PaleyImpact: David Baddiel: Jews Don't Count

[@lisag6697]

I have enjoyed David Baddiel as a comedian and commentator and am very appreciative of the book Jews Don't Count. This helps continue the conversation about antisemitism. Thank you so much for posting this conversation.

[@TheWestofScotland]

He's a highly intelligent individual, and was once funny. But alas, he has a history as a bully - in harness with his fellow bully, Frank Skinner. These two individuals, from their positions of media power and flourishing their luvvie credentials, relentlessly ridiculed a young black professional footballer in the UK. Ridiculed the guy, on national TV, because of his hairstyle. Do not lionise this fn entitled luvvie. These two fn twats made Jason Lee's life a fn misery. Were Jason Lee a Jew, would these two bullies have piled on? Not a chance. And, were a young Jewish sportsman subjected to such ridicule, let's guess which luvvie might step up to condemn such ridicule? Fn A. Baddiel and Skinner: bullies. Don't accept their apologies. It's who they are.

[@MartyMolloy]

What "conversation about antisemitism"? Didn't you hear what the film maker Josh Fox said [38:26] and with which Mr Baddiel wholeheartedly agreed? "What definitely IS antisemitism is when.. non Jewish people.. tell me what antisemitism is" In other words, if you are not Jewish you don't get a say in what constitutes antisemitism. That is solely in the gift of Jews, according to Mr Baddiel. You want to criticise Israeli treatment of Palestinians, say, and a Jewish person says "That's antisemitic!!" , then you're supposed to accept that without question. You have no comeback. You're not Jewish. That's not a conversation; that's an indoctrination. Shut up and do what you are told! I, of course, think that line of argument is bullshit. White people get a say in what constitutes racism; gentiles get a say in what constitutes antisemitism. Then we can have a conversation.

[@thunderstreet78]

I read the book last year. Although I am not Jewish, I am a truth seeker and a human and struggle to understand why progressives and even some mainstream Dems seem to be so antisemitic.

[@serpentines6356]

I am surrounded by so called "progressives"...Eventhough I 'travel' in those circles (the artsy fartsy world) so to speak, I am not impressed by many of them, because they just don't question things much, it seems to me. They often don't seek truth. Not if it's uncomfortable for them anyway. Some, like the Profs, and well read ones in a readers group I attended for awhile are very interesting, and intelligent. We didn't talk about it, but I knew I was the "odd man out" when it came to Trump, and was the odd man out when it came to the "shutdowns" in 2020. My observation since 2020, and Oct. 7th, is many "progressives" have a kind of addiction to what I call, "the underdog syndrome"...Whatever popular "human rights" movement is active at the time, they just jump on the bandwagon, and don't think, or question at all. I saw this with the BLM movement, "trans agenda", illegal immigration", etc. They love the "underdog", or the perceived "underdog", even if they are evil, like Hamas. They are often quick to judge anyone who questions their ideology, "narrative" etc., as "right wing", ignorant, "racist", etc. They often can't see "the other" as very intelligent. It's snobbery. Many are often NOT tolerant of actually listening, when it comes to certain subjects. I have had this experience many times. I have one "lefty" friend who is not like that, and I find her exceptional. She knows various people with differing political beliefs, and is a great listener. Trained as a counselor for one thing. We haven't talked politics much, but when we did, it was a relief for me that she actually listened, and didn't make some assumptive, snide remark like, "you need to stop watching "Fox news". I don't have TV, and don't watch, "Fox news." As far as the Israeli/ Palestinian situation goes my Jewish friend already said years ago Israel was committing genocide when there wasn't even a war on. I had to correct her, and I am not a Jew. She didn't really acknowledge me on it though. So, of course now it's definitely genocide, but I haven't seen her much lately. One arts, and progressive community plastered pro- Palestine posters everywhere. It's always been that way here though. They are totally ignorant about the MB, Jihad, and don't seem to care to learn at all about it. I agree with Dennis Prager. "Truth is not a left wing value." That's my observation anyway.

[@goldencalf5144]

What are you talking about? The Democrats gave Netanyahu carte blanche to do whatever he wanted in Gaza.

[@chaimhandler1]

As an Israeli by choice, who made Aliyah 35 years ago, I find it sad that it seems that the identity of Jews in the diaspora is totally about being an ethnic minority suffering discrimination. My Jewish identity is based upon thousands of years of proud heritage. To people like me October 7 isn't about the bad things done to us as Jews. The phenomenon of people in the world doing bad things to Jews dates back as long as there have been Jews. My Jewish identity is about being true to what we are as Jews and if anyone has a problem with that we are going to stand up for our rights to continue to be who we are, by whatever means necessary. From our perspective being Jewish is being unapologetic for striking back at those who deny us the right of being who we are. I don't care if I am disliked. I don't want to take people to task for being anti-Jewish idiots. I think that any Jew who insists upon living among Jew haters and thinks that being Jewish is about converting them to Jew lovers or just forcing them not to express their hatred openly, is shallow and is missing out on the experience of living the Jewish identity. The Israelis who you describe as feeling what it's like to be an oppressed minority after October 7 are the Israelis whose Jewish identity is lacking. The rest of us here, since October 7, are feeling what the Hasmoneans felt after beating the shit out of the Greeks and achieving their independence and sovereignty, for which we've been celebrating Hanukah every year since.

[@noahman27]

Thank you for your comment. That was very interesting to hear. I'm glad you shared it out loud here.

[@Iditsl]

Yes you are right. But we can't deny what we have been. I used to see myself as a leftist, humanist, French Jew even though I spent about 30 years of my life in Israel. I discovered that the people I thought to have common ground with, have, in reality, always hated us or have sold us for better results at the next elections, that the left is behaving the same way they did during WWII i.e. collaborating with Evil, and that all the ethics and the causes I fought for are nowadays doomed by a systematic inversion of values. Jews could be socialists, feminists, anti-racists, they would be anyway considered as the opposite if they are not self-hating Jews, in another word "meshumadim". And that's a big blow. The only definition I could recognise myself in today, is "Proud Jew" and that, as you said, is enough.

[@jittmet7766]

:D Excellent. Chag sameach for Chanuka.

[@unisophia]

👏👏👏🇮🇱

[@rosykatzCATS]

Thank you

[@normankelley]

Great book. A black guy I often recommend it to people. Will look for the film.

[@revol148]

@normankelley what has your skin colour got to do with it?

[@reandruzzi]

Dang, this was so good

[@Dan-ku9mt]

WOW! This was amazing! Thank you for doing this. And also, as a fan of Ian Broudie and the Lightning Seeds - who knew the band and song I've loved for over decades that you were on was a fellow Jew that stood up for his own people and has such a strong voice!

[@rodneymarsden3003]

Happy Hannukah to my Jewish friends and Merry Christmas to my Christian friends, and have a good day to my Buddhist friends. As for the haters, please go away!

[@joelshapiro3657]

Excellent discussion. Thank you!

[@robertrosenberg]

Genuinely amazing talk. Less so on the questions (why can’t we ask questions without telling our life story?)

[@timetravellingtoad]

We should avoid conflating legitimate forms of protest against the actions of the current Israeli government with antisemitism. Doing so stifles any legitimate concerns from public scrutiny and sends a clear message to Netanyahu that he can do whatever he wants to without consequence.

[@lordlorian81]

As somene smart ones said The one who created the situation that israel care non for public bla bla bla I new York times As after they showed lie and never corrected it even so there was prof of it being wrong Showed that no mater what israel does News cover will show it as evil So as a result Israel desided “We will provide security to israel without care to what is told about us”

[@goldencalf5144]

How else are Zionists going to use world Jewry as humen sheeldz without that conflation?

[@quaver1239]

Toad, do you not think Israel has any right to defend itself? Do you not know the fact that Hamas is a worldwide terrorist organisation that has been regularly attacking Israel since Gaza was returned to the “Palestinians” in 2005? Finally, are you unaware that Hamas unashamedly uses women, children and other civilians as human shields, and that the “death toll” issued by Hamas is, of course, a lie?

[@youtubeyoutube936]

Sure, but it’s strange how Israel is held to a totally different standard

[@goldencalf5144]

@youtubeyoutube936 Yeah, they're allowed to get away with a lot more than anyone else

[@sarahofer4368]

Throughout history Jew-bashing and anti-semitsm has been a basic form of bullying. Full stop.

[@TheMadmacs]

in the west that is true, but not in the middle east. in fact jews escaped to muslim countries for hundreds of years. bagdad was 40% jewish in 1948. iran had 400,000 jews in 1948. none of them were interested in creating a homeland in palestine. i hope one day jews realise that ionism is the worst thing thats ever happened to them. did you know that a lot of the arabs are the original jews who were forced to convert a thousand years ago, and that european jews are converts and have no ancestoral claim to the land whatsoever?

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

@@TheMadmacs Ionism sounds interesting. Does it relate to charged particles?

[@TheMadmacs]

@@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 yeah it refers to a volatile imbalance that is inevitably, discharged.

[@TheMadmacs]

@@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 yeah its a volatile state of imbalance that will inevitably be, discharged.

[@neilog747]

No. It s sign that humanity is selfish, morally corrupt and easily led by unethical xenophobes.

[@TerryBramow]

The blame card 😮I'm so tired of it i'm moving to israel😮

[@SilverSun216]

Auf wiedersehen. Bon voyage. Have fun!

[@goldencalf5144]

Don't worry, you have a full hand of victim cards.

[@281992pdr]

That Holocaust joke is brilliant. I'm not Jewish. I get it. Very witty. Very funny.

[@Retrochronus]

David Baddiel is so brilliant! Although not the main to topic of this interview, i wanted to remark that I have never before heard such a simple yet spot on explanation of what the social media does to people and the way they understand the world. The echo chamber idea has been said every where but its always reptead without touching om other aspects of how it works and what it does to society. Its clesrly evident he thinks through these things thoroughly and makes up his own idea.

[@dawnhirsh6263]

Wow. Thank you for this. I deeply relate to this discussion and have now ordered the book.

[@quaver1239]

I have read this book. Clear, intelligent, honest, and I agree with every word David Baddiel wrote. And every word he still does write.

[@deskset7436]

Don't forget Yohai Spondor's Holocaust joke - "Why is Hamas worse than the Nazis? Well ... at least the Nazis didn't kidnap Holocaust *survivors* ..."

[@נעמיכהן-ר2ל]

Israeli woman here, I can confirm that what David talks about on minute 32:00 is correct. This is the first time we've felt hunted down, humiliated and endangered. No matter what your criticisem on the war is, and I myself have been protesting against my government for years- This is exactly why Israel even exists.

[@seanomaille8157]

Well if that's the reason Israel exists, it's a monumental failure! The most dangerous place in the world for any Jewish person since 1945 is Israel (or because of Israel)- and it's getting more dangerous by the day. By trying to conflate Judaism with Zionism it has made things worse for the many great Jewish people around the world, including many I have had the privilege to call friends, colleagues and teachers. How can any sane person think that what is happening in Israel and the occupied lands is not immoral (and more importantly for Jewish people) utterly unsustainable.

[@soconfused8031]

Womp womp

[@TheMadmacs]

so israel exists because of the problems caused by israel existing?..... anti semitism didnt exist in the middle east before ionism. hundreds of years of peace, bagdad was 40% jewish, iran still has 10,000 jews living there even after all the madness, creating israel was seen as a western invasion by the arabs not a jewish one. we understand you have been fed lies about your origins and it is difficult to imagine how you can face the truth. if you can put your hand on your heart and say '' removing the palestinians was worth it to create israel'' then i cant debate that. but when you realise this 100 years of sorrow must stop, its insanity. when you realise that, know that, peace, means peace for everybody. the debate is over, it was an insane idea which contained all the colonial atrocities that were normal for the time. its brought the world to the brink, it must end and something new and good must be done instead. thats not a threat, thats just obvious. and i wonder if anybody in history has ever felt as hunted down as hind rajab.

[@danzel1157]

I respect your opinion, but it is not exactly why Israel was established by Western Imperialism. And if those Jews, and non-Jews especially, who wished Israel well were true to their word, then they would stop this genocide now, because it is doing tremendous harm to Jews around the world. And I'm not even going to mention the horrors that it is inflicting on Palestinians.

[@bengreen171]

So what you're saying is that Israelis now understand how Palestinians feel.

[@ZER0--]

Didn't David do black face on Fantasy Football?

[@rajo741]

Not generally a fan of Baddiel but the joke about “keeping the receipts” is quite good. And no it doesn’t play into antisemitism for all of us. I’m understanding however why he wouldn’t want to make certain jokes.

[@mariamd2243]

Sad that you like the joke. Sick of this crap.

[@rajo741]

@ how nice that you have the luxury of no bigger fish to fry.

[@TheArilona14]

I'm Jewish and I found it funny. I have no problem with jokes about jews, but the truth is, , You can't make jokes about any other minority, because you're not allowed to offend other minorities, jews you are allowed to offend, so David is right. Jews don't count. ☹️

[@maynardglam]

I love Jews,long live Israel

[@danzel1157]

What do you think of Palestinians?

[@neilog747]

@@danzel1157 What do you do think of Islam's contribution to multiculturalism in the Middle East?

[@SarahBishop-e8b]

They should demand peace, not vengeance.

[@taknothing4896]

@@SarahBishop-e8b They have, for decades now. See 2018-2019 Great March of Return for one of the more recent large examples. For their non-violent efforts, they were shot down by IDF snipers.

[@jamesormiston263]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@Gnarlodious]

So true!

[@deedee8568]

To be inclusive, this would need to : Review his working/current definition of antisemitism; Substantiate, illustrate and clarify the rise antisemitism. That would have been a more helpful location from which to begin the speech/discussion.

[@elkiebeerepoot5829]

I know quite a bit of my Sephardic background going back about six centuries and three continents. I have not (yet) been able to find out about my Greek background, but everything has been recorded over the centuries. So we often know a lot about our ancestors and we can fill in the gaps. Many will share this experience with me.

[@suereed3474]

David, you should have an opinion about Israel. Forty seven percent of the world's Jews live in Israel. You don't have to live in Israel, but you shouldn't disengage yourself from Israel. It's like not recognizing the existance of anti-semitism or it's history. I think your stance is very limited, and very selfish.

[@ice8531]

Jews with guns, defending themselves? How crass.

[@suereed3474]

@ice8531 Better crass than dead. But maybe you really meant to say, "How gauche"!

[@n4049]

I completely agree. Jews denying Israel are cowereds.

[@lunatigannie8860]

How else? ​@@ice8531

[@ac1646]

Having watched the video all the way through, I am dumbstruck that you are demanding he do this when he gave a very valid reason as to why he prefers not to (in public at least)! Made perfect sense to me. I'm not Jewish but, like David, I am British. The whole talk was about antisemitism so surely he has a valid point? I feel it's out of order to call him 'selfish.' It's such a personal attack. It's as if he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't!

[@LeslieShear]

How/where can we get to watch the film???

[@leannsherman6723]

One very minor correction-I’m from Pittsburgh, near Tree of Life, and the shootings occurred in October 2018 (versus 2019).

[@robwarren4425]

Anyone here find the film on line? Streaming. Please share the link.

[@sarahofer4368]

This is a topic I am all too familiar with. In more than one aspect. For nearly fifty years I have lived as a Jew in Israel. I was raised in a Roman Catholic home, in the US. When travelling abroad, I identify as a Jew or an Israeli, and I am met with skepticism or bewilderment. I am tall, blond and blue eyed, so how can I be a Jew? On the flip side, in Israel, I often get a similar response. My understanding is that prejudice and bigotry is present in most all of us, and this is what I have tried to "call out" whenever I come up against racism, anti-semitism and bullying. When bigotry and bullying (human faults) arise, we must speak out, for silence is consent.

[@brianlevy4619]

I find it astounding that such an incrediblebly intelligent man did not see this reality as a child.

[@mariamd2243]

It's called denial. I was that way for many years. No mote

[@TheMadmacs]

@@mariamd2243 we must reach out more, the horror an israeli kid must face is unimaginable. theyve been taught to feel victimized to the point of insanity and then find out theyre the bad guys???? we must hold out a hand and reassure everybody, peace means peace for all.

[@TheMadmacs]

@@mariamd2243 wow my comment about how we must reach out to the kids being brainwashed got deleted..... wow! anyway, we must build bridges, its not enough to win arguments and correcting historic facts, we must offer a vision of peace, our job is to inspire not brow beat already traumatised nations. i am of course talking about jewish kids.

[@jonfoxtrot5135]

Just as the west expects good Muslims to speak out and work to dismantle terrorism in that community, there's no doubt that the same is expected of Jews in relation to the genocide and atrocities of Israel. As it goes, inaction produces disdain.

[@MM-yi9zn]

Jealousy, envy & resentment Again.

[@darrenr9136]

Claiming everyone is jealous of you and never examining your own behaviour is what people with personality disorders do.

[@wjkathman]

When you say "jealousy, envy & resentment," what I hear is "deflect, deflect, deflect." It's possible that high percentages of a certain group demonstrate a tendency to develop antagonistic relationships to their host societies -- particularly when those host societies have traditionally been Christian. Some of us are not afraid to notice the antagonism.

[@ZER0--]

Careful. You'll be called antisemitic.

[@DixieFaukner]

or maybe zionist war crimes?

[@mariaconnors6287]

Recommend "Just for us" comedy stand up show by Alex Edelman.

[@josabudsf]

My heart breaks for Gaza.

[@josephportnojgaj7096]

then go help them, let`s see how long you will survive there

[@miriamthornton8095]

Why are you watching this?

[@deselby6669]

​@@josephportnojgaj7096...See how you are threatened and angered by a person empathising with Palestinians even after 10s of thousands have been slaughtered..Very interesting..

[@deselby6669]

​@@miriamthornton8095Its interesting to see if the genocide of Palestinians will get a mention or if it will be ignored..

[@ice8531]

Agreed, it's terrible what Hamas did.

[@doyle6000]

Great stuff!!

[@TheMadmacs]

david, youre about 3 or 4 kinds of wrong here. when they hissed? it is actually a pantomime, a sad parody of the truth where everything is turned upside down. you have become ali G, is it cause i is black? ''thats you that is'' stop claimng the right to being the group most aware of what living in fear is. doing it while we face the horrors of a state gone mad, its doubley wrong.

[@ekolliopoulos]

I appreciate this discussion. I am someone who has great respect for Jewish culture, the values towards academia and I’m so proud to say that American humor is rooted in Jewish humor. I hate antisemitism. I also hate what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, just as I hated the Rwandan genocide, the genocide against the Uigers. I get most of my history from Israeli Jewish historians. I don’t see what Israel is doing has anything to do with Judaism, at all. But I do recognize the painful irony that the state of Israel, which is populated by primarily Jewish people and largely was created as a result of the Holocaust, is acting completely without impunity in regards to the very institutions (ICCJ, UN) that were created from the Nuremberg trials. But listening to this discussion shows me how people who so often are confronted with these snide and hateful antisemetic remarks about money and power (The George Soros comments in particular infuriate me) can just feel that criticism to the Israeli State is also antisemetic. Have either of you read Avi Shlaim’s book? Or Ilan Pappe’s? Norman Finklestein’s? Being against ethnic cleansing or genocide is just that, it’s not antisemetic, in fact my strong feelings about this (I protested the South Africans in campus anti apartheied movements in the 80’s in the US) come from reading so much about the holocaust, the rage I felt from reading so many holocaust memoirs and WW2 History.

[@ekolliopoulos]

PS I look forward to reading the book.

[@lizberezin2919]

Thank you for your words. Maybe you're a good person to ask what i want to ask all genocide claimers. Do you see the Oct. 7 attack as completely divorced from what came after it? There was this massacre, then we all forgot, brains are a clean slate, and Israel suddently decides to slaughter Gazans? You don't see that as the first battle in a war started by Hamas that rages to this day?

[@HershalG]

You are just channeling your antisemitism towards Israel. Instead of reading a selected bunch of sellout Israeli historians doing propaganda for Palestinians I suggest you read Anita Shapira, Benny Morris or other, you know, serious intellectual works.

[@brynawaldman5790]

Your respect for Norman Finkelstein is ludicrous. The guy is a self-hating liar. And gutless. He dropped out of the Oxford Union "debate" when he learned Mosab Hassan Yousef was to be a debater on the opposing side. Israel doing genocide? The population in Gaza is bigger now than before Oct 8 2023, & 10x the population in 1948. Israel also gave Gaza free water & electricity since they withdrew in 2005. Genocide. Give me a break.

[@olderstrbloke604]

You are wrong on so many issues it is hard to know where to start. Israel was not created because of the Holocaust. The Idea was that Israel was needed to be created as a refuge for all the Jews in Arab countries who were being persecuted as well as a place for European Jews to flee the Holocaust before it started. It just took too long, not because it was Arab land but the Arabs did not want a Jewish State. There is still zero evidence of a Genocide by Israel because there is no Genocide, only on the part of Gazans who crossed their own territorial border and killed Jews. You then go on to talk about the apologetic Jews who try their best to be accepted by the baying crowd and denigrate their own people.

[@MrVorpalsword]

he spelt 'so' wrongLY .... what was your next point?

[@mistymoor7114]

Why should it matter so much if while reading the book someone should misunderstand? Maybe because those people are of a type who are very ready to condemn and spew viscious bile on others and its part of their mindset and ideology to do so ?

[@kfirmeibar]

Oh, God. That sentence in my head - after 7.10, for the first time I felt as a "Jew". That immediatly cristalized many feelings I had and put them into words. I cried when I heard it. Yes! Immediate connection with that historic conext, as a besieged and attacked minority. Total feeling of helplesness, especially when watching what's happened in the rest of the western world, that is sppuposed to be similar to Israeli society.

[@lizberezin2919]

Me too. Immediate connection with that historic context, undersanding that we live a continuation of it, that we haven't transended to a different existence where these things don't exist. But that understanding helps. We are another link in the chain, but that chain has not been broken for thousands of years, it won't be broken now.

[@kfirmeibar]

@@lizberezin2919 It also gives a way to come to terms with what's been said about Jews and Israel right now. Understanding that it's just history repeating. Old habbits die hard, and antisemitism is a 2,000 year old habbit.

[@jimmyjames7941]

I cried too with that level of hatred & barbarism manifested! As a Christian who believes the Bible is His word I pray for the peace of Jerusalem and I just can't understand anyone who claims to know God can not love the Jews le alone hate them?! Shalom from Buffalo NY USA

[@kfirmeibar]

@@jimmyjames7941 Thank you! Love can extand to anyone. It only hinges on people's intentions and actions towards you. Kindness brings kindenss. But Hamas and the Iranian regime judge people by religion with twisted ideas, so they aim to destroy Jews and Christians. As Jews, we've had this happen to us over and over again for 2 millennia, and the reason is always twisted ideas.

[@davidantonacci9525]

You guys should probably seek some kind of professional help like maybe a psychologist that specializes in conversion therapy for Zionists?

[@activistmalpractice]

"Collaborative overlap"! Finally, I'm vindicated for my constant interruptions!

[@taraadinolfi5847]

Why does every video I watch on anti-semitism start with ads about gaza? Even though I request to not see ads on this topic they increase. Who chooses this stuff and why do they force islamist propaganda down our throats?

[@louduva9849]

'islamist propaganda' lol

[@Promqueen23]

@@louduva9849 and nothing to laugh about

[@VideoFanfromNC]

The media always looks for someone to speak for "all."

[@HabaneroTi]

Btw the "But Jews are rich (and successful, powerful, connected, etc.) so they're not like other persecuted minorities" defense of antisemitism is classic Marxism, which divides the world into rich and powerful oppressors and poor and weak oppressed. Not much nuance there but then Marxism was never very reality-based and always more about polemics and the politics of revenge. Not Socialism, mind you, but hardcore Soviet-style Marxism, still the dominant version in the world. So naturally they don't view antisemitism as comparable to other forms of ethnic and religious prejudice and hatred, because unlike most hated and maligned minority groups, Jews are rich and powerful (or so they're seen as), so they don't get to complain, and if anything merit the kinds of hatred they get. It's all quite sick, but then we're talking about antisemites and Marxists, who aren't exactly beacons of grounded sanity. So this "famous person" he referred to (Jeremy Corbyn?), is clearly an antisemite, but also not a progressive, rather more a Marxist. You can't be a progressive and say such things, which is deeply regressive, which is what Marxism is.

[@TheMadmacs]

there are only two sides. in all of human history. power. the guys with the power and the guys who have to do what the powerful tell them to do. the world became a place were power while still completely physical became symbolised as money. whether they are jewish or scottish or dutch bankers, money controls all the narratives and history we live in. until we remove that boot from our necks, even when we win, we will lose eventually.

[@HabaneroTi]

@@TheMadmacs Which of course is a classic reductivist Marxist interpretation of reality that is so clearly at odds with actual reality. Marxists don't adapt to reality. They adapt reality to Marxism, being at best second rate thinkers posing as intellectuals who mistake declaration for actuality. Reality is complex and overdetermined, and its human component is ultimately most determined by human nature, which will never change and spans the spectrum from all good to all bad, meaning that there will always be a "boot". We can only make it less painful and constraining. Of course arguing with a Marxist is like playing tennis with an auto ball server.

[@HabaneroTi]

@@TheMadmacs Typical Marxism reductivism. Reality is a lot more complicated than posited by a spoiled upper middle class 19th century Englishman who lived off of others.

[@LightSaber144]

"Generally speaking, all the great events have been distorted, most of the important causes concealed, some of the principal characters never appear, and all who figure are so misunderstood and misrepresented, that the result is a complete mystification, and the perusal of the narrative about as profitable as reading the Republic of Plato or the Utopia if More... if the history of England were to be written by someone with the necessary knowledge and courage, it would astonish the world, much like the Roman annals." Benjamin Disraeli (Prime Minister of the United Kingdom) ☆☆☆

[@Promqueen23]

Lying Nazi ^^^

[@grahamegaw-mc3bw]

How ironic that someone who appears to loathe Jews should reference a JEWISH Prime Minister. PS I am NOT Jewish.

[@VideoFanfromNC]

Why does he refer to Jews as "they"? Is he saying that Jews are white only? Hiding being Jewish gives others permission to dismiss the identity. Is he saying that microagressions no longer exist for anyone else?

[@quaver1239]

No, he is not saying any of those things. Perhaps you should listen again and actually HEAR what he is saying?

[@joc.1353]

Ethnic and national identity should mean little to humanity, because it’s an aspect of inhumanity.

[@lionelgreenberg5652]

Trolling the web and asking the question "Why Jews are so hated" returns some enlighten and vile rhetoric.

[@jeanrenault518]

The proximity between binary thinking and anti-Semitism, as it is emphasized here, this proximity calls for a theological light, I believe. Indeed, what is the Jewish heritage (the Old Testament), if not an inspired, fundamental dramaturgy, where the framework of binary thinking explodes with each line ? Example: David, at the same time the Chosen One, the poet king, the greatest of the sons of Israel, .... and the same David, as much a bastard murderer of Uriah, in the most sordid way possible.... It is impossible to read the Bible with a binary thought (Good versus Bad, Progressive versus Reactionary, etc.).

[@oliverc1961]

The situation in the Middle East CAN improve once people realise that Arab nationalists and Islamists have been complaining for 80 years about people of our great grandparents' generation being pressured to move from one side of the 1948 Armistice Line to the other side, a distance of on average maybe 5 miles. The land on the other side was essentially identical to the land they left behind, so was the language, so was the food. It was like moving from Connecticut to Massachusetts.

[@ncherryus]

We need a law and law enforcement to protect us as people, not identity groups, from aggression. You cannot change what people think. And by the way you yourself doing suggestions that being rich is bad. It is not what kills. What Really Kills when immoral things stated to be called moral and vise versa. And protection going to scoundrels that starts aggression, not to whom defend itself.

[@bengreen171]

Sorry, but if someone said being critical of the Iranian or Saudi government was islamophobia, they'd be laughed out the room. Anti Zionism is not antisemitism.

[@earthlighteleven5225]

100%. this is a rather self-centred and unaware interview...

[@bengreen171]

@@earthlighteleven5225 I wouldn't go that far. The interview was fine, and I agree with everything David said - but that one comment from the man in the audience shows how there is another agenda that is parasitising on the back of a good cause (ie opposition to antisemitism) in order to justify a bad one (ie occupation and ethnic cleansing).

[@smokenfire]

Except anti-zionists aren't critical of Israel's government, they are critical of the right of the Jews to self determination, which is a deeply racist stance and therefore antisemitic.

[@ShlomiCohen-xo3jh]

What an ignorant comment Wowowo Unti Zionist means you don’t think Jews had the right for self determination in their homeland therefore being anti Zionist is pure antisemitism

[@jaysilverstone7221]

It absolutely is. Never before in history has every move a country at war (on 7 fronts in this case) been so obscenely scrutinized. The Ottoman empire collapsed because islam had its head in the sand. the British created an interim mandate. Churchill created trans-Jordan for the arabs. The UN partioned the remaining land. The jews created a superstate on malarial swamp and desert. The arabs created havoc. The problem is that "Palestinians" is a contsruct not an authentic identity and without identity there can be no vision. Hating the jews results from an unchecked tribal psychology. Not a single Arab in israel would rather live under Hamas

[@jerzywieckowski7610]

Start looking down at the others. For a change.

[@millrace32]

for me, the starting point for understanding the lay of left-wing anti-antisemitism in the west today is probably mehdi hasan, who's managed to widely maintain the perception of a good faith actor (even, an especially good faith actor) despite consistently having takes since oct 7th that really ought to have been exposed as bad faith. the jeremy corbyns, owen joneses, yanis varoufakises et al, even though they've all turned the dial to 11 since the attack, are less widely held to be good faith actors, owing to their clearer preference for various forms of leftist authoritarian politics, which hasan has largely skated beyond - despite some current & previous super-authoritarian takes

[@oliverc1961]

It's nonsense to say "It's up to the minority to decide what is and is not discrimination against them".

[@simondweck757]

Really ??? Then blacks can’t tell you what is racist or not then? Again the hypocrisy of this comment is breathtaking.

[@ashleyKennedy5]

Ziowood for the incontinent.

[@dav-b7o]

Jason Lee ?

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

I thought Jews were pretty good at mathematics.

[@TheMadmacs]

this keeps getting deleted @sarahofer4368 2 days ago Throughout history Jew-bashing and anti-semitsm has been a basic form of bullying. Full stop. 2 @TheMadmacs 6 hours ago in the west that is true, but not in the middle east. in fact jews escaped to muslim countries for hundreds of years. bagdad was 40% jewish in 1948. iran had 400,000 jews in 1948. none of them were interested in creating a homeland in palestine. i hope one day jews realise that ionism is the worst thing thats ever happened to them. did you know that a lot of the arabs are the original jews who were forced to convert a thousand years ago, and that european jews are converts and have no ancestoral claim to the land whatsoever? 1 Highlighted reply @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 2 hours ago @TheMadmacs Ionism sounds interesting. Does it relate to charged particles? @jeremy, yeah its a volatile imbalance that will inevitablybe, discharged.

[@noelpucarua2843]

Which group hasn't been persecuted? Remember, depending on how you measure it, every group has been persecuted, and nobody should be.

[@talihershkovitz689]

Yet, another example for antisemitism, denying it exists…

[@wjkathman]

Nobody whines more about their so-called persecution than a certain group known for favoring small hats.

[@HershalG]

I keep on coming back to the comment section of this video every once in a while to see how horseshoe theory is materializing here in real time

[@aaronjohnson7812]

How can they call it a concentration camp? Who can concentrate with all the screaming and shooting and all of the horrible things going on? You can't keep a straight thought.

[@chanaselwyn9265]

I hope you're jokinv there's another definition of concentrate like confine for one

[@aaronjohnson7812]

@@chanaselwyn9265 It's a joke.

[@LightSaber144]

Faint Memories of Deception ---------------------- Serbia-bosnia 1. Serbs and Croats mount joint attack on Muslim town. 2. Bosnian Croats inhumane camp conditions 3. Food convoy 4. Arseny 5. 240 serbs 6. 6 villages 7. Disband 8. Croat Serbs muslims 9. ......

[@felixmidas2020]

Ronald S. Lauder wants people to know that he generously supported this program. How pathetic. Just give quietly and don't make a fuss about it.

[@BenSmit-d8y]

I Like Baddiel, but Israel's actions are abhorrent. BDS everything Israel.

[@TheMadmacs]

i must confess to being a little heart broken that david is taking this stance. i'm struggling to believe he doesnt know the truth, which leaves me feeling '' who is this guy?'' its worse than the actions on gaza, the whole history is a blight on humanity. a lot of arabs are actually jews who were forced to convert a thousand years ago..... jews and arabs inter married before 1900, they did not take religion anywhere near as serious as the western christians. it was only when corruption destroyed the place with western puppet leaders that religion became more fundamentalist. a jewish soldeir who fought in 1948 said, '' we knew what we were doing was wrong, but it was worth it to create israel'' that generation raised its kids to make themselves heroes, so now we have a whole population filled with lies and ready to slaughter. the middle eastern jews thought the idea of israel was insane, they wanted no part in it. theyd lived in peace in iran and iraq for hundreds of years and had no interest in moving to israel. when they were eventually forced to leave after the nakba, they were mistreated by white jews from europe who have zero connection to the land....... the insanity is hard for me to bear, i truly worry how hard it will be for israeli kids to bear. all i can say to them is, peave means peace for all. truth and reconciliation is a powerful powerful thing. one state one vote, one peace. free palestine.

[@dovmoen]

You better throw away your cellphone. It’s full of Israeli invented and manufactured technology without which it’s useless

[@SilverSun216]

Oh brother.

[@richardparker7121]

🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉🍉💯👍👍👍👍

[@liamkelly1312]

Life for multi millionaire Baddiel is so terribly hard and full of discrimination

[@carolineben-ari2798]

Thanks for exemplifying what he was talking about.

[@liamkelly1312]

@@carolineben-ari2798 He is also a hypocrite to rant about discrimination when he spent 2 years on BBC TV frequently wearing blackface and catering to the same ignorant folk who are antisemites.

[@neilog747]

The book is not about HIM.

[@liamkelly1312]

@neilog747 He spent 2 years on BBC TV wearing blackface and ridiculing a black footballer who consequently was hounded at every game he played by racists, hence has zero credibility in pontificating about discrimination.

[@marinats5873]

why he is multi millioner? his brother was a taxi diver, looks like family money were lost.So his talent, brain etc. Many jews start with nothing work hard, develop, look for the opportunity etc. i left UUSR with 100$, bought a house in USA in 8 years.( did not speak English), work, safe etc.Majority of jews are hardworking, educated people key of success

[@elenadiluigi9959]

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[@joc.1353]

Propaganda

[@haroldmaio407]

anti semitism What is semitism?

[@IanKorman]

It is just a plain bad word/term choice. The term for hatred of Jews should be Judeomisia or, to align with the use of Islamophobia, Judeophobia.

[@dovbarleib3256]

It is all about how Israel's G-d first and foremost demands altruistic human decency from Mankind, as He defines it. So the haters think they can disprove G-d's importance by slandering the Jews. Jews are not a Race. So you need to understand the spiritual root. And it is all about what is happening in Israel.

[@jaysilverstone7221]

Very perceptive ty

[@peterboytRaKs]

Nobody ever asked the question, why were the Jews discriminated against for 2K years. I'll tell you why.

[@John-c3u9o]

Why do the periodic alarms about the "rise of antisemitism" seem to coincide exactly with the episodes of protest in the West against Israel policy towards Palestinians? If the problem was antisemitism, shouldn't antisemitism appear in other contexts and at other times?

[@hmmcinerney]

I’ve noticed 😳

[@ac1646]

How are you sure is doesn't appear in other contexts and times? Just asking a logical question.

[@luckystarship2275]

What a dumb statement. Are you suggesting that there was no anti-semitism until 1948?

[@upendasana7857]

It does appear...and with the rise of populism all over Europe and in teh States then there were legitmate reasons to be concerned,not just as Jews but for people of colour and other minority groups who suffer violence on a regular basis in America and often as Refugees and poc in european countries. The problem is that now criticism of Israel has been named as anti-semetic by some Jewish bodies and some Jews so now the meaning and definition of anti-semetism and the real risks of the rise of antisemetism has been confused with criticising Israel. Criticising Israel is NOT antisemetic but unfortunately David wants people to call out antisemetism and stand up against it but he seems entirely unable to defend or speak up about other peoples right including atm Palestinians but also other refugees fleeing various countries..Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan...apparently he seems unable to speak up for them...only to talk about the possibility of the rise of antisemetism whilst we see Palestinians killed and other anti refugee rhetoric that results in people dying in the sea !!!!

[@annaan8232]

@@luckystarship2275 and ever after... @John-c3u9o ' question is not very intelligent, like "are you already stopped to drink alcohol early in the morning?" There are no answers on stupid questions. IMHO

[@LightSaber144]

12 Tribes of Israel 1. Judah - American Blacks 2. Benjamin - West Indian Blacks 3. Levi - Haitians 4. Ephraim - Puerto Ricans 5. Manasseh - Cubans 6. Simeon - Dominicans 7. Zebulun - Guatemala to Panama (Mayans) 8. Gad - Native American Indians 9. Reuben - Seminole Indians 10. Asher - Colombia to Uruguay (Incas) 11. Issachar - Mexicans (Aztecs) 12. Naphtali - Argentina/Chile Thus saith the Lord our God: Genesis 49:28 [28]All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them. --//-- Never Give 🆙️ Never Give In! Twelve Tribes 🌍-Wide! 📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕📕 📕⚅⚅⚅⚅🔴🔴🔴🔴🔆🔅🔶️🛡 📕⚅⚅⚅🔴🔴🔴🔴🔆🔅🔶️🔶️🛡 📕⚅⚅🔴🔴🔴🔴🔆🔅🔶️🔶️🔶️🛡 📕⚅🔴🔴⬜🔴⬜⬜⬜🔶️🔶️🔶️🛡 📕🔴🔴🔴⬜🔆🔅🔶️⬜🔶️🔶️🔶️🛡 📕🔴🔴🔴⬜🔅⬜⬜⬜🔶️🔶️🔆🛡 📕🔴🔴🔆⬜🔶️⬜🔶️🔶️🔶️🔆🔆🛡 📕👑👑⚔⬜🔶️⬜⬜⬜🔆🔆🔆🛡 📕🦁👑👑🔶️🔶️🔶️🔶️🔆🔆🔆⚃🛡 📕👑👑👑🔶️🔶️🔶️🔆🔆🔆⚃🔢🛡 📕👑👑🐺🔶️🔶️🔆🔆🔆⚃🔢🔢🛡 🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡🛡

[@zivdadon5054]

😂😂😂😂

[@LightSaber144]

@zivdadon5054 Thus saith the Lord our God: Additions to Esther 11:1 [1]In the fourth year of the reign of Ptolemeus and Cleopatra, Dositheus, who said he was a priest and Levite, and Ptolemeus his son, brought this epistle of Phurim, which they said was the same, and that Lysimachus the son of Ptolemeus, that was in Jerusalem, had interpreted it.

[@LightSaber144]

@zivdadon5054 😱😱😱 😳😳😳 😱😱😱 😳😳😳 Wait. What!? Two hundred ''Six million Jews'' allegations from 1900-1945 -------- 1900 - Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900: "There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism." 1902 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, Vol. 25, 1902, page 482: "While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..." 1902 - Samuel W. Goldstein, New York Times, November 27, 1902: "PLEA FOR ZIONISM ... In answer I would say: Does Dr. Silverman represent the 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, 300,000 in Roumania and the 1,000,000 in Galicia?" 1903 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 18th, 1903, page 6: " ... six million downtrodden brethren." 1904 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 19th, 1904, page 2: " ... where five or six million people existed under persecution." 1904 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904, page 1: " ... the final and definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews ... transporting five or six million people over the sea." 1904 - Israel Zangwill, New York Times, October 20, 1904: "The problem does not relate to the American Jews, but to the 6,000,000 in Russia. The Russian Government has consented to allow the Jews to leave," 1905 - New York Times, January 29th, 1905: "He declared that a free and a happy Russia, with its 6,000,000 Jews, would possibly mean the end of Zionism, since the abolition of the autocracy would practically eliminate the causes that brought Zionism into existence." 1905 - New York Times, November 1st, 1905: "From 1800 to 1902 he caused 6,000,000 Jewish families to be expelled from Russia ..." 1906 - New York Times, March 25th, 1906: " ... the condition and future of Russia's 6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan ... He left St. Petersburg with the firm conviction that the Russian Government’s studied policy for the “solution” of the Jewish question is systematic and murderous extermination." 1907 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 18th, 1907, page 13: " ... for six million people cannot emigrate. 1908 - Deseret Evening News, March 17th, 1908: " ... poverty, starvation and disease are the afflictions which now beset the six million Jews in that country and Roumania." 1908 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 7th, 1908: " ... when six million Russian Jews are crying ... " 1910 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 4th, 1910: "SIX MILLION BABIES SAVED BY STRAUS."

[@zivdadon5054]

@@LightSaber144 no lol I'm Jewish

[@LightSaber144]

Nobody is accusing them for being rich. They are accused of Lying and being real Monsters. Wow. I Truly hate these people.

[@NJIT22]

You are not well upstairs. Go reshuffle your marbles and tighten up your screws. I heard enough of this nonsense from all type of psychopaths especially former inmates

[@HabaneroTi]

Yeah, definitely not an antisemite. An anti-lying monster, which you believe Jews are.

[@grahamegaw-mc3bw]

Call me a moron - you probably will- but how about praying for the REPENTANCE of these people? Oh and the BIBLE tells us to get rid of bitterness (EPHESIANS 4:31 KJV).

[@HabaneroTi]

@@grahamegaw-mc3bw What "people"? Jews? Repentance for what? I literally know of nothing that they, or any people, need to repent for, collectively, and anyone who thinks otherwise is well beyond a moron, but simply mentally ill and off their meds.

[@LightSaber144]

@grahamegaw-mc3bw He is a convert from the days of Cleopatra. Christ only came for Us, the Israelites. Thus saith the Lord our God: Matthew 15:24 [24]But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[@Btain]

If they don't count, why are they above criticism?

[@neilsmallhands]

How are they above criticism? A lot of the anti israel mob do not even bother with whats happening in china, sudan, ukraine. All of which is far worse.

[@n4049]

😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂 "above criticism ". I wish that was true. You know what, forget being "above" it. Just leave us the ffuiinnkik alone forget we exist. Wed love nothing more than you to not think about us at all

[@ac1646]

What criticism would you like to make?

[@Btain]

@ac1646 Absolutely nothing

[@281992pdr]

Plainly they are not - and he doesn't say they are.

[@elenaalexander6138]

Perhaps this point has been made, but what is "An Englishman, a Frenchman, and a Jew."? Is there a country called Jewland? Is that place Israel? I was left nonplussed.

[@abupinhus]

Yes. Israel is Jewland. We are not sorry about it.

[@kfirmeibar]

Jews are named after Judea. The option of calling the Jewish state Judea came up, but they eventually chose the name "Israel", which was the name of another Jewish kingdom in our ancestral homeland and another name for the Jewish nation (like Hebrews). In any case, Jews are also a nationality, like the English and the French. So, it's not "a person from the counrty of..." but "a person from that nationality of..."

[@HabaneroTi]

Is there a country called Englishland or Frenchland? No, so what is your point?

[@TheMadmacs]

@@kfirmeibar ashkenazi jews have zero connection to the land of judea. they are converts. the arabs dont see them as jews, 10,000 jews live in iran today, lived there for hundreds of years or more. the arabs see israel as a western colony.

[@Valkyri3Z]

Gosh , whining never stops for these eternal victims. 🤣🤣

[@LightSaber144]

Faint Memories of Deception ---------------------- Serbia-bosnia 1. Serbs and Croats mount joint attack on Muslim town. 2. Bosnian Croats inhumane camp conditions 3. Food convoy 4. Arseny 5. 240 serbs 6. 6 villages 7. Disband 8. Croat Serbs muslims 9. ......