. SDSU, Zaga, UNM, and and up and coming WSU program too. Pretty solid.

[@LoneWanderer727]

LockedonHuskies with a highly confident pick that UW will dominate Wazzu? I for one, am shocked. Just like UW fans will be when they walk out of Seattle with an L on Saturday.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

This is the sort of trash talk comment I live for

[@daddio159]

@@LoneWanderer727 Shocked, really? Cougs allowe 215 yards rushing and 30 points to Portland St, who then lost 43-16 to Weber St.

[@devobronc]

I don't care where Wazzu fans live; it is stupid to have your in-state Rivalry Game at a neutral site.

[@KaelanF]

​@daddio159 almost all of those yards came when we had our backups in

[@daddio159]

@@KaelanF most of their points occurred in the first half, and your backups still shouldn't be allowing those kind of yards to an FCS team. Especially considering they then lost to Weber St, the very next game, 43-16 and didn't even get 250 yards.

[@Darrius996]

Maybe WSU and Oregon State will through mass money at Florida State and Clemson. That would be the move to relevance

[@adamcompean9385]

Spencer, what are you thinking listening to Roman?????? he's like a used car 🚗 salesman! He just sold you a basket of lemon's 🍋 of advice! 😅 Go, Cougs and Beav's!

[@benbrennan1808]

Can’t really do that… you take Oregon Washington USC off the table WSU and OSU would have made some appearances. 2018 Cougs would have made the playoffs

[@jalalhockett9114]

man... i would agree with you, but Washington State has been to bowl games 9 of the last 11 years. since 2013 they've won 74 games. not amazing, but UCLA has also won 74. Arizona State has 72 wins. 62 wins for Arizona. 57 wins for Cal. Colorado... i'm not even going to count. they probably got like... 25. It's not about winning. Washington State has been super competitive for the last decade. It's about who has the biggest doners. With doners comes money. With money comes influence. With influence comes "Power." If winning was such a big deal, Colorado would have never been considered. Boise State would have been in a P5 a long time ago. Schools like Boston College and Purdue and Northwestern and Iowa State and Vandy would have been relegated decades ago. They all have a LOT of money. these so called "power" teams just have money. that doesn't always equate to good football. See: Indiana

[@scott4482]

As a Beaver, I don't want the ACC. If the Big12 wanted O State I'd say ok. Uncivil War, it wouldn't be the first time the Holes championship dreams die in Corvallis.

[@steveokahn7249]

As a Coug, I think all these analysts overestimate WSU's and OSU's desire to join the Big 12 and ACC. I agree, for the last year they probably wanted a Big 12 invite just to make things easier for both them and the MW. But they make it sound like WSU/OSU are at doorsteps begging. Yes, it is business, but I don't think they understand the nature of being a Coug or Beaver...we have always been underestimated and are more than willing to blaze our own new trails.

[@zplapplap]

@@steveokahn7249Anyway you look at it, the prospect of a long term loss of revenue and relegation to a lower subdivision is an existential crisis. There was no alternative to doing everything humanly possible to get into a P4 conference. It’s the undeniable reality of the situation that had to be faced head-on by both universities.

[@Gringo-Billy]

lol, your cope is hilarious.

[@CatsClaw44]

​@steveokahn7249 You don't want into the Big 12 and the Big 12 doesn't want, that's great news!

[@steveokahn7249]

@@CatsClaw44 Reading comprehension, not your strong point.

[@jaybee970]

CSU beat Boise last year for the first time in program history. Also the team used to be good when McElwain was coach he got them into the top 25 one season. Hopefully they go and hire him back if this current coach doesn’t work out. 7:27

[@devobronc]

CSU wasn't added for Football. That game caused Boise to fire its coach midseason. CSU is in because of potential & Market; not demonstrated Football success. CSU gets points for commitment to facilities (New Stadium, etc) Market, & positive Growrh as an Athletics Program.

[@dgart7434]

I am curious as to why the PAC did not poach enough MWC schools to dissolve the conference. Those exit fees are steep.

[@daddio159]

I imagine they only want the biggest remaining G5 schools, so they can 1, get the biggest deal and 2, have it be small enough to be manageable, and 3, still big enough to offer inventory. This also still Allows to have the MW survive and now there's G6 or power 2, super 2, premier 1, and g5. Or something like that.

[@devobronc]

​@daddio159 Yup. The "goal" was never to destroy the MWC. I would predict that only 1 maybe 2 more MWC Schools could be added; and 1 or none, if The PAC gets AAC Members like Memphis, Tulane, UTSA.

[@daddio159]

@@devobronc ideally they could get a min of 10, so 9 conf games and 3 non conf ones could be scheduled, but 8 would also work.

[@dgart7434]

@@devobronc as I mentioned exit fees are steep, maybe adding more MWC members just isn't worth it, but it is worth considering. Also while destroying the MWC isn't a goal it is an added bonus. There is one playoff slot for the G5. If both the PAC and MWC survive it will now be the G6.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

For MWC “Ungrateful 4” they better insist on Pac-12 going to at least 10 teams. Why? Because if WSU/OSU get P4 invites the remaining Pac12 will have at least 8 schools and won’t need to go poach teams from other G5 conferences.

[@maverik3330]

ungrateful for what? Those four schools were the only real strength of the MWC and the rest of the conference were really a drag? If I can take the chance on dropping the rest of the MWC (minus UNLV and maybe Wyo) and possibly replacing them with Texas State, NIU, Memphis, Tulane then I absolutely do it. Even if you just take the 6 schools they have now and add two FCS teams (Idaho, NDSU, SDSU,) its a better conference then the current MWC as configured. Even if WSU and OSU left for the ACC its still a better top to bottom conference than the current MWC. The teams at the bottom of the MWC are that big of a drag.

[@Gringo-Billy]

@@Mr.Ed_Wayner They are never getting an invite.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

@@maverik3330 it’s the name they are being given just like the B12 schools left after UT/OU decided to leave were know a the “desperate eight”

[@peterfitzentite6581]

The Nevada board of regents will not allow UNLV

[@dylanwade9825]

Correction, they will not allow UNLV without also taking Nevada as a package deal

[@devobronc]

Fine. Then UNLV can be irrelevant; just like Nevada. Funny how this same board didn't care when UNLV was in the MWC, and Nevada joined the WAC- so it's hardly an impossible thing.

[@devobronc]

​@dylanwade9825 Then both are stuck in the depleted MWC forever.

[@devobronc]

​@@dylanwade9825as if UNLv offers enough upside to compensate for bringing Nevada along? Nope.

[@brendankelly9037]

@@devobroncit would give them a strong presence in the Vegas tv market, which is a huge factor in how college football has been realigned in the past

[@patrickboren2211]

We will have to wait and see, this is all dependent upon ESPN/FOX acceptance. I do not see the SuperWho happening in this next decade.

[@UncleBen-h2y]

Conferences won’t exist in 10 years. But in the meantime the pac12 should just raid the MW and bring in all 12 MW teams plus bring in two other schools like Memphis and N. Illinois which are two hot programs right now! If you blow up the MW there would be no exit fees! I mean why not?!?

[@wwbaker3]

Now that they’re flush with cash from the windfall from the departed schools, how many G5 conferences are WSU and OSU going to destabilize? How many small G5 schools are they going to screw over?

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

Adapt or die.

[@dgart7434]

Yes

[@devobronc]

Waaaah

[@wwbaker3]

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Call it what it is then - a hostile takeover. Whatever sympathy and goodwill they had after being left behind, well, that's all lost as they turned into the same villains they decried.

[@moultonlavagaming]

That texas tech WSU game. WSU won they allowed 491 but only allowed 16 points

[@TGrover2011]

Im saying this as an upset MWC fan, but i hope OSU and WSU get invites to another conference and take it and leave these other schools with egg on their face for having made the move.

[@MattBuild4]

At least in terms of SDSU, Boise State an Fresno State the moves are self inflicted by the MWC over the last 5--8 years. Kinda hard to blame the teams when it was the MWC who tried to renag on existing contracts.

[@ReisterJP]

The CUSA/MWC merger will soon happen

[@Thaleck]

That Vegas market is too good to pass on.

[@chrisryan48]

UNLV must move with NEVADA per the Nevada legislature. And Nevada is not an option for the PAC. So unless something changes, UNLV is out.

[@dgart7434]

@@chrisryan48 why rule out Nevada? While it is not a football power it does have a great basketball program and it is a state flagship school.

[@devobronc]

Not good enough to swallow a UNR Poison Pill.

[@devobronc]

​Because Conferences are fomed for Football, not Hoops. Also, What Stadium Improvements has Reno done in 20 years? Nothing... while SDSU and even struggling to mid CSU has invested in a new upgraded Stadium.

[@devobronc]

​@@chrisryan48Never will happen. Either UNLV alone, or both are left behind.

[@derrickrichins5747]

The ACC will pick up the stragglers to stay alive. The G5 is done. If were an AD at a G5 school I would be having a panic attack and calling the PAC12. 2nd to last opportunity to get in. When the ACC gets clobbered by exits that will be the last opportunity. There won't be enough market share left in the G5 after that to survive. If the Pac takes the top 8-10 and then the acc takes a handful more then what is left? What is left is the future powerhouses of the FCS.

[@tarheel7406]

The ACC has already backfilled with CAL+2.

[@scott4482]

Sun Belt Billy is history Florida is out of patience

[@BenBrennan-fx6db]

A big12 school went to Pullman last week and got a pants down spanking, WSU has beaten the best team in the big 12 (Utah) a number of times make a couple key additions and the pac-12 is better than the ACC and big12

[@tarheel7406]

Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024) ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances) B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy) B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington) PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington) SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS) BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014) ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND) B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX) B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE) PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE) SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)

[@lastpme]

I add AFA, UNLV, UNT, UTSA. If they want to go for 12 I add Tulane and Tulsa. I think Memphis is too far based on the TV they will get.

[@devobronc]

I like these suggestions, but not sure they would add AFA... nor whether AFA bolts firnthe AAC after this? UNLV obviois, but they won't take Nevada. Memphis and/or Tulane probably top the list.

[@panchogeorocks]

I highly doubt Oregon st or Washington st are leaving for the BIg 12. Just stop!😅😂

[@andrewmueller9986]

Cougars chase young beaver

[@Gringo-Billy]

The Big 12 is never taking these crayon eaters.

[@Argonhubert]

Why so salty about it?

[@TheJellysickle]

That’s fine. The Big 12 isn’t great by any stretch.

[@moultonlavagaming]

The hell is wrong with you

[@Lilllingstoner]

SMH....what kind of duck fan are you 🤪

[@jaredmitts5203]

Go Huskies!!!

[@derrickrichins5747]

Roman you are talking too fast. It hurts your position. Slow down! You sound like a desperate underdog trying to make your point. The Big boys are deliberate, relaxed, and they pause. Are you talking football or having an argument with your partner? Slow down man.

[@derrickrichins5747]

Start by eliminating unnecessary words. Don't repeat the question just answer it.

[@derrickrichins5747]

You were on at 30:30 Do that

[@BamaScorpio69]

This is totally irrelevant right now.

[@devobronc]

Irrelevant? Just like SEC out of Conference "Away" Games?