Paley's Sandcastle argument

[@fredwoods-o3g]

And God has yet to assemble a pocket watch without human intervention.

[@Fletch.]

Honestly, he's yet do do anything 😅

[@charlessarver1637]

Very true

[@JustifiedNonetheless]

Why fight bad logic with _more_ bad logic?

[@littlefurrow2437]

​@@JustifiedNonetheless turtles are helmets

[@vestafreyja]

What I think is telling is that Yahweh can not do anything that it's Bronze Age creators could not imagine. It's almost like Yahweh is a creation of man and NOT the other way around.

[@somersetcace1]

"I'm being logical!" - "No, you're defending the faith." - That pretty much sums it up.

[@nrellis666]

Complexity isn't an indication of design, but simplicity is. EDIT: unless the designer is an idiot

[@DeconvertedMan]

I just yelled that at a creationist. :D

[@vestafreyja]

@@DeconvertedMan Based upon how poorly humans are designed I'm leaning towards that the designer is an evil deity although not discounting the possibility the designer was last in his class for creator deities. He should have been held back and forced to repeat the design class.

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Or German

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@vestafreyja who the bleep puts a waste disposal inside of and next to an amusement park?!

[@thedave1771]

To be honest, “unless the designer is an idiot” is just about the best evidence for god yet.

[@machineelf9459]

I just want to thank you, Aron, for your contributions to humanity. I frequently quote your saying “if you can’t show it, you don’t know it”. Your words have shaped the minds of a new generation and we love you.

[@preflex3502]

It comes from the definition of knowledge as "justified true belief", a definition commonly attributed to Plato. Thus, if a belief lacks justification (the ability to show it), it cannot be classified as knowledge, even if it happens to be true.

[@machineelf9459]

@@preflex3502 ah that makes sense. Alex O’Conner made a video on that and how that definition doesn’t hold up in all cases. But the sentiment is very useful for basic epistemology

[@preflex3502]

@@machineelf9459 "Useful" is a generous way of describing most of Plato's ideas, and often it's far too generous. "Far too generous" is also how I often describe Mr. O'Connor's remarks, However, I understand that he needs to be very generous in order to get high-profile cowards to talk to him. In this case, I think it's appropriate. It's not perfect, but it's a good heuristic as it covers seemingly everything except contrived edge-cases. Also, the "ability to justify" and "ability to demonstrate" aren't exactly the same thing, but the distinction is rarely meaningful.

[@julians9763]

@@preflex3502 I strongly agree, if you can't show it, you don't know it. Before we explain anything, it is better to find the explanation. If a question is difficult to answer, write it down and seek the answer. You might come across more than one answer.

[@Xenophon122088]

For real. That's why I'm on Aron's Patrion account.

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

And yet it seems God always needs hunans to help with everything.

[@page8301]

He needs their money a lot as well. Just ask Kenneth Copeland!

[@hecasmith5717]

Thanks for all you do! Your "Systematic clarification of life" series was the first step on kicking me out of young earth creationism and the faith completely. Keep up the awesome work. You're making a difference.

[@twonumber22]

Foundational Falsehoods is great, too. You can even get it in print.

[@cymrych79]

​@@twonumber22And in audiobook format!

[@twonumber22]

@@cymrych79 oh I was unaware of that

[@cymrych79]

@@twonumber22 I got it on Audible, not sure if it's available elsewhere. Narrated by Aron, too.

[@oliverthompson9922]

It's a brilliant series. I wish it had more recognition.

[@featheredskeptic1301]

If the sand castle is a creation, and the beach is a creation, and the sea, sky, and the whole Universe are creations, how does he tell the sand castle apart from anything else? When you see something like that on the beach you aren't looking for characteristics of a creation, you're looking for the characteristics of artificiality.

[@publicutility]

It's all in the head. Some mentalities aren't evolved sufficiently to be rational, logical, realistic. Literally often nothing but a source of self esteem.

[@oliverthompson9922]

Exactly, the argument is entirely self defeating and just an admission that we can tell the difference between designed things and natural things.

[@GizmoBeach]

Obviously fiddler crabs have finally evolved to create intricate sand castles, and once finished they quickly hid to avoid detection and mess with us, snickering at our confusion…plain as day.

[@meltdown6165]

Creationists never came up with a stringent definition what counts as "designed". So their theory is untestable.

[@RedKincaid]

Had a nightmare about church last night for the first time in years and woke up to this. Thanks Aron ❤

[@weirdmonkeyfish]

Had to rewind the beginning, because I was distracted deciphering your shirt. :)

[@graydanerasmussen4071]

Our brains are pattern seeking machines. The fact that we are (I assume you deciphered it) able to read this proves it. :D

[@romazone101]

Didn`t notice the cipher until I read this. Thanks!

[@shalltear159]

if I saw a sandcastle on the beach, I would assume someone made it. if it was well known around the world that countless sandcastles appear on beaches, whether there are people there or not, I would not be able to justify the previous assumption.

[@AngryBird___]

Also the difference is that we have an enormous amount of evidence that humans created sandcastles, yet no evidence that god created anything. Let alone exists

[@EdwardHowton]

It's worse than merely "countless sandcastles appear on beaches"; creationism is the belief that literally everything is a "sandcastle". The watch Paley first suggested is just as signed as some random chunk of granite you might pick up on the ground. If the "design" argument held any water at all, it would invalidate itself because it would be impossible to point to something _not_ designed in order to make a comparison in the first place. Paley's argument is so utterly shit it debunks itself in its own premise, and here's Dutko plagiarizing it like it's his trump card. Guy's a joke.

[@GizmoBeach]

Why doesn’t he assume God made a sand castle for him to admire? Is that too far-fetched or something? 🤪

[@maboulofob]

I'm here for the whole ride Aron. I'm french and I sometimes exchange emails with a member of my partner's family who's an english speaker and also a YEC. These videos help me a ton to phrase my thoughts and bring better arguments. Like Prof Dave's channel. Thanks for the work

[@laurajarrell6187]

Aron, you put them out, I'll watch them. 👍🏼🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌🏼

[@G-ShaRP-02]

Isn't he a fucking G. Funny educated and has hell of a head of hair

[@DeconvertedMan]

yay laura!

[@SleepingGiant66]

Intelligence is the abilty to adapt to change... cool t-shirt

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Complexity and design absolutely do happen on their own. We are constantly observing it everywhere.

[@OmniphonProductions]

I keep coming back to a thought experiment I came up with several years ago. "My cousin French kissed the Queen of England while bungee jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge." You can't prove it _didn't_ happen, and I can present more than a dozen individually accurate data points in a way the _appears_ to support the assertion. However, based on mountains of _other_ available, relevant data, only a _fool_ would accept the claim, no matter how masterfully I presented my case. Such is the situation with the supernatural. One can always find data points to support one's beliefs, but only _willful ignorance_ of all the other relevant data...and reliance on numerous logical fallacies...can maintain them.

[@thedave1771]

I saw it, so it totally really happened. The queen was wearing a lovely teal outfit, with a stunning broach.

[@JebusHypocristosX]

@@thedave1771 I am going to write inaccurately about what you saw in about 40 years, so people can get an accurate accounting of the event.

[@thedave1771]

@@JebusHypocristosX it’s really the best way to accurately preserve testimony.

[@JustifiedNonetheless]

@OmniphonProductions You're committing a definist's fallacy with regard to the term "supernatural." Most atheists do. I can only presume this is because they are regurgitating what the talking heads have said.

[@OmniphonProductions]

@@JustifiedNonetheless Well, I checked with Merriam Webster, Oxford, Cambridge, Britannica, American Heritage, Harper Collins, and Random House, so... If _your_ working definition of _supernatural_ doesn't encompass theistic belief, then _my_ Definist Fallacy is a manifestation of _your_ projection. In fact, show me any definition of _supernatural_ and/or _God_ that are not mutually entangled, and I will show you a textbook example of a Special Pleading and/or Sharp Shooter Fallacy. The word first appeared in the Middle Ages, when _Christians_ specifically included the _divine_ within their definition of _supernaturalis_ (Latin; literally meaning _above nature)._

[@warren52nz]

To state the obvious, if complexity requires a creator then if a god exists then it MUST have a creator too. Infinite regression. Logically impossible!

[@machineelf9459]

@@warren52nz good one!☝️

[@CheatahX]

In a theistic world view, everything was designed. That means there is no way to differentiate between things that are designed and things that are not, because nothing would be not designed.

[@glennmcdonnell8375]

OK so ... An all loving, all powerful, all knowing, omnipresent entity, conscious, intelligent, emotional, capable of not only conceiving a universe able to support life but also having the skill, tools and materials to bring such a realm into being, which came into being fully formed as the result of an uncaused event, is, somehow, less complicated than a universe coming into existence by natural processes over a long period of time? Who knew? Sheesh! I'll have a half of what he's drinking.

[@XPISigmaArt]

Ahh that's what my day was missing. Thanks for the upload!

[@brucebakken5687]

Really enjoying this series a lot.

[@NilodeRoock]

Once again, superb, AronRa. 😇.

[@BetaKrogoth]

Hi Aron, I just wanted to say how refreshing and enjoyable your work on this stuff is. I've been finding the sheer arrogance of modern apologetics really antagonising recently and its been very therapeutic to see you calmly dismantle this stuff. Thank you.

[@ApostateMike-41]

I never get tired of hearing you completely dismantle these religious nuts. Keep the videos coming Aron!

[@thephantomeagle2]

Love that shirt. If I weren’t on a budget I’d get one.

[@steinrogereliassen517]

Intelligence is the ability to adapt to changes… Nice 🤗 As always, great content. Thanks.

[@lyndonbeach2387]

1 kn3w 7h47 l0l

[@ziploc2000]

Stephen Hawking

[@mvPiss]

These are my favorite kind of Aron Ra videos, going almost sentence by sentence and showing how wrong some people can be when choosing belief over facts

[@G-ShaRP-02]

Aron freaking ra your the man!!!

[@Skeptic78]

I've been slacking. I'm behind, and I need to watch the ones before this. I'm off to do that now. Thanks, Aron. Your series are always on point.

[@thedave1771]

The best part about being behind is you have a new video the moment you want one, no waiting!

[@PinkyJay-bv2le]

I've learned more watching, and listening to Aron Ra, then I ever did in school.

[@antyteistapolskix3275]

Awesome t-shirt 😂thanks for another excellent video🎉🎉

[@cristinaeliseeva1082]

Hi Aron! It's always a pleasure listening to you! Please, people, keep supporting him so he can keep doing good content. Aron i promise as soon as i finish paying my debts i will become a patreon. I love you Aron you changed my life!❤❤❤

[@brunozeigerts6379]

As I've posted before, if my body was designed, I want to sue the designer.

[@phantomstarsx9343]

Yeah I've got a couple of complaints I'd like to file with the manufacturer.

[@tabularasa0606]

Of course I'll be here for the rest of the ride. I've seen every video you made since I first subscribed. The 2nd channel I subscribed to after making an account more than a decade ago.

[@volodyanarchist]

I teach programming. There is such a thing as "evolutionary algorithm", where you literally allow evolution to solve the problem that is difficult to solve by a predetermined algorithm.

[@meltdown6165]

The advantage of simulated evolution compared to other optimization techniques is that it does not get stuck in a local maxima as easily - it can break free and explore more of the phase space thanks to random mutations on the tried solutions.

[@volodyanarchist]

@@meltdown6165 One thing that it cannot do, is find small maxima, if those are smaller than the mutation rate, so it is usually good to rerun at different mutation rates, just in case. Unfortunately small mutations get stuck... So it is not a panacea, but is quite good. Be well.

[@Uriel238]

If we were to assume a creator intentionally created all the species, the screwfly alone would suggest that they have a cruel streak. And the various plagues would demonstrate outright malice, and disinterest in the development of social civilization. The Abrahamic traditions come from an age not just of a simple universe that believed in magic and spirits rather than cells and germs, but also a small universe in which Terra Firma was the center. Heliocentrism was a late-game addition, not to mention a timeline of thirteen billion years, and a visible universe that suggests the human species will only be able to touch a tiny portion in it's late arrival. Evidence shows the cosmos wasn't made for us. Imagine a moss under the bark of a Sequoia tree in central California that believed it was God's chosen. As absurd as that might initially feel, our proclamation and presumption that we human beings are God's chosen is only infinitesimally less so. We are not even the clay golems of a titan's fancy.

[@victorfinberg8595]

procedure taught in theist apologist boot camp: 1) start with a false (or null, or irrelevant) premise 2) blather for a while 3) assert "god am real"

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

Even if you could possibly rule out that a human built your sand castle, the only explanation required is, 1 an animal other than a human created it by some inprobable means, or 2. an extraterestrial. No timeless, spaceless, imaterial being is required.

[@vestafreyja]

If you want to talk about complexity as an indicator of design and of intelligence behind that design. Think of modeling the Frank Slide which occurred on April 29, 1903, at 4:10 a.m. on Turtle Mountain in the Crowsnest Pass, where approximately 30 million m3 (82+ million tons) of rock buried a portion of the town of Frank, killing more than 70 people in computer software. To make it a bit of a challenge you are going to model the starting position of each rock from it's starting position on Turtle Mountain thru all of it's movement down the slope to it's final resting position. I have a hunch that the complexity in the software program is going to be mind blowing and yet it is simply a natural process.

[@martinurbani]

Of course do I come along for the rest of the ride!

[@chesterdamolester6990]

Aron is the Light Bringer

[@gerriefarman3174]

Hey, as long as you keep making these videos I'll keep watching. I love to hear others' perspectives on these insane topics since my response to somebody saying this to me would be to question their sanity and if their parents repeatedly dropped them on their heads.

[@Cereal.interface]

information complexity changes as a quantity of entropy over time. This can be described using vector logic math for the origin. Vector Logic Math for the Origin In this context, the origin represents the initial state of the system. The vector logic math for the origin can be expressed as follows: O = (S0, T0) Where: * O: Represents the origin vector. * S0: Represents the initial state of the system. * T0: Represents the initial time. Entropy as a Quantity Entropy, denoted by H, is a measure of the disorder or uncertainty in a system. It can be quantified using various metrics, such as Shannon entropy or Boltzmann entropy. Entropy Over Time The change in entropy over time can be represented as a vector: ΔH = (H1 - H0, T1 - T0) Where: * ΔH: Represents the change in entropy vector. * H1: Represents the final state of the system. * H0: Represents the initial state of the system. * T1: Represents the final time. * T0: Represents the initial time. Combining Origin and Entropy The combination of the origin vector and the change in entropy vector can be represented as: O + ΔH = (S0 + (H1 - H0), T0 + (T1 - T0)) This equation represents the evolution of the system from its initial state to its final state, taking into account the change in entropy over time. Interpretation The vector logic math for the origin provides a mathematical framework for understanding how the information complexity of a system changes over time. The initial state of the system, represented by the origin vector, serves as a reference point. The change in entropy over time, represented by the change in entropy vector, quantifies the increase or decrease in disorder or uncertainty within the system. By combining the origin vector and the change in entropy vector, we can track the evolution of the system and analyze its information complexity at different points in time.

[@davidpersson250]

I love Arons voice

[@generyan2332]

It's apparent that that preacher couldn't design anything, because he's not smart enough. He's never going to be able to sit in a chair until a God creates it for him. He's never going to accept that only people are creators of chairs.

[@Monika77ful]

Nice.

[@publicutility]

The missing links for consideration. Mentality and end goal. Control, profit. Some are believers others are scientific. That's the root I think of the frustration. Love your content on these topics and really love the pure science. ✌💞💪 fellow rational earthlings 🎶🎤🎶💃🎶🥁🎶

[@AdLockhorst-bf8pz]

AronRa 😮‍💨 stop kicking down the silly man's sandcastle!

[@istvansipos9940]

Best. T-shirt. Ever.

[@gatorboymike]

"Man-made things are man-made, therefore non-man-made things are man-made, too. It's just that the man who made the non-man-made things is invisible, lives in a cloud castle, and hates everyone whose skin color, sexual preference and/or political views are different from mine."

[@maartenvanderzwan8281]

Even clocks evolved over time. From simple one handed ones the size of a small cow To a small very precise one with 3 hands and date functions. Everything evolves even tech.

[@beebob51]

Other than willful ignorance, people in general have absolutely no perception of the scale of time things work on. Time explains what religion ignores.

[@_equinox1689]

aron ra ur the goat

[@davidjohnson3913]

Love the shirt.

[@nancymoore8250]

... love the shirt ... 👍🏼

[@tianikane3312]

Thx Aron, once again, for cutting through all the bullshit.

[@Syrnian]

Simplicity is a hallmark of design, not complexity.

[@smappa849]

Believing that Bob Dutko would produce a meaningful and valid argument for creationism would take so much faith, that I might just need to turn to the Dutkologetics for scientific reassurance for my position. Still along for the ride, having once been brought up to believe these arguments, still hearing some of them used by relatives, watching these videos is some real good catharsis.

[@DeconvertedMan]

And lo, as I walked on the beach there was two sets of footprints, and I looked next to me, a large man was there. "Are... you....?" I said quietly. He smiled, "Yes, I am AronRa" "WOW..." I looked back, "Hey there was only one set of foot prints back there. Where did you go?" AronRa smiled, "That was when I rode you piggyback." "Oh." I said, "That why my back hurt." And then the whole beach became a giant lobster somehow. This all makes sense if you use bible """"""""""logic""""""""""" (not enough quotes in the universe)

[@DeconvertedMan]

4:01 watchmaker redux -_-;

[@missk1697]

When fan fiction meets lsd 💀

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@missk1697 I blame apologists.

[@daraghokane4236]

Ai Jordan Peaterson speach

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@daraghokane4236 I is not AI beep boop.

[@nicolanobili2113]

Is this just the first half of the series? My goodness! It's a sort of KZbin version of "The Guiding Light", presumably without a happy ending

[@rebeccazegstroo6786]

Natural selection over deep time is extremely powerful. Living things may have better time keepers than watches.

[@machineelf9459]

@@rebeccazegstroo6786 we see what deep time does to get us here, now think what deep time has in store for us? I see us becoming purely informational and extending that time infinitely even if we don’t develop FTL at all. The future will be glorious

[@rebeccazegstroo6786]

Optimism is a good thing.

[@machineelf9459]

@@rebeccazegstroo6786 it’s also logical given what we currently know and what history has shown so far.

[@matthewallen787]

Education vs indoctrination = freedom to your own assessment vs think as you’re told. Thanks for calling out the BS artists!

[@Hinklesworth]

Hail Sagan

[@markcostello5120]

Can you win the war if you lose every battle? Vietnam called and said "Yes".

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

You can't lose if you don't have anything to lose. Unlike your enemy.

[@missk1697]

​@@ExtremeMadnessXThe Vietnamese had their entire country to lose.

[@ari1234a]

Vietnam was never a war.

[@missk1697]

Can you win the war if you lose every battle? Vietnam and Afghanistan did.

[@fepeerreview3150]

Maybe it's worth noting that a pocket watch lying on the sand looks nothing like a pile of pebbles washed up on the beach by the action of waves.

[@tonybrantley]

As we speak Elephants are being born without tusks because of Ivory Poachers !!

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

How conveniently he forgets that his god designed herself, then made herself out of nothing, before making us out of nothing else!

[@jastheadventurer1784]

Did you just assume gender?

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@jastheadventurer1784 Until theists can prove that their god is a he, my statement remains true :) .

[@thedave1771]

But nothing can’t make nothing, and “it was always there” is dismissed without explanation, so creationists have already eliminated the creator-god possibility.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@thedave1771 Shhhhh! Don't let them hear that. You'll hurt their feelings, and they'll send their imaginary gods after you ;) .

[@thedave1771]

@@CNCmachiningisfun I’ll imagine I am worried about it, if that’ll help?

[@Pooknottin]

As long as you're gonna post 'em, I'm gonna watch 'em. It's helpful to have an island of reason in the sea of the absurd.

[@MarkAhlquist]

Complex-seeming things are created by even more complex things. It's turtles, all the way up.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

That shirt 👌. Weird its actually readable, brains am cool

[@robsquared2]

I learned a lot from Aron Ra about evolution and creationism debunks. But I also learned he doesn't know how to disable discord notifications.

[@starfishsystems]

"Complexity of information doesn't just happen on its own." Doesn't it? But we observe it happening all the time, caused by very simple processes. I like the example that physicist Brian Cox gives of pouring milk into tea. You can immediately see the complex swirls and vortices that arise through turbulence. The initial state of separate homogeneous systems is simple and can be described with relatively little information. The ultimate state of fully mixed tea and milk can also be described very compactly. But the intermediate condition is extremely complex and would require a truly staggering amount of information to fully describe it. And it's just one cup of tea. "I can't imagine how that much complexity could arise on its own" is nothing more than a fallacious Argument from Incredulity. Yes, it may well be true that YOU can't imagine it. But your inability is not a reasonable basis for anyone to conclude that a thing is physically impossible. Your brain does not constrain reality, much as you might wish it to. You may, for example, be incompetent, or misinformed, or having a bad day, or unwilling to let go of various irrational beliefs.

[@GoodWithoutzGod]

ты потрясающий арон

[@anthonycrumb5753]

Aron you asked a question, will we stay to the end of the series on Dutko, I will do my best. Thank ypu for your efforts.

[@jaybennett236]

"Incidental, unintentional" creation of the universe, and humanity in it, from the "bottom up" is so non-sensical !

[@uriituw]

Is some of the background footage from CDK007?

[@GoddessAstrola]

Alright I know it's not a sandcastle but...at Bristol Caverns in Bristol, TN there is a group of stalagmites that they love to point out on the tour that they call Cinderella's Castle, the hydrant and they burned castle. But guess what these look like with a touch of imagination. This just put me to mind of those and thought I'd give a real world example of an actual natural formation that resembles a castle/sandcastle.

[@longcastle4863]

👍

[@akak5128]

I bet if sand castle gave birth to almost identical sand castles, and there was an survival mechanism, that then we would have the most complex and extraordinary sand castles we could not even imagine never mind their god aka their ancestors bs!

[@TardiniEnnio]

The best argument I found: are your children slighty different from you, or clones. 1st answer, evolution is True. 2nd answer, we were created

[@noheroespublishing1907]

Creationists are so ridiculous that they wouldn't be able to square how Chaos produces Patterns.

[@darrennew8211]

Mister Deity has a skit where he runs out of time to design the whole universe, so he falls back on evolution to do it for him. Hilarious series. The problem with the watchmaker argument is it assumes that the *only* way a seemingly-designed thing can come about is from intelligent design. You can't say "watches look created and we know they are created, and animals look created, so therefore we know they're created." That means the only way something that could look designed is if someone designed it. So now prove that the *only* way something can *look* designed is to *be* designed, and you'll have an argument.

[@55Quirll]

This is how I see god, he is so old and so powerful that if he see's us at all, we are insignificant and not worthy of his notice, we are so far beneath god's notice that I am surprised people listen to, let alone, believe what people like him are talking about. Here is dialogue I remember from a show that I am rewatching that describes him perfectly. " You have an inflated sense of your importance. To a thing like me, a thing like you, well... Think about how you'd feel if a bacterium sat at your table and started to get snarky. This is one little planet, one tiny solar system, in a galaxy that's barely out of its diapers. I'm old, Dean, very old, so I invite you to contemplate how insignificant I find you. ” - Death to Dean in Two Minutes to Midnight

[@lesfreresdelaquote1176]

You could also use modern AI systems as an analogy. AI systems are trained on texts with mathematical operations that can be understood with the level of mathematics a sophomore in college has access to. However, the models are built automatically with no human intervention, basically on their own, and reach now a level of sophistication that nobody in the domain expected. I worked for 30 years in the domain, and I never expected to see AI systems be so responsive. My whole career is basically moot at this stage. The only value that my PhD thesis has is now historical, no longer scientific. This is the hard law of science... But I'm happy to have lived long enough to see the kind of technology I dreamt of when I started my PhD to become a reality.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

AI is nothing but a glorified algorithm. It can't create or imagine. It can only steal already existing things made by actual people.

[@Dr.GrahamSuperstar]

I’m telling you, challenge the religious to pray up 8 billion star-ships, when they cannot or refuse to pray such, the end of religion!

[@FishHeadSalad]

For those wondering, Aron's shirt reads: *_"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change - Stephen Hawking"_*

[@AgentSmith-sb1gk]

I thought of this before i saw that quote

[@Kaleb_Hicks]

I wanna see Charlie Kirk vs Aron Ra

[@Cereal.interface]

since evolution is a complete and rational explanation for the way the system works it doesn't imply design. the design isn't a complex enough emergence of information to be identified by creative force. the material of biology is self identifying in its natural environment. life emerges from uninterrupted nature.

[@Syrnian]

3:33 But the sand and everything else is designed according to Dutko. How can he tell the difference between designed things in a sea of designed things? Also, humans are not sand castles.

[@darrennew8211]

They also assume that if it looks designed, then it must have been designed. But the whole point of evolution is to provide an alternative to that, such that you can have two things that look designed, with only one of them having an intelligent designer.

[@bendyer551]

it takes 2 to make this and 4 to make these and 8 to make them

[@mikaeljohnledet1060]

For those who does not read l337-5p34k... his t-shirt reads: Intelligence is the ability to adapt to changes. Steven Hawking (you're welcome) 🤓😉

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

I heard this argument last night in masjid ! same theist argument from “ intelligent design “ , that all these information in the universe does not happen by accident! I ask why not ? It can happen . Granted that there physical laws in our universe but that doesn’t mean it has to have an intelligent designer .

[@camwyn256]

He's no John Morris Pendleton, but I'll still enjoy the ride

[@daraghokane4236]

If I go to Mars and see a rock with a wired face that happened natural if I see a car I will think Aliens or someone was here before me.

[@BrianStevens-y6h]

Personally I think these guys need to have somebody after them, the fraud squad and whoever "is supposed to be" policing church and state separation.

[@MindForgedManacle]

@ 1:31 That discord sound is in the video, not your own Discord, viewers. 😅

[@lazersoupe]

Do these people think someone is cutting snowflakes out of ice in the sky?

[@stephenhill8790]

Yes probably

[@AECRADIO1]

Snow flakes off the interior of the firmament....

[@Kelley_X]

Doesn’t Job have god proclaiming where he stores the rain and snow?

[@stephenhill8790]

@@Kelley_X ooh does he have different categories for different places 🤣😂

[@letefte]

“I trust god’s word” Dutko says. Does that mean he believes the earth is flat?

[@rickmartin7596]

I'd love to ask Dutko to point out the windows in the firmament.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

if life would be designed, we would not expect any genetic diversity within a species. we would not even expect localities, subspecies and even genusses. would be expecting a vew specific designs perfectly designed for specific niches. not the big mess that life actually is.

[@LeChat084]

If they was an intentionnal creation by a perfect god, there would not be the left recurrent laryngeal nerve, having 20cm from larynx to brain, needlessly passing under the aortic arch. Especialy the one of the Giraffe that mesure more than 2 meters.