PAINLAND SAGA 😭 Vinland Saga Season 2 Episode 20 REACTION! | 2x20 "Pain"

[@CarlieAndAnge]

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[@اميرمادرا]

He dripy ‏‪with it ‏‪3:35‬‏

[@youyu1710]

fairy tail openings reaction please 😊

[@kikikim4589]

Vinland was like for 4/5 episodes you'll only feel pain but the pain is so beautiful you'll comeback to it again and again

[@CarlieAndAnge]

Lmao described it perfectly 😆

[@ilsrzz135]

and this is why thorfinn is undoubtedly one of the best mcs in anime

[@OctavianAsix]

Why?

[@Soldier1876]

One of the Best development characters​@@OctavianAsix

[@mustafamusa798]

What a great rollercoaster of a season this has been, From FARMLAND SAGA to PEAKLAND SAGA to PAINLAND SAGA.

[@CarlieAndAnge]

Such an incredible story

[@LuisSierra42]

To Vinland Saga

[@vagoerrante]

and to peakland saga again

[@nya69696]

​@@LuisSierra42too soon, we got merchantland saga first

[@OctavianAsix]

Simpland saga****

[@cedomir19]

That scene where Thorfinn is talking about Vinland is a payoff to Thors saving a slave from Halfdan and talking to him about a place where theres no war and no slaves... Peakland at its best

[@MilkPlus1962]

Ketil showing his true colours reminds me of a conversation between the poor couple in the movie Parasite, "Even though they're rich, they're nice." "No. They're not rich but nice. They're nice *because* they're rich. Hell, if I had all this money I could afford be nice too." Ketil only showed how horrible he could be when his wealth was at risk of being taken away from him.

[@marti9734]

THIS fucking THIS. Summarize the shit man Ketil is

[@hunkydory8437]

Leif is the man. His dedication and patience is admirable af.

[@MercurialMoon]

Yeah I imagine it was rare even for people to be looking for missing family members for that long, since murder and kidnapping were pretty common back then🥲

[@mateovillamorales7804]

The one talking was in fact Canute. It was something he said in season 1, I believe it was when Canute had he's realization about God and the meaning of love

[@killezio3killezio342]

Yep thorfin was thinking about his words back then

[@thorfinnthegoatmc]

yep its the same episode 20 of season 1. What a nice parallel

[@Literallyjustmint]

Ohh

[@markgregorygacosta531]

@@killezio3killezio342 how in the world is your comment from 2 weeks ago?

[@Literallyjustmint]

@@markgregorygacosta531patreon

[@Toasterfinal5]

This broke me with overwhelming emotion 😭. Going in this, I never thought this anime would make me cry. Hats off to the creators for making such a well written & animated story come to life.

[@اميرمادرا]

Poor woman rest in peace 😢 ‏‪0:28‬‏

[@Automatedresponsebot5]

I have to say, you guys are one of the very few reaction channels I watch regularly. I’ve really been happy watching you guys react to Vinland (prob my number 1 in terms of anime) and honestly it’s rare that people comprehend the scale of thorfinns journey, but you guys really really elaborate your thoughts so well. I love watching you guys enjoy!!!

[@CarlieAndAnge]

Appreciate the nice words! 🙏🏻

[@Un1234l]

1000% concur

[@SpinoxCast]

At 16:04 Thorfinn looks nearly identical to his father and it's such a beautiful sight

[@chairjacker]

Your analysis has been on point guys :D

[@bryceharvey-simi5642]

Love you guys, thanks for making my morning routine a bit brighter!

[@CarlieAndAnge]

❤️

[@IeshiAke]

I have no idea how to connect these in one paragraph, so a few points: -I'm proud of Einar for being able to learn from Thorfinn's experience. When Thorfinn explains that revenge is bad for you he actually listens. He's such a good dude -Thorfinn's speech about Vinland after Arnheid's death mirrors Thors actions at the beginning of the show, when he paid a lot of money (or sheep) for a dying slave -Thorfinn has become very proactive. He's a pacifist but not passive. In his younger days he was an extremely reactive character with little initiative -Oh my god the voice acting. Arnheid's actress makes it sound very real, she has been doing a great job in the last few episodes

[@nandnishrivastava5654]

Slight spoilers for season 3 : Einar definitely listens and agrees to the stuff Thorfinn says. When Hild tries to kill Thorfinn, Einar says the same words to her as Thorfinn says to him here.

[@ドナルド-k9q]

One of the themes of the Vinland saga is to confront one's own anger. Ketil and Einar embody this theme.

[@LuisSierra42]

I wonder what a conversation between Eren and Thorfinn would look like

[@OctavianAsix]

​@@LuisSierra42Eren would kill that foo

[@teddginn1]

the parallels in this show is crazy. just like his dad,thorfinn trying to give chest compression to a slave. both arneid and the other slave imagining a world without slaves or violence before their death. just like how the runaway slave cemented thors vision for vinland, so does arneis for thorfinn.

[@markgregorygacosta531]

Thorgil is quite underrated actually. People think he might be all brute and muscles but he's actually smart. He devised that strategy of having the farmhands battle canutes forces so that he can sneak in behind. He succeeded to some extent and almost had Canutes head. He even decided to retreat in the end because he lost the element of surprise. That's very commendable decision making imo.

[@اميرمادرا]

Yes smart man

[@mikkosimonen]

Thorgil isn't stupid, he's just an asshole.

[@Bdavis2475]

Thorgil is very smart and strong. But he has no empathy due to growing up in a toxic society

[@OctavianAsix]

​@@Bdavis2475empathy is putting yourself in other people's shoes Thorgil does nothing but this He's always shown to be in other people's heads That's the only reason why he's able to surprise them time and time again

[@GavinFox2028]

Only 4 eps left 😢 before we finish s2. Days went by fast guys.

[@7slimy278]

the osts in this episode were so awesome, the ending one too!

[@xel1673]

I don't like Ketil, but I don't necessarily hate him either. Look back the first half of the season in instances like when Einar snaps at Thorfinn for not getting angry at the retainers that were abusing them and destroyed their wheat, demanding to know why Thorfinn didn't feel the same. Thorfinn says he has no right to be angry since he also did horrible things. Far worse things than the retainers. Ketil is in his "young Thorfinn" moment. Sure, Thorfinn has the somewhat excuse of being quite young and immature. However, he wasn't a bad boy at heart. He also still realized deep down what he was doing was wrong. Like with the old English lady that protected him, showed him kindness, which only got her, her family, and her neighbors killed. Then he just flipped off that conscience and the guilt, turning a blind to the atrocities around him and facilitated by working with Askeladd's crew. Defending his actions as a just cause. To avenge his father, which he did out of a burning anger, but also because of pride and honor. To not avenge his father would seem shameful (which is also the same warrior pride and honor that kept Thorfinn from assassinating Askeladd and always demanded a duel instead). Sure, he was never shown killing an innocent non-combatant, but he still helped the vikings attack villages and ignored the cruelty. In Ketil's case he had several things taken from him. He lost the woman he loved in his youth. Who he still pines for to this day and the experience left him traumatized. She was sold off to a powerful land owner because Sverkel lacked the power or nerve to stand against the demand. It was devastating to Ketil. He lost faith in those around him. So he built his farm to be powerful. Because he didn't want to lose anything again. However, like Sverkel warned, Ketil growing his farm beyond what just one man could protect would only bring more troubles. And as the farm grew it would make him more fearful of losing that power, so it required more growing and wealth accumulation in an endless cycle to secure it. Power and wealth meant security for Ketil. A wall of protection. But it was an illusion. I don't think this has "shown Ketil's true self" any more than Thorfinn's wild days were his true self. We are ever changing creatures. We have no idea what we are like in our absolute worst moment. Thorfinn (as a boy) and Ketil go through what are tests of their fortitude as good people at their lowest moments and failed. However, it doesn't end there. Once they come out the other side of their dark moment, we can judge their actions, but also have to see how they move forward. To me, how a person deals with their sin is the true reveal of their character. Thorfinn was able to reflect, shoulder his sins, and make the choice to atone. Sometimes that road to redemption is quick, other times it is slow. Or a person never sees they were in the wrong nor tries to pay for their bad actions for whatever reason/excuse. Like blaming others or the world, as though they have no free will, always claiming the victim or something. Or the person has no moral compass and never feels bad about it. Whatever the case, we are just getting a glimpse in time when these characters are at their absolute worst. Ketil didn't lose his father like Thorfinn, but he's still losing everything he did care about. He already expressed he was completely isolated from everyone else and felt alone. The only things that mattered to him were Arnheid and the farm, which he thought protected him from being a victim. When all of that was crumbling around him, he lost it. He became a monster. In his eyes, Arnheid betrayed him and broke his heart. Of course, that was completely wrong and he gave her no opportunity to defend herself. His heart hardened and he wanted revenge, to make those who hurt him hurt in return. While you can understand what his thoughts and the reasons for his actions were, he was the villain in every way shape and form for what he did to Arnheid, who was always at his mercy and had no choice but to do everything he asked. His thoughts were only what pain he felt, not what Arnheid, a powerless slave, felt. He was likely upset his delusion of having Arnheid's love was all in his head, and, rather than realize he was the one at fault, he blamed her. Ketil is also blind to the death, pain and misery he's bringing onto everyone else on the farm by fighting back against Canute. All in his angry desperation to not be a victim again and save his life's work, as well as get revenge against Canute for betraying him to steal what he values most. He does seem to have a moment of clarity when that retainer calls him out, basically telling him he's no different than Canute. Ketil was the top dog that ruled over all of them. They had no choice but to bend to whatever Ketil wanted for fear of retribution or losing something they valued. I doubt Ketil ever tried to set anyone up with underhanded tactics like Canute is doing here, but the core part of the comparison remains. Ketil grew his farm for power and to be untouchable. Canute is trying to build his kingdom so he can be more powerful and untouchable. The retainer also indirectly brings up Ketil's past. When a poor farmer like Sverkel also had no choice when he turned over that girl Ketil loved. It's in the line "No matter how unfair it may be, you shouldn't defy the king." Sverkel knew people would have lost their lives in a bloody conflict had they angered that wealth land-owner by refusing. They could not defy him, who was the closet to a king living in their midst as these farmers had. The unfairness was something Ketil just couldn't accept or forgive his father for. And it's in the line "Do you understand what it's like to be poor like us now?" Now he's been smacked in the face with the reality he is weak and has always been weak. No matter how he tried to protect himself, there were always going to be stronger people out there to take it all away from him. And all fighting back did was delay the inevitable and get a bunch of innocent people caught in the middle of the conflict killed. Even rage-filled Ketil knew his rebellion was doomed, even without Snake warning him, but his stubborn obsession and pride would not let him back down. However, the weak and the poor like that retainer are always forced to swallow their pride and give in to the stronger.

[@andrewkeshan8649]

This Show deserves to win anime of the year. I'll wait till episode 22 but you guys are going to witness the greatest character development in anime so far. If Thorfinn doesn't win Best anime character in the next crucnyroll anime awards I will lose faith in humanity. Most anime fans get carried away with what's mainstream and just watched what's hyped and advertised on media thinking they are probably the best totally ignirant to underrated gems like this.

[@OctavianAsix]

Simpland saga is mainstream broski You're talking down to yourself 😭😭 Why is it so hyped up?! S1 was great, S2 is tedious

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

​@@OctavianAsix You're missing the entire point of Vinland Saga dude. Season 2 is important, because that's when the true battle for Thorfinn starts to become a true warrior and create Vinland . Season one is the prolog . The point of Vinland Saga is to get to Vinland and try creating it . Even season one implied this , when we are introduced to Thorfinn's father, Thors.

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

​​@@OctavianAsix Thors tries to get through to 5 year old Thorfinn in season 1 that there's no point to bloodshed or having enemies, but since Thorfinn was just a child and the society he lives in romanrizes and glorifies violence, Thorfinn can't comprehend what his father meant. He dosen't listen to his father's words. Thorfinn ends up falling down the same dark path the past Thors had , by killing so many fathers, sons, and brothers /innocences. Thorfinn as a youth in season 1 was not able to see the wise words his changed father was trying to express to him. Thors wanted better for Thorfinn. Thors didn't want Thorfinn to fall down the wrong path like he had in his past, the past him, before he had his childern and wife. When he had his first child and wife, he started to realize he had something to protect . He realized how truly valuable life is . So much so, Thors didn't want to be apart of that life anymore. So he deserted and went to Iceland with his family.

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

​@@OctavianAsix Dawg Demon Slayer is mainstream no offense. What do you mean lol? Not enough people gave Vinland Saga season 2 a chance, season 2 is great, but everyone dog piled on it for not being what they wanted it to be. It has great writting and great characters. However, alot of people hating on Vinland Saga S2 were never into or interested in a story like Vinland Saga in the first place . Which is rich how so many people seem to not understand that season 1 has the same themes as season 2. It just further expanded upon said themes in season 2. Even Askeladd hated Vikings and didn't like war, but due to his circumstances and his anger he became the very thing he hated "Vikings ".

[@foregroundeclipse8725]

​​@@OctavianAsix If anything Vinland Saga season 2 is extremely underrated. Not enough people talk about this Anime either. I hear more people talk about Demon Slayer, Chainsawman (etc) constantly more than Vinland Saga. Vinland Saga definitely isn't mainstream and it doesn't get enough recognition unfortunately. Which is a shame, because it's wonderfully written. Not trying to be cynical here, but I believe Vinland Saga is more deserving of some of the spot light than Demon Slayer. Demon Slayer hogs all the spot light from other Anime .

[@liamhanna8517]

What a great show, so glad to see you guys appreciate it as much as we do.

[@PentragonCosplay]

Considering the medicine they had back then Arnheid had no chance. Her unborn child died and normally the body would push out dead „material“. But she was so beaten that I am not sure her body was still able to do that. So the baby would have stayed inside her and leading to blood poisoning. It is so sad but she would have died anyways, even if she would have survived the injuries.

[@senbujohns4489]

I like to believe that Leif recognized Thors when Thorfinn said he should make it back alive. Maybe he gained the same confidence he had whenever Thors was in similar situations 😊

[@GrowingDownUnder]

When you think about it...all this happened because of Askeladd. Thorfinn turned bad because of Askeladd, Canute turned bad because of Askeladd. And Ketil was protected by the former king, who was killed by Canute so Ketil losing his protection and wealth is because of Askeladd too. It all comes from Askeladd. Arnheim could've been saved if it wasn't for Askeladd because Ketil wouldn't have gone crazy

[@ArtesMatt]

The way Canute spoke when he saw Thorgil running away. It seemed to me that Canute would really like to give vent to so much power and commitment from a warrior.

[@probablystoned]

this show never fails to give me that emotional pit feeling in my stomach lol.

[@ArtesMatt]

Arnheid asking why he must live, just like Thorfinn did at the beginning of the ascent of the peak... Harmonic narrative.

[@SubhaGojo]

I can hear Carlie laugh like Thorgil all day

[@اميرمادرا]

😂

[@jonathanresurreccion2995]

14:46 Yup...This is the first step Thorfinn is taking to atone for his sins from Season 1...Not a lot of reactors get this..This is what Thorfinn meant when he said swearing of violence isn't enough at episode 15.

[@akasa8jp]

Ahhh NEXT! Episode 21&22 are best peak episode!!!!

[@Ash_Wen-li]

23?

[@yahirherrera2573]

11:10, that moment, is just peak

[@ilhamadigunawan5264]

pain indeed

[@اميرمادرا]

Thirteen is good man l feel sad for them all killing each other ‏‪2:40‬‏

[@ArtesMatt]

I find it slightly amusing when I hear people say that Arnheid loved Einar. It was just an illusion of Einar's boy, the kind that many have at school for the most beautiful girl in school. He at school/farm and didn't declare himself until the last year of studies. Hopefully in the future our big boy will learn more about showing his feelings as well as understanding women.

[@OctavianAsix]

Much like the hs crush She was just a harlot... Pregnant by some dude, having a full husband running around, making googly eyes and weird statements to einar, DIRECTLY responsible for 5deaths plus her own kid, plus the one she was carrying😒SMFH Repeat after me 🎶🎵 don't save her🎵🎶SHE DON'T WANNA BE SAVED🎶🎵🎶

[@xel1673]

Thorgil employs his favorite attack once again: eye gouge!

[@AJCoCoQueen]

Pain. Period. Vinland Saga is so goated

[@Ash_Wen-li]

As George Lucas once said, "It's like poetry; it rhymes"

[@ArtesMatt]

13:50 - I think its Canute voice

[@HK-fq8vw]

Thorfinn seems like Batman and Leif seems like the chamberlain of Batman. What he only wants is to set him safe. But what he wants is to save more life. He don’t want him to go but he has to go.

[@mikhailpersad1208]

The next few episodes are gonna be epic

[@OctavianAsix]

I hope so, so far it's the most boring anime I ever sat through Just have to finish it so I can have an informed opinion S1 was 8/10 S2 up to ep 20 is 0.75/10 for effort

[@abdullahbhatti3874]

The shonen big 3 (Naruto,one peice and bleach)has a lot of action while seienn big 3 (berserk, vegabond, Vinland saga)has a lot of action with amazing story

[@OctavianAsix]

No action in vinland season 2

[@FRIEND-fe1gr]

What a fucking story man

[@Brothersoldiers]

painland saga lol

[@rockyestolano9275]

Do u guys plan on watching bloodhounds from netflix

[@ArtesMatt]

Violent Saga

[@ArtesMatt]

Ketil having also killed his own son is something very heavy, I'm sure that maybe he really just wants to die soon.

[@OctavianAsix]

What son?

[@naisogad]

What do you think about Thorfinn, if we don't have season 2? Let say your family got murdered by him, without knowing the future that he will change, would you say that is his true colors? I would say Thorfinn and Ketil shared the same situation where they lost almost everything and snapped, and did horrible things. It just that we are now seeing S1 for Ketil and S2 for Thorfinn, if that makes sense, to be fair we won't know if Ketil will have his redemption or not, with that said, I won't go so hard with Ketil as we did with Thorfinn.

[@ArtesMatt]

9:50 - The audio director's cowardice in this scene is unbelievable.

[@youyu1710]

fairy tail openings reaction please 😊

[@1Manda1]

I still like Ketil. You have to think about this character in historical context. He is a slave owner that gave freedom to alot of slaves, just that makes him special for his time. Him fighting and going crazy after losing everything does justify his actions, but what else would anyone else have done, its the most human reaction to losing what you have and the real primate would come out no matter the person. He will learn and become a better person, or maybe a drunk old man we will see.

[@اميرمادرا]

Yes but beating poor woman is not ok

[@kairostimeYT]

To put it simply, what he did is wrong but he had solid motives.

[@dariohenriquez7773]

he is a tragic character and probably will regret for the rest of his life. doesn't bring back arnheid and everyone who died tho he is weak and a coward and it's character shows how dangerous it is to have in charge

[@marti9734]

raping a woman for 5 years without developing real feelings for her even though she is beautiful and nice and still not giving SHIT ABOUT HER FEELINGS its a RED FLAG.... just so you know

[@1Manda1]

@@اميرمادرا No its not 100% agree. But black and white judgment on humans is not fair. I am just saying I dont support totaly hating the characte. Try to think of him as someone who can grow from just like Thorfin. To also not deny how good of a person he was before everything to come crumbling down on him. He is exeptionaly good for his time. For someone to not abuse his power for this long is commendable.Just look at the neigbouring farm and what they did to Arnheid's husband.

[@ArtesMatt]

Imagine a housewife, who uses her husband, children and servants to defend her home and keep everything safe. Is she an idiot, a piece of shit, or just another human on earth trying to ensure her safety. Somehow I see something deeper in this war, even with certain defeat. This is one of the greatest values of our society, to kill yourself for the greater good. It is a pity that all the heroism of those who are defending his property and his, here is on the more morbid and disgusting side. Still, it's interesting to appreciate all prisms.