'Pagan influences' on the Christian Gospels & Paul

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[@STIGGARRIUS]

By God, I so much wish to become his student. May The Almighty grant you both highest levels of Paradise. Ameen!

[@STIGGARRIUS]

@@srnp0007 okay. One day we shall all die and on the very second the soul leaves the body, we shall see who was right and who was wrong

[@AkramSaheb]

@Shuayb Ahmed he's on Crack bruh lol 😆 😂 🤣

[@hawkwatch7052]

@@srnp0007 can you prove your claim??

Aamiin Allohumma Aamiin 👐 ❤️fm 🇲🇨

[@hebrewenglishbibleread9941]

The capacity to talk Christian theology and quote NT writings in the original Greek to illustrate your point should be the standard. Thank you Dr. Ataie.

[@AnswerEasy]

I hope this goes viral. Cursed be the liars who distorted the true message of Jesus the Messiah..Thank God for the purity of Islam. La ilaha IllAllah.

[@kronos01ful]

Lol...the purity of Islam? Islam comes from pagan religion.

[@AnswerEasy]

@@kronos01ful You wish. You're just triggered because your religion is false. Trust me man, truth is more valuable than cultural allegiances. Leave Christianity and follow Jesus as Man, Messenger and Messiah. Peace be upon him and all prophets until The Seal of Prophets Muhammad.

[@kronos01ful]

@@AnswerEasylet's play islam trivia games let's called this game ,WHO IS THE LIAR!!! Ok ,so let's begin Question #1 Who name Muhammed a prophet ? A.Yahweh ! the true God of scripture B.Allah ! The made up god by Muhammed C.tThe angel demon in a cave D. Muhammed himself E. His wife D. By reading and studying scripture with a jew and a Christian So pick your answer!!!!! And the answer is : __________.?

[@nanashi2146]

@@kronos01ful "the true God of scripture" Which scripture?

[@krishar4014]

@@nanashi2146 Dont respond him bro. Let him thirsty

[@speakerscornerislamicdawah3947]

Very interesting snippet Paul. Recently read a piece by Justin martre stating his theology is nothing new when addressing the Roman emperor and his pagan beliefs.

[@random9350]

Christians who use that particular narration from Ibn Ishaq now will have to rethink twice before resorting to the "satanic verses" tactic.

[@DheerajNavin-ln5wn]

It is an authentic and reputed Islamic source to quote.

[@ismaildad9727]

Dr Ali Ataie is by far the best guest on this channel (and there have been many I would like to see again) so please keep inviting him back. Keep up the good brothers. Allah reward your efforts. Ameen 🤲🏾

[@justagymcell2373]

Doing noble work brother Paul may allah bless you and keep you safe ❤️

[@fidelcatsro6948]

ameen

[@mohammadmikail8962]

I don't understand why some people still call Christianity a Abarahamic ,monethestic religion I mean they literary worship a human , His statue !

[@benharis1956]

It's paganism, Chrismas & Easter are derived from it.

[@sanamt4945]

Mashallah Dr. Ataei's knowledge is to indepth. May Allah bless him for putting all this effort into understanding these scriptures, which is a rarity in our Muslim community.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

ameen

[@YassinELSHAER]

Paul Williams is a genuine hero, may Allah bless you

[@harriskhan7671]

good useful information given by Dr ataie.

[@ahwehbe6070]

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

[@MuhaRAW]

"Somehow they were able to pull it off" brother Paul inserts pun "or not" 🤣 The vid is very informative and we are waiting for another one and another and another one with brother Ali. May Allah SWT reward your efforts ameen.

[@uniuni8855]

We definitely need part two.

[@krishar4014]

Signs that Christian influence by primitive paganism: 1. Portraying God form as human like ancient god and goddess 2. Simbolizing god with statue 3. God need human as sacrifices 4. God come down to earth 5. God have gender 6. Worshiper wearing or tattoing their body with symbol as identity or amulet (the cross) 7. God have family, wife and son 8. Trance or histerical in some ritual 9. Faith base on limited brain but unlimited imagination (e.g in the chat reply below)

[@kevinohiggins3868]

1. He literally was a human, Jesus 2. cry about it 3. No he doesn't 4. Yes he did 5. I assume Allah is referred to as He in the Quran but whatever 6. What does this even mean? It's so broad. Christians do not tattoo themselves or wear crosses, some people just do it of their own accord 7. For God to be a human he has to at least have a mother, God never married and yes Jesus is the Son of God

[@jasonharris351]

@@kevinohiggins3868 Son of God🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ the only reason you believe that is because that's what you're church tells you, How many people are named Son of God in the Bible? Its a known Jewish saying that gives high status to a person its never been used literally but for some reason you make the exception for Jesus.

[@rashidaquil5284]

@@jasonharris351 This not Jesus's teaching as he was not a Christian

[@jasonharris351]

@Jesus Christ Is Lord Christians scholars admit & know the scripture has been corrupted for simple reasons. 1. Contradicting accounts. 2. Verses being taken out from some sects and verses being added in other christian sects. 3. Going through various translations. Jesus PBUH ofcourse always agreed with the other the Prophets as he should just like how God is one, and how only God "The Father" knows the hour and how he prayed, just as the Prophet Muhammed PBUH did.

[@jasonharris351]

@Jesus Christ Is Lord how old was jehoichan when he became king?

[@peterrabbit1054]

Great show!! Dr Atai makes the complex simple 👍👍

[@ShielaPontalbaVlogs]

I always love to listened to Dr.Ataie

[@unitedafrica5844]

يا رب وفقنا لما تحبه وترضاه

[@ckotty]

Great "extract" that helps me to better understand Helenistic influence on that period, and of course on Paul and the Gospels... 👍🏽😘

[@islamadam8502]

"I wanna make a request of the audience: to study middle and neo-Platonism and you will come to know the true origins of the trinity." Actually Father Copleston pointed to the importance neo-Platonism for Christian thought in the preface of his magnum opus "History of philosophy", I'm not saying that he agreed with trinity being a pagan creed but that he mentioned the historical importance of neo-Platonism for Christian thought in a work made basically to introduce Western philosophy to Catholic students.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Great narration of quote!

[@thretman5302]

The cult of mythraism had a profound impact on christianity.

[@rwsquiresjr64]

In the video they agree that the middle and neo-Platonic influence on the New Testament and later Christian theology is "mainstream" (i.e. well-known) stuff. Anyone who studies the issues realizes that that, since it's plain to see...which is why Dr. Ali Ataie encouraged people to study it. Catholics have "answers" that they use in regards to pagan influence on their religion, but one has to consider these alleged "answers" in light of pure monotheism, not nominal monotheism.

[@carefullychristian8657]

I request audience to resesrch on islam and arab paganism from yemen and islam and manichesnism of 3rd century AD See how islam is pure paganism based on hadith Plaugerised stuff

[@thepathtopeace7833]

جزاك الله خيرا ورزقك الفردوس الأعلى

[@fredie.cayed.m]

I've been discussing the same subject today with one of my non Muslim friend who is a teacher and a writer. I've heard from Ahmad Deedat how Paul changed it all and the truth is that the Christians are fallowing the Paul instead of Jesus Christ. Call it ignorance but that's no excuse.

[@DheerajNavin-ln5wn]

Paul's writings are integral part of the Bible and should be taken as a whole to understand the theology of Christianity.

[@mdshagor7762]

Dr Ali knowledge just awesome 😍

[@herbcandlearchive]

Your most truthful and controversial videos on Blogging Theology are always the ones with the least views.. I will make sure to share them and spread the absolute truth. Thank you for your immaculate knowledge and effort. May Allah bless you.

[@abdulmajeedalotaibi2251]

Mashallah brother Paul, you have a attribute that I truly love about you ( the Adab of listening and interrupting) . Something we miss with our moderators these days. My Allah reward your good deeds.

[@rimacalid6557]

This lecture is very important

[@asif8224]

Very informative thanks ✌️

[@Addakhel]

This is just fabulous!

[@brianlucena]

Very informative

[@ExploreTanakh84]

I've been bringing up Philo of Alexandria for the past year and the Trinitarians hate it. They get very uncomfortable when you show them. Especially the Catholics. I get called a liar, heretic etc..

[@Watermelon-dj8be]

You’re Unitarian right why don’t you explain proverbs 30:4 which talks about two persons of God

[@ExploreTanakh84]

@@Watermelon-dj8be no it doesnt. Don't lie.

[@ExploreTanakh84]

@@Watermelon-dj8be I use to be a Trinitarian and I am well read on this stuff. I don't blame you for misrepresenting the Bible. That is what you have been taught.

[@Watermelon-dj8be]

@@ExploreTanakh84 proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up(A) to heaven and come down? Whose hands(B) have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters(C) in a cloak?(D) Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name,(E) and what is the name of his son? Surely you know! So if Jesus is a just prophet then explain John 17:5 and why did God said let us make man in our own image and who created body from dust and who breathed into Adams nostrils and what is hovering over the earth in genesis 1:2.

[@ExploreTanakh84]

@@Watermelon-dj8be what has that got to do with the video?

[@akhtarmehjabeen]

Very informative…

[@maryamal-haddad4904]

Salty Christians in the comment section

[@Revolt_west]

Yes😁

[@danialassyrian4867]

ناقصة دين وعقل 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@manist721]

Look in the comment section Christians are losing their "tolerance " . Brother please spit more facts 🤣🤣🤣

[@botteya11]

Great Dr Atai is amazing... Mr Paul could you please invite Dr Jonathan Brown to talk about hadith scholarship... Or Dr Yasser qhadi to talk about salafism

[@nothingbutthetruth1972]

Paul my brother, i see your struggle. I struggle the same way after a 12 hour night shift 🙃.

[@cameronpierce9426]

Interesting piece; I haven't come across Dr. Ataie's name before, but he's clearly well-versed in the texts & contexts of ancient near eastern religions, including Christianity. I would only observe that the history of theology (*any* religion's theology) is marked by philosophico-theological syntheses of various kinds. And of course, one of the most popular and famous of these for Christianity was the (neo)Platonic synthesis: (neo)Platonism was (still is) regarded as a rich metaphysical framework for complementing and supplementing originary resources for 'doing theology.' Not to be missed amongst the patristic figures mentioned here is Augustine, who explicitly relates in Book VII of the Confessions all that he learned from the Platonists, and what he did *not* learn from the Platonists--namely, the Word made flesh (Incarnation). As he adds in Book II, 'when the Israelites left Egypt, they took their gold and silver [from idols]': in other words, 'all truth is God's truth' (Holmes). This implies an openness regarding sources of revelation, and the possibility that God might speak from any, even absurd, source. Another version of this perspective is found in fulfilment theology. The point, in this line of thinking, is that no finite narration or formulation can exhaustively fix and isolate truth in its infinite pleroma--supposing, following Plotinus, that truth (or Being) is a fountain flowing in ceaseless surplus--so that the Story must be told and re-told and re-told again, using a variety of frameworks. In fact, while 'syncretism' has a pejorative connotation, everything here below is syncretistic. Whether one turns to Bergson or Saussure, Gadamer or Taylor, human consciousness is always already historically effected--not least through linguistic forms that we inherit, and that help 'make' our world. Again, to wax Gadamerian, there are always two interpretive horizons: there's no God's-eye view (read: a view from nowhere), no (re)presentation of truth that isn't bathed in linguistic, cultural, and historical forms. In the beginning was hermeneutics, as Derrida said--and he could have said the same of syncretism: it's everywhere. The question is therefore not whether syncretism (or constructively put: synthesis, the new fusion of horizons), but where, why, and how syncretism--and how the truth may supervene or emerge in this context (and how it may be adjudicated/tested). All religions are susceptible to this question--Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and aught else. Show me a religious text; I'll show you intertexts & references, cultural allusions, local idioms and linguistic constitutions.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

"he's clearly well-versed in the texts & contexts of ancient near eastern religions, including Christianity." ? I know of nobody who is better versed than him! And better than Paul Williams to handle such a giant in this field! Islam is not a "religion", but THE WAY TO THE SOURCE! BAFS

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Dr Ataie dissects Paul, the Roman bounty hunter with precision._*

[@umarandria4067]

What a GREAT TALK! Brother Paul needs coffee so bad 😂

[@Miriam-qh1so]

I am thankful for Islam clearly, firmly and impactfully stating: "There is no god but God". Only one God. No triune Godhead with related mass confusion, no idolatry, no compromise on the "oneness" of God. Pagan influences in Christianity, specifically authored by St Paul, has only distorted and destroyed most of Jesus' true message of monotheism and his role as a prophet.

[@anonymoususer8286]

There is no god but god is not a good translation of the creed. The best translation in my opinion is “there is none WORTHY OF WORSHIP except Allah”

[@Watermelon-dj8be]

Well then the Jewish God literally says that he’s gonna destroy Israel’s enemies aka Islam😂😂😂. If you want to know the truth I can show you just by giving orthodox Jewish rabbis who hates Jesus. Zechariah 14:2 is your destruction even if you can’t digest

[@Toronado2]

@@Watermelon-dj8be This coming from a man who believes their Gods are a LINGUM and YONI.😆😅🤣😂

[@Doctor_Raad]

Paul , what's your view on the Gospel of Barnabas? The philosophical ideas there , in addition to the details in the narratives of some of the incidents there ,are not found in any other Gospel , gives it a degree of authenticity in my humble opinion. The conversation back and forth between Abraham as a kid with his father is one of the best philosophical debates , containing ideas not even found in Quran. I ask you to cover this subject if you can , and not allow the christian view of it as a fake discourage you.

[@system4862]

we have 3 versions of Gospel of Barnabas right now.. -the spanish version that was discovered in spain, written around 15th century - the Italian version that was discovered in Rome, written around 15th century - the turkish version, that was discovered in Turkey and was wriitten around 400-500 AD which is within the allegedly original copy of the bible. based on the info above, the 2 later version ie. the italian and spanish were obviously copies of the original texts from the turkish version.. some says that the 2 later versions were works of forgery by a monk that is familiar with islamic and christian theology. If the 2 later versions are found to be similar with the one that is on Turkey which is 1500 yrs old, then these 2 later versions are not works of a forger but written by monks that are well versed about the original copy of the gospel of barnabas, on 15th century. Another point, some believes that the 2 later versions were written by muslims that wanted to unify christianity and Islam...but this is not the case because how can a muslim knew about invent something that even the Rasulullah didn't told us about? so thank you brother for this comment.

[@Doctor_Raad]

@@system4862 thank you for the information you provided.

[@cozakokotano6448]

​@@system4862 thanks for the info.

[@sareez100]

Subhanallah we’re knowledgeable man 🤲

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

I know of nobody who is better versed than Dr. Ali Ataie in this domain! And better than Paul Williams to handle such a giant! BAFS!

[@cure4islamophilia580]

Paganism traditionally encompasses beliefs and societal practices of pre- and non-christian cultures in and around the ancient world; including those of the greco-roman, celtic, germanic, and slavic tribes. In particular, the term pagan was and is used in a pejorative sense of infidel and heretic, as christian counterparts to goy in judaism, and kafir or mushrik in islam. Modern expressions of paganism and folklores extend the initial meaning given by early christians to similar religious traditions stretching far into prehistory. What about islam ?

[@AnalyseThat]

This guy really understands the roots of Christology - impressive. Paul, you've doing a great job but please look after your health - you looked a bit tired in this clip. 😴

[@MsJfraser]

Much talk has been made about Paul of Tarsus. He was a Jew born as a Roman citizen learning a tent maker's trade. He was a Pharisee schooled in Mosaic Law and a bit of a zealot. His Jewish name was Saul. Christianity was originally known as "The Way" and the followers of Jesus were not called Christians. Despite its gaining influence, many were against The Way, including Saul. He was determined to put down this new faith even if it mean death to its followers. His first mention is in the stoning of Stephen which Saul orchestrated. He was on his way to Damascus to arrest other followers when a significant event occurred which completely changed his life and the adoption of his Roman name. Any guesses?

[@letmetalk2240]

>>>> He was on his way to Damascus to arrest other followers when a significant event occurred which completely changed his life and the adoption of his Roman name. Any guesses? -------------- Did Jesus foretell this incidence to his disciples while he was still alive? Did Jesus name Paul as one of is faithful disciple?

[@MsJfraser]

@@letmetalk2240 Possibly, but unlikely not everything Jesus said and did is recorded. Ananias was instructed in a vision to attend and treat Saul as chosen to preach.

[@dinorossi6611]

Is Dr. Ali an Amriki Persian?

[@ihab505]

@ 22:00 Luncheon meat, they had to run every time they saw a dog! :D

[@iswallbanoo9843]

Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johnessburg pray 5 times a day

[@Revolt_west]

☝🏼

[@rraji866]

When i clicked the vlog then shows up Israel awakens to gospel on your upper right corner.. It shows that they are do everything they can even if they must pay google for the ads to put their advertisment on Muslim channel..

[@godhasgivenussalvationinth5223]

paul quoted pagan poets for his theology: reference given act 17:28 For in him we live and move and have our being.’[b] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring (PAUL DOES NOT USE THIS FOR HIS THEOLOGY HE JUST QUOTE A PAGAN POETS WHILE TALKING TO PAGANS). For 1 corinthians 15:33 paul is taing to pagans so he uses poets they know about. paul doesn't use thoses quotation for his doctrine he just uses thoses quotations because he is talking to pagans that are familiar about thoses poets.

[@thinkislamcheckmychannel]

Paul was a massive conman. There is NO evidence that God approves of Paul. His accounts contradict and the true apostles didnt trust him.

[@ibraheemg525]

My man did not watch the video otherwise he wouldn't have posted this lol

[@youtubeaccount3230]

@@yasminenazarine1629 their God commanded the killing of babies 1 samuel 15:3 disgusting

[@youtubeaccount3230]

@Jesus Christ Is Lord funny how u skip the next verse how about read it then understand the context, its called the pagan arab, even the in English it’s translated as polytheists which they were in Arabic u would know who it is talking about on top the next verse how about read it

[@youtubeaccount3230]

@Jesus Christ Is Lord the fact it says if they repent, funny in the OT when killing the midinites commandment by moses doesn’t say anything about repent does it

[@talhaghafoor9168]

Jesus (pbuh) was born from mother's womb (luke 2:7) Jesus (pbuh) ate food. (Luke 24:43) Jesus (pbuh) was circumsized on the 8th day after his birth (luke 2:21) Jesus (pbuh) prayed to God. (Mathew 27:46) Jesus (pbuh) was not all knowing. (Mark 13:32) Jesus (pbuh) was tired (john 4:6) Jesus (pbuh) slept (mark 4:38) Jesus (pbuh) must had to go to toilets. Jesus (pbuh) never said with his own mouth i m god or worship me in whole bible

[@harriskhan7671]

jazakAllahhukhair brother can I copy these sentences ??? .

[@talhaghafoor9168]

@@harriskhan7671 Yes sure.

[@harriskhan7671]

@@talhaghafoor9168 jazakAllahhukhair brother i will add it in this of which i usually send it to christens in sha Allah ............... A fascinating dialogue between a muslim and a christian Muslim : Who is God? Christian : Jesus Muslim : Is Jesus the son of Mary. Christian : Yes Muslim : Who created Mary? Christian : God. Muslim : Who is God? Christian: Jesus Muslim : Jesus is a servant of God. Christian : Yes Muslim : Jesus died on the cross? Christian : Yes Muslim : Who resurrected him? Christian : God. Muslim : Is Jesus a messenger. Christian : Yes Muslim : Who sent him? Christian : God. Muslim : Who is God? Christian : Jesus. Muslim: Did Jesus worship while on earth. Christian: Yes Muslim: Whom did he worship? Christian: God. Muslim : Who is God? Christian : Jesus. Muslim : Did God have a beginning? Christian : No Muslim: Then who was born on 25/DEC? Christian : Jesus. Muslim : Is Jesus God. Christian : Yes Muslim : Where's God? Christian : In Heaven. Muslim : How many Gods are there in heaven? Christian : Only one God. Muslim : Where's Jesus? Christian : He is seated on the right hand of his father. Muslim : Then how many are they in heaven? Christian : Only one God. Muslim : Then how many seats? Christian : One Muslim : Where's Jesus? Christian: Seated next to God. Muslim : How are they seated on one chair? Christian : It's only understood by those with the Ghost. You need Ghost my friend. Allah clearly tells us in Qu'ran :- "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth.The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say,"Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son.To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." - Surah An-Nisa [4:171] Bible says :- “... God is not the author of confusion ...” (Corinthians 14:33 )."God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?." (Numbers (23:19) King James Version (KJV) According to the plan prepared by god, god brought down god. god remained for nine months in the womb of a creature created by god. god made her pregnant to give birth to god, a baby god. After the birth of baby-god, we circumcised baby-god. And when baby-god became great god, god's creatures wanted to kill god, but god prayed to god to save god but god is going to abandon god despite god pleading insistently to god but god left god alone to be slaughtered by god's creatures under god's gaze and all to save the creatures from god including the men of the church who rape children in god's churches, hallelujah!.

[@talhaghafoor9168]

@@harriskhan7671 okk thats good. I have alot material on this topic. You can copy that also. According to bible Jesus (pbuh) was lower than angels for sometime (heb 2:9). How can God be lower than angels for sometime ? Jesus (pbuh) washed his disciples feet (john 13:5-6). How can God wash human feet ? Jesus (pbuh) said i can of my own self do nothing (john 5:30). How can God say i can of my own self do nothing. Jesus prayed and called to God helplessly (mathew 27:46). How can one God pray to another God helplessly ? And who is real God amongst these two ?

[@harriskhan7671]

@@talhaghafoor9168 ok I will copy but can you please carefully check my dialog with Christian there may be some mistakes in it. or the bible reference which I have given are they accurate ???.or you can update it for me

[@Hacker-fh1ft]

AMEN MAY MORE SOUL D FIND ALLAH BEFORE IT TO LATE WE NEED TO STAY AWAKE AT ALL TIME PRAYING THAT WE MAY HAVE STRENGHT TO ESCAPE ALL THESES THINGS THAT ARE GONNA TAKE PLACE AND STAND BEFORE OUR LORD ALLAH AMEN 🙏

[@user-yn7ge7bx2m]

The only problem here between these to individuals are. None of them go to biblical scripture to address their conversion and prove what written in the word. Pull up scripture to support what you both are saying. HaShem Bless you all.

[@dune2024]

the libertine connection: pantera & the flavius politicians

[@herbcandlearchive]

God!!! I despise Paul more and more everyday. It's just so saddening to see how our prophet's message was corrupted in such terrible ways. God..

[@DheerajNavin-ln5wn]

Corinthians 13 New International Version 13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. One of writings of Paul.

[@mdc8698]

"He quoted pagan poets to support his Christology. This is something Christian apologists don't like to talk about. . . ." Lol. I think Ataie needs to imbibe a dose of Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist' to disabuse him of any notion that the apostle Paul's religion was an amalgamation of Hellenistic and Jewish thought!

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

I was thinking of getting that book because it relates to the whole 'mythicism' debate. Does he also talk about St. Paul in it?

[@mdc8698]

@@ConsideringPhlebas Short answer: yes. Chapter Seven of Ehrman's book is titled "Mythicist Inventions: Creating the Mythical Christ" refuting much of what Ataie affirms (i.e. Dying Rising God based on Pagan Myths). His conclusion: there are sound reasons why the twain (Hellenism/Judaism) shall never mix.

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

@@mdc8698 Nice. Yeah, the 'dying and rising god' stuff is usually not taken seriously nowadays. There's no demonstrable historical connection of such ideas to Paul and there are more parsimonious explanations for his beliefs. Ataie here seems more interested in peddling inane, dated polemics than engaging in genuine scholarship.

[@moosa86]

It’s so sad to read through the comments and see so many self professing Believers disparage one another and use something as beautiful as God’s divine guidance (scripture) as the cause for such ugly insults... 🤦🏻‍♂️ Both Christianity and Islam teaches its adherents to bear patience, have forbearance, and exhibit exemplary manners. --------------------------------- Titus 3:1-2 "[1] Remind them to be subject to the rulers and to the authorities, to obey, to be prepared for every good work, [2] to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all courtesy to all people." Q25:63 "The ˹true˺ servants of the Most Compassionate are those who walk on the earth humbly, and when the foolish address them ˹improperly˺, they only respond with peace." Q16:125 "Invite ˹all˺ to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and kind advice, and only debate with them in the best manner. Surely your Lord ˹alone˺ knows best who has strayed from His Way and who is ˹rightly˺ guided." Let’s be better people!!

[@harissohail8122]

8:10

[@ambivalentrants]

Love your channel Paul but just way too many ads. Too many ads on each and every single video of yours. It’s really a turn off.

[@nycnow811]

1 million percent! Its so blatantly obvious

[@hanifsoul]

2:18 please examine how about Jewish professor benjamin sommer said three manifestations in Christian not rooted from pagan, can be rooted from monotheistic Tanakh. it's still a red herring? I'm Muslim, just curiosity

[@DheerajNavin-ln5wn]

Ruhallah,Kalmautullah, zakiyya, nearest to God. Creator of life, blessed in every sense. Satan could not touch him--Jesus (Isa).

[@DheerajNavin-ln5wn]

If the gospel of John is corrupted why are you seeking a prophecy about Mohammad therein?

[@instrumentengineer5823]

But if you were to obey most of those on Earth, they would make you stray from the way of God. THEY FOLLOW NOTHING BUT ASSUMPTIONS, and they do nothing but make conjectures(Opinion based on incomplete information) Qur'an Majeed 6.116

[@andanandan6061]

In other verses say : - Both marry and Jesus (peace and blessing Upon them) used to eat food (For a man who think, this must trigger their sense that how can He/She worship human that eat food and go to toilet just like the rest of us) - Similarity of Jesus is like Adam. God Created him from dead matter i.e dust/clay easily then it was not so difficult for God to create Jesus without father. If Jesus was God because He was born without human father, then Adam must be a greater God bcz He didn't have both. But somehow Christianity didn't apply this standard to Adam.

[@michaelbernard7402]

Michael, the angel, descended and took Levi, and brought him up before the Throne of Glory, and he spake before Him: Sovereign of all || the universe ! This is Thy lot, and the portion of Thy works. And He put forth His right hand and blessed him, that the sons of Levi should minister on earth before Him, like the ministering angels in heaven. Michael spake before the Holy One, blessed be He: Sovereign of all worlds ! Do not such who serve the king have provision of their food given to them? Therefore He gave to the sons of Levi all holy things which accrue to His Name, as it is said,Therefore He gave to the sons of Levi all holy things which accrue to His Name, as it is said, "They shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and his inheritance" (Deut. 18:1). Deuteronomy 18 King James Version 18 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and his inheritance. 2 Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren: the Lord is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.

[@U.W.Y.H.L.]

I’m Muslim, and love all Dawah brothers and sisters but this is truly insane how the entirety of the Muslim world never deals with the fact that pretty much everything discussed in this video and beyond;especially when discussing the highly “watered down” versions of Theology in the Bible are never tied to their Sumerian origins which now that humanity has deciphered cuneiform texts they shed an astonishingly superior light on the reality of our ancient history and how humanity has been corrupted into believing in Paganish type things in the first place! Contrary to all Dawah in the media thus far, Muslims should be well aware from Quranic verses alone that our theological history starts well before 3000yrs ago, but Muslims are stuck in a perpetual loop of only debating about some stories about heretical and blasphemous individuals opinions about God or god mainly in the Bible! How can Muslims above all, be soo ignorant as to totally overlook the fact that what Jews and Christians call God, Son or Sons of God and even some Muslim names or titles for Allah Almighty have their origins in Sumerian history? Allah Almighty tells us all in the Quran in parafrase to “put right names on things”, and “go forth on the earth and see what became of those civilizations before us who some were utterly destroyed for their wickedness and the Jinn reigned on the earth before us etc etc! But somehow, incredibly Muslims never give any credence our ancient ancestral origins which was understandable before we were able to decipher cuneiform texts but now there’s no excuse other than blatant ignorance that Muslims blame other faiths or atheists for doing with Islam! 🙀🤦🏻‍♂️👎🏼/👌✌️🤲☝️😇

[@youtubeaccount3230]

Ur talking about language, i mean even hebrew has things similar to ancient babylon, i mean when prophets came they didn’t invent another language obviously

[@U.W.Y.H.L.]

@@youtubeaccount3230 I’m talking about the Sumerians mainly, who were the first culture to record their history and when were finally able to accurately decipher their cuneiform texts they attributed everything they learned about civilization to the gods! Who were the “gods”? The Anunakki(those who from heaven to earth came), but obviously however if these “gods” were fallible and corrupt as all evidence in Sumerian texts suggest then they are falsely playing gods or the term “god” itself doesn’t mean the One Creator where all existence came from! Finally for some idiotic reasons I’ll never understand, no so called experts in any field of science and or religious antiquity ever come together to correctly interpret what our ancestors told us! Instead we dwell on stories and here say about our ancestors recorded history thousands of years after the fact and wonder why there’s so much confusion and misunderstandings on who our Creator truly is, but thank our One and only true God for rectifying the matter for us by His advent of the Holy Quran which is available for us to learn and act on the truth to our benefit or ignore to our own detriment.👌✌️🤲☝️😇

[@shaunigothictv1003]

@@U.W.Y.H.L. Excellent analysis sir

[@joachim847]

Orthodox christian here 👋What he's saying is more or less true, but I'd like to emphasize the point that Hebrew religion was hellenized before Jesus; so it isn't exactly true to say something like "christianity is Judaism plus Greek philosophy". People in the ancient world shared ideas more than we realize. What's more, the Judaism we know today was created _after christianity,_ and as a reaction to it. And it looks like the Mosaic seeds of what would later be Judaism - as opposed to the Hebrew priest-king religion of Abraham - are telling a polemical story in the Old Testament _against_ the faith of Abraham. Hence, the importance of the deuterocanonical books; what protestants call the apocrypha, and other books. Christianity cannot be judged by the scriptural canon of Judaism; you need the context of the books the Rabbis rejected, but that the christians kept. With all the texts at hand, and with access to current archaeology, it sure looks like christianity, some strands of Greek philosophy, and ancient Hebrew religion were more alike than any of them are to Judaism of the non-hellenized variety. (For more on this, see the work of Margaret Barker.) EDIT: As far as I can tell, the main reason for rejecting some of the Pauline corpus is because some of the letters do not seem to be predicting the soon end of space-time. Instead of rejecting those letters, we should reject Albert Schweitzer's ideas; he's the man who gave us that "apocalyptic expectation" criterion. EDIT: In the old Hebrew religion, YHVH (the God of Israel) was the Son of El (the Father of all the gods). YHVH also had a human counterpart on earth in the King. This is how the christians were able to identify Jesus _as YHVH,_ which they most certainly did.

[@cozakokotano6448]

And for your info, the Dead Sea Scrolls actually support the writings of the Hebrew religion and contradicted with the Hellenized old testament. Which means that Muslims and Jews do not buy the Hellenized old testament. It is proven false by the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[@kyleblackburn9058]

Jeez. Quoting Greek poems while talking to Greeks. You’re right that’s crazy. He literally was talking about how even non-believers have been given clues from God is his very existence. All humans have been given grace to point back to God. And Paul pointed to their own poems that they had been longing and searching for God

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

Actually quite a bit of the New Testament contain things not taught or uttered by Jesus peace be upon him. You can do your own research by Christians who are academic historians - most of the new Testament are materials from the greeks or romans. There is is a reason why the Bible texts are NOT called the Gospel according to Jesus ( peace be upon him) _ the gospels of mark,matten, luke and john are NOT written by the disciples but have the names attached to these texts because the actual authors are unknown - some parts of the New Testament are forgeries - some parts of the Bible have errors and contradictions - there is no preservation of the bible sources as the original source materials PLUS narration chains are Lost. - God does not make mistakes . But the Bible has mistakes, contradictions and forgeries. Clearly the original Gospel of Jesus has not been preserved but mixed with human mistakes and corruption. How to base your salvation on a collection of texts which have been corrupted by humans? If you look at Judaism & Islam - both teach Monoetheism. Only Christianity has the roman concept of a Triune God head.

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

Some hindus convert to Christianity because the concept of a triune god is similar to the pagan concept of gods in hinduism - they have a similar triune god concept followed by thousands of other gods.

[@MsJfraser]

Much talk has been made of a triune God, but the third personage was omitted: the Holy Spirit. It is he who reveals the deep things of God. He is our guide, helper, and comforter. Dr. Ataie is fully versed in the message of the Gospel and chooses to disbelieve it

[@MansMan42069]

Muslims believe in the holy spirit that Jesus a.s. foretold would come. You're the one who chooses to disbelieve in the actual holy spirit: Muhammad s.a.w.

[@MansMan42069]

@@oolalamme2698 When you have to resort to false equivalence, you don't actually have an argument. Try again, kid.

[@MsJfraser]

@@MansMan42069 Act 2:2-4 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

[@MansMan42069]

@@MsJfraser oh so the Holy Spirit was already there, but Jesus says if he does not leave the Spirit will not come. The Spirit had already come but Jesus hasn't left? 🤔🤔🤔 Yeah try again.

[@Toronado2]

​ @John Fraser Actually Jesus made a FALSE prophesy there. Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. The Holy Pigeon is MUTE, Can't even Speak a WORD and Hasn't spoken a WORD EVER.

[@mooshei8165]

I wonder if the guy from Yale even Jew?

[@thretman5302]

The cult of mythraism had a profound impact on christianity.

[@ancientmonotheism5118]

I love the two gentlemen because of Allah

[@Snellius_]

Where is allah now?how do you as Muslims find him?

[@onabillchoudhury4470]

What does that comment even mean 😭😭😭

[@onabillchoudhury4470]

@dan mann I didn’t mean you brother, I meant the ignorant Christian original comment, he’s talking about absolute nonsense

[@Snellius_]

Good day ! Praise Jesus Now how do you come in his presence ? I'm talking about you that are on earth.... Look I'm only asking questions

[@onabillchoudhury4470]

@@Snellius_ Brother can you speak English? What are you on about

[@Snellius_]

@@onabillchoudhury4470 in his presence I mean like how do you feel him to know that he is there ....with you.....I can speak English Mr choudhury

[@D.tabak7938]

Paul was a Unitarian, his language (in manuscripts dating 3 centuries later) was misunderstood and mistranslated as binitarian or trinitarian. I am sorry Dr. Ataie holds this view. Of course, he was wrong in proposing vicarious atonement and allowing eating meat sacrificed to idols. But he was clearly a Unitarian.

[@thinkislamcheckmychannel]

Whatever Paul was, he was a con and a fake

[@Toronado2]

​ @Jesus Christ Is Lord Paul was a Con Man. A self proclaimed one at that. Proof? You want Proof? 2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

[@Toronado2]

​ @Jesus Christ Is Lord If you say that I can't quote the Bible because I don't believe in it, THEN why are YOU being a HYPOCRITE and quoting the QURAN? Do you Believe in the Quran?

[@Toronado2]

​ @Jesus Christ Is Lord Why don't you first deal with the assertion that you made that "I can't quote the Bible"? Are You going to apologize to me or are YOU going to be a HYPOCRITE?

[@Toronado2]

​ @Jesus Christ Is Lord THEN You accept that YOU are a HYPOCRITE? Calling me a Heretic doesn't make sense because, what I did was PROVE to You that PAUL says that He IS a DECEIVER in YOUR own BIBLE that YOU believe in. So are YOU saying that You don't believe in the Bible?

[@thedude9941]

This is false, the Trinity does not come from Greek thought but from ancient mesopotamian religious traditions that even pre-date Judaism.

[@justiceempire1170]

What? Paul regarded himself as Gods like Zeus? Big Fat Liar again! The people in Lystra called them such names by their Greek Gods because they made the disabled man walk. But Paul corrected them that the miracles was from Jesus. Not theirs. “Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker” (Acts 14:12)

[@user-uo7fw5bo1o]

Christianity is like the cuckoo's egg or cowbird's egg in the bird's nest of Abrahamic religion. I mean, they worship Jesus, even and especially when depicted crucified, which means they worship his cross too. Only Christians don't have any idea what a complete Roman execution cross was like, neither do the scholars, but the Romans, Greeks, Jews and other nationals within the Empire knew!

[@EngagingWithIslam]

This is a misleading discussion. Platonism is a form of rationalism, and in the case of God is seeking to answer the question of how a transcendent God interacts with the physical world. There is overlap here with the Bible because the Bible, from the time of Moses, declares the answer, that the transcendent God interacts with his creation through his word/logos and Spirit. The idea of logos does not come from Philo but Moses. Why was there no mention of Genesis 1 in this video when Genesis 1 is the origin of logos theology? This is where both Philo and John are coming from. "Paul quoted pagan authors to support his Christology" Where? No, he doesn't. Such misinformation.

[@ChingChengHanji_]

After all these years and yet you are still worshipping a man?

[@asif8224]

How 25th December became jesus birthday?? 25th December is pagan God Birthday!!

[@joemalone3099]

@@ChingChengHanji_ hahaha lol..forgive them they r pagan or gentils like jews called them

[@truthmatter9972]

By reaching your age ,you should get it by now.

[@Toronado2]

To Samuel Green How can you still believe that YOU need to have someone do something EVIL because YOU won't or CAN'T do it YOURSELF? Question, Let's see if YOUR YEARS as a "Christian" can answer this? Do YOU support the Crucifixion of Jesus??? In other words, I need to put it "in other words" because Christians, I find are always trying to wiggle out. In other words, If YOU were there at the Time of Jesus Crucifixion, would YOU have Supported those that Crucified Him? OR , Would YOU have been AGAINST Crucifying Jesus?

[@kyleblackburn9058]

The Quran is said to be uncreated, eternal, sent down, and unchanged. So is the Quran on the same level as Allah? If the Quran is eternal then it must be the same level as Allah. Or it’s just a spinning off of Jesus. Jesus is uncreated, eternal, SENT DOWN, and “before Abraham was, I am”

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

Where is your source that the Quran is uncreated, eternal? In Islam - God is Uncreated and Eternal. However online - you can find a lot of info about Islam that is wrong and misleading especially fake hadith which claim to be authentic.

[@lilyrosesoul0077]

The Quran is unchanged in the sense that it is preserved here on earth for humans.

[@ftst4756]

Let me give you all a known example: Zeus impregnets Hera, an woman.And Hera gives birth to Hercules.So we have Hercules THE SON OF GOD. Let me give you Zrinity(Z for Zeus) God the Zeus Son the Hercules Kratos the ghost of sparta. Lol😆😆😆😆

[@mohamedsmaili297]

Our Creator Allah=Eloi Almighty the One and only True Eternal Living God of the Messiah Jesus son of Mary and the Holy Ghost Archangel Gabriel (peace be upon them all) says: (30. The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!) Sourate 9 at-awbah ayah 30 from the Holy Quran the last book revealed by our Creator Allah Almighty to his and our last beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) I pray to Allah=Eloi Almighty to guide us and our brothers and sisters from Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both) to the truth .AMEEN

[@fidelcatsro6948]

so much corruption twisted the words and teachings of Prophet Jesus pbuh..

[@magedabuldahab7481]

22:00 they made reconstruction surgery by using the foreskin that David had taken earlier.......1 Samuel 18;27:, 😂😂😂, weird & hilarious stories............

[@anuarismail8070]

Islam is the only religion preached by the true Prophets of God...it entails the worship of one God without any partners...ascribing partners to God is blasphemous and the greatest sin...peace be to all.

[@carefullychristian8657]

Whay you are saying is not coherent about pauls teachings.they are clear 1.One god father of us all whom no man has seen nor can see,dwells in light inapproachable who alone had immortality. God spoke to our fathres through the prophets 2.God has his Spirit who is divine 3.messiah is.mediator and offered.himself ,became.sin iintercedes for transgressors,he explains all with extensive quotations from tanakh.you dont show people that. What practices are pagsn? Trinity is not pauls idea Paul explains God msnifests in creation as to the patriarchs and isrselis. Islam is clearly connected to mani patek eho started man icheaism Islam has pure Arabic paganism brought into this new faith Mohamed was yemeni His clan quraish were in charge of kaaba built by yemenis His fatherwas servant of Allah before mohamed started islam There was more than one kaaba notably also white which. Was destroyed by mohameds orders In tbe kaaba is yemeni corner There is a black stone you kiss and believe it erases sins as pagans did You do tawaaf as.pagans 7 times reoresenting known planets You stone non existent satan You go safwa mareaall pagan before You do animal sacrificr You pray 5 times.facing kaaba as pagans did Is Allah in kaaba? It was apractice of pagans bcoz hubal chief Allah eas tbere What more ramadhan,many pagan practices now islam

[@carefullychristian8657]

You speak from letters of.paul to prove nothing Paul quotes from tanakh You talk of trinity where is it in bible God is one Father GOD HAS HIS SPIRIT DIVINE MESSIAH IS DIVINE FROM TANAKH, He rides on clouds Given a tbrone Sits at Gods right hand David calls hin his lord(not God) He is served by all peoples Now Quran shows Allah is one He has a spirit notably blown into mary and put in mary from himself Messiah in quran is tbe spirit of allah The spirit and messiah have some divine attrubutes of God Holy Omnipresent Give life Proceed from God So are eternal and uncreated Therefore you can disprove paul by using tanakh You didnt Sad you claim muslims love jesus false You are commanded to love mohamed not jesus or moses

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

@0.55 "Paul quoted pagan poets, in the New Testament, to support his Christology... in Acts 17:28, at the Areopagus..." That is a bald-faced lie. He says absolutely nothing in the Areopagite speech about Christology. It would hardly have been germane, given he was talking about the basics of monotheism to Greeks who had no idea what a Messiah even was. Even looking at the words Paul cites it's clear it's got nothing to do with Jesus: "For we are indeed his offspring" (Acts 17:28). Paul doesn't teach we're 'the offspring of Christ.' He's talking about people's relationship with God the Father (Romans 8:14-16), of whom we are 'sons.' "...And the poet Menander in 1 Corinthians 15:33" And what, pray tell, has this 'satanic' aphorism got to do with Christology: “Bad company ruins good morals”? You know, if you have to make stuff up about someone to criticize them, that's a YOU problem. @01:30 (According to St. Paul): "Christ is both the Dying and Rising Saviour Man-God..." The 1800s called to say they want their scholarship back.

[@MansMan42069]

My condolences to your parents for having given birth to someone as ignorant as you. You do love making a joke of yourself.

[@joemalone3099]

@@MansMan42069 I hear ya man! Listen Bart Ehrman he will explain u all this in more details he is a leader biblical scholar and ex evangilist

[@benevolent7599]

Paul Williams 👍🏻 Paul of Tarsus 👎🏻

[@IsraeliteDefense]

😂😂😂

[@cozakokotano6448]

Agreed.

[@SundayBeastz]

Kiss any Black Rocks lately?

[@arasen6843]

It is also in the bible. Isaiah 6:6-7

[@mahfoudhhaythem]

You retard don't understand do you? here is the issue, it doesn't matter what you or who you kiss, you can kiss your doll, you can kiss your wife, you can kiss your children, you can kiss your arms and pose in front of the mirror, you can kiss whatever, it doesn't matter, but here is the issue, if the god you worship considers what you kiss to be wrong then it is wrong and that is called shirk in islam, kissing the black stone or doing hajj is allowed and Allah made it to be a cornerstone for those who believe in him, do you understand now, if someone wants to kiss those rocks or stone whatever they want with it, it doesn't matter because that is allowed in the islamic religion which have a preserved book called quran and you can actually find out what is true from false in the hadiths, but in other previous "holy" books which are presumed to be "revealed" by a god, you don't have that, so your beliefs of right and wrong might as well be nonsense, just some stories that some people said, that is why, what is in islam is pure be it scientifically or historically and that makes it the religion and not just a religion, but what you have in other books is just based on some stories that someone said so might as well be worshipping that person who told you about those stories but of course for those sharing your mindset, you don't have that problem so be it, your opinion simply doesn't matter as far as truth is concerned

[@AbdulKhaliq-ff6tg]

Kissing on wall 🤔(whaling wall)🙃

[@mahfoudhhaythem]

I don't know why I keep seeing these low intelligence comments, so let me explain, here is the issue, it doesn't matter what you or who you kiss, you can kiss your doll, you can kiss your wife, you can kiss your children, you can kiss your arms and pose in front of the mirror, you can kiss whatever, it doesn't matter, but here is the issue, if the god you worship considers what you kiss to be wrong then it is wrong and that is called shirk in islam, kissing the black stone or doing hajj is allowed and Allah made it to be a cornerstone for those who believe in him, do you understand now, if someone wants to kiss those rocks or stone whatever they want with it, it doesn't matter because that is allowed in the islamic religion which have a preserved book called quran and you can actually find out what is true from false in the hadiths, but in other previous "holy" books which are presumed to be "revealed" by a god, you don't have that, so your beliefs of right and wrong might as well be nonsense, just some stories that some people said, that is why, what is in islam is pure be it scientifically or historically and that makes it the religion and not just a religion, but what you have in other books is just based on some stories that someone said so might as well be worshipping that person who told you about those stories but of course for those sharing your mindset, you don't have that problem so be it, your opinion simply doesn't matter as far as truth is concerned

[@rollingknuckleball]

Yeah I accidentally kissed a black rock today, oops. Was trying to kiss the white one. This is Biodegradable Bill and I approve this message.

[@CG-zi5ku]

Muslims also should appreciate that the Islamic rites such as salat, fasting in ramadan, pilgrimage to mecca, going round and round the kaaba, kissing the black stone, running between safa and marwa etc - these were likely arab pagan rituals that were 'ISLAMICISED.' The point is the actual rituals don't really matter, it is WHY YOU DO THEM that matters.

[@rebazpishdari7845]

Yea all of the sudden you are Islamic historian😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 so predictable. I know the truth hurts Mr/Ms Christian

[@imgood2978]

Christians do everything for Christ who is not God . For muslims you already know whom we serve . ALLAH-The God of all prophets. Hope that answers your weak question

[@imgood2978]

You rushed so recklessly that you have included Salat as pagan ritual. That's so illiterate of you. Pls read books.

[@CG-zi5ku]

@@rebazpishdari7845 So of the 124,000 Prophets sent to earth which ones fasted in the month of Ramadan which ones celebrated Eid?

[@CG-zi5ku]

@@imgood2978 Do you think the pagan arab weren't praying in a similar way with the standing, bowing, and then prostration? When I say salat i mean the general movements, not all the fine details including what is said.

[@carefullychristian8657]

You show us if islam is not having pagan beliefs and practices 1.kaaba is pagan arabs of yemen 2.they have yemeni corner where the bkack stone is kept 3.the black stone was kissed by mohamed bcos it erases sins 4.tawaaf was there before islam 5.safwa and marwa 6.pray 5 times facing mecca 7.stone satan 8.animal sacrifices 9.they used to do it naked How come jews dont know about it.? Yet quran says they were favored as a nation above all nations They never were told about Allahs house?

[@unknownsource5787]

They're so wrong so wrong, God is one, unique, does not beget nor is he begotten. Doesn't it make sense that the one who is eternal and immortal cannot be born?? Anyways, Please read carefully, we are about to enter hardships from end of times but afterwards we will have peace in the entire world. According to my knowledge and dreams, the day of judgment is far from today but close and the coming of wars, Dajjal and Gog and Magog is near. There are too many things to say but what I can tell you is that I have been talking to God and Gabriel for 4 years. It all started when I heard a very powerful and calm voice saying "let this be a reminder to those who have been removed from the cover of my remembrance". I knew in my heart that it was Allah (God) and I could feel it through the energy of the voice. Now God calls me Isa but he already told me 2 years ago that I am really Isa but at that time I didn't believe him. Only after seeing 7 shooting stars in less than 2 weeks and especially after the last star I believed it. Each time Allah told me to look up just before the star and the last one we had an appointment at a lake where He explained to me that the body means almost nothing and that it is the soul that lives. I heard his real voice only once. He told me that I have Isa's soul and that's why he talks to me and why Jibreel is always with me. I am from East Africa so I have black skin and it is interesting because Allah told me that I would be a test for the people and I also have a big mark on my back between my shoulders, they said that it is the mark of the prophets. For the day of the last judgement, I was shown a dream of 4 or 5 huge Egyptian pillars but 10 times bigger and followed by a date 2063. For wars, I was given dreams before the antichrist and Gog and Magog, so I interpreted that the wars would come first, including nuclear war, I saw a nuclear explosion. For Dajjal(anti christ) , I was flying in a beautiful dream of Allah and suddenly I saw a dark entity enter our space and he had a crown and a big sword. In another dream I was fighting a huge monster like Godzilla and I knew it was Dajjal because he has the ability to transform. I was fighting him with the light of Allah, I could fly and I had incredible speed. For Gog and Magog, they were the worst in the corruption in the dream. The earth was dead, there was extreme drought, no water and the air smelled bad, I could not breathe. However, I was with a closed group of believers in a mountain and when I went out, they followed me but advised me against it. As soon as I went out, that's when I couldn't breathe because of the pollution. Then I saw some dark beings in the distance and I knew it was them. Then someone came and told me to go pray on a mountain to defeat the Gog and Magog, I told them we would all go together and the dream ended. I also had good dreams: I saw angels, I rode on the back of an angel in another world and I even saw two angels in real life when I was a child. At the time I didn't know they were angels, but now I know because they were in the form of human beings, but without flesh or skin, only pure light. The last thing Allah told me is that this is the end game and I believe that there are multiple mahdis or smaller mahdis that Allah also communicated with in some way. I know of two others in this case. Anyway, there is too much to share, Peace

[@kevinohiggins3868]

lmao as opposed to the Quran which is literally just half arab paganism and half judaism

[@MirMdNasif]

Reference?

[@SundayBeastz]

​@@MirMdNasif Pagan? How about kissing a Black Rock lately or walking in circles or throwing stones at Satan? Walking in circles lol . . . That perfectly represents the Quran religion.

[@arasen6843]

@@SundayBeastz walking in circles, tawaff, is an ancient semitic rite, done also in almost every other major religions. It is even in the hebrew bible and mishnah sukkah 4:5. In hebrew it is know as haqqafah. In Mishnah Sukkah 4:5 , the jews would circle an alter seven times. There is an article written by Paul B. Fenton from the University of Strasbourg in France. The name of the article is The symbolism of the ritual of circumambulation in Islam and Judaism. Do read it, enhance your knowledge. Peace.

[@kevinohiggins3868]

@@arasen6843 the kaaba was made by arab polytheists and Muhamamd retconned it to be made by Abraham who had no connection to it lol

[@jasonharris351]

@@kevinohiggins3868 so what do you think Abraham did in the wilderness of Paran bud?

[@justiceempire1170]

Where is Minander there? You are such a liar! Corinthians 15:33 33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”[e] 34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-I say this to your shame.

[@jared2244]

ISLAM ADAM"..and neo-Platonism aand you will come to know the true origins of the trinity" Christians who pray to the Triune God get their prayers answered.. Therefore it cant be from a pagan origin. A pagan god does not answer prayers. Muslims have been praying for peace, and they have not achieved peace...The only way their prayers can be answerd is when they embrace the Triune God

[@AS-jj4dv]

Paganism traditionally encompasses beliefs and societal practices of pre- and non-christian cultures in and around the ancient world; including those of the greco-roman, celtic, germanic, and slavic tribes. In particular, the term pagan was and is used in a pejorative sense of infidel and heretic, as christian counterparts to goy in judaism, and kafir or mushrik in islam. Modern expressions of paganism and folklores extend the initial meaning given by early christians to similar religious traditions stretching far into prehistory. Islam is also a syncretic or hybrid religion, i.e. the blending of two or more religious belief systems into a new system, or the incorporation into a religious tradition of beliefs from unrelated traditions. This happens often in regions where multiple religious traditions exist in proximity and interact actively, or when a culture is conquered, whereby the conquerors bring their religious beliefs with them, but failed in entirely eradicating the old beliefs or (especially) practices. The quran and islam reflect a combination and fusion of different religious traditions. In particular, the distinct historical features of zoroastrianism, such as its monotheism, messianism, judgment after death, heaven and hell, and free will have influenced Judaism, christianity and islam. “Pagan” practices are incorporated in islam, such as the kaaba and the kissing and touching of the black stone. The quran and islam are loaded with the stories, gossips, and mythical figures from the former religious traditions, such as satan making eve to eat the fruit, not eating pork, abraham’s sacrifice, lot and fire in sodom, moses raised by the daughter of the pharaoh, the story of the burning bush, the plagues in egypt and the exit of the jews, the murmurs in the desert, aaron's golden calf, including the virgin birth, and so on. Christianity and islam are definitively not an original independent religion.

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Paganism traditionally encompasses beliefs and societal practices of pre- and non-christian cultures in and around the ancient world; including those of the greco-roman, celtic, germanic, and slavic tribes. In particular, the term pagan was and is used in a pejorative sense of infidel and heretic, as christian counterparts to goy in judaism, and kafir or mushrik in islam. Modern expressions of paganism and folklores extend the initial meaning given by early christians to similar religious traditions stretching far into prehistory. What about islam ?