Paladins of the West Kingdom - GameNight! Se7 Ep37 - How to Play and Playthrough

[@Jootie_de_Kop]

Dave did a really good job (as always) explaining this rather complex game. After watching this playthrough consulting the rulebook was just a formality rather than a time-consuming torture. Thanks for making my life easier. Cheers!

[@RexMontis71]

When playing follow this order: 1) Place workers 2) Check attribute level 3) Pay cost (if applies) 4) Complete action 5) Raise attribute marker ( if applies) 6) Gain townsfolk rewards (if applies) This really helps to prevent forgetting something.

[@_arkoner_2274]

Do you get the townsfolk reward immediatly or after you done the action, for example i needed exactly the 1 coin for that action and i only get it from the townsfolk, can i still do the action?

[@REV1517]

I just want to thank everyone involved making these videos. It helps so much to learn new games. Everyone is very entertaining to watch and brings life to the table. You have brought me back into the hobby with all the episodes. On a personal note it has help my anxiety and depression by getting back into board games. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart.

[@JeanDubuc]

I appreciate the close up camera on personal boards. Especially for a game like this one

[@AndreasKungl]

The production is nicely done as always. I would really like to know about the gear that is used for making these videos just in case I finally can get my head around starting my own YT production.

[@kingcrafter877]

Finally, someone did a high quality playthrough of this game.

[@Fanofboardgames]

King crafter Solomode games does a brilliant video against the Solo AI, but obviously understand that doesn’t give the feel of the four player game.

[@SASReacts]

I love this game and have watched you all play it a few times now. Funny how Nikki's feedback actually highlights changes made to the game via expansions. Always love Game Night. You are a comfort channel to me and it's not just about the games. Nikki's insights to games ring true from the perspective of the gamers who might not min max and want the joy from the game more than the win. Yet it's so easy to root for her, and I subconsciously find myself doing so often. Lincoln brings humor (keep up the puns) and I enjoy your sportsmanship. You recognize when going for a move will be good for you but terrible for someone else and try to take an alternative approach if you can. Dave has taught me how to teach games better in my own group. He also approaches games sometimes with the "well let's see if this is a valid strategy" and I appreciate seeing that. Long story short, thanks BGG fam and especially the Game Night Series. I wouldn't be the gamer I am without you.

[@boardgamegeek]

Wow! Thank you so much for the kind words. We are so happy that you enjoy the show and invest so much of your time and attention. Have a wonderful holiday season and New Year! -Lincoln

[@WitsEnd_MF]

I love when Candice joins!

[@boardgamegeek]

We do too!

[@jenniferschlickbernd6280]

Good to see Candice!

[@pipos193]

Her enthusiasm was refreshing

[@kirstenfilmer1528]

Still love coming back to this playthrough and re-watching it. Esp for Nikki's very quite little 'Done. End of line.' (1:29:37).

[@kingxerocole4616]

I've played this game quite a bit, but I still enjoy watching it being played. It's such an enjoyable button-pushing game to me.

[@phpFreNZy]

Dave didn't pay for his recruit at 41:55 Nikki should've got 2 faith bump at 42:25 The Peddler should've been discarded at the start of the 2nd round yeah the game is a lot to take at 1st play. I too was a bit overwhelmed

[@SasquatchChief]

Suryo S I also believe when Lincoln pulled a 2 tax suspicion card when there was only one coin left, he would get just the one coin. Dave gave him the one tax coin and another from the bank. This is why you resolve one card at a time.

[@phpFreNZy]

@@SasquatchChief the rulebook says if theres not enough coin from tax, take the rest from the supply (page 22). but yes, suspicion cards are resolved one by one

[@mikesied]

@@phpFreNZy nikki also didnt pay one coin for that absolve action

[@Esbenrahr]

Yeah and Nicki could've converted the one she wanted she should've have had the 2 faith...

[@Jindorek]

@@Esbenrahr yeah it really concerns me how bothered I got about NO ONE NOTICING she should have had one more faith the WHOLE GAME! :)

[@gabrieldospinescu5302]

Thank you for this playthrough. Despite of little mistakes done, it's a great material to learn the game easily. I'm done one at home trying to learn the rules, and I've maked some mistakes that I repaired looking your video (ex: when praying I took back my meeples and play them again, forgot to take a villager for free in the begin of the game). Thank you again!!!!

[@chriselbers3771]

What a great explanation of this game. I only had to watch this video once to understand the game. In the meantime I have also purchased the game and will explain it exactly the same to my fellow players as Dave did in the video! thank you

[@SASReacts]

Great game! I've been playing it nonstop recently. It's so easy to make little mistakes when it comes to all the bonuses and special abilities. Really enjoyed the playthrough 👍

[@Fanofboardgames]

Me too! Absolutely adore it.

[@MeepleMentor]

I had a lot of fun with this game! And, having the chance to interview Shem Phillips was amazing! Glad to see it played!

[@dragonzord6615]

Listening to the rules explanation and all the stuff made it feel super overwhelming... But by the first turn was complete this all made sense. It's such a simple and intuitive looking game, once you get past the scary initial look!

[@JackieFox1976]

Oooh, I want to play this now!

[@nigelgraves174]

This was great! I was so impressed with how you presented the game in your video that I ordered a copy almost immediately: my wife and I played our first game this weekend and really enjoyed it. Thanks so much for sharing!

[@nuuqbgg]

Play it. It goes smooth from turn 2-3. the thing I do when I teach this game is we play two rounds, then reset, and play for real. It works with all heavy euros I teach.

[@michaeldarling7169]

Just give Lincoln a t-shirt with "MJ" written on it -- because he is the King of Pop (Culture)! LOL. We have had Architects for a while and now we're excited for Paladins! Thanks for the great explanation and gameplay. It is complicated -- but worth it! Can Viscounts be far behind???

[@lgmhorus]

Glad to see this game here. REally great game, but seems a bit on the heavier side that GameNight plays.

[@MrSkarfacex]

great game. Would love to see your group play the other two games of the West Kingdom series. For myself I hope to complete the series with Christmas so I can start the Tomesaga.

[@TemujinReads]

Now this is a surprise! I didn't expect Paladins to get played here. I'll have to check this one out!

[@Fanofboardgames]

Temujin it’s such an awesome game!!!

[@gspotgregg967]

Why. This is a board game channel. Loser.

[@pigbobman]

Love this game.

[@spiozke]

Oh, Candice is so sweet! Good game, guys!

[@msmilder25]

An Amerithrash face on a Euro game. Nice pretty artwork and cards, on what is really just a solitaire cube pusher with zero player interaction (aside from racing to take a few cards). You CANNOT play rounds fast...the faster you play your turn, the more likely you are to miss a cost or payment...I would love to try this out...as an app...where the machine keeps tabs on all the give and take. But, way too many moving parts in a real-world board game for my tastes. How I would explain the game...it's like if you take Lords of Waterdeep, but every time to you use an agent you get resources, then you get more resources when you actually place the agent at a space and doing that action MIGHT get you an additional action or extra resources. It's way too many "get something AND get something"..."pay and get something AND get something"..."pay and get something, then get a card, which gets you this, that, AND this if you pay that"...ugh. ...I'm not joking. As I typed that, Dave's turn (1:12:07)...watch Dave's hands on the top down camera...he commissioned...payed a provision...put his black meeple on the big board...that got him a thing...and because he had that card, he got a white meeple...and a coin from there...and a coin from here...and he gets a bump in faith there...one action, with seven actions triggered by that one action...and that was just one random turn that happened to be playing out. It's not exactly a game dripping in theme...it's a group solitaire cube pusher, plain and simple.

[@chuckm1961]

msmilder25 There is interaction with regard to the Inquisition. There is interaction with placing meeples on the worker placement spaces on the center board. There is interaction in racing to the spaces for placing the red buildings and black meeples. You play a paladin, acquiring and using faith, influence and strength. Just because these folks ignored the theme does not mean the game lacks it.

[@Fanofboardgames]

It is a Worker investment, Engine building game...so, getting to do 7 things from one worker placement action is the whole point. I’m not disagreeing with your views...ultimately that’s your choice, but it’s definitely got interaction and it is enjoyable.

[@jirayu1424]

Great how to play & playthrough vdo Thank so much

[@alexblake5828]

This game is EXTREMELY fiddly, so I can totally relate to the amount of rules goofs, revisions, and late corrections. However, I love the quality of this playthrough with the individual cams for each player board. Great job!

[@stephenadmire]

I kept hearing, "You built a wall so you get a white walker."

[@franchello1105]

42:46 Nikki was suppose to gain 2 Faith. 1 for removing the 0 pot and 1 as the bonus she chose.

[@SWholley]

I don’t think she paid her coin either.

[@SWholley]

Oh, she did right after!

[@RexMontis71]

Nikki's mercenaries we're each worth 4 points each not 3 points each. One point each plus one point for each mercenary 1+(3x1)=4.

[@jackiejlw5493]

LOL! 12 minutes in and Lincoln is on a roll with the jokes. 'Smoooooooth Criminal' and 'Purker' are my favorites so far. Poor Dave trying to wrangle the cats and explain this game! We spent probably 2 hours pouring over the instructions and doing our own practice round before actually playing and it still took 2 full playthroughs to remember all the rules. Nonetheless, our favorite game to play right now.

[@improg]

Nikki "I'm going to have to do the wild thing again." Candace "This is a family show." HA HA HA HA!

[@asdanilenko]

@BoardGameGeek the amazon link in the description is for Architects, not Paladins

[@boardgamegeek]

Thanks, I'm not sure how that happened.-Lincoln

[@improg]

"And if you have a fountain, you can do the fountain joke." HA HA HA HA!

[@Ronindennis]

To those who find this convoluted or overly complex or clunky, it is basically an engine/worker placement game with more options and more inter-related possibilities. To me, the genius of this game begins to shine once you have a few plays in and begin to recognize patters and the paths other plays are taking. It's definately not for everyone, but the same goes for a game like Scythe, which to many people also seems too complex until you get a grip on the possible engines. It takes a few plays to 'get it'. So don't write it off too easily or you might miss out on a fantastic experience.

[@KevinGalbraith]

Wooooot, Candice is back! \(^O^)/. I like all the Shem Phillips games. I think Architects is the best so far, but I've yet to play this.

[@irwincohen6712]

This is an excellent game. There is a bunch of upkeep, but it is fairly easy to check every once in a while to ensure you strengths are all correct. Lots of cook interlocking mechanisms. Highly recommend people try this game.

[@mikesied]

immediately after the flag warning us that Candice did not pay a provision to garrison, Dave did not pay a required coin to recruit. This wasnt fixed later. :)

[@boardgamegeek]

Thanks for pointing that out. We try to catch the mistakes but it is hard, even when editing. -Lincoln

[@alimaleki6512]

I hope see in future vicounts of the west kingdom stream.

[@HockeyGuy82128]

For the meeple bowls were they the large or small size from the BBG store?

[@WitsEnd_MF]

large.

[@WitsEnd_MF]

actually now that I say that Im not sure, and I own both sizes! lol. Now these are looking small to me.

[@rattenusrattoonus1880]

25:22 rounded down means 1 divided by 2 = 0.5, rounded down to 0 not 1 right?

[@SpaceExplorer]

what a pleasant enjoyable time!

[@Fighterfan69]

I didn't know you can take meeples off any of the spots with the pray action. Lincoln did that with develop around 58:30. I thought that you did for the main actions(Garrison, Convert, Commission, etc.) hmm good to know.

[@Fanofboardgames]

Fighterfan69 Pray is for any space on your board 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@Auricom45]

I think this might be me, but the person explaining the rules has the patience of a saint. If I was always interrupted with a joke when I'm explaining the rules, I'd probably get a bit upset.

[@watzimagiga]

They are friends and it's a youtube video for entertainment.

[@cacothiago]

Haven't you played Architetcs of The West Kingdom?

[@Fanofboardgames]

So happy to see you guys playing this game!!! My favourite game ever...and has removed my need to buy games. 😀

[@vichganesh]

So many musical puns. 😄

[@pequadcob2009]

Lols, at 55:00, they should have just started over and cut out the oopses. We've all had those moments where so many things are messed up that we should start over.

[@Caporai]

That was alot of Inquisition in this game, and no Squire Townsfolk came up. It was easy for you to track the Strength/Faith/Influence bump, but if Squire bonus and Kings action that gives the bump, it would've been harder. The Absolve action that most player usually forget is the Influence point requirement, plus the removal of suspicious card.

[@JaugerPlays]

44:41 "Debt is not necessarily as bad as you think it is." Dave must be a banker...

[@JaugerPlays]

53:33 "I bet we all wish we had a debt now." Yep, definitely.

[@user-yr5nv2gv7m]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitaine (from Occitan from latin 'occidens') en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrasia (from germanic 'ostr')

[@dangerousbeans2907]

Candice!

[@NikkiWirawan]

Thanks for the great play through, It does look fiddly, but overall I would love to try the game

[@alexmrkonjic3138]

at 1:07:38 some of them got a debt why did that happen? I got a little confused by that part

[@babyrne78]

When the inquisition happens everyone counts how many suspicion (purple) cards they have. Whoever has the most cards gets a debt. Here three of the four had equal amounts of purple cards so those three people each gained a debt.

[@Johan_g]

57:00 She did have two faith.

[@SCAW1972]

What brand of collapsible components bowls are those?

[@commentissuperfluous1735]

they repeatedly ignored their influence level when absolving. nice play through though (as always)!

[@AndreasKungl]

That was distorting the game quite a bit.

[@garg064]

Does the temporary influence from the paladins considered for absolving? Or only the ones on the left side of the board?

[@joaorobalo7594]

@@garg064 The paladins' influence always matters in the turn in which you play them. So if you have 3 blue influence and your paladin gives you 1 blue influence, then you can take a 4 blue influence cost absolve action.

[@zaksawyer6364]

Nikki should have moved her faith up 2x in the first round bc she gained one for moving the blue jug then one more for placing the blue jug on the empty slot

[@chriselbers3771]

And she didn't pay a coin to absolve

[@kaincoughlin8698]

Fast Sloths... in outter Space. It's a win win.

[@ThalesTerra]

why did they switch cards at 06:30

[@michaeldarling7169]

While each of the paladin sets has the same characters, the background art behind them is different, and each player board has different art on the paladin's area as well. Nikki and Candice traded sets so that the art on their cards would match their boards. Didn't make a difference to the playthrough, but I would have traded too!

[@joshmc3667]

Shouldn't Nikki have had 2 black faith from the beginning?

[@lukozi01]

As I understood the rules, all players should choose their paladins first and only then should everyone choose a tavern card. I guess that makes sense because it gives players chanse to mess up other players strategy. I see that here every player chose a tavern card before the next player chose their paladin... Can someone comment on this, please? Thank you!

[@imjoshellis]

Looks way too convoluted (aka: the opposite of elegant) for my tastes. Costs and benefits to keep track of all over the place -- on your board, on the central board, on cards on the side of your board, on cards tucked at the bottom of your board, on the card ON your board. No wonder they made more mistakes than I've ever seen them make in a GameNight episode... Interesting watch, but I'll probably pass if ever given the opportunity to play.

[@kenrickcarlsonkeh191]

People who played it in my group love this game from first play. It will make sense when it is clearly explained and once you play it.

[@imjoshellis]

​@@kenrickcarlsonkeh191 I'm not saying it doesn't/wouldn't make sense (I watched the video, it all makes sense). I'm saying it's almost definitely too much all-over-the-place tracking for my tastes. I'm also not even saying there isn't an interesting/fun game here. I can see how/why people would like it, and I'm happy for those that like it! For me, when games are this all-over-the-place, I'd rather play a video game and let the computer handle all the tracking. I want board games to be a test of my ability to strategize and adapt, not my ability to keep track of a bunch of interactions/costs/benefits all over the table.

[@stevegeorge7773]

It sure is a heavy game, that’s for sure. As are Vital Lacerda or Phil Eckland games. There are games for all types of players, it’s just not YOUR stick.

[@imjoshellis]

@@stevegeorge7773 ​ Yes, definitely -- the heavier games that I've enjoyed are much better about keeping their fiddliness to a minimum and better at presenting relevant information to the players in a consolidated way. As I said, give me a game that tests my ability to plan/adapt, NOT a game that tests my ability to remember every random little icon strewn across a bunch of boards/cards on the table.

[@PentaHousen]

@@stevegeorge7773 I would call it rather mid weight euro game. Not even compared to obtuse desgin of Phil Enklund games. @imjoshellis i disagree with your concern that you need to remember bunch of icons to play it rather than planning. Icons are basic and more of them are resources and actions that you gain. It all goes down to how you use them to gain most vp, so it have some plan/adapt. After 1 game you understand most of them and you don't have problem to identify some using basic logic. Not game for me tho.

[@bailarin8282]

Didn't know Dave was German! ;)

[@kittykatgaming8296]

Nikki should have had a 2 faith bump on her first turn, not 1. Because she got 1 by removing the first blue thingy, and got one for using it when she covered a black faith space. Either that or I’m not understanding the rewards you get for uncovering things 😬 Which then screwed up her second round when she couldn’t get the guy she wanted because she thought she didn’t have enough faith, but she really did! Makes me so sad no one caught that! It was a small thing that slowly snowballs outta control.

[@hxjdjdn6236]

Same 😢

[@guillermoz4914]

Does anyone know how this plays with 2 players and how long it takes? Thanx

[@gabrieldospinescu5302]

With 2 players the game is the same as the 3 or 4 (only the spots for commishioning and garrisons are fewer - 2 less for each level of faith/strength). For the time played it dipends really on players, how long they take to play each turn... But normally, with a normal peace, you can finish in 45 min I guess with the players who knows the rules.

[@mastermui4331]

Zznice video guys nice game from Shem in NZ

[@michaelrosted2999]

"Hey Abbot" "Hi" "Hey Abbot" "Hey" "Hey Abbot" "Hello" "HeYii Abbeeeet!!!" "I HATE that guy"

[@azza002]

Anyone know where to buy those bowls they used to hold the meeples?

[@matthewharris-levesque5809]

Assuming they came with the game, but you can make them easily yourself if feeling a bit creative. I did, immediately upon seeing the vid. Go to your local dollar store and get the rolls of squishy stuff they sell as shelf liners. Cut a rectangle or square and sew the corners up... Done.

[@boardgamegeek]

You can get them from the BoardGameGeek Store here: boardgamegeekstore.com/collections/accessories/products/bgg-folding-bit-bowls -Lincoln

[@Fanofboardgames]

Matthew Harris-Levesque they don’t come with the game

[@mortenfriis]

Lol, 4 (double!) ads before I'm 10 mins into the video - really?!?? Guess this is the last time I'm checking out your channel. Barely 1/3 through the intro - are you kidding me??? 😄

[@boardgamegeek]

Wow that's ridiculous, thanks for pointing that out. KZbin's auto placement has gone overboard recently. I will go in and manage it myself. Thanks again.-Lincoln

[@smarcell97]

Great game, but definitely a harder one. It can make headaches not just during the game itself, but after it, when you try to fix everything back into the box! Seriously, does anybody have a pro solution, how to fix everything back into the box without any extra insert things, so next time the setup could be easier as well?

[@Fanofboardgames]

Great question, Tom Teaches has a great “make your own” solution of tuck boxes that contain the cards and player pieces.

[@Fanofboardgames]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWLFfJiln8umj5I

[@gabrieldospinescu5302]

I'm working on an insert. But you want a insert-free solution. What I'm doing (waiting to finish my insert) is using zip bags for everything (even for cards) and all fit inside very well, but you need zipped bags with a fitting size to not loose too much space space

[@Cons2911]

This or viscounts?

[@boardgamegeek]

Why not both? ;-) I really enjoy them both.-Lincoln

[@Cons2911]

@@boardgamegeek I think paladin is a tad too big for our table. I’ll stick with viscounts. Thanks

[@Cons2911]

@@boardgamegeek actually this is not good. I’m new to this and I want to buy a lot of them

[@micheladax]

Same problem with terraforming mars, probably worst, it's a mess to keep track of everything, i guess i will pass this game.

[@blarneystone38]

This was kind of a bummer for me. I thought Architects was a really great game - a clever twist on the usual worker placement, and fairly elegant and easy to teach. Unfortunately this seems to have jumped into the deep end of the current kitchen-sink Eurogame ethos. I'm sure there are some who'll love it but don't think it's for me

[@TheHeater2121]

think she had 2 faith at that time

[@thynarrowroad]

This game is the antithesis of smooth. Architects is fast and smooth and is easy so teach. This game is dare I say is fiddly, clunky and just loses the theme due to being overly mechanical. I was HUGELY disappointed by this game.

[@gabrieldospinescu5302]

I didn't say that this game is a dissapointing. It's true that is more complicated than Architects, but I like this difficulty. Firsts games are a bit difficults 'cause we aren't used with all specs (what we need to pay, what we're allowed to do by the level of our traits) and we need to pay attention of all players in order to avoid errors, but after 3-4 games, everything will be smoother. I love the Scythe style of upgrading actions and traits. And finally, if we start the game explanation as a history and rely this with actions we supposed to do, and pointing on the board the corresponding places, I think we can make a better understaning of the game. Generaly, when I start to learn a game, if it's a difficult game, that's what I'm doing. I make a game rules resume, on a 2 pages A4 to have a better and understanding rules explanation.

[@floridagirlr6648]

My ADD prevents me from playing games that take over 20 minutes to explain...

[@spaztekwarrior]

That’s too bad. You’d be missing out on some seriously good games.

[@stevegeorge7773]

There is so many mistakes in this play of this.

[@gspotgregg967]

I can't help but think of Lincoln as King Swinger and each broad is one of his sex companions