Package Stolen From Delivery Driver's Hand

[@rogerszmodis]

This guy needs to step up his game. People are stealing whole porches these days.

[@Hatbox948]

Lol.

[@microdesigns2000]

Porch Pirates of the Caribbean, lol.

[@LW97672]

This shouldn’t have made me laugh but it did. 😂

[@GuyFromJupiter]

"Can't have s*** in Detroit!"

[@richlaue]

I saw that! In 2019 a UPS Truck was stolen and in Dec 2021 a UPS tractor trailer was stolen.

[@pzeller1]

I was delivering once to a house with a fractional number (like 22-1/2). I called the customer and asked them if their house was on the East or West side of the street. They said it depends on which way you're going. No sir, no it does not.

[@CrainialCommando]

First you really shouldn't expect a customer to know east from west and second as a delivery driver YOU should know even numbers run down one side and odd on the other and half numbers like 22.5 will either be between 22 and 23 or behind house 22.

[@MeRia035]

Oh my lord! 😄 how frustrating!

[@throckwoddle]

​@@CrainialCommando Completely agree. When I was doing orienteering, and after that when I was a delivery driver I knew the cardinal directions, now I have to think about it for a while. For the vast majority of people relative direction is what we think about. I currently live in a half-number. What's really annoying is when the delivery companies re-calculate the half address as being in a completely different location than near the full-addressed house and misdeliver the package.

[@TheWatcherxx99]

I'm British, 43 years old. This is the first I've heard about half numbers 🤷🏻‍♂️ We have a b c etc e.g. 9a Buckingham Rd or 22b Westminster Avenue. Is that the same?

[@fastandfun20043]

@@CrainialCommando 22 and 23 should be different sides of the street? If its between are you suggesting it should be in the middle of the road?

[@d77543020]

As a delivery driver please if you're going to be ordering stuff on a consistent basis make sure your numbers on your house are visible or at least put them on your mailbox Google isn't 100%

[@foxtayle446]

Word! I back this statement 100%

[@Darbobski]

If you are not sure that you have the right house, don't deliver the package. If the numbers are not legible or visible, don't deliver the package.

[@SayAhh]

On top of having a house number, also make sure it's the right number. I'd also add the street name, just in case the police tries to serve a no-knock warrant (if it is still legal in your state) at the house with the correct number...but on the wrong street.

[@CrainialCommando]

I was a contracting manager for years and from my experience the "consistent" customers will usually get remembered after a few trips but the "once in a blue moon" ones will most likely get their packages sent back (code 02). That was my most common argument with customers was no address posted then they act like its someone elses fault the driver didn't know which house was theirs.

[@SayAhh]

​@@Darbobski"If you are drunk, don't drive home." "If there are people inside a car, don't assume it's unoccupied, especially it's a warm day." Yeah, you're dealing with humans. For some of them, NO amount of warning signs will be ever be enough.

[@CrainialCommando]

I was a fed-ex driver for 10 years and had someone pull in behind me and try to identify themselves as the recipient so I asked for his name and he couldn't tell me. I took a picture of his license plate and he drove away instead.

[@rogerszmodis]

Hello, my name is Mr. Burns. I believe you have a letter for me.

[@CrainialCommando]

@@rogerszmodis It was YOUUUU.... I still have a picture of your license plate dude......

[@invalidrequest]

Wow, that's really some great news!

[@alc5792]

Fed ex driver should Carry stilletos the cops have no need to pursue ir.

[@microdesigns2000]

​@@alc5792I can't imagine FedEx delivery in high heels. 👠👠

[@joshwilliams7692]

Several years ago, we had some crappy neighbors next door to us in an apartment complex. When we were moving out, we had a box of fish oil delivered to our old apartment (while we were still paying the rent, but after we moved out). Someone stole the package. It had to have been those neighbors because no one else could have even seen that the was a package at our door. We always thought it would have been hilarious to watch them steal that package just to find it was filled with bottles of fish oil. Amazon sent us a new package for free, so for us, it was just really funny.

[@rogerszmodis]

What if fish oil was exactly what they were hoping to find?

[@arinerm1331]

I used to be a scout leader, and every year our troop would do a food drive. On one weekend the boys would go door-to-door to let the residents know about the food drive, and the second weekend we would collect the donations left on the porches in bags the boys had given the residents. One of the items donated, I kid you not, was a can of "fish assholes".

[@additudeobx]

I've seen people rig imposter delivery boxes with a firecracker that would go off inside the box when it was picked up. There is YT video on it from doorbell cameras. Now that's funny, watching porch pirates that fall down, trip themselves running, etc.

[@hansbaeker9769]

@@additudeobx I'd love to see someone put a bull snake in a box and set it on their porch. Bull snakes may not be poisonous, but they can be really feisty -- the only snake that I've ever been bitten by was a bull snake even though I've had more close encounters with rattlesnakes. That includes the time I fell on top of a rattlesnake out in a field -- my father said that he couldn't tell which of us was in the bigger hurry to get away. And the way many people are scared of snakes, even ones that aren't poisonous, it would be great. Porch pirates would truly deserve a rattlesnake in a box, but a bull snake would likely be a little less of an issue.

[@briangarrow448]

One of the benefits of living in a small town was that the delivery drivers knew where I worked. If I got a package on a normal workday, they would drop it off at my workplace. My favorite driver was from UPS, and he told me that when he saw I had a package from a sporting goods store or cigar shop, he made absolutely sure that I got my packages! I also made sure my regular drivers got bottles of good quality whiskey at the holidays. Never lost a single package in over 24 years of working there!

[@toriless]

Send me some whiskey and I will drop it off too.

[@additudeobx]

I know what you mean. I gave my UPS driver a key to the front door of two of my business so that he could make business and personal deliveries during off hours.

[@briangarrow448]

@@toriless It’s amazing what a little consideration can get you! I also did the same thing for my garbage collection crew at that time of year. Never had a single problem with my garbage cans being overweight.

[@hansbaeker9769]

@@additudeobx The vestibule of my office is never locked. I used to have the only key and I lost it several years ago. Many homeowners here don't lock their houses. The drivers will generally set their packages inside their house for them.

[@johnnyt599]

I got an email that said , your package has been delivered , with a picture of it on a front porch . I checked and found nothing . Looked at the picture again and realized it wasn't my porch !! Good job ..

[@CrainialCommando]

Was your house number posted?

[@throckwoddle]

My wife jumped through hoops to register our current address with FedEx. And still they sometimes recalculate our current address to our old address. I had to drive an hour out of my way during rush hour to our old house to pick up a package after recognizing the old porch in their photo.

[@CrainialCommando]

@@throckwoddle If your old address is on the label then that's an issue with the shipper, fed-ex is just going where the address is telling them to. Fed-ex really can't relabel a package without approval from the shipper so it's best to sort it out with them instead.

[@fredblonder7850]

Well, it WAS delivered. The text didn’t say WHERE.

[@dominaevillae28]

@johnnyt599 I’ve had packages left on a porch and a picture was sent to me-but I don’t have a porch or even a house🤣, we’re living in an RV while building. Not only is my address number clearly marked on my mail box, there is a parcel deliverbox next to it with two delivery signs on it. I’ve also had packages delivered 1/2 mile away from me and left in the sand-with a picture 🙄.

[@rherman9085]

The POS thieves don't know, they don't care. They are selling this on fb Marketplace the next day. As a marketplace moderator, I see these crap all day. Facebook is worried more about hurting someone's feelings rather than dealing with these scammers.

[@knerduno5942]

Especially the 13%

[@ygrittesnow1701]

Yeah look at the scams that facebook is openly facilitating as sponsored. One such add is for a solar generator with panels listed for $29 claiming to be an Amazon listing.

[@invalidrequest]

Modship isn't an achievement, but kudos anyway.

[@rogerszmodis]

@@invalidrequest I bet they put it on their resume.

[@gabby8388]

Well I’m not on fb thank goodness.

[@SSJIndy]

It's not that people are 'desperate' now, it's that they are depraved and don't care about right vs. wrong.

[@rogerszmodis]

Nothing new. That’s why people invented a magic sky man who will punish people for doing things on his list of bad things. It just worked a little better on an entirely uneducated society.

[@hippiebits2071]

Makes me wonder if this person wasn't yapping beforehand that he was expecting the delivery. Never know who is trustworthy these days. The thief was either VERY lucky or this was set up beforehand.

[@nfcapps]

NAILED IT!

[@jeffreycheng5984]

This is ((teaching your kids!))

[@GamesFromSpace]

Yeah, nobody in the past would have robbed people, this is completely new!

[@davidshakespeare9767]

When the criminal has a better car then the person they rob you know it’s UPSIDEdown

[@JeffreyJibson]

I had a package being delivered by USPS. I had just dropped off kids at school and knew a package was supposed to be there. We live in a condo so we had one of 24 boxes. I asked if the package was there. He had me unlock my box to prove it was me. Smart guy!

[@gregGould]

About 2 years ago I discovered a white box in the alley behind my house. It had clearly been discarded. I walked over to inspect it to discover that it was a Cologuard box. Someone had submitted a sample of their poop in the box and left it on their porch to be picked up by the postal carrier. So the thief had stolen someone's turd. I'm guessing that they felt rather shitty about what they had stolen. LOL

[@bryantaylor2523]

Could the fact that the criminal said "I live here" make him also guilty of identity theft?

[@t3hr4nd0m1]

Once had amazon send a notification "Your delivery was handed to a resident of the home." Or something like that. Technically they didn't lie, my bloodhound is a resident of the home. She also ate the package. I really needed that cable.

[@toriless]

hardy har har

[@josepherhardt164]

Thanks. Thanks a lot. You owe me a coffee and a keyboard ...

[@wtf1185]

I pulled into my driveway one day and a UPS guy was walking towards my house, I asked him what the address on the package was and he read out my neighbors address. I then pointed to a prominently placed plaque I had installed on my house, stained Kona Brown, with 4" tall gold colored numbers on it. "Oh, I didn't see that" was his reply. I now have a 6x6 post for my mail box, also stained Kona Brown, with 5" gold colored numbers facing the street.

[@invalidrequest]

Do better. You can make the letters five feet tall next time, but we still won't see it because we just won't be bothered to pay you any mind.

[@sabinrawr]

My house has gold numbers on a dark maroon background, not terribly different from your color. Depending on the light, I can't read it from the sidewalk most of the time.

[@toriless]

I doubt an extra inch will help.

[@sabinrawr]

@@toriless There is a "that's what she said" joke in there somewhere...

[@ohsweetmystery]

I am happy to live where packages don't get stolen and I've had people bring me my packages that were misdelivered.

[@HariSeldon913]

I not only had packages for across the street, but one time got a letter for someone that lived a couple of miles away. I wrote 'delivered to wrong address' on it and put it on top of the mailbox. The carrier took it away the next day, then delivered it to me again a couple days later. The second time I came down to my computer, printed out a map of the correct address, and attached it to the letter. Didn't see it a third time.

[@MartintheTinman]

But it's the "Land of the Free"! Are you telling me that means packages aren't free

[@lesliegossner681]

I have had a package for a nearby address more than once. I generally just walk it over. One day a very flustered delivery driver turned up 10 minutes after I dropped one off looking for the package they had just realised was at the wrong address. They seemed amused I had delivered it for them.

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

"Diversity is our strength"

[@roberttobias2153]

Do you live in Mister Rogers neighborhood?

[@davidransom4476]

When I was a mailman, a woman on my route was complaining that I'd left a package out on their porch in full view with a desktop computer in it. The box had a picture of the computer and was obvious. I didn't remember having a package for them the day before, so I asked if she still had the box. She brought it out and it was a UPS label, but that box did show what was in it.

[@SayAhh]

Amazon has been trying to save money and require companies to make their packages "shippable" so soon your Amazon Playstation 5 delivery might come in a clearly labeled Sony PS5 package instead of the brown Amazon box with the "smile" logo.

[@davidransom4476]

@@SayAhh , I've received a few like that, shoes and other items, but not through Amazon. Just slapped the label on the box and used strong tape.

[@mjlh7079]

I used to work in IT and we'd save the boxes, take them home, fill them up with dog poop & put them on the front porch. I wonder what the thieves thought when they realized they'd literally stolen sh*t

[@toriless]

Yep, people be dumbly

[@siberx4]

The reason they steal packages despite not knowing what's inside is that the chance of actually getting caught and prosecuted is so low that even if only a small fraction of the packages contain valuable enough items, they still come out ahead.

[@SadPuppySoup]

I ordered an expensive B.C. Rich guitar 10 yrs ago and it came in a triangle shaped box that said BC RICH all over it and the fed x guy just set it on the porch for all to see and left, he could of laid it behind the porch wall out of site of the road. I ordered 4 tires last year and went to help the driver carry them and she wouldn't let me, said she had to leave them on the porch and ring my door bell and txt the owner, it was policy and when my phone rang the txt she left, now that was very nice and shows delivery drivers and policies have changed.

[@callak_9974]

I figure if you have proof you live there (ie. photo id), that should be pretty good at telling them that you're the one who either ordered the items or know who did.

[@toriless]

Yeah, some places will warn you it may come in a labeled box and give you an option to double box it. I forget where but it happened to me recently. I think I did no opt for it but they did it anyway.

[@SadPuppySoup]

Yeah my wallet was inside and I just waited for the txt to show her, took like 2 seconds@@callak_9974

[@SadPuppySoup]

@@toriless I wish they would of told me it was coming in a labeled guitar shaped box but I was waiting for it so I seen the truck drive away. But to think a $3000 guitar shipped like it was and bounced around I was lucky it wasn't broken. I learned.

[@justyntyme114]

As a delivery driver for a world wide company we are always trying to watch out around us to avoid being followed and leaving packages in plain sight.. Delivery mistakes happen because of many factors, not all associated with the driver, however because the driver is the last to touch the package before delivery, all the blame and burden is placed on the driver. Having driven up to places to deliver, and been molested by dogs (bitten 8 times in 18 years), angry Karen's, and yes even having customers pull guns on me, our job is not easy and we do not get paid near what brown gets paid, for having to deal with the complaints, rude and vicious customers on a daily basis. We do have our good customers and we remember them when our days are crap. Remember your delivery driver has to deal with their terminal managers, incorrectly loaded trucks, traffic and construction, finding houses where the customer has removed or covered up the addresses, vicious dogs, narrow clogged streets, rude and angry customers, porch pirates and cops that enjoy making our days harder, the weather and customers that don't clear their driveways or walkway. The list could go on and on. Most of us like our jobs and we strive to be the best we can be, the rude customer entitlement mentality takes its toll on us.

[@justyntyme114]

@@BT-dl8kq We are not allowed to carry or use mace. Four times I have been bit the customer was standing right there while I handed them the package. How about if you order things to be delivered you put the dog away or have package re-routed to a drop location where the customer can go pick it up.

[@invalidrequest]

It aint my fault that you "like" being treated like a piece of crap by your employer.

[@toriless]

I prefer FedEx, they care about residences more than UPS which is business based.

[@juanengelaar7069]

That is unbelievable. Here in Spain, no delivery is handed over without ID shown and signed for it.

[@runswithraptors]

Spain huh

[@josepherhardt164]

I would imagine that would create significant logistical bottlenecks. Some items require signature here, most don't.

[@LadyLenaki]

I've had porch pirates open packages and then leave the opened package at my door because it wasn't good enough. No one wanted cheap printer ink for an old printer, or my t-rex galaxy shirt. They left my stuff alone after that.

[@intorainbowzOG]

I want a t-rex galaxy shirt. I bet it looks cool.

[@sabinrawr]

@@intorainbowzOGSame. Thieves these days have no sense!

[@lawrencebraun7616]

I have never heard of that before 😮

[@toriless]

Too bad we all can not have a Mark Rober glitter bomb.

[@5ryane]

I live out in a rural farm district,my house is set back from the county road 300 feet so the drive way is long.Fed X and UPS both won't drive up to the house instead they drop packages off at the entrance to my drive way.I have been lucky so far and have had no one steal any packages.These two delivery companies do the same with my neighbor drop packages at the entrance to drive way.I wonder why when they used to a couple years ago did drive up to the house but not any more?

[@ryanyamashiro212]

It's the drive time.

[@Tormundisc00l]

As to the porch pirate not knowing what's in the package - they don't care. It costs nothing for them to steal a package, so it's worth it if it ends up being something valuable like electronics that can be pawned or sold online for money. If it ends up not being valuable, they just toss it and move on.

[@jagriffin1]

Steve, if someone’s dirty enough to steal off a porch then they REALLY need the soap.

[@additudeobx]

Properly displayed house numbers are especially important to, POLICE, FIRE DEPARTMENT, PARAMEDICS. Not just delivery guys.

[@RajaniIsa]

Worst thing about porch pirates are by-mail pharmacies. Especially for things like immunosuppressant meds.

[@lynnashley6247]

Would help if delivery people would press the door bell button located 2 feet above where they usually place packages.

[@jimschuler8830]

The worst thing about porch piracy is when they wind up stealing medications, which is why every instance should be treated as an attempt at manslaughter. We used to hang horse thieves.

[@tedhardulak7698]

We should still do this for car thieves. I had a Truck stolen that was 6 Mo.old with all my tools in it for my job. And I lost a lucrative contract to pull a piece of equipment daily for which I had the truck very modified. All together it costed me over $65,000 in 2 months back in 1980. I never thought of medications. That is very low. I live in a place now that this does not happen, but I would make "Special" packages for them. I dont know if you saw what Mark Roper did, but its great!!

[@tomo9126]

In public and make them hold what they stole as they swing and twitch.

[@rogerszmodis]

You expect the government to use that responsibly? They can’t even get it right with something with a big clearly obvious line like murder.

[@wallychambe1587]

😍😍😍

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Lol. Yes. The answer to crime is more laws with potentially serious consequences. That’s worked wonders, hasn’t it?

[@richleaves]

Anything electronic that has a battery always has a battery hazard icon label on the box. So that's a good giveaway that it might be something worth stealing to a crook.

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Isn’t that only for battery chemistries that are flammable like lithium based batteries?

[@wrongmouse1658]

@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 What do think is in most electronics now days that need batteries?

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

@@wrongmouse1658 Depends on the type of product but that’s besides the point. You said that anything electronic that has a battery always has a battery hazard icon. The reason that label exists is if the battery is highly flammable, not simply to tell someone there’s batteries inside.

[@jonathanj8303]

That and the insured value, which is visible to all kinds of folk between shipping and delivery, the need an 'inside man', but that gives a pretty accurate target list.

[@invalidrequest]

Those are also the good boxes at those resale shops. The one here didn't last long at all, maybe a few months.

[@jessetaylor7849]

Hey Steve, I just wanted to put my two cents in. When I worked at the USPS, the protocol was to ask for photo identification to verify the address or name of the person asking to receive the package.

[@toriless]

not now

[@kevindalby520]

Inside Edition did a story on a lady who had on an Amazon vest walked up to a door with a box, set it down, picked up a box then left. The homeowner did order something from Amazon, the box she left was empty.

[@recynd77]

We recently had a USPS truck ransacked while it was parked in my neighborhood. (I’m in coastal OC, CA; lots of catalytic converter thefts, but not a lot of crime generally.) Isn’t stealing mail a FEDERAL crime?

[@CrainialCommando]

Mail is a federal crime but fed-ex and ups are private companies.

[@tetedur377]

In the OC, no less. That used to be such a nice, Republican area.

[@jame3shook]

Stealing US Mail is.... Private courier (UPS, DHL, etc.) no - as I understand the applicable laws.

[@doncarlin9081]

​@@jame3shookI would imagine it could be federal id the courrier delivers packages across state lines.

[@saturn5mtw567]

​@@tetedur377idk how an area being republican makes it less likely to suffer package theft

[@David_K_pi]

We had a situation here a while back where an Amazon driver was stealing packages. Nobody suspected when she went up to a porch. She was even seen on a couple doorbell cameras, but she thought she could get away with it because she lives in the next state over and figured no one would recognize her. And then her picture went up on the news and all over social media. She was soon arrested.

[@toriless]

Steal what? You mean someone else delivers besides Amazon??

[@David_K_pi]

@@toriless - I think she was stealing packages left by other Amazon drivers.

[@capq57]

Thieves are more brazen by the day because they no longer fear any punishment. Even calling this case robbery won't matter, since there was no violence, no weapon involved, even if the culprit is found, (which isn't very likely) the prosecutor will offer a sweet plea bargain just to get it off their desk.

[@radicalrick9587]

*You know, Steve, I always expect to learn some form of legality from you, which is why I watch your channel. But the difference between a robbery and a thief - wow, that was something else.*

[@toriless]

Pro tip: Both are bad.

[@1996champs]

Unfortunately, even when caught the crooks are seldom punished. One of my brothers had caught someone red-handed with his security system and the police actually picked the guy up about a block from his house. Other than getting his stuff back, nothing apparently happened to the thief other than a few hours in custody.

[@waltg5165]

It takes a lot of confidence to do that.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

No matter how high or low value the package is, they can still sell it on the cheap through Facebook or shady discount websites for pure profit and there's nobody coming after them.

[@clxwncrxwn]

I always wondered why these stolen devices can't be tracked when registering the device. Like can't the serial numbers be flagged within apples system?

[@invalidrequest]

Speak any English?

[@rogerszmodis]

@@clxwncrxwnthey aren’t tracking serial numbers of the phones that get sent out to individual customers. One gets taken off the shelf and put in a box and an address label is put on.

[@richardunruh4035]

I lived in a not-so-nice area in Pontiac, MI. I put a sign on my front door "All deliveries back door please" with an arrow pointing to the back door. I made sure it was safe and uncluttered and that there was automatic lighting at night. No delivery people ever had a problem, and I never had a porch pirate problem (back door wasn't visible from the street). I once had a large flat screen TV mistakenly delivered to me. I called Fedex to tell them it was delivered to the wrong address. It took me several attempts to get them to understand I was not complaining about a non-delivery; I was telling them it wasn't mine and they needed to take it to the correct person. They were stunned. I later told neighbors (acquaintances, not friends) about it and they told me I was stupid because it was a "free" gift. Incredible. I have since moved to rural northern lower Michigan and have rediscovered what "civilization" really is: people that take care of each other instead of taking from each other.

[@copcuffs9973]

👍Integrity ✌️

[@richardunruh4035]

@@copcuffs9973 Thanks. I'm just trying to live up to my father's integrity.

[@LycanWitch]

One of the first things I did after a delivery driver delivered a package with a valuable item to a random neighbor's house a couple houses over that at the time I couldn't identify in the delivered photo (luckily the neighbor was honest and brought it over to my house the following day).. was I got up on a ladder to clean my house numbers (admittedly, they were filthy and noted down the type of bulb and replaced the then non-working bulbs of the house numbers with a much brighter LED bulbs (bright enough it actually illuminates the wall and ground a bit. I order a bunch of things online. Never had this issue ever again as I now have the cleanest, and brightest address numbers on the entire block, and if a delivery driver delivers to a wrong house, then it[s by their own negligence, rather than the hard to see numbers that I had and my neighbors seem to have too (same style address numbers and some too with burnt out bulbs).

[@toriless]

I just take it over the same day and ring the bell. Even during covid, just stood 6 feet away for a while before leaving.

[@Darbobski]

More and more people are turning to crime to survive. My city was considered solidly middle class twenty years ago, but today we are lower-middle with a lot of folks in poverty. Most jobs pay about the same as they did more than a decade ago, yet the cost of living has jumped. Criminals need to be caught and face repercussions, but lets not lose sight of why these things happen with ever increasing frequency. Crime pays in an economy that doesn't give many other ways out for certain people.

[@MaxPower-11]

It’s easy to find the video online. Crazy how brazen the guy was. This happened in Chesterfield County (suburban Richmond, Virginia).

[@jackhammer8563]

I'm glad I live where these problems don't occur.

[@sandrakeen4000]

In my previous house, we had packages miss delivered all the time because there was a South and north with the same street number about a block apart. The worst one was that an Omaha steaks delivery was sent and delivered on a day. I had surgery, so I was not at home. At least two weeks later the person who had sent it called to verify that I had gotten it, and no and either the people ate the steaks or they threw them out. I did leave a note on their door, but never heard from them.

[@toriless]

Hopefully eaten, I have had food deliveries ruined.

[@Reed-2big]

After being promised that we would get notified before our replacement CPAPs would be shipped and their estimated date of that happened was after our vacation. A short time into our vacation I got a notice that mine had been delivered and then my partners! I was even sent a pic of them on the porch. They survive the 10 days on the porch but it had been about 15 months since the recall that got these to us and had they been stolen who knows how much more time they would take. -- yes they were supposed to be signature required too!

[@toriless]

What they do is sign it themselves, I used to get wine delivered. They would always sign it themselves and leave it.

[@rickhobbs4875]

Since the driver, was robbed, would the delivery company be liable for the package, since it was not delivered/left at the address?

[@Quacks0]

4:59 My sister and I have both had experiences with horridly-sloppy package-delivery --- several times a parcel got delivered to the house across the road here (despite there being huge bold numbers on both my house and mailbox out front), and a couple packages once got delivered to a neighbor's porch about a quarter-mile away from my sister's residence!

[@toriless]

Probably Place not Street or SE not NE.

[@williamwallace9826]

If the package was taken from the driver's hands, then it hadn't been delivered. So FedEx is on the hook for replacement. If the package had been left on the porch (unless it required a signature), it would have been delivered and then it would fall on the homeowner's insurance.

[@BillZBubb]

Does FedEx acknowledge they were robbed and delivery was not complete? Or do they consider delivery made and the recipient was robbed?

[@vladildikan]

This is even worse than just robbery. This guy also interfered with the package reaching its destination while in the custody of the mail service. That wouldn't have been the case after the package had been dropped off.

[@Ghostwolf82]

Here in the UK it is standard procedure for Royal Mail to knock on the door and hand-deliver the parcel to the owner. If the owner isn’t in, they ask a neighbour of the owner to hold on to the package, then fill in a pre-made note that they fill in the details, stating they attempted delivery, when attempt was made, how many packages, and whom they were left with. That note then gets put through the mail slot in the owners front door. When owner gets home, they see the note and collect the package from the neighbour. If the neighbour try’s to claim they don’t have it, they have to explain what they did with it.

[@tactileslut]

That probably doesn't work in London anymore. I miss civilization.

[@Ghostwolf82]

@@tactileslut I wouldn’t know, tbh. I live in the South West, nowhere near London. You are potentially right though.☹️

[@Primalxbeast]

I've watched a lot of tarantula box opening videos. People will order a bunch of tarantulas of various species in one order, and they aren't all friendly species. I'd love to see the reaction of a porch pirate opening one of those boxes.

[@toriless]

Even worse than fart spray, but a liability if used on purpose.

[@donnapizzo9599]

I recently saw video where they opened lost or undeliverable mail packages one was a bunch of botox and other medical skin products that had a resale value over $16000. They were looking into whether it was legal for them to sell it

[@mikep490]

Who is "they"? If USPS, undeliverable is often returned to sender (postage may be due). 3rd class, ads, and bulk delivery is trashed. (Employees were prosecuted for removing pennies from scrapped ads back in the 80's.) The remaining goes to the MRC, which was often a bin for eventual identifying and storing. If not claimed, sometimes years later, some is recycled and the rest is destroyed or sold. Prescription meds would probably be destroyed since they'd expire or require a prescription. Occasionally valuable items are in letters and packages, thus the need to open. Our MRC found things like a passport, a will, illegal drugs and cash on rare occasions. Probably 99% was advertisements and packages valued at under $5.

[@andm6847]

Porch pirates have figured out that the label "caution lithium battery" is a dead giveaway for electronics that could be expensive and are easy to sell off.

[@DarkMatterBurrito]

I lived in Chesterfield County before moving to Texas. It's crazy that this happened there.

[@beverlyholland7111]

Im glad you are talking about this i complaint never. No response the packages at outdoor mailbox when i tell them place by my front door they never do like this at all

[@edale2]

...I really hate how many valuable things are just shipped in their retail packaging, with no attempt to hide what's inside...

[@toriless]

More easily damaged too, like when UPS broke my $600 to 800 aquarium. Just dropped it too much and broke the bottom.

[@GrumpyAustralian]

I've done home deliveries before and I've never trusted the street numbers. There was a suburb which had little rubber triangles in the middle of the road which had a florescent number indicating the house number on it.

[@invalidrequest]

Apartments complexes are the worst. When the buildings are numbered, you would think there would be some type of natural progression, but there's not.

[@BCNeil]

I few months ago I had a porch pirate steal a radiator hose for a 91 Mitsubishi. Worth $14. Wonder if he was ever able to sell it?

[@mikmik9034]

I saw a couple packages that said Handed to person on delivery, I have never had a package HANDED to me. I have had a couple packages missing, almost all HEAVY beverage shipments, FedEx?

[@doncarlin9081]

I'm so thankful where I live this is not a problem at all.

[@lolihitler4198]

dont suppose there are any noticeable absentees in you area's racial makeup?

[@danmyers2803]

Old houses can infact be on the wrong side of the street with the odd and even system. The reason is they predate the neighborhood and were assigned an adress based on a large property and when they sold the property a neighborhood gets built around them with more precise numbers and streets. There was even an old farmhouse in Tacoma on the wrong street altogether.

[@josepherhardt164]

My folks lived on one of those streets. The city eventually normalized the house addresses.

[@ericoyen1704]

Considering I live in a high crime area myself, I’ve started making use of Amazon‘s offer for the Amazon locker. I’ve also decided to shift all of my mail to the post office and a PO Box. It’s capable of handling parcel deliveries. Sure, it cost a bunch of money about every six months, but it’s well worth it for the additional security. Amazon does deliver to PO boxes as do many other vendors. So, if you have the ability to take advantage of greater security, (I’ll be at at slightly higher cost), do it. You’ll at least be assured that your package reaches its destination (which just happens to be your hands, and nobody else’s!).

[@jreeder6168]

The guy snatched the package before someone else could get it. life in America now.

[@nfcapps]

We had an Amazon driver bring a package to our house that was obviously stuck open by the address label, WAS OBVIOUSLY EMPTY (because the object has fallen out somewhere because it was stuck open,) put it on the porch, take a picture of it, send the message that it was delivered, and then drive away. Seriously? It was OBVIOUSLY EMPTY! It was one of those flat boxes open on both ends where you slide out the styrofoam piece in the middle that is surrounding the actual object you bought. So stupid.

[@sabinrawr]

The reason that people will happily pirate a porch without knowing the value of the item is because, most of the time, the risk is very very low. You framed it in terms of committing a crime, and in true lawyer fashion, you are technically correct. The converse is the adage, "It's only a crime if you get caught (and they can prove it)." I don't have the stats in front of me, so some of this may be anecdotal, though I strongly suspect that the numbers will bear out m y suppositions. Most porch piracy occurs in places where the victims cannot afford (or are not allowed to install) ring cameras. My home is one such place. But let's say that there are cameras and witnesses and all that. Then what? My $12 pack of razor blades got stolen. Or my $4 pack of blue paper, or some silly trinket that I barely remember ordering anyway. I have two options: Call Amazon, or call the police (or both, potentially). If I call Amazon, they will almost certainly refund or replace it and another one will be at my door in a day or two. If I call the police, they might eventually send out someone to take my report and take up another hour of my time (and theirs), but most likely it'll be a phone report and go sitting on a stack just in case they find a stash of packages with no owners or something. There is almost no forensic evidence available (except maybe camera footage, if you are that fortunate), and it's basically a cold case before it even starts. I once had a $350 package stolen from my porch, and called both Amazon and the police; Amazon required that I call the police first to get an incident number because of the value of the package. Amazon sent a replacement overnight, and the police sent the first available detective to take my statement and begin the investigation. Based on how I presented the story, you can guess which one arrived first. But the worst irony is what the package contained: a camera system that I had planned to install since my landlord wouldn't. The risk of going to jail correlates closely with the chance that the package is worth risking jail over. That's why this continues. And the cheap POS quality of my new camera is the reason I had to ask my employer for special consideration to have personal packages delivered there instead (normally against policy). As a result, I actually order significantly less delivery items than I otherwise would because I don't want to abuse the privilege my employer is extending to me. As an aside, all of my delivery instructions say to call my cell phone upon delivery, so I can retrieve it or have someone get it for me. While Amazon's grocery delivery is amazing about doing this, I have only once gotten the requested call from a Prime delivery or third-party, and that was because it was heavy and they needed a hand. Failures all the way up and down the chain. But I guess somehow it's financially worth it?

[@sabinrawr]

Another thing I thought about is that Amazon Lockers are a really good solution, if one can get past the vandalism issue, if a location happens to be convenient for you, and if your packages will fit in the allotted space. Same goes for UPS Store, FedEx Office, or whatever similar stores might be nearby.

[@DavidBall-v5i]

Sounds like a tip off of the delivery driver who knew what it was.....? Interesting coincidence.

[@additudeobx]

I was in Atlanta recently and was staying in a hotel on the outskirts of town. I was attending the "Americas Mart" in downtown Atlanta. I used GPS in the morning during semi rush hour and a construction zone. The GPS was rerouting me through every side road, by-pass, you name it. Total mess, what a mistake. I had a chance after more than 45 minutes to get back on the interstate. I turned GPS off.

[@MrArob826]

Steve, This sounds like an inside job. What I mean by that is that someone inside of the hub knew this was coming and told the one on the outside. Also Apple, Google and others have distinctive packaging. 😢😢😢

[@toriless]

Amazon always has their logo on the bag or tape.

[@PeterSedesse]

The USA needs to rework our criminal justice system. The problem now is petty crimes and shoplifting cost too much to prosecute and jails are too expensive to run. We need to just have work camps..you get caught doing stuff like porch piracy and you spend two weeks out in a camp doing manual labor with little supervision.

[@rockyroad7345]

Starting back in the 80s (way before Amazon, etc) I've had all packages delivered to my workplaces. I live in a rural area now and am fenced and gated. The drivers drop it behind the fence in a discreet place under some trees and it's very difficult to see from the road since it's set back pretty far. Never had a problem. If you have an issue with packages, get a post office box. I recently got one and plan to eventually take my mailbox down.

[@toriless]

Yeah, I got the package behind a plant at first, years later they do not bother since they do not disappear in my area.

[@jackkreighbaum783]

I had a Prime delivery and it was for the next-door neighbor. My package was delivered to her. Of course, the delivery notice showed a "package" delivered to me. Whew, sorted with her.

[@toriless]

What is really embarrassing is of you do not check first open it and then realize something it wrong. OOPS! Oh! That's not my name. Fortunately rare, but when you get several it can happen.

[@naturalPaths]

Oh, my gosh, I know Chesterfield County. I grew up in Prince George County. 🤦‍♀️

[@edg8535]

Criminals have just become more brazen. We always hear about the places in the country that are not bringing serious charges against them, so why should they worry.

[@justanoman6497]

A lot of places aren't really prosecuting low value crimes anymore, so... it's worth it in that if it's not valuable, there is no real "cost" to the crime even if you get caught. That said, that's mostly for theft, robbery might be better enforced but still...

[@erictaylor5462]

I once had someone steal parts for my prosthetic leg. These parts were worthless to anyone who did not have my style of prosthesis, and desperately needed by me. I doubt the person who stole my package even knew what the parts were. But I had to go longer without my leg because of it. People who steal from disabled people suck. Especially if they steal a disabled person's mobility device. I had my prosthetic leg stolen by a bully once He actually pulled it right off my body and ran away with it. We were both 15 or 16 at the time and I don't think he really considered it that serous of a crime. He changed his mind when he was arrested and convicted of felony assault and grand theft. Man was I pissed. His mother called me to chew me out, blaming me that her son was being charged with 2 felonies. My mother took the phone from me, and I can tell you, my mother hardly ever swore. She sore a lot at this woman.

[@jblyon2]

Steve, that poor man clearly needs that iPad to sell so he can afford the repairs on his white BMW

[@danlewis6157]

“Theft from a person” is grand theft in California. That’s like picking a pocket or grabbing a purse. “Robbery” is theft by force or fear, which includes overcoming resistance, threatening violence to the victim or a third party, etc.

[@SpotTheBorgCat]

There was a video of someone asking a porch pirate, "Why?", and showed him opening the packages at his residence. He answered, it's like Christmas, you don't know what you'll get.

[@Hatbox948]

Wow.

[@charleshines2142]

When I am expecting a package, I stay alert for the delivery truck if I am at home. Or I will do a quick walk around to find it if I was not there (to see if it is even there yet). I live in a mostly rural area where porch piracy is not common and I am not sure if it happened to anyone near me. Our drive ways can be at least 300 feet long and some of them make an S pattern through the woods. That is a wonderful way to prevent people driving by from trying to snoop on you because they can't without trespassing onto your property. Walking to the end of mine takes at least 2 or 3 minutes (I walk quickly not run). That is just to check the mail (roadside mail boxes).

[@irishamerican4558]

People will steal your shit, literally. Driving an 18 wheeler, I placed a bag of shit on my step right outside the door & went back to sleep. When I woke up, it was gone. I always wished I could have seen the look on their face.

[@Twobarpsi]

Poop pirates...

[@foxtayle446]

As a delivery driver myself, I'm surprised this hasn't happened a lot more given the current state of criminality in the US. They are robbing stores like nothing, next step delivery drivers or whole vans full of packages. I could easily see a flash mob do this. Unfortunately drivers are disarmed just like the schools are, they have no protection other than locking themselves in the vehicle. Just have to hope the mob doesn't have any weapons.

[@goldenhate6649]

To be fair, that's mostly commiefornia who has decided to just not prosecute criminals because thats harder than just prosecuting those who defend themselves from criminals

[@Darbobski]

Why would a delivery driver be expected to protect packages with their lives?

[@saturn5mtw567]

This just reads like fantasizing about shooting a crowd lmao

[@CrainialCommando]

I used to be part of a flash mob but we just danced at airports and train stations.....

[@foxtayle446]

@@Darbobski Who the hell implied that? Maybe you should say that to the families of store clerks that were killed for no reason at all after complying. 😕

[@heymakerphd1982]

If I were the delivery driver, I'd establish a contact with detectives, call them if I saw that someone was trailing me. What a beautiful arrest!! If the cops don't get 'em, I'm still delivering like I would otherwise. Once you got a system going, you could clean up a lot of petty crime!!

[@Sanguillen39ify]

I learn more about the law on this channel than any other. Thank you Mr. Lehto.

[@0_44_4]

John you giving to much credit to those people to think about getting a box of soap..

[@charlesdavis5689]

I seen the video somewhere on social media. I never knew it was from my county let alone wasn’t that long ago this occurred.

[@josephfredbill]

What is the legal position on whether it has been delivered or not. Im guessing that if stolen from the driver’s hand it would count as not delivered so Amazon or Apple etc. would take the hit but if stolen from the door or porch it would count as delvered and therefore stolen from the customer’s property so the customer would take the hit? If so this would be pretty miserable for the customer, particularly since deliveries are not always made when they are supposed to be made and the customer might not be in - ie. at what point does delvery count as being made ? I had one expensive item delivery arrive and the box was empty (there may have been a pen or some cheap item in it - I forget). Although I had ordered it for a specific event I had to wait weeks and weeks for Amazon to supply a replacement and I had to badger them to do so - the reason they gave me afterwards was that they always have to investigate such cases thoroughy. Since then I always make a video of my opening any expensive item just in case.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Ooh! Let me guess. "We can't help you, this is a civil matter."

[@landshass2849]

In Philadelphia, they crack the box open and go through it to pick and choose. And less risky since the items inside are not addressed.

[@NorCalDA9]

The world has changed. I seen a couple teens try to take packages from a ups truck while the driver was dropping a package off.

[@OneHndClapin]

Once had a packaged "delivered" and it never showed up. Called UPS and they said it was delivered to the front desk. Had to tell them it was a residence and didn't have a front desk. Got my package the next day.

[@franciscampagna2711]

"i live here." Grabs package jumps into nearby car and drives away. Disconnect there?

[@kryptographik]

Maybe he's late to an appointment.

[@erictaylor5462]

6:30 Not necessarily. It's probable your neighbors know your name. They see a package being delivered to your house and say, "Are you looking for Steve Lehto?" Your only hope then is that the driver has seen your channel.

[@Ratharian]

This is why i love "surprise" packages. Like open it and a co2 canister decompresses and flings liquidated dog poo dozens of feet in every direction. Do that a few times and the thieves will stop. Wont be worth it to get a face full of doggy do, along with every surface of your house or car. And dont just out them on yiur own porch, go to your neighbors and randomly place them around the hood. Make sure yiu use different sizes and brands to keep them guessing. Cops say anything, its an easy defence. If they didnt steal it, would have never happened. No one forced rhe idiots to steal a 3 lbs box of liquid crap sitting in the open., and you didnt send it to anyone else.

[@rogerszmodis]

The cops can say anything they want. A judge will say you can’t leave a bomb filled with dog shit on your lawn. That case will be independent of the guy who set it off.

[@Ratharian]

@@rogerszmodis if a shotgun shell detonation didn't get anyone in trouble, a glorified water Ballon sure won't.

[@TJH11638]

I had a FEDEX driver try to deliver several large packages to my address. I live on the corner with an even number on a named street, and the packages were for an odd number on a numbered street on the side of my house. I have a 5 digit address and the packages were for a 3 digit address. I explained that even numbers are on the west and north and odd numbers are on the east and south. She seemed clueless.

[@jblyon2]

That's better than our typical FedEx drivers. They just drive past at full speed and put 'business closed' on tracking. Yes, even if it's a residential address. The line to pick up packages from the nearest facility is MASSIVE because of how many never get delivered. Work used to insist we do all our shipping with FedEx because they're one of our biggest clients...yeah, we don't use them anymore, ever!

[@ecay]

I've gone up to delivery people and even the mail and they required me to show proof that I have access to the mailbox or I live there by either showing ID or presenting a key that opens a door. Something like that but I've had others that just okay handed it to me and drove off and I've had a couple that refused to give it to me and just dropped it off at the mail or at the door and walked away and I've also had the ones that never showed up and then said it was delivered

[@toriless]

Usually, I am unloading the car out front when I get handed one.

[@SiliconSlyWolf]

A bunch of people who do things like theft and robbery are not always the smartest bunch. Just the past day, I saw news of a guy who stole something like 60 copies of an unreleased game from a warehouse, attempted to sell them still before official release, filled all the evidence necessary to self incriminate publicly, put it online, obviously ended up getting raided by the police, who then found drugs and a gun reported stolen.

[@ithinkaboutthings9052]

Obviously, lawmakers need to make more laws. The criminals, lunatics, thieves, drunk drivers, speeders, etc aren’t obeying the old laws.

[@frotoe9289]

I was pulling the car out of the garage one day when the Amazon guy showed up. I stopped and got out to take the package and he explained "no, I have to take it and leave it at the front door". Zoink?! Whatever. I followed him to the front porch, he dropped it, I picked it up and walked back to the car.

[@lawrencebraun7616]

I have walked up on the driver's The driver can not hand me the package. They need a picture of the package on the porch