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@PPSzB22 күн бұрын
Imho it's really good to pick Clove as second controller when you have Omen. This way you can freely lurk as an Omen or play really aggressive as either agent and still have the rechargeable smokes if one of them (or even both) dies. I have seen the attempt to do that in C9 vs NRG game on Sunset. Doing that with other controllers don't give so much freedom, because Brim/Astra don't have rechargeable smokes and Harbor/Viper smokes can't be used in place of Omen smokes most of the time
@dev18922 күн бұрын
The point is astra is a way better second controller pick than clove especially her ult got way more value
@phinks536822 күн бұрын
@@dev189 Mhmm its situational astra's ult isn't inherently better than Clove's other than the fact that it can be used for a site exec. Also clove can play easier off her own timings with their metal than astra can with her stun or pull. Clove is definitely a better secondary controller than astra especially since her smokes refresh and she can smoke while dead.
@dev18922 күн бұрын
@@phinks5368 clove is hella better in ranked but in vct? Id say astra is way more valuable
@phinks536822 күн бұрын
@dev189 I think we gotta give it time for teams to really figure out Clove's value and the comps. Kinda like Yoru everyone just wrote him off early but as a few teams started using him and figuring out how to use him in what scenario best now we see him used on multiple maps and comps in the vct
@PPSzB21 күн бұрын
@@phinks5368 exactly, Clove util is used really bad by pros rn, I'm sure Clove will find some niche
@ContentOf_OfflineTVAndFriends22 күн бұрын
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@Clyne6920 күн бұрын
It’s Rayna with smokes of course it’s not gonna get more value frag wise than Rayna or get more utility value than Astra, it’s the middle ground
@Djeljosue22 күн бұрын
Man, 2 13-11 score lines are really sad for TS, even tho i like Talon, i think it is way more fun to support an all Filipino team instead of the guys that signed a ranked demon as a clutch, sadly, ts normally fumbles in the final hurdle and so, now i can only wish for them to have an even better run next year.
@noah.p225422 күн бұрын
Not only he ranked demon but the pressure he get and didn't have experience on competitive scene is a big w from him
@antonZ88822 күн бұрын
how did talon make champs if the 4th place is based on champions points secret has 7 and talon has 4... ik the 3 teams are locked with geng prx and drx but how is talon through, does this mean if for example in eu navi beat vitality and fnatic beat kc theyre the 4 teams that go to champs which is navi fnatic fut and th?
@Lines232222 күн бұрын
Im pretty sure only 1 team can go to champs with points and TLN won this game and that means they qualified
@antonZ88822 күн бұрын
@@Lines2322 so whats they point of points then wtf is that? the 4 teams just make champs
@jakkaphatpheukaiam594322 күн бұрын
Talon has 6 what do you mean
@jakkaphatpheukaiam594322 күн бұрын
They win against TS they have 7 now
@antonZ88822 күн бұрын
@@jakkaphatpheukaiam5943 where does it say vlr says they have 4