Palworld: 6 Things Pokemon Should Steal

[@ChrisPreece]

I could really see a Pokemon game where the goal is to renovate an abandoned area of the world and become the gym leader as the final goal. Like you not only find the Pokemon you will use as the gym leader but you have to build/rebuild the gym, collect a couple of other sub-boss NPCs to be inside the gym so players have to run the gauntlet. You can choose if you want to be a themed gym or more of a free for all. Put traps in or just have it be a boss rush. You could still fight other gym leaders, but it's to get them to respect you as a fellow gym leader, and you could have periodic fights with either AI or player controlled Pokemon trainers coming to test themselves at your gym. And for the greater multiplayer aspect even basically build your own full gym roster with your friends.

[@flurglhinge3051]

This is a genuinely good idea and I would play it

[@AJadedLizard]

This is the plot of a fan game called This Gym of Mine. It's actually pretty fun.

[@michaelpirrone]

Travel the world collecting Pokemon and dueling the locals in realtime fights, battling Team Rocket, etc. with a town/gym-building sim as the backbone, would make an excellent modern Pokemon game. The combat and capturing in Palworld is fairly simple but generally satisfying, and I bet Gamefreak, properly motivated, could do it even better. End game could be hosting a massive championship at your gym or something.

[@sabrakt]

Sounds fun, but too much of a departure from the usual Pokemon formula, so that'd be a spinoff for sure. Also, since it's a good idea, I doubt Gamefreak will think of something like that.

[@Friendmedusa]

This is brilliant

[@joshuasherman7335]

All I really want is the feeling of building up a team and actually living with them, working with them, spoiling them. I have spent the last two hours gathering wool in my ranch so I can make enough cloth to complete the soft beds for the mega barn I've been building for my Pals that's attached by a side door to my two story house. This is everything I've wanted for years.

[@ranga2050]

This is the thing people often miss about Palworld... You don't *have* to play the ... you can be the good guy, and while its a little harder, its not significantly so......... Wait, that's right, its meant to be an allegory of the real world...

[@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch]

Ya, people focus so much on what you CAN do, since you CAN be mean, you CAN overwork them, and you CAN capture and butcher humans like in RimWorld. But I just love to pamper my Pals and work with them, the game puts the Pals at the front of everything you do giving you more connection to them, Pokemon just doesn't feel like it's putting Pokemon at the front. Pokemon focuses more on the 8 gyms formula and the human characters. Palworld focuses more on the Pals.

[@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch]

There was a time in Palworld where I dodged an attack and it hit a member of a herd that I didn't know was behind me, and the herd of Pals charged into the fight on my side. While it didn't last because my Pal's area attack hit them at one point, it was cool seeing pals on the sidelines react to being in the crossfire. Basically, the fights feel like they're actually happening in the world, where in Pokemon they're battles taking place in some alternate world of their own. Palworld also does interaction so well, so many special and cute animations for them working, relaxing, and petting them, meanwhile Pokemon is just they smile and an effect plays around their head.

[@KratonWolf]

Luke constantly calling the Pals "pokemon" by accident making Nintendo's Poke-senses tingle. XD

[@stevenqu3]

I think the likelihood of Nintendo suing increases the more people call it a pokemon-like game. No, seriously. It's a whole thing with trademarks, IPs, and copyright law.

[@SheosMan117]

Actually, here's a fun drinking game: Every time Luke says Pokemon instead of Pals, take a shot.

[@speedy316uk]

Yeah I got the same thought Luke calling then Pokemon is telling

[@Mr.scooter-le8yo]

They could actually lose the trademark to pokémon if more people start calling creatures pokémon, similar to what happened with band-aids.

[@speedy316uk]

@@Mr.scooter-le8yo not unless Nintendo and Game Freak can prove the plagiarised the Pals from Pokemon

[@mistertadakichi]

I think this is the best, most nuanced take I’ve seen about Palworld yet. The worst case scenario here for Pokemon is that Nintendo swings the litigation stick at Palworld but then learns NOTHING in future mainline Pokemon iterations.

[@ladyzapzap9514]

Pokémon has been coasting on the same formula since they started ‘remaking’ older versions for new systems.

[@TheRawrnstuff]

Considering how aggressive Nintendo is to pursue legal action, I don't think PalWorld is in danger of litigation. Nintendo absolutely would've already, if they had a leg to stand on.

[@nyysjan]

@@TheRawrnstuff If they were going to take legal action, they almost certainly already would have. So pretty sure Palworld is safe from that direction at least.

[@timogul]

They call that "pulling a Nintendo."

[@OverlordMMM]

What folks seem to misunderstand is that litigation often takes a while, often times many months, first to determine if there is enough evidence for a case, whether it's worth going after, etc. And that doesn't even include the time actually happening within the court system (which has different rules depending on where the case is being presented). The game was only recently released, any start of litigation will likely occur within a few months. *EDIT:* Some clarification for folks, Nintendo has no case on the basis of Palworld's game design or monster design. However, there's some precursory evidence that Palworld may have utilized Pokemon's models directly, rearranging parts and pieces to create new monsters. This is something that could only be discovered since the release of the game. Nintendo may have a direct case if they can prove it to the courts.

[@Brasc]

1:58 *Luke:* So for instance, I needed to build a hot spring. *Ellen:* Ooo, lovely! That sounds nice! *Luke:* It does sound nice, and it is nice! It's for the Pals to relax in because if they don't relax their Sanity drops-- *Ellen:* _~Giant Anime Sweat Drop~_

[@ForestRaptor]

So in order to have the hot healing water... you need to gut a bunch of penguins and pool the water inside their organs into a tub and heat it up..... ^^"

[@Schwartzwindhero123]

I think Ellen was the one who lost sanity there 😅

[@ShiKageMaru]

I think the success of Palworld is largely up to the fact that Pokémon could have been innovating for the past 25 years and we've all been sayibg stuff like "wouldn't it be cool if your pokemon could ____" but the best they could give us is beauty conpetitions and turning big.

[@ThwipThwipBoom]

I'm so tired of Game Freak's shit.

[@zacziggarot]

Didn't they remove the beauty contests? Or they redid the contests from diamond and pearl and they ended up worse?

[@josephzs1208]

​@@zacziggarot The contests was redone. It wasn't well received.

[@jamie1602]

@@zacziggarot Beauty contests were my favorite thing and they absolutely ruined them to the point of a mindless button mashing mini game. For that alone, Diamond and Pearl's remakes are dead to me.

[@zacziggarot]

@@jamie1602 same, I used to tell my kid about how much fun I had with them. Then I saw how they removed it and my inner child died a little

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

Palworld looked at all those Pokémon stuck in the PC and went "we need to put these to work"

[@michaelpirrone]

And also turn them into sausage.

[@aardbei54]

Tbh we could already send them to the mines and berry fields back in Alola

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

@@aardbei54 true but they didn't stay there forever also the work in Sword and Shield.

[@kyleoates6367]

@@aardbei54 Hasn't pokemon for manual labor been a thing since the original? I seem to recall meeting some foreman/architect using a machop to flatten the ground in the original games.

[@josephzs1208]

@@kyleoates6367 Yeah I remember Machokes being laborers but the topic was barely touched ingame.

[@Tony_409]

I'm surprised Jane hasn't set up her evil scientist base in Palworld yet

[@MegaShepardsPie]

Who says she hasn't?

[@Hlessirah]

@@MegaShepardsPie If she has, I'd love to see it!

[@Jonathon_Hennessey]

Give her time, she will get around to it eventually.

[@OverlordMMM]

If she had an evil base, wouldn't she keep it a secret until she was ready for world domination? Give her another day or two for the reveal. XD

[@Lordpooz09]

That we know of 🤷‍♂️

[@TheDarkLordMe]

#7 Difficulty settings. Palworld let's you change your XP multiplier, stamina use rate, DMG multiplier, etc. Seriously recommend changing your pals to have infinite stamina. You can fly forever!

[@The1Coleberg]

Difficulty settings would be such an easy win for Game Freak! There’s no need to alienate kids, and the Unrivaled raids in SV have shown they can make really difficult but still beatable battles for those who want to take them on. They also should find ways to make the games quicker - skippable cut scenes, faster movements, etc, particularly if there’s a way of doing it for a second run through; that’s how you keep streamers coming back for example, where they don’t have to sit through all the boring bits again.

[@RaxusXeronos]

@@The1Coleberg Cassette Beasts, another recent monster collector game, had two sliders for difficulty (plus some extra stuff you could unlock like randomization of creatures from where they spawn, to their very type.). One slider was the AI. It determined how smart the AI played (would they use type advantage, switch tapes, etc). And the other was level. You could set whether or not the opponents scaled with your level and by how much. It is very doable.

[@krimzonknight]

i kinda need to see Luke and Ellen's facial reactions to the whole "you can capture humans in Palworld, and treat them just like Pals" thing.

[@barbararowley6077]

Yeah, I heard about that one. There are some very strange/worrying mechanics in it.

[@twilightvulpine]

​@@barbararowley6077 It is something people have thought about since pokéballs were first shown. Pretty sure there were a couple edgy animations about this on Newgrounds. Palworld just went "what if they weren't"

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

@@barbararowley6077 well you dont have to enslave them and doing soulbreaking labour which would be very inhuman but instead just putting them in a zoo for your pals to enjoy. its a win win.

[@Kar4ever3]

@@barbararowley6077 You do know it's a game right? A fantasy? And just because it's there, you don't NEED to interact with it? Some of you people worry ME with how much real world you draw into a game, rather than leaving the real world outside the game.And makes me VERY worried if people who conflate the two, would do, if you ever got to play something like Rimworld. TL:DR you sound like the religious right under Jack Thomson.

[@Hermititis]

Having just watched Josh at Let's Game It Out do this very thing (surprisingly, NOT to any characters named Grace), that was my first thought when I saw this video's title.

[@draconis3]

Even if Nintendo/Pokemon don't listen, imagine if another IP did. What if this led to the return of Digimon? The humans are able to be a bit more involved, so physically fighting wouldn't be as conceptually difficult as getting a Pokemon trainer more involved in combat.

[@shadowmarine156]

we could see Data Squad taken to a new height or reimagined if digimon took a palworld approach to a game

[@lnsflare1]

I mean, Digimon has been pretty great for the last few years, but this might be a neat evolution to the Digimon World series. Though I guess in Digimon the Pal-owners are the exact type of people you'd be trying to save Digimon from.

[@marhawkman303]

Pokemon HAS alluded to that with the descriptions of certain NPCs. Brawly for example... he uses his pokemon for punching bags.

[@danieltilson4053]

While Pokemon does canonically have several people who are said to spar/wrestle with pokemon to train them, they don't necessarily need to go that route to have the human involved in battle. Give the human a set of orders they can give that boost the pokemon in certain ways. Kind of like the raid cheers from Scarlet/violet, but make them part of your turn. So you can give an order, and then your pokemon acts. Give the player a choice of certain ones as they reach milestones in the game (such as getting a new badge, taking out an enemy team base, or reaching certain numbers in the Pokedex.) I'll give a few examples, and what their effects could be. Brace for impact: Your pokemon resists the attack one step further, but also only deals 75% damage this turn. Strike Again!: your pokemon makes an additional attack of their primary type with low power (low enough to not always be the best option, high enough to not be useless.) I have more ideas, but my break is over. Back to work

[@lnsflare1]

@@marhawkman303 To be fair, even professional boxers would probably be hard pressed to do more than tickle something that is expected to go toe to toe with an Onyx, give or take a certain degree of generic anime superhuman stats.

[@Bruced82]

The Pals yearn for the mines.

[@johnsansker7064]

1:30 "Depresso" is staring directly at Luke's character. With a look that says, "I am absolutely going to murder you for this" , while mining stone at a rate that makes a glacier look fast. #7 On your list should have been "Accessibility". The reason Palworld is blowing up so much? Pokemon on PC. Instead of a platform exclusive, it's available for everyone. Enshrouded just dropped also, and it is basically Breath Of The Wild for PC.

[@wedgeserif556]

You get the same drops when you capture a Pal as when you kill them. Always struck me as weird that, when I capture a chicken, I get a free drumstick. Like, where did this come from?

[@FuncleChuck]

He was carrying his fallen friends organs for some sick reason I guess

[@kamen.rider.decade]

Monster Hunter mechanics!

[@ender8124]

Wait you dont carry a spare leg with you? What if one of yours gets a flat?

[@archellothewolf2083]

Well you see it USED to be a rooster. now it lays eggs.

[@timogul]

The ball only has so much room inside it. . .

[@allgomesareevil6121]

I appreciate Ellen doing the reaction for us. The audience when Luke tells us about Palworld

[@Akherousia502]

I appreciate Ellen. Done. Sentence over.

[@StoicOnTheFence]

I feel like digimon has the perfect premise already for one of these games. They have these super wild evolutionary trees and the creatures are literally bits of data so I think it’d translate better emotionally to do some of the things pal world has done. Like combining the same monsters to make one strong one or have them work actual jobs. It’s been so long since I played a good digimon game, it’d be perfect

[@Xacris]

definitely. And digimon can get weirder than pokemon, like there are digimon that have guns and shoot missiles. It'd fit perfectly

[@peachy_lili]

it bums me out I always found Digimon so ugly overall (subjective I know!) .. the bones of those games and how the monster collecting worked, the data concept, it was all so of its time and incredibly interesting. Monster Rancher was a close second, nearly the same issue for me though.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

​@@peachy_liliI love the Digimon anime way more than Pokemon. It had depth, great character relationships, unique premise, gorgeous world, a gripping plot, and the monsters in it are more threatening and looming. The games were better as well. The vibes of Digimon certainly fits Palworld better.

[@jgr7487]

Wwait, there is a Digimon formula? Each game is pretty much completely different from all others.

[@DerekPaksa]

Yeah. Digimon World 1. There's basic survival with food, poop, and sleep. There's collecting Digimon to revive the village. There's this unique battle system that letting you digimon decide what to do and you can shout if you want to do something specific. And they decide to change to turn based because other popularity. In Palworld there's time that I let the Pal fight. Not all enemy will attack you if you not attack them first directly. Looking your pal fight and hoping I can shout certain skill like Digimon World 1 is something I want.

[@buglord1]

Honestly a pokemon rangrr or rancher game set like this would be nice. The "guns" you get could be used to launch balms (calming and sleeping varieties) and healing items at wild pokemon and some boss mons could be available like the nobles in arceus and beeting/catching them could get you more territory for farming. After you collect a lot of mons you could send them to a professor for studying, sell them to young trainers or release them into the wild.

[@mikemullen8174]

That blue Pal with the pickaxe near the start of the video is definitely planning to go full Spartacus.

[@peachy_lili]

we keep joking about my Cattiva turning into an anarchist catgirl and unionizing all our pals while we're out exploring

[@renegadetla9331]

This absolutely should wake Game Freak and Nintendo up. They’ve gotten really complacent just riding the high of “people like cute pokemon” but there comes a day when most of their fans are older and want more. Give us more, please

[@enlongjones2394]

Sad thing is; regardless of how well Palworld is doing, the Pokémon games are only selling harder than ever with each new installment. The fans may want more of what someone else is selling, but TPC is seeing money from what they’re currently doing, so they’ve no incentive to change.

[@talonus202]

@@enlongjones2394 See this is what i hope Nintendo does in the future. Palworld took the chance and risks so now Nintendo can sit back and take notes. What works, what doesn't and what they are willing to do. With the knowledge gained with a competitors time and money, maybe we'll finally get a novel pokemon game.

[@jeremymarcantel1930]

@@enlongjones2394 except palworld has sold over 8 million copies in 6 days. pokemon hasn't seen sales like that in a couple of years.

[@keatsiannightingale]

wanting more doesn't mean making a game to slaughter pokemon, there are other directions to take...

[@AnnFetamines]

The Pokemon Company is pushing the yearly release so they don't really get to be creative all that much with the IP. It's very similar to how CoD has evolved in the last 15 years.

[@Mini_Squatch]

Mechanically, Palworld resembles ARK and i imagine likely goes for a similar end game: summoning and defeating stupid strong enemies

[@LEGOEPIC1]

yeah, it's drawing a lot of Pokemon comparisons for obvious reasons, but it feels much more like ARK + Satisfactory with a Pokemon veneer (and a healthy dose of rimworld morality)

[@Mini_Squatch]

@@LEGOEPIC1 very accurate description

[@Windworks2486]

I really appreciate youtuber “inthelittlewoods” perspective. He described the same thing about how Pokemon targets a different market but so many of us have aged out of it. Luke shares my sentiment that I want a more mature pokemon game. I don’t care if its only 150 Pokemon, I would rather have more gameplay mechanics than new pokemon. One thing I have longed for that no game has managed is a way to realistically alter attacks or combine them like in the Sinnoh seasons of the anima. Train new moves instead of auto learn, mix leaves into a whirlwind and create leaf storm, destroy the battlefield, combined attacks, etc. There is a lot Pokemon has done in Anima that could spice up the games.

[@Windworks2486]

People also forget about Spectrobes. It was like Palworld fighting with good vibes and excavating fossils. It still had limited interaction with the animals outside of combat, but it was much closer to what we are wanting.

[@aardbei54]

​@Windworks2486 Origins on the Wii was absolutely fantastic. It even had co-op (one player as the human and one as one of the Spectrobes). Loved that game

[@randomthunk]

The situation reminds me of when Stardew Valley came out, and rocked that whole corner of the gaming space. Not a graphics powerhouse, not (surface level) complicated, but man, so compelling, so fun to play, so engaging. I hope this makes Gamefreak/Nintendo attempts a crumb of effort for their future games, because I have found the Pokemon games to be nothing but frustrating for the past decade.

[@wannabesomeone]

While the vibes are definitely pretty edgy, at the same time there are parts that feel so much better than pokemon. You explore the overworld with a Pal out, you can ride your Pal to run faster, you can have a unique Pal mount for running, flying, and surfing, and it feels earned because that's something you caught or hatched and crafted the saddle for. In Scarlet/Violet it's a single mount immediately given to you for all movement types and in Arceus it's a single designated pokemon (that you don't actually have or get to use in combat) for each movement type, and all of these are granted through story progression rather than something you go out of your way to earn. Also, seeing Pals in your base eating, sleeping, working, feels so much more alive than pokemon camps, where you're a static camera watching your pokemon play a single repeating animation.

[@RepKyle95]

Personally, I LIKE the dystopian part of palworld because it kinda actd as a mirror to some aspects of Pokemon that they gloss over. In Pokemon that are pokemon used for labor, and the entire game effectively revolves around glorified animal fighting. I think a Pokemon game that actually portrayed some of that the way it is would be a refreshing take on a stale formula.

[@jgr7487]

Exactly! In S.1, Ep. 2, we see the Pikachu generator. In the 1st Safari Zone arc, they censored the Dratini episode with guns. The early manga.

[@shawngorski9714]

Yep this guy wants the animal abuse, slavery and slaughter without knowing hes doing it 😂 which fair enough but you can do what I do where I play as a good person in palworld and I never ramp up the working speed and I've upgraded all my pals beds to the biggest size while mines still shoddy, and I make sure to cook the best food possible, I also built my base on the side of a mountain so when raids hit my pals are as safe as can be, I mean by all means I think if I lived on the palworld island I would 100% wanna live in my fortress with with endless food and giant indoor beds 😂 I mean tbh if you need the game to treat your pokemon or oals good for you, that says more about you than the game.

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

@@shawngorski9714 Yes exactly. The only dystopian abuse factory in Palworld is the one _you_ build. And you can just as easily choose not to do that and still have a fully functional base full of happy pals.

[@shawngorski9714]

@@aircraftcarrierwo-class yea it's all just a game, my friend works his pals to the bone and it doesnt mean hes a bad person, even tho I chastise him for it 😂 But I have a medicine cabinet with 200 to 300 of each type of medication with salads and chicken in their food bowl so by all means its probably 100x better living in my base than inna pokeball for your entire life lol, only being brought out to dog fight for the amusement of the kid who trapped you, while the kid doesnt even help, I actually take aggro more than my pals in fights because I'm swapping them so often that they rarely take aggro and when they do i pull them back before they're hit usually. Palworld actually allows you to be nicer to your pals than pokemon does lol

[@shadowphoenix68]

It's what I've been saying since Palworld came out. No matter where you sit on the situation between Pokemon and Palworld this is the best thing to happen recently. Either we get a fun game we can play for a long time or this lights a fire under Nintendo and Gamefreak to create a much better Pokemon game and maybe even experiment

[@10tailedbijuu]

yeah, but we wouldn't be getting it till gen 10 in a year or more. or even get it announced, already not a fan of game freak saying they won't do another legends of arceus like game.

[@dizzyheads]

I highly doubt Gamefreak can even get 60% of what theg ame does

[@draconiannecros]

FYI, Luke... You get those items from Pals when you catch them also, you don't HAVE to kill them for the drops lol

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

Monster Hunter Franchise: "nah he had it right the first time"

[@outsidextra]

..oh.

[@OptimusSledge]

Oh good grief, it's Bioshock all over again.

[@edwardgrimes7535]

@@outsidextraMy condolences.

[@Im_leaving]

​@@outsidextra Yes police, this man right here!

[@ColinKillick]

Ellen's comment right at the end about "I want an evee to help me build a shed" makes me think that the way Pokemon could make a "good vibes palworld" might actually be to *also* crib from Animal Crossing. On a gameplay level, it actually has a decent amount in common with a basebuilder--you're collecting resources to construct and upgrade structures--and its aesthetics are a good fit with Pokemon's. Imagine a setup where you're building up a settlement on a totally wild or abandoned island--with the open world and big battles from Palworld that Luke talks about, and then you bring back captured pokemon to your base where they work *with* you (instead of being quasi-enslaved laborers) to construct an Animal Crossing esque town that you need to keep safe inside your walls.

[@playercontinue]

This. This is what I want!

[@RafaelAAMerlo]

I want a Pokémon game with the mechanics being a crossover of Genshin Impact (team composition, skill rotation, Breath of the Wild exploration, domains and bosses, main and side quests, etc) with Animal Crossing (good vibes, resource gathering, social interactions, tendering and nurturing, season mechanics, etc), and Pokémon itself (catching them all, pokedex completion, types interacting, evolution, shiny hunting, gym badges, Team Rocket villains, etc). That's the dream ❤

[@Oshroth]

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but you are creating the town/guild

[@ForestRaptor]

So here you can either hurt a pokemon and then capture it or till it "faints"/escapes , or you befriend them by giving them positive affection/interactions where they decide to follow you?

[@Charbified]

Omg I want an Animal Crossing Pokemon game! That sounds fantastic!

[@DuelingDexperts]

The guy on Twitter who compared the models recently admitted to rescaling parts of the models to make them fit better with the pokémon ones. So there's that lol

[@everettjohnson9374]

Lol except they are the same models, you can't scale up or down a model and assume it'll be fine. They are Pokemon and that's the only reason people have played the game, they should have just created their own spin on it and didn't swap colors

[@sabrakt]

​​​​@@everettjohnson9374Do you even understand what's happening, my dude? The guy who came up with these allegations literally said on twitter "sorry, I lied about it, because I don't like that Palworld shows animal abuse". The whole thing about them being the same models is made up.

[@nashvontookus7451]

​@@everettjohnson9374 They're not the same models. They don't have the same polygons

[@TMFisms]

​@@everettjohnson9374they're definitely not the same models. The guy who made the claim lied and had to modify the models to make them close to Pokémon ones. It's not a copy and paste

[@aishaali9771]

​@@everettjohnson9374yeah sorry my guy that's not how it works

[@photoo848]

One of the things I felt missing from Legends Arceus was the option to expand the base camps into villages. There's some hints in the main hub where you can loan ground & water pokémon to till extra fields but it's not taken far enough (by miles)

[@thebpphantom]

Wait, you're just capturing the Pal's? Capture the bandits! Cannibalism is the true meta :)

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

Or sell them to the Black Market Merchant. They are more profitable than your Pals. XD

[@atomicskull6405]

@@bloodwolfgaming9269 Go full FMA and fuse multiple humans together in the condenser to create more valuable "unwilling workers".

[@ForestRaptor]

wait really!?!?! XD @@atomicskull6405

[@TheRoyal30]

Crazy thing is that you can even butcher captured pals and/or humans for resources.

[@dillionbarton8383]

When you play Pokémon, there should be a button that lets you switch from controlling the trainer to controlling the Pokémon. When you are the trainer, you can recall and send out Pokémon on the fly, give out health or status items, and throw Pokéballs. When you play as the Pokémon you can fight the other Pokémon, dodge, and attack. This is perfect with a 4 button control scheme, because Pokémon only know 4 moves anyway. Whichever you are at the time, the opposite is controlled by the computer. I think it could work.

[@radekplug82]

i want to see pokemon when as trianer activly fight with enemy pokemons even fght other trainers activly kill trianers and their pokemons. in old pokoemon manga with is oficial pokemons kills echother even kill traineres.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

Basically, use the FF7Remake combat system with the trainer as the support class.

[@AJadedLizard]

I'm still holding out for a Legends: Kyurem game where you have to free colonial Unnova from the clutches of Galar with the help of Kalos and Paldea. You could do some of these same things with it, such as building an actual army rather than just a series of pens where you keep your Pokemon when not in use, or expanding the player space by liberating new areas.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Yes please.

[@danteJcross]

Its also worth noting that it's still in early access. adding good vibes to palworld isn't out of the question (though totally unlikely)

[@stevenharper9108]

At best, it’ll be tongue-in-cheek vibes.

[@ForestRaptor]

God it has to be, because the things existing the way they do without a "we don't think it's a good thing to do" moment is... yeah... it's the dark mirror looking back at you and nodding back with a sick smile. Something to acknowledge the dark that exists here@@stevenharper9108

[@stevenbart2375]

The way I've heard Palworld described is, it's not Pokémon with guns, it's ARK with Pokémon.

[@Liquidglitch]

Wow that bit where Luke reads his manifesto from the laptop at the end is eery. Palworld has radicalized him

[@JDWonders]

Ellen's reaction to the questionable Palworld activities/options is pure gold.

[@JDWonders]

And I 100% agree with everything that Luke said. I personally can't get into Palworld because I am very offput by the idea of these cute creatures being put into not-cute situations. If I wanted to shoot guns or hunt animals I'd go play a different game. Palworld is really fascinating though. I'm amazed at how its creators were able to weave together so many different gameplay elements. I was playing Horizon: Forbidden West yesterday and seeing Luke's character using a bow+arrow, dodging attacks, while being backed up by a Pal companion gave me the feeling of playing H:FW. Very interesting that a game can successfully pull off the "everything, including the kitchen sink" method of game design.

[@atomicskull6405]

@@JDWonders You can capture humans in the palsphere and do all the same things you can to pals with them including butchering them for meat and materials or fusing them together to make composites in the condenser (the game doesn't care about gender either it'll just create an average of everyone you threw into the condenser together). The game is basically a war crimes simulator.

[@StrikeNoir105E]

@@JDWonders Unlike Horizon though, you get to keep what you captured and put them to work. Can you imagine though, a Horizon game with base building and survival mechanics?

[@lyredrake6761]

I haven't played Palworld, I don't really have an interest to do so, and I think the "good game bad vibes" vs "bad game good vibes" argument perfectly sums up why. I've loved every Pokémon game I've ever played, but the latest two generations of 'main' games have **really** fallen short on general production quality. The vibes have still been great imo, and I've literally (according to my Switch) spent thousands of hours playing each of those generations' games, both replaying the main story and just doing other random things (shiny hunting, competitive battling, etc.), but at the end of the day, they are more clunky and less polished than Breath of the Wild, which was *the* launch title on the Switch so the console is no excuse; and even Pokémon Let's Go and Legends: Arceus, which were also developed by Gamefreak, so the the dev team is no excuse either. I think The Pokémon Company just needs to step back for a bit and let the devs really pour their time, effort, and love for the franchise into the games for once. I really hope Palworld is the fire lit under them to finally make those changes, but I worry it might just make them panic and announce gen 10 too early to show they have yet another underdeveloped horse in the race.

[@NoGoodHandlesLeft]

On the topic of boss battles. Recently there was a story of this group of friends taking on a Pok- I mean Pal that was much higher level than them. It was supposed to be a boss-style challenge. They noticed that it was weak to fire so they filled the immediate area with 20 campfires and lured it around until the fire killed it. Horrible, sure, but it was inventive and the potential for that kind of out-of-the-box thinking is missing from Pokemon. The analogy to a race is a good one. Here is another; Henry Ford. When Ford created the Model-T he captured nearly 100% of the market. But he had an unhealthy love for his creation and refused to innovate even as other carmakers copied what had made Ford successful and took it even further (famously Ford stated in response to requests for new colour options that customers could have any colour car they wanted as long as it was black). Ford's current market share is around 10%. If Nintendo doesn't smarten up they will be heading in that direction because maybe Palworld won't beat them but they have demonstrated that Nintendo *can* be beat.

[@AndyD773]

I find myself fully agreeing with everything Luke says about Pokémon (including the part where an Oxtra MP server would immediately descend into anarchy), and yet also wanting to defend Scarlet and Violet as essentially fun games 😅

[@kayschut9327]

I don't need Pokemon games to be visual masterpieces, though they obviously could look way better. I just need the designs to be good (Gen 9 delivered on that with 3 of them ending up in my top5 all-time favourites), and for the performance to be good (SV did absolutely not deliver on that one sadly).

[@AndyD773]

@@kayschut9327 agreed, and I generally think the art in ScarVi is pretty good - lot of good Pokémon designs and environments. Just that the graphics and performance let them down.

[@gregpeterson5857]

I would love it if the Rune Factory series could take note (a Farm sim with adventure games aspects). Frontier for the Wii did the specific monsters having specific jobs thing but subsequent games dropped that. That should also fit a lighter happier vibe. On the other hand I would also love to see a Shin Megami Tensei version which could be darker.

[@scaryari1403]

OOO A RUNE FACTORY VERSION WOULD BE AWESOME! The leaf elephant in Palworld actually already reminded me of an incredibly similar monster from the rune factory series.

[@peachy_lili]

sldjfsljwlekfjwe Shin Megami Tensei base builder with demon hordes SHUT UPPPP I need it

[@Xacris]

I get such a strange sense as I look at the Pal models... it's like every Pal is the model of an existing pokemon but with the theme of another pokemon. Like that Grizzbolt is Zangoose's model with the theme/color palette of Electabuzz. It gives me uncanny valley vibes because I have played enough pokemon that I recognize the model rigging, but the skin doesn't match what I expect

[@megashock1319]

Honestly true, but it's obviously legal and no one can own the idea of catchable animals

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

To be fair...there are over 1,000 Pokemon...most, if not all, which are based off of some real world animal, mythological entity, or what have you. You pretty much can't make a creature in these sorts of games and not have someone say "Well that's just (insert Pokemon name here)".

[@Xacris]

@@megashock1319 at no point did I mention legality. I personally get a weird bad vibe, and things that are legal can still weird me out

[@Xacris]

@@bloodwolfgaming9269 it's in the way the model rigging is and how they move. It's not that they kinda move like them, they move exactly like them, and seeing model skeleton and animations I recognize with different skins weirds me out

[@megashock1319]

@Xacris it was just bonus info as to why you have an L take. U don't even know what uncanny valley means.

[@foehammer5047]

There's a story about how the creators of pokemon used to laugh at the idea of an open world pokemon game. Literally, they'd receive fan mail suggesting it and would read it out in the office for people to laugh at. And now they're mad people have turned to as game willing to provide them with what they're looking for. After years of refusal to innovate or provide quality game play and now the developers are mad someone else is doing it better.

[@dahn57]

The Pokemon devs have been lazy for years, doing the bare minimum each time they release a new game

[@Omegaroth666]

14:08 I always liked the idea of becoming a Gym Leader in pokemon. You could either take over a gym when you beat it or even just build your own gym. Or become a breeder and have a Pokemon ranch like the "box" system in Legends Arceus.

[@jypsridic]

I don't think 'Base Builder with Pokemon' should be the take away. The take away should be "We've been telling you we want a more mature pokemon game for 20 years now. Here is the proof, we voted with our wallet."

[@Scruffi]

My feelings overlap somewhat with Luke’s. The game in general feels like a big pile of mechanics that were combined mostly because they COULD be. Some of them work shockingly well together, but some feel out of place. Like the guns, and capturing humans, and butchering, et al. In a game that was intentionally making a dark version of Pokemon, this could work rather well, like games that have taken a dark twist on classic fairy tales or children’s stories (American McGee’s Pocket Monsters, or something). But as you say, Palworld lacks that sense of self-awareness and twisted irony. Also I get the general sense they have cut too many corners with design choices - making the Pals too close to Nintendo designs is one that may turn out to be a critical error. “Video games are hard to make” but distancing your designs from one of the most notoriously litigious and influential companies on Earth really should have been a foundational design choice, not trying to see how close you can get before you get hauled into court. This isn’t some in-joke parody that will only ever see views in memes, this is a game that they are apparently really trying to make successful, and I think they could have exercised a lot more care in making sure Nintendo wouldn’t have so many beachheads from which to attack them.

[@atomicskull6405]

They allowed similar dark things in Craftopia it's not a new thing for the developer. Nobody is forcing you to do it it just that if you wanted to you can.

[@madcap830]

You do realize Nintendo stole their Pokemon designs from Dragon Quest II don't you? A game that predates Pokemon by like 9 years. If we're gonna play the "copy" game, then Nintendo isn't innocent either. Which is perhaps why they haven't done anything. Besides, I feel the designs are JUST distinctive enough that Nintendo has no case.

[@jeffreywells1832]

@@atomicskull6405 Naturally, a user can simply avoid optional mechanics to tailor their own experience, but that doesn't stop them from creating a distracting design philosophy that feels dissonant and off-putting. Consider a game that is visually lovely but has bad voice-acting. When playing such a game, it is absolutely reasonable to say "when I played this game, I turned down the voice and just used subtitles". It is also absolutely reasonable to critique that game for its bad voice acting even if you don't have to personally experience it. When forming opinions of a game, it is okay to consider the entire package rather than just one's own self-tailored experience!

[@karlo.with.a.k281]

I think Collector base builders existed before but it was a small game but I want you all to try it. It was called Yonder the Cloud Catcher Chronicles.

[@6Rangiku9]

20:51 Ellen's face had "ngl, that sounds pretty funny and cool and I want to see it!" Vibes. 😂😂

[@ironwolf5802]

I was playing the game while the video played. I find it fun being able to build a base and collect fictional animals.

[@SailorMya]

I was talking to my SO about Palworld and I said I doubt they will take Pokemon's crown but I hope it lights a fire under their butts to do better with future games since they have phoned it in for years now!

[@StarScapesOG]

Pokemon needs an official hard mode. Where gym leaders and trainers have a mix of Pokémon, higher levels, and better AI.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Battle frontier was basically that yet it's another mechanic they introduced and then proceeded to half ass every gen after

[@angelitabecerra]

I feel like PalWorld does understand itself and its internal irony/parody. Between some of the mechanics and how they're presented, down to the PalDex entries. It's not shoving it in your face per se, but it's there.

[@HogFlamboli]

For anyone arguing in favor of punishing Palworld for their legal transgressions, I have a counter: the ducks in the game are called Fuacks. For me those are enough to clear the team of any wrong doing (I'm joking, I swear)

[@ForestRaptor]

Palworld doesn't give a Fuack XD

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

"A solid game with bad vibes." You literally described my perfect game

[@RAHelllord]

Palworld is the Pokemon Warcrime simulator where you basically start the original generation 1 Team Rocket. The vibes are incredibly edgy but also pretty fun. Would definitely love a little more polished and a little less edgy version from a more seasoned studio.

[@SmallvilleStudio]

Palworld is the game that PETA always accused Pokemon of being.

[@bloodwolfgaming9269]

I mean...the game is still in an "open beta" sort of stage and developers say that the full game is only about 60% complete. The polish will come if people just give the developers time to do so.

[@RAHelllord]

@@bloodwolfgaming9269 That's the hope, but I've personally tempered my expectations quite a bit. Their previous title Craftopia has been in a "1 year" early access for over 3 years now, and a lot of the issues that game has are present in Palworld as well. I am hoping the cash infusion from Palworld will help the studio polish both games up to near perfection, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

[@ka-mai]

Nintendo would still sell it as two separate games: Pokemon War and Pokemon Crime

[@problempal5395]

The thing with Pal Word that I feel like doesn't get talked about is that, even if the models aren't stolen, they didn't have to make largely unoriginal designs. I feel like the designs have two main issues, that being that they're lazy but also thry don't look like they fit in the world They could have taken inspiration from games like Ark or Monster Hunter for their animal designs or even just make original Pokémon design. But that way they couldn't advertise themselves on 'you shoot Pokémon'. Also same thing with the guns, from the footage I've seen, the guns just look weird

[@ryanwillingham]

the fakemon community (and the recent release of cassette beasts) is proof that you can make interesting pocket monster designs without looking like they copied pokemon's homework poorly

[@jocosesonata]

The funny part is that Pal descriptions are only _just_ one step above some Pokedex entries.

[@ForestRaptor]

in the horror meta?

[@DragonKnightJin]

@@ForestRaptorOh yeah, some of the Paldeck entries are *messed up*. Bringing to mind some of those horror-vibe Pokédex entries of yore.

[@FamusJamus]

"It puts those it is interested in to sleep and shows them an endless stream of happy dreams. Those who fall under its spell are never to wake until death takes them." - Daedream description

[@Socioromanticism]

16:50 Ellen: "Pokémon, you could do that!" No, they can't. Game Freak really, really can't. And I love Pokémon. Of all the things they can do well, that is not it.

[@adiemuller5422]

I really enjoy this video! I feel like it unpacks Palworld really well. I haven't played it because it looks kindof... dark, but it makes sense why it's so popular. And a great point about this now being an upcoming fad to fill that niche. I yearn so much for a Pokemon game that's actually fun like the old ones used to be for me in the early 2000's!

[@andyfox4484]

The vibes of the game are very misleading. Theres is no blood or gore, violence is only present in the form of hunting and battling wild pals and poachers, but the pals defeated are allegedly "knocked out" and even have the goofy spiral eyes to signify they are not actually dead. You don't have to use guns and even if you do, again there is no blood or gore, the Pals deal with bullet attacks the same way Pokemons deal with fire blasts and eletrocutions, they seem to only be superficially harmed by them. And ultimately, although you CAN overwork them at your base, you absolutely are not forced to do it, they can work willingly and at their own pace and they will show happiness to contribute to you and theirs mutual survival, hell you can even build hottubs and comfy beds for them 😂

[@nuldorvamoysenor2091]

It's not pokemon with guns, it's pokemon meets Dungeon Keeper... WITH GUNS!

[@jasonmark5906]

Probably gonna get flamed for this but I feel that Pokemon shouldn't copy Palworld. They offer different experiences and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not everything needs to be a difficult real time action-adventure.

[@The_Maddeath]

side game would be fun, but I would be pretty unhappy if the mainline games dropped turn based

[@umbralflow6883]

The way I see it about the cruelty of the pals is that's its all on the trainer. When I hear comments like the game is cruel on animals I what I hear is "I'm cruel to my animal". The game lets you do those things yes. But you could play and make a life of luxury for your pals and treat all conditions your pals may face if you want to. They even work better if you treat them better and meet your pals demands. Which is closer on how I would think a real monster taming world would work. Palworld treats the pals more like wild animals. More so than Pokemon does.

[@gnp567]

For the sake of clarity, the person who made the claim that the models were exact matched later admitted that they scaled parts of the models to actually fit. They actually said so before Nintendo released their statement.

[@NeoSaturos123]

And the only reason that person did that, is because they hate Palworld for allowing players to be cruel to the fantasy animals.

[@katzy785]

....it shouldn't fit even if its scaled thats the thing. Because like. Pal coulda take model stuff and scaled it down. Scaling up and down doesn't matter. Regarldless of scaling it shouldn't fit

[@gnp567]

@@katzy785 You're misunderstanding, they didn't scale the entire model, they literally scaled aspects of the model individually to force the overall to fit

[@katzy785]

@@gnp567 .... if i make a traingle big or small its still a triangle. Like. Okay its a little bit more questionable but it doesn't mean palworld didn't like. Scale down aspects of the pokemons instead of the full model to make it less clear they're stealing.

[@katzy785]

I want game freak to get their butts into gear too tbh. I want them to have competition. I want them to have the funding and time to make good games. But i don't want the game to comepete with them be a game thats stealing models and pokemon designs (they stole from small artists as well)

[@SaviourInBlack]

I think you guys missed something much more subtle about Palworld. The fact that your pals abilities really open up the world to you in the way you can utilize them. For example, it’s dark and cold outside, but I just caught this fire type pal that can light the way and keep me warm, and cook food for me! Something as subtle as that in a pokemon game would make the world feel so much more real, and each new pokemon so much more exciting to see what they can do for you.

[@thatsdruidic]

Bad vibes is right. I saw a video where they captured a human in the ball thingies, had them as a servant for a bit, then butchered them to try and get meat.

[@jamesfreeman3617]

Yes you can do that but the game doesn't make you do it and butchering in general is considered a useless option so your not forced to be cruel to be strong even that shady blackmailed dealer is only their because on higher difficulties you can drop your pals when you die and when this happens you can buy your team back

[@atomicskull6405]

Oh it gets much worse, you can throw multiple humans together in the condenser and fuse them together. The game will create an averaged character model of the people you thew in together and make a single composite NPC with all of their stats combined.

[@thatsdruidic]

@@atomicskull6405 Gods below.

[@dahn57]

@@atomicskull6405 The point is that you CAN but you don't have to. You can do all kinds of atrocious things in many games, but you don't have to, it's down to your personal choice, and that is something that Palworld gives you in spades, choice to do what YOU want to do. But that choice is YOURS, not forced on you by the devs

[@mischiefandmayhem8409]

You could do that in RL too, but I would assume that you're not doing that even though the option is available. So why are you doing it in Palworld?

[@unknowntoall.8280]

True fact: I told my boss all about the palworld controversy, and his first reaction was essentially “I have to buy this before steam takes it down.”

[@morigrier]

Pal world is like ark and pokemon combined

[@gh0stdog89]

It really looks like someone asked an AI-generator to make a Pokémon game. It might have some good elements but - like Luke was saying about dead-behind-the-eyes - it just looks so soulless. I know in Pokémon games you make animals fight until they pass out but having the animals standing on a process line and working to exhaustion just feels so... weird

[@sakura_starlight]

You know it's just a game and those pals aren't real right? In games everything can happen

[@nobledonkey17]

I mean in pokemon for years we literally made puppy mills out of pokemon to breed them till we got that one we wanted and threw the rest away or put them in a box forever.... like pokemon is f'ed up as well most ppl just don't want to see it lol

[@TheRawrnstuff]

I don't think that's what Luke was saying with the dead-behind-the-eyes comment. I think the recent Pokemon games are the ones with less "soul", while PalWorld is more nihilistic - like the Pal _world_ inherently lacks compassion. PalWorld considers things like capturing humans as pals and then slaughtering them for resources to be just a normal Tuesday. That's the dead-behind-the-eyes effect Luke was talking about. But the Pals interacting with each other, actively and happily running to your aid to help you when you're, say, building a fire, the characters feel more like characters, rather than interaction points. But at the same time, while Pokemon games have the more positive vibes in theming and such, nothing really interacts with anything in a pokemon game - things just drone around until the player shows up, at which point it's only the things the player interacts with that react in any way.

[@gh0stdog89]

@@TheRawrnstuff yeah I got what he was saying, it just fit how I see the game very well I was more so copying the turn of phrase

[@gh0stdog89]

@@sakura_starlight say sike bro

[@timogul]

Yeah, I've definitely been waiting for this sort of Pokemon game. I would definitely want the ability to slow the action when making choices like in FF7 Remake though. Also, like you said for "character progression," what I would like to see is something like where you unlock TM and HMs essentially through leveling your trainer, such that once you unlock these abilities, you can quickly train them into any Pokemon you have infinitely, and this would be how you unlock the ability to make them "useful" in the open world, outside of combat. So if you just catch and raise Pokemon, they do combat stuff, but if you level your trainer, you can make them useful for traversal or for clearing terrain or for other fun (non evil) uses.

[@konrad_m_rataj]

Weeell, to be honest, in Pokémon you capture animals and imprison them in small balls, do not feed them, do not give them care, just use them as weapons to battle other animals, so…

[@andyraff4465]

The vibes 100% put me off Palworld. I want Bulbasaur to help me build a greenhouse, not to fire my happy little friends out of a rocket launcher.

[@KaitouKaiju]

How you use the pals is completely up to you.

[@StrikeNoir105E]

The thing about Palworld as a sandbox game is that a lot of the cruelty is optional. The Pengullet Rocket launcher? You have to unlock the tech for it, then craft the equipment, and then have a Pengullet with you. If you don't do any of those steps, then you can't launch a happy little friend out of a rocket launcher. It also says something that the Pengullet rocket launcher is less effective than the actual rocket launcher you unlock by endgame, so the cruelty isn't even the most optimal way to play. Amidst all the memes, Palworld is a game that allows you to treat your pals as humanely or as inhumanely as you want, each with their own upsides and downsides, and the game will not judge you for it. You are the one who decides whether your Pals live in the height of luxury with the best working conditions, or if you run your bases like slave sweatshops.

[@NoMansSkyResources]

The guy who did the 3D model line up has admitted that's fake. He made it up.

[@johncanderson162]

The more footage I see of PalWorld, the more I’m seeing palette-swapped Pokémon designs. Really curious where this goes…

[@marhawkman303]

@@blackhatfreak He should play Dragon Quest.... then remember Dragon Quest is actually older than Pokemon. :D

[@ohreally69]

Pokemon isn't an original concept either since it takes inspiration from myths and stuff....Pal World does copy many designs,but it doesn't change the fact that its way more fun than Pokemon could ever be (I'm a Pokemon fan who has grown out of the boring gameplay)

[@peachy_lili]

there aren't any palette swaps, just some obvious homages. source: 41 hours of play

[@zombieham904]

I fully believe that the Pokemon Company could make a bunch of money from any Pokemon game they released (or at least they could have before losing a bunch of goodwill with Scarlet/Violet), so they absolutely SHOULD experiment more with different types of games. Like imagine a farming sim like a Stardew Valley where you get Pokemon to help you on your farm? Or they could go all out and make a truly terrifying horror game centered around ghost Pokemon. I love Pokemon, but I just wish they experimented a bit more with different types of games set in that world.

[@agoatghost36]

If you want a farming sim with captured monsters helping on the farm, or fighting by your side, I would recommend the Rune Factory series.

[@FalseHero004]

I haven't had the chance to try Pal World, but this is definitely making me want to! I agree with everything Luke said; hopefully Nintendo/Game Freak listen.

[@iagrim01]

Palworld should be the writing on the wall for Game Freak. It should show them that their complacency is catching up to them and many fans will soon reach their breaking point with the franchise, as I have. And if they don’t start improving their games, another game will fill that vacuum you described. But do I believe Palworld‘s success will actually move Game Freak? No. Never will I trust Game Freak to output anything inspired AND consistently well playing. They don’t care what Pokémon fans want, and they probably don’t even care about this game‘s success. All because the franchise that is Pokémon and it’s loyal fanbase will make them boat loads of money either way, even if they copy and paste every series installment for the next century. Sorry for the rant, I just find Game Freak‘s mistreatment of the biggest IP ever super frustrating lol

[@killertruth186]

The “pokemon with guns” part was already in the anime. But the pokemon themselves aren’t the ones who have been armed with guns.

[@N0d4chi]

Call it Pokemon Mayor, let you build a city. Manage it, get electric pokemon for electric workers, they work in power plants with the right pokemon etc. Easy

[@jmacosta]

There's a sense of wonder to the Pokemon world that no other franchise has come close to replicate. That's what makes it appealing for kids. That's why Pokemon Concierge works. It's not about the battles really, but about the charm and aesthetics. About lore and deep suspension of disbelief when you read their Pokedex entries. It's also about nostalgia. Palworld seems cool and edgy on the surface, but you can't see it becoming an interesting world because that edgyness will drive it into trying wilder and more edgier things as years pass. Look at Fortnite and PUBG. That's the kind of transformation that western games undergo when they fail to stick to their worldbuilding and everything goes to keep themselves relevant. I believe it's ok for Pokemon to stick to their original vision of what their world is and should look like, however, I believe that it's unacceptable to be one of the biggest money makers in the planet and still put out unrefined and lackluster games such as S&V. It's like they got all the right ideas, and all of them are scattered across different games and forms of media. If they made (or remade) a game that used New Snap's graphics, Arceus's approach to gameplay and mechanics, and S&V's storytelling, while implementing an expanded interaction to all pokemon (even if it meant a huge development effort), we'd be looking at a TotK-Tier kind of game. Pokemon's Achilles heel and biggest strength ironically is to play shit too safe for their own sake.

[@jamestaylor713]

I 100% would binge as many videos of Luke playing this as he can produce before Nintendo lawyers put a stop to it.

[@b3a5t89]

Trailer came out 2 years ago, and Nintendo is notorious for being no nonsense from a legal standpoint. If they had a case they would have shut it down by now.

[@PewPew_McPewster]

They shut down a Palworld mod using Pokémon assets WITHIN A DAY, while Palworld is given the "we're looking into it" despite being on the radar for about 3 years. I don't think they intend to take much action, nor do I think they can take much action.

[@DragonKnightJin]

@@PewPew_McPewsterThey put out the "We're looking into it" message to get people to STFU and stop spamming them about it. They *KNOW* Palworld is out there. They also know that they can't do shit against it, because Pocketpair made damn sure they were legally in the clear with this whole project.

[@NimiKhan]

Regarding pal interacting with the world and the player: near the old church to the northeast of the starting location, there are two Mammorest that fight each other. If you get some upgraded spheres, you can easily catch both, or if not, just loot the remains of the first one to die.

[@peachy_lili]

haha. my partner and I wiped on those tonight. wasted so many spheres and ran out but it was so badass just to watch.

[@Nagato_Morito]

Just wanted to say that while I don't agree with any of these (except for allowing Pokemon to make contact with one another), I appreciate the opinions of the presenters and the work put into making the vid. Please keep it up!

[@deenoverturf5936]

...You need to include that pals have been known lorewise to eat humans that wash up in the land...And they will do it in front of you if they see a corpse. Either way, well-nuanced take!

[@DeathofanEra369]

Now, too be fair, you can be as mean or as nice to your Pals as you want. I have 4 hot springs and let a few chill in the pasture. The most tasked Pals I have are making food for us all. The 2nd are the ones on defense against the syndicate. I might kidnap Pals but our home is super nice.

[@peachy_lili]

I am giving everybody their own little cubby/room soon. I treat it like a hotel, and tasks are spread out so everybody gets a lot of break time. it's excessive but so is longterm resource production :D TL;DR we rich now yall we can afford it

[@G00N3R7883]

I'd like to see more videos like this, just generally chatting about games, not a review as such but just a few thoughts for what you like and don't like about them (with Andy, Jane and Mike too, whoever has played the specific game).

[@dogishappy0]

Remove the base building, and you get what I wanted from Legends Arceus. If all Pokemon did was added real time combat with attacks that have a set area of effect you need to aim, I would have never played Palworld.

[@sakura_starlight]

Honestly legend Arceus had so much potential that they left it to die in dusts

[@svenabel2987]

My very first interaction with Palworld was wild, someone in a Discord server posted the picture with the 4 Lamballs with heavy machine guns and I thought "huh, that's a weird out-of-pocket meme" and a day or so later I opened Steam, looked at the frontpage and almost had a stroke

[@Mysterious-Stranger]

I don't really want a Pokemon base builder. I really like the core turn-based combat of Pokemon (even though the animations could do with being a lot shorter and the interface much smoother) I do hope this lights a fire under Nintendo to really improve their next Pokemon game, but I also hope they don't make it too much like Palworld. (also I actually kinda like the more mature tone of Palworld from what i have seen - I haven't played it mind you - and would personally like it if Pokemon took a step in that direction... but they never will)

[@Potataro454]

They managed to perfectly describe my issues with both Pokemon and Palworld: "If Pokemon is like a sort of dodgy game, great vibes, Palworld is the exact opposite... Good game, horrible vibes." 6:30 I want to love Pokemon, and I want to root for Palword, but both are dancing around what I actually want to play: a fun monster collector where my monsters can be an active part of the adventure, rather than just tools to progress from Point A to Point B. Also, why guns in Palworld, why not just give them cool swords and spears and bows?

[@yuliusfrancis9542]

thing is, THERE IS a sword, just locked behind level 44, near end game level.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

The slavery mechanic in Palworld is really the logical conclusion of what the entire concept of Pokémon is. Pokémon is essentially a universe of legal animal abuse, except for that one city that the Detective Pikachu movie takes place in. It is hilarious to spell it out loud though

[@10tailedbijuu]

though that is just from looking in and not having played it all one's life, animal abuse is forcing the animal to do something, the pokemon typically are fine to battle each other. it is like young lion cubs or any other young animal practicing with fighting each other.

[@AJadedLizard]

This is honestly a conclusion you can only really come to if you've not played any of the games.

[@mistersir9670]

Yeah, i just think that palworld is pokemon before laws were a thing LoL

[@jamesfreeman3617]

​@@mistersir9670that's the thing pokemon is set in a civilized world world yes it has its problems but it is far safer then a wild island also isn't it stated that pals are unique to that island there not a common thing

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

@@10tailedbijuu And it would be just as abusive to capture lions to fight each other.

[@KizMyname]

It is clear that Luke hasn’t tried to capture a human npc in a sphere, fail, and then read the text that calls the human “Cheeky bastard!”

[@AngelBeatYunara]

It's definitely one of those games where I don't know what to make of it. On one hand the fights etc seem fun, on the other hand I'm really not into basebuilding games at all.

[@infern0711]

I am normally not into base builders either. I’ve bounced off of Minecraft, Valhiem, and Ark. But Palworld has kept me engaged because it’s got a lot more than just building and getting more stuff so you can build.

[@nightmare62089]

I think this is the first time I haven't heard Ark mentioned as a comparison for Palworld. It is a solid game(for early access anyways from what I've played) and I personally kind of like the more grim vibe to it.

[@Violinoknight]

I was waiting for you to cover this honestly. It's not the greatest game but I enjoy it a lot more than pokemon.

[@michaelpirrone]

It's not a "Pokemon killer" game but it's definitely a "Pokemon is on notice" game.

[@Icefire007007]

On some level I feel like "Basebuilder with collection elements" is an evolution of the Viva Pinata formula, and I'm completely here for that idea. I haven't played Palworld itself, but would definitely try a good vibes version if it came to consoles I use.

[@jamesfreeman3617]

Most of the mest up stuff he mentioned you have to actively commit to do like nobody forces people to be horrible

[@SevCaswell]

A version of the game is available as part of PC Game Pass. It's not the same version as the Steam version, so there is no cross-play, and doesn't have dedicated servers yet but it is 'free' and you can invite friends into your world.

[@jamesfreeman3617]

@@SevCaswell also there are some benefits they patch the exploits first on pc so it gives you time to use them also because of last patch a lot of people basically got a free ancient technology when they swaped the pal statue and the egg incubator

[@ffwng3992]

Luke's #1 take of meaningful, real time combat is what I've wanted from Pokémon for years now. And they aren't strangers to the idea since they made the Pokkén game.

[@SusurrusBlue]

Largely agree with Luke. I love the idea of a game where my Rosalia helps me with the gardening, I ride around on a Rapidash, Machoke helps me build, and the swimming pool turns into a hot tub when my fire pokémon swim with me. Homestead poké sounds lovely. Actually, I would play a game that is just that new nexflix pokémon island vacation show. The idea of butchering my pokémon or making them work in factories or in mining chain gangs, makes me feel a little ill. For that alone I could never play Palworld. (also was that a MCC reference?, "with my power, and grandma's power, and mum power... that's all the same power")

[@DjimonMoz]

I'm sorry, can we stop making a big deal of Palworld's depiction of using Pals for labor? Pokémon does the exact same thing, it just doesn't show it so explicitly. Or are we just gonna pretend that we haven't been using Pokémon for transportation, tree cutting, boulder moving and everything in between since Gen 1?

[@cerberus144]

I think a Pal World with Digimon where you go into the Digital world and make bases with Digimon filling the world where you get armor and weapons (I would say like pew pew space guns not real ones) to help out your Digimon would be the best.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Digimon Survive if it was actually a game.

[@Kazeko2012]

On the note of pals interacting in the world I came across a pack of the wolf like pals kill and eat another pal. Took me so by surprise I stood there doing nothing. Not something I'd want in Pokemon but interactions between mons would be amazing.

[@garjian0]

Why not though? Pokemon has referenced predators and prey throughout every generation. Why not have them hunt and fight each other?

[@KaitouKaiju]

The best Pokémon can do is a horde battle with somewhat related species

[@dahn57]

It's just natural, it's what happens in nature, and having the Pals be PART of the nature of the world is just one of the huge improvements over Pokemon that they have made