Pagan Vikings vs. Christians

[@Dhassp]

Thank you for your dedication

[@tjohn6echo]

Hi, thanks for this lecture presentation. Its very informative and interesting and enjoyable. Well done!

[@Kalleosini]

44:00 I never realized but coincidentally there are 9 "worlds" in the world tree. exactly like the solar system.

[@AllisOnePermaculture]

Well done!

[@thomasmolkken7240]

Great lecture :) Btw. St. Olaf is Olaf Haraldsson, not Olaf Tryggvason.

[@Brough1111]

Excellent

[@jimtaggert42]

thank you

[@sechernbiw3321]

In general, very accurate and insightful lecture. The Sami are closely related to the Finns. The Sami and Finns both speak Finno-Ugric/Uralic languages. The Finnish and Estonian languages are far more closely related to the Sami languages than they are to Hungarian. Finnish, Estonian and the Sami languages are all part of the Finno-Permic language family within Uralic, while Hungarian is part of the Ugric language family within Uralic. The Hungarian language did not diverge from Finnish and Estonian, nor is there any evidence that Hungarians ever lived in what are now Finland or Estonia, or even anywhere nearby. Instead, Hungarian diverged from the Khanti and Mansi languages of Western Siberia, perhaps about 2,000 years ago, and eventually travelled from Western Siberia through the steppe of what is now southern Russia and southern Ukraine in order to reach what is now Hungary. The ancestors of the Hungarian, Khanti and Mansi languages are believed to have already separated with common features long before 2000 years ago from a larger and more distantly related group of Uralic languages among which were the ancestors of Finnish, Estonian, Sami, as well as many other languages such as Karelian, Ingrian, Veps, Komi-Zyrian, Komi-Peryak, Udmurt, Mari, Erzya and Moksha. Of these, the Balto-Finnic languages which include Finnish, Estonian, Karelian, Livonian and Ingrian appear to be particularly closely related to the Sami languages, and the Mordvinic languages, Erzya and Moksha, appear to be particularly closely related as well. That said, the Sami languages, while clearly closely related, are very different from one another, and are even more different from the Balto-Finnic and Mordvinic languages. Exactly how closely Balto-Finnic, Sami and Mordvinic are related to one another, and exactly how long ago they diverged from one another and from other Finno-Permic languages, is still being worked out.

[@davidwest7776]

It has been said that one of the Icelandic Sagas provided a clue to the identity of Beowulf. The key clue seems to have been the mention of a battle fought on top of a frozen lake.

[@Pandaemoni]

I would underline what you said about traditions blending. There are signs that many early "converts" were treating Christy as if He were another god among the "old" gods. So there wasn't always a smooth break or conversion into what we consider Christianity. According to everything I have read and heard, futhark writings are mostly just monumental inscriptions on runestones ("So and so was buried here and he was quite a badass [i.e. 'drengr' or 'ᛏᚱᛅᚴᛦ']" and "I [insert name] carved these runes", that sort of thing) and not magic spells. Sometimes the runic alphabet was used for some magical or curse-related purposes, but that was an exception. Also, there is a theory that the Goths might have adapted Etruscan, but that is not proven or clear. Etruscan had fewer letters than elder futhark, most of the letters don't match very closely (though some do), futhark was normally written right to left (Etruscan was left to right), but then could reverse direction in a boustrphedon system that Etruscan did not use. The Etruscan theory is a plausible hypothesis, but no one knows for sure (and it's clear that it must have more complicated than just "futhark developed from Etruscan"...Etruscan is an "a, b, c" ordered set of letters and futhark is so named because their list of letters starts f, u, Þ (th), a, r, k . Why would they copy the letters then randomly reorder them?). One curious thing I have never seen (except in modern online posts) is anyone trying to syncretize Odin and Jesus. Odin hanged himself on a tree (possibly Yggdrasil, though no kne knows for certain, and sacrificed himself there (to himself, as a god does) after stabbling himself with his spear. That seems ripe for crossing that with Jesus on the cross sacrificing himself to God, after being stabbed by a spear. But I am unaware of any Viking Age person taking that bait.

[@S.J.L]

They weren't practical for battle but the Scandinavians did wear ceremonial horned helmets going back to the Nordic Bronze Age.

[@theletgotree]

Query for John, Mike and Leandro (and/or anyone else interested): Have you seen Norsemen? Haven't seen "Vikings" (thank you for "History" channel lol) but Norsemen is pretty funny, if not fully historical. Love yall!

[@andrewsuryali8540]

Norsemen is ironically more historically accurate than Vikings, though. Probably because it's made by their actual descendants.

[@carlospineda648]

Pagans were more discipline warriors always focused connected to mother earth the berserker Stanford Bridge.

[@xp8969]

Why are they extinct then?

[@jounik8980]

English men was affraid vikings turn to muslims

[@sonofthunder-fb3cm]

Well they might, if you feed them after midnight right?😂

[@RoscoPColtrane17]

At least the Vikings had their own god. The other Europeans worship a foreign god.

[@richardjohnston3359]

Bit one side when you think about it you had viking pagans druugged up on mushrooms warriors v law abiding Christian farmers who still won in nattles quiet alot

[@eriklack1036]

the. Finns are not Scandinavian, ,different language, they are not in the scandinavian royal household either

[@stevenv6463]

Isn't Scandanavian a geographic term like Anatolian? It would be like saying Hittites aren't Anatolian because they aren't related to Turks.

[@eriklack1036]

@@stevenv6463 the people living on the Scandinavian peninsula are Scandinavians only a small part of northern Finland does so I’ve met no Finns who would consider themselves Scandinavian as for the hittites good luck to them they existed in a time before Turks took over turkey

[@eriklack1036]

Also the hittites were Indio European the Turks are not if you have any other queries I suggest you do some research try Wikipedia or yr local oriest

[@stevenv6463]

@@eriklack1036 I don't think you understood what I meant about Hittites. Hittites were Anatolian and Turks are Anatolian because they both lived in Anatolia even though they aren't related to each other genetically.

[@eriklack1036]

@@stevenv6463 I can’t see how this relates to Scandinavia today people move about in 3000 years who knows what the situation will be look at Europe now and. Compare it to a thousand years ago best just to talk about universal people it saves what seems to be random conjecture but good luck with yr puzzle but I’m going to leave you to it

[@wendylafolle]

As John described pagan life and how intensive ritual and prayer was, I thought of my previous life as an Orthodox Jew. A blessing upon waking, accompanied by ritual ablution, then another blessing and ritual ablution after using the toilet, getting dressed according to religious law, blessings before and after eating (and more ablutions), scrupulous care to not mix milk and meat, and so on through the day. Talk about a life of intensive ritual and prayer!

[@kaydee3407]

All for eartlhly spirits that ask for blood sacrifices and imperfect sacrofices... With the true god he offered himself as the perfect sacrofice ..and gave us the perfect choice to choose from ...the old law or the new law... We still havent made that choice .. We still pay Ceasar and have to sacrifice for the false god..we still walk blind with the keys to the door to god in our hand .. God sacrcrificed for us..in completion ...when are we going to sacrifice ourselves fully through christ ... The end is nigh..the doo is ajar..we just have to walk through it . Hebrews 8,9,10

[@clareryan3843]

Yeah, I had the same thought but I was thinking more sympathetically about traditional societies like precolonial Maori or Hindu villages - less fear of transgression than living in a world illuminated by an appreciation of the interconnectedness of all life - something described in the culture by reference to the Gods and spirits inhabiting the world. In Modern life we understand the interconnectedness of the economy🤦 everything sooner of later is described in terms of monetary value, even volunteering😳🙄

[@lauanalowman4867]

I know Vikings would win we sacrifice our lives in battle with swords shields and our god Odin paid just as much of a price as Christ did our god is worthy of our worship as well we would win over the the knights Templar Viking I am and Viking I will stay Odin promised me no damnation I took it hail Odin and hail hydra of the VIKING FOLKLORE 🗡️🗡️🗡️🗡️⚔️👑

[@gfmaddad]

I was told in no uncertain terms that there was no such thing as Vikings because viking was a verb that meant raiding

[@RelivingHistory1]

it was a job. most of them would farm and go raiding when the weather wouldn't allow for farming to occur.

[@jenmb2679]

Jeez, just get on to the topic. Youll lose viewers