The Ultimate Rank 1 Sub Rogue guide for TWW S1 PvP | Palumor

[@Salohcin2000]

Been an outlaw main forever an never tried out the other specs since I thought they were more complicated. This is the first video where it makes it so ridiculously easy to understand, earned a sub for sure. I've been cranking and have a new found love for sub rogue now

[@Taterfarmer123]

Congratulations on becoming a father!

[@jljhighroller511]

This guide got me to R1 in the first week of the season, thanks Pikaboo!

[@hvdiv17]

wrong streamer and your lying🤣🤣🤣

[@jljhighroller511]

@@hvdiv17 you wouldnt understand 1200 rated newb

[@JamesDeanoli]

@@hvdiv17 tell me you don't understand sarcasm without telling me 🐒

[@CatalysedCat]

@@hvdiv17 errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, you're right 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ............................ lol

[@CatalysedCat]

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[@TheFourHorseMenx1]

BRO your intros are by far the f’ing best lmao🔥🔥🔥

[@n1kcho]

Congratulations friend. You're a nice guy, you should replicate yourself even more. Thanks for the guide. I play some rogue for like a year every time there's a new expansion and I always come back to see what's cooking in your channel - never disappointed.

[@Jake-oj3dn]

man this was the video I needed. my problem with copying talents blindly I havent had a clue how to actually play this build

[@jasonmendoza2044]

Can’t even express how refreshing it is to see an opening w shadow strike, it’s a huge reason I love sub and one of the most satisfying moves to use in the game. So it’s always been lame to see ppl just walking up to stun someone for an opener, boring af comparatively so I’d just create my own using ss anyways lol

[@killersushi10]

Yaaaaay! It finally came out! Awesome content as always buddy :)

[@shanemartin9728]

My man comes back with the bis video nice

[@fi5ke]

Awesome guide as always! God I wish blizzard would make a target dummy reset health button and make the health per player basis. Would be awesome 😍

[@BearCatNationlulz22]

Congrats on the new lady! Thanks for the video you are awesome man!

[@AshenOne-f1v]

Welcome back!! one for Assa pls

[@Yokazz]

THIS!!!

[@ibafy6751]

Enjoy it because hes not staying for long. He needs to make more youtube content or reels too boost his twitch viewership. But the dude doesnt believe people that write this in the chat.. Hope he will change his mind someday and get big on twitch with this tactic like all big streamers did

[@Yokazz]

@@ibafy6751 dude on what sort of crack are u to respond like that on a simple guide request, like wtf

[@ab-bk8fe]

Glady we need a Upadted sub rogue guide ahaha please lol lol.. and grats on fatherhood!!!!!!! father here too !!

[@DraIucard]

He's right pal we're lost we need halp !!

[@CatalysedCat]

good guide & great vid, thanks pal!

[@jonathanleyva9840]

Bro I’ve been playing rogue since my day 1 ( 2010 WOTLK ) , and I always find a reason to play different classes because everyone else puts them below s tier every expac but people like you and peekaboo really pull me back onto my rogue

[@alexsimmons8018]

Yo congrats on the baby bro

[@VonVisualsOfficial]

This is what I needed. I felt my assassin rogue just swatted flies around enemies. I’m switching to Sub.

[@bbfacee]

Lmaoooo so true

[@samisuhonen9815]

There seems to be a bug for death stalker. Or rogue in general. But I suspect it is to do with death stalker. It keeps you in combat and breaks stealth constantly. If you have a rupture, as far as my testing goes, on a target which also has the death mark on it, every tick will cancel stealth even if you get out of combat it will put you back into combat and remove stealth. If you have different ideas to what causes this, or even better, if you have a fix... I would love to know.

[@braaapdaps6814]

Wow. Everyone has been experiencing this. Myself included. First time I’ve ever seen a single opinion on what it could be. Thank you sir. Testing tonight.

[@Marcelo-0000]

Congratulations for the little one!

[@Flubuska]

the legend returns, thanks pal

[@Blackbeard2k]

You been carrying me since I came across you in Shadowlands... thank you. And congrats on the babygirl.

[@paulrichter1846]

Hey, can u do a video for the tactic in arena and shuffle? What is the plan? U want to cc the heal and kill a target? But what u do when u cant kill? And more... How to play rogue in arena?

[@arseniynaumenko1765]

I think there us a better min max opener, if you hold symbols until after the first evisc, it will give you another 15% (compound damage boost) on the big evisc.

[@jawajuice66]

Bro,.. any thoughts of creating an ASSA pvp guide? Nobody's got 1. Ty cheers

[@Palumor]

It has been highly requested!

[@HuffleScrumblo]

Another great vid Pika.

[@desoxy2093]

Thanky you Palumor.

[@derkaman123123]

Is there any video you have that goes over sub rogue macros and keybinds for arena 123 :))

[@xhu_xi]

Congrats on fatherhood man. Do you think you could make a video going over the 11.0.5 Rogue changes and potential builds/playstyles to Sub/Sin from then on?

[@Palumor]

Done 1 now! And ty brother

[@jcvm8915]

The intro was epic

[@LSGunter]

Congrats!

[@Jugernaut305]

Where have you been dawg. I told you on twitch the other night. I’m a man Without a country here without your one shots and guides. You had me main an enh shaman out of abandonment. Finally I can start!

[@ewolving]

Nice that your back ❤❤❤

[@Andrew-yl7lm]

Im looking forward to this since everything i fight seems to just be invincible!

[@lasertorsk9161]

Assa guide pleeeease! Zero assa pvp content out!

[@near344]

wait for shadenox guide

[@ravaxuu1569]

ur mogs always on point

[@StuttgartWriter]

How would you open vs a rog ? I mean, against a rog there is not much room for strike + rupture

[@paintballguj904]

where did you find that they are removing ingrovating shadowdust?

[@pohpretty2790]

Awesome tmog bro

[@deansukkar7829]

Hey Palumor, Love your content and as a new aspiring rogue you are a amazing. Do you think we could get a look at your macros and maybe what you look for going into certain arenas for kill targets/cc/goes that type of thing with generic rogue comps, big ask but I thought I'd try 😅😅 Keep up the good work.

[@Palumor]

I do a lot of educational commentary on my stream to be honest, the best way to learn would be there!

[@MrZozotier]

@@Palumor we need that one shot macro of the season brother XD im still waiting

[@n1cl4s]

I know it is going to be a good one if there is some great random sketch at the beginning of the video.

[@Neuhx]

Should I maintain Slice and Dice at all times, or only use it when there are no active cooldowns?

[@Aikicyoaz]

Gratz on the baby mate! Its amazing having children!

[@And_Rotate]

what do you think of the upcoming changes removing vanish CDR

[@lukaku2095]

7 rank 1s… he knows what he’s talking about.. to say the least !

[@ross795]

yo how do i make a thiefs bargain weakaura i cant find it on the list to make it

[@inspyre4312]

U think echoing still good after change?

[@BozidarDulic]

Yoo palumor, great guide, ty for that. I have one question though, i want to play rogue/mage in 2s and since i need to keep my kill target locked (stunned) without any gaps, especially when the frist global needs to be cheap shot. How should i perform my rotation, since i can not put rupture before cheap shot for above stated reasons. Thank you in advance

[@Palumor]

I would just play trickster and echoing over sepsis, way more fun in 2s dont need to play around mark

[@Taterfarmer123]

I prayed for this day!

[@camelCaseLogin]

What is the addon that is making CC and Healthback so big? :O

[@LazloArcadia]

Congratulations on your baby girl!!

[@YokaiKage]

Keep pump'n the YT vidz

[@ilevitatecs2]

What’s the macro to “press every button” dance/badge/symbols/tea

[@Palumor]

Thats all it is. /cast x /cast x Etc all the way down with the spells! Sry on mobile

[@ilevitatecs2]

How do you keep your primary action bar from changing when you’re in stealth or not? And what’s the ambush/shadowstrike macro?

[@Palumor]

The macro is just a different icon to look cool!

[@erikbollo1453]

Hey chef :) I want to try to play rouge. I never try it, but now is the moment. I Didint try it becuase i had a lot of respect from the rogue because he is very complex and difficult :( Can you tell me witch specc is very beginner friendly?

[@Palumor]

Sub is great for beginner

[@Schroedinger1887]

In arena: Do you open up with your burst right away to keep up the momentum or do you wait for trinkets to be used? Dps tend to use their trinkets early when they get interupted during cds.

[@Palumor]

If you can generate pressure yes send it for sure, if you’re getting peeled or have no cc etc maybe hold on a sec!

[@freddyfreund3867]

keep up that sick content

[@AlphaBicep]

I swear it’s underrated how funny ur intros are☠️☠️

[@HuffleScrumblo]

Are you sure rupturing first is the play? I feel like tempo lost is big issue

[@Nazskul]

awesome stuff, you don't take the bait and switch talent? Congratulants mate

[@TheGamerGuy1981]

So ...if a rupture dot is such a focus for sub, wouldn't assassination just be a better pick for that style of play? Forgive me if it's an ignorant question,rogue is a class I have not played since OG vanilla so I'm clueless. Many thanks on the video, especially taking time with a kid. From one dad to another.

[@ilevitatecs2]

It is. Sub is only playable in 2s

[@andrewsilk2537]

whats the random sepsis for?

[@Stepdadgaming]

whats the addon called that shows you what spells you use

[@goya3520]

So which one is for Pvp ? Sepsis Right?

[@RitterFitness]

Can you share macros and what not?

[@Osiris261]

i hit 3.5 crit mil on pvp dummy as sub :D + the 20% shadow dmg from shadow blades.. so 4.2 mil... not bad

[@dazmord]

Can you show us your macros for your abilities?

[@Ohripski]

Can you give a link for the WA for thief's bargain? Can only find DF version and it doesn't seem to trigger like yours

[@Palumor]

No weakaura just TMW! If you do !TMW in my twitch chat you can find a clip to explain how to set up.

[@Ohripski]

@@Palumor thank you and congrats on becoming a father!

[@CBreezyy01]

TY for the video brotha

[@prestonalderson2173]

need one for outlaw when u get the chance!! btw awesome video

[@Velethar1337]

waiting for episode 2!

[@shadennedit9015]

why is sepsis not giving me full combo points while blades is up ?? is this a bug ? also lingering darkness says its give 0% shadow damage ..

[@Palumor]

Prob tww bugs :/

[@makonus5064]

What the free chest thing? Im not sure I understand, and what helm is that?

[@makonus5064]

The gearing is the part I dont understand, can someone please translate

[@yallia6197]

@@makonus5064 When you get 1600 rating in any bracket you'll receive a token in the mail, you can then go to Azhj Kahet and trade that token for any tier piece. There is 2 NPCs, one sell PvP tier sets, one sell PvE tier sets so make sure you buy from the right one.

[@Hinox1337]

hey palu, how do you open as sub rogue when u play rogue mage in 2s? it doesnt work when i strike into rupture and then cheap :S since ppl react

[@Palumor]

Trickster with echoing better prob, dont need to strike for a mark!

[@the_sasukke8776]

Your opener is interesting. What I've been doing is similar but in a different order. 1. First I open with shadowstrike and rupture but without using blades in stealth. I do this to take advantage of premeditation, which gives you full combo points. I feel it's too risky to use blades into an opener without stun, if you get stopped you lose your most important CD. 2. Then I use blades + dance with symbols, tea and trinket. I use cheapshot to generate a first stack of dance macabre and get 7 combo points. 3. I use eviscerate, then sepsis to generate another 7 points + 2 more stacks of dance macabre. 4. Finally I use secret tech, which should be improved by all the previous setup and the tier set. 5. Then cheapshot > evis > cheapshot > evis. I know I'm losing damage, but it's the rotation I've been using since DF and I've gotten used to playing around dance macabre instead of deathstalker stacks. Personally I prefer the trickster gamestyle because it's more similar to what the spec should be, with burst and setups. Sadly, it's a build with a lot of counterplay and energy issues, and it won't exist soon because echoing is going to be reworked. I miss bursty sub, is a rupture spamming machine now. Of course is strong, but if I wanted to play around dots I'd play assa.

[@Themaedras]

Does the first build also works for Rog-Mage 2s? I'm asking cause I problably need to engage with cheap instead of shadowstrike.

[@Palumor]

Trickster > Deathstalker imo for 2s with a mage

[@zachyang3816]

what embellishment you use?

[@Palumor]

Vers when high HP is what I've had.

[@jayphnx]

I don't understand the use of echoing reprimand here - you make the 3rd combo point blue but you never use any 3-point finishers so how did using the ability add to the DPS? Just asking cos I'm confused by this ability.

[@Palumor]

It's about the base damage of the ability, not the anima point

[@mcolli58]

What does "Use 1600 freE piece on chestpiece" mean? refering to gearing advice from kalvish

[@Palumor]

When you get 1600 cr you get a token you can turn in for a free piece of epic gear for either pve or pvp.

[@mcolli58]

@@Palumor thank you!

[@patrickruitenbeek7298]

how do you have ambush on sub rogue?

[@Palumor]

It's just a shadowstrike macro with ambush icon for some nostalgia :)

[@wqrrreewewe9443]

What does wpvp gear mean? Is it gear that you buy for bloody tokens?

[@Palumor]

Yep!

[@wqrrreewewe9443]

@@Palumor Got it, thanks!

[@RadmanOZ]

Thanks mate!!

[@Randomzin123]

does anyone know how to track stun DRs outside arenas?

[@Trollkarl3n]

Are you using any type of macros? if so would you like to share? New Rouge player and pvp so macros aint my strongest suit and i never manage to make them good

[@lemikelux5477]

Assa build guide when ? :D

[@Activator-df4gj]

I love these 2010 intros :D Would be awesome with a list of your important macro's as well!

[@zayon0170]

just a lot of /cast [@focus] spellname or /cast [@arena 1/2/3] spellname depends on how u play and fewctricks like sappimg stealthed and removing Dance on stealth for reset mid burst

[@Activator-df4gj]

@@zayon0170 Thanks :)

[@fardrives]

God, I hope they compensate for removing shadowdust in 11.0.5. Just because of how much you have to one trick rogue in order to be good at it, I really hate the idea of playing shadowdust now, only for it to be removed in 2 months.

[@Dylan-hi2kj]

what are some macros u use for rogue ?!

[@MsGrowen]

Can it be put into a macro?

[@sirox14]

Even with more gear than me. i do more dps/burst in my rotation and rupture is def. not main to specc on + kyrian is extra global which is not needed in my opinion. Other talents are little bit easier and stronger

[@Sellvc]

Make a outlaw guide and sin guide it would be op!!!!!

[@AnglofDoom]

What addons do you use for Cooldowns and debuffs?

[@Palumor]

Omnibar!

[@monty5781]

Do you macro thistle tea with dance?

[@Palumor]

Yep! Not the best to do but I cba honestly too many binds. I have a separate tea bind too

[@shadowbanned3044]

Why would you use blades before Shadowstrike? Isn't that just wasting duration of it?

[@Palumor]

Just for the most min max opener to avoid thiefs bargain dmg reduc. Dont need to do that

[@MicroDaDon]

What are your macros for burst

[@Palumor]

Mostly just symbols/tea/dance/badge is the main one

[@KoreanGengar]

Nice! Can you do for Assa pls?

[@trito1203]

Why not strike then kidney, rupture is good for long fight but in burst window its only does 600k in 7s stun. Beside leaving 2 global in open without stun might get CC if 1v1. Even with shadowstrike open is risky. I dont know how your first opener can get up to 11mil total. Its rare to see 3.8mil Evis for 3 cast. Mostly its around 2.5-2.8 like a second opener. And yea make 1 for Assa.

[@davidk6427]

Kidney should always be used on the off target I guess.

[@stemphi5821]

@@davidk6427 Wen haben wir denn da? xD

[@harrywhitfield8395]

Congrats daddy

[@voidzero5124]

why not evi first so secret tech benefit from danse macabre more in the first opener

[@Palumor]

Tier set makes finishers do more dmg after sec tech I believe.

[@voidzero5124]

@@Palumor right tyvm

[@Pyrolitix]

W guide

[@veterragas]

Finaly bro