Pan's People - Jeepster

[@phillipecook3227]

The natural beauty, no tattoos, lip filler or botox, the energy, everyone having fun .... 51 years ago yet it almost seems it could've been recorded last week.

[@malatochnik]

Я с Вами полностью согласен!

[@heavenlyboy9698]

There’s nothing wrong with women who have all of those things 😊

[@tomcook3860]

@@heavenlyboy9698 yes there is if its too much. My young niece and nephew are terrified of a mother dropping her kids off at school. And not just them quite a few others. The woman has had far too much done and looks scarey. Kids have a right not to be terrified. Btw im an adult and Sly Stallones mother frightened me.

[@heavenlyboy9698]

@@tomcook3860 that’s pretty ignorant tbh. Some kids are used to their parents having all of those things and other kids can be perfectly fine with it. Honestly, how did children come up in this anyways? People, specifically women, can have whatever they want on their bodies and still be very beautiful. If you are not attracted to those things, then that is fine.

[@tomcook3860]

@@heavenlyboy9698 i didnt say i oppose it. Im telling you kids were traumatised by seeing someone who'd gone over the top with fillers and botox. When people who dont quite look human it can spook some people out . In robotics its called uncanny valley.

[@littleitalyblogspot]

'Something for dad.' 😂

[@Jon-es-i6o]

That’s the reason why they came up with with the idea for Pans People. To get dads to watch TOTPs.😄 Next day at work the dads were talking about seeing Pans People the night before.😍

[@stephenhowell5611]

@@Jon-es-i6o The GoJo's were the first totp dancers until 68. apart from something for the dads (and their nipper ) they filled in for acts that couldn't appear, because of them I got to watch totp ☺

[@buddybeetle]

My God. Those were the days. Real girls. Real music. Pans People helped me grow up !

[@robharding4028]

man! as teenagers back in the 70's, we were spoilt rotten, Thursday nights will never be the same without these beauties.

[@sydneyriney5217]

My dad was born in 1970 mom was born in 1971

[@robharding4028]

@@sydneyriney5217 I suppose its all down to how fortunate we are to be born in a certain year, Some of us are just born lucky, depending on your musical tastes of course, But I was born in 57, so the Rock n Roll period was well under way,But I did love the Beatles period in the 60's, and Loved Slade in the 70's.So I wouldn't change a darn thing !!

[@buckduckett]

Yeah... then AIDS ruined everything...

[@robharding4028]

@@sydneyriney5217 Your folks missed some great music, both of those years 70 & 71 were exceptional, only my opinion of course.

[@robharding4028]

@@erikarommel No question about it,there were overweight kids, But no where near the numbers today. They would be bullied mercilessly by the other kids,God knows how they get on in school today.

[@TimothyForbesXXI]

That truly was a special time!!! I wasn't aware of Pan's People, since I'm American, but I sure do appreciate them!!! I wish this had run on US television. These ladies are a delight!!!

[@scinformation7229]

Check them out dancing to Spirit in the Sky

[@michaelwood875]

we did have the Solid Gold Dancers in the early '80's...

[@stephenfuller300]

As a junior in high school in 71'...I was in heaven with all the mini skirts and natural beauties walking around. Farm fresh...no tattoos or body piercings. God, I miss those days. We were mod.

[@kurtostman6332]

So fucking awesome i miss those days, late 60:s and early 70:s

[@robharding4028]

The best period of all !

[@rebeccataylor1625]

I still have childhood memories watching Pans People dancing on Top of the Pops.💃💯 This clip was filmed almost 50 years ago, and just to think all those young people dancing there would be about in their early 70s by now. RIP T Rex singer, Marc Bolan.🙏

[@juliusilori]

Me being one of them. I was 17 yrs old then, am 67yrs old NOW!!!!....Must be plenty of people easily into their 70's 😆😉

[@admiralcraddock464]

@@juliusilori me too. I remember spilling a glass of beer over my girlfriend while this was on in a disco. strange how somethings stick in you mind

[@juliusilori]

Yes!!....Massive shame about Marc Bolan, he was a genuine one off. It makes me sad the GREAT songs Marc would have produced otherwise, such a shame and a great loss to his fan's!!!..

[@chrisanthony7552]

Real women. I feel so lucky to grow up 60s and 70s.

[@billybigtime2808]

Every single person in this video is fantastic just look at the natural energy in the room the bounce to them all there is no way the modern generation can match that

[@sopyleecrypt6899]

I don’t normally agree with “things were better in the old days” comments, because in many ways they weren’t, but I do think social media has made young people much more self-conscious about their appearance than when this was filmed. The pervasiveness of social media has led to young people constantly feeling “on”, on display and performing all the time, rather than, as seen in this video, just having fun, enjoying the music and the experience of being in the TotP studio. That makes me sad :/

[@Dawn-Songs]

True ... they need to be drinking themselves stupid in order to "have fun."

[@robharding4028]

Contrary to what some people say about the 70's, yes there were strikes, bombs going off here and there, But I was a young man, making my way in the world, had some wonderful friends, had some great times, the Music was cool ! I wouldn't change a darn thing !! Today's society leaves me cold !

[@501sqn3]

Couldn't agree with you more Sir👍

[@robharding4028]

@@501sqn3 Thank you 501.keep on rocking !

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

Yep. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be

[@jack94987002]

The 70s, I'm so glad to have been part of it, no misspent youth just fuckin great times!

[@apsaroka-03]

Louise wow. My absolute favorite. So sad she passed away. RIP Louise.

[@stephenhowell5611]

Four of these ladies have passed away RIP all.

[@gregsmith1070]

No age too

[@apsaroka-03]

@@stephenhowell5611 Yes, Ruth, Andie, Luise and Flick. RIP.

[@Deedee-ee1sg]

Omg how amazing to see this Soo nostalgic!! Take me right back to the 70s and TOTP my fave show as a teen!

[@davemiles1409]

with all this crap happening now would love to be back with real people

[@markandrews5401]

Early 70s ladies..natural beautiful women

[@timothyball7502]

How much money did they get paid? Not a easy job, lots of dancing.

[@tomgulding1774]

They are between 60 and 70 today 😳

[@gazza2933]

@@tomgulding1774 It's not illegal. 😁

[@timothyball7502]

@Ron Catton And a young body. I did some dancing 1960-1970. Had to slow down 1980s. Talent is also a good help.

[@tomgulding1774]

@Ron Catton me, too, immediatly.

[@chrome50]

Every time i watch this i feel young again.

[@patricktully1874]

Wish I could go back to the 70s and 80s best times of my life

[@macca8562]

The days when you were in the street playin footie with your mates, half time to watch top of the pops, then back out again.

[@timothyball7502]

Playin' Dam, you hate the letter G, too. Why G is an important letter. Use the G letter, please.

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

​@@timothyball7502 You misspelled he word damn Timmy boy. 🤔

[@richardparkin4930]

Simply, Wow, such beauty. From an age when people laughed together.

[@stuartsiglain3972]

I just can’t get enough of this song and dancers.

[@johnlatham3854]

The combination (music and dancing) is very near to being perfect. The brightly colored clothes also added to the sensationalism. All of the girls probably never looked better.

[@michaelnaretto3409]

Hip hugging jeans. Crop tops. Heaven!

[@gary1961]

What a job that cameraman had. And us blokes salute him 51 years later. Flick Colby (orange pants) was absolutely sensational. They were all beautiful girls and excellent dancers.

[@kenwoolley3003]

Was that Flick? I wondered who that was

[@Gera1713]

And Tony Blackburn is still on the radio now

[@lkijju]

I always loved Flick, I was 22 when this came out. Thought she was the hottest woman on the planet, God bless her.

[@paulnorcross5954]

One of the best of Pans People.....bang on in sync with the number......

[@billyamundson7051]

Hip Huggers & Hot Pants & HoT rock & Roll the 70's had it all !

[@mjm1330]

It's sad that 4 of 6 of those beautiful dancers are no longer with us RIP Ruth, Andie, Flick and Louise

[@someguybreaks]

Wow, sad indeed. Friggin' 50 goddamn years ago. So hard to believe.

[@tonyrobinson362]

So so sad so glad you can still relive good times on youtube.

[@agnostic47]

Louise was always my favourite. I think it was those eyes.

[@terryfung10]

Yes they are in my 13 year old mind.😉

[@jmason2838]

Don't know who you mean .. Care to identify them somehow please ? May They Rest In Peace🙏🤳🕯️🌹💐😔💤...thank you..🤳💨

[@pauldoree3967]

Between 72 and 74 I went TOTP about 8 times, and have autograph books full of the stars of that time, including all of T Rex - and also all of Pans People!

[@danieloneill9560]

I hope you didn't get Jimmy Savile's

[@pauldoree3967]

@@danieloneill9560 he he. I did actually. I didn’t have to sit in his knee though.

[@danieloneill9560]

@@pauldoree3967 What DID you have to do?

[@pauldoree3967]

@@danieloneill9560 Ha ha, nothing at all except to ask for his autograph. Perhaps I wasn't his 'type'. Mind you, I think pretty much anything was his type. I also have all of Pans People's autographs. It took some doing for a 15 year old to go and ask them I tell you.

[@danieloneill9560]

@@pauldoree3967 I'm only joking. Yes, fair play for asking them haha

[@marianobuenrostro9164]

I love it, to reminiscing is to live again those precious memories.

[@faithlesshealer]

50 yrs ago! sigh Thank you TOTP and Pans People x

[@davidrobinson8700]

Great music video. Although if this is Dec 1971 it's doubtful if that's David Cameron on the stage as he was born in 1966. As David Blunkett was born in 1947 that's more believable if he's the one in the tank top.

[@tommaguzzi1723]

I could watch this for hours and hours, in fact I already have.

[@suspiria1966]

I miss this 70s. I remember my mom had a friend like this. I miss her.

[@billytoffingham9608]

I think you mean you missed her

[@TripsandFeasts1]

The next time I see an elderly lady show her bus pass, I’ll wonder what she was like when she was younger. You never know.

[@carolevans5285]

Were not all old hun

[@leaturk11]

@@carolevans5285 lol

[@kj475]

@@carolevans5285 The girls dancing in this video are in their 70's today.

[@frederickvanpelt6393]

@@kj475 60's

[@kj475]

@@frederickvanpelt6393 Babs Lord (born 1945) Age 76 Dee Dee Wilde (born 1946) Age 75 Ruth Pearson (born 1946) Age 75 Louise Clarke (born 1946) Age 75

[@zivabrogan5807]

Yooowww! Can't beat the 'old' days...bell-bottoms rock!!!

[@cachosantillan1100]

Los 60' dejaron todo para que los 70' sea lo mejor del rock ,experimentos sonoros, bailes, bestimentas ,cultura, todo para vivir sin miedos ,amo los 70' !!!!

[@camorubberducky4335]

This is the first album I bought. I was 11 years old and I still have it.

[@timothyball7502]

What year, Camo ?

[@camorubberducky4335]

@@timothyball7502 1971right after it was released

[@paulbangash4317]

Me too , electric warrior and sticky fingers were my first two lps 😊 aged 11.

[@MOSESCAT69]

Thank you for re posting. R.I. P Flick. x x x x x

[@olecrazyjoe130]

Same move over and over..I couldn't stop watching...

[@andreasboose5611]

"Real" Girls and "real" Woman ..These 70's Hotties are incredible ❤❤

[@jeffreyknight3884]

This is true fun, the pans people girls were amazing. All natural looking. It's 2022 and the women today have tattoos, attitudes. Take me back to this time in my life, pure fun and music also was good.

[@KittyGrizGriz]

Stuff it 😂 we’ve always had attitudes & are very strong

[@78a67h]

I remember Flick's choreographies mostly through Ruby Flipper and Legs&Co. Here I see what an excellent dancer she was herself. RIP Flick!

[@cerneuffington2656]

Ruth worked with Flick on the RF dance routines. Ruby Flipper being a combination of their names. Sadly, Ruth is also no longer with us.

[@78a67h]

@@cerneuffington2656 I know, so sad.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@78a67h Watch Pan's People-Good Lovin_Flick Colby Tribute II it'll make you smile.

[@Ruda-n4h]

@@cerneuffington2656 Watch Pan's People-Good Lovin_Flick Colby Tribute II it'll make you smile.

[@johnlatham3854]

They could all move very well and sustain the energy level. Their smiles lit up the room. It's a pleasure looking back at what they did.

[@lewstone1934]

Enjoyed this when I was 12 - would have preferred it at 22 !! Great Times folks..

[@shack7631]

I have to admit they all look great!!!

[@kennewicksheri]

oohoh LOVE this song....... on my mind the past month... Oohooh go go go !! Teleport me back in time.... Today is the day !

[@teresacarson6512]

very first record I ever bought sounds as good today as it did all those years ago .:-)

[@yosemite735]

What a fun song. What cool women enjoying themselves not worried if what they are doing might be pleasing to men.

[@macca1146]

Today all the women would be holding up their phones instead of dancing and having a good time.

[@sarahlouise7163]

i was born a bit too late 🤣 such fabulous music and fashion!

[@elmorepratt2146]

Great choreography and execution by Flick Colby.

[@terryfesenko653]

I like this video even more, now I can see Dee Dee Wilde taking centre stage 😍 Great record, great dancing, great fashion, lovely girls- particularly Dee Dee and!

[@geraldinemclaughlin486]

Happy memories I loved top of the pops pans people and legs and co where brilliant I love dancing thumbs up everyone ❤❤❤❤🔥🔥

[@vordman]

...you've got the universe reclining in your hair... What a great line.

[@nikkidouglas6214]

Been playing bolan today!!! Never gets old!!!!! especially seagull woman!

[@carltroia6235]

Nikki Douglas play bolan all the ty

[@nikkidouglas6214]

@@carltroia6235 good taste is a rare thing!! But there's still some of us still out there!!!

[@carltroia6235]

Nikki Douglas love seagull woman and the whole brown album. "is it love" great track

[@mikesaunders4775]

'One day we'll change from children into people'

[@IThinkYouLookLarvely]

Love Pans People. There's one special one... beautiful babs... can't think of her name.

[@georgedeathe4683]

Babs Lord married Robert Powell

[@macs7641]

Hah! Norman Stanley Fletcher I presume?

[@macs7641]

Babs went on to raise 10's of £k for charity and completed the Global Challenge round the world yacht race! A completely amazing person, and an amazing life so far!

[@paulallison2412]

Haha! Fletcher in Porridge aka the great Ronnie Barker

[@sunshineofrays6977]

dee dee wilde with red pants was so gorgeous. ..like babs peering through her hair...

[@dbbubba1]

Orange pants... OMG! Oh, how I miss those days.

[@rob51e]

Great to see Flick Colby again, thanks for posting.

[@jonsmum5552]

I remember hearing this on TOTP, I was thirteen a huge T Rex fan. I couldn’t wait until the following Saturday to get my pocket money, i remember sitting on the bus in anticipation hoping it wasn’t sold out. I remember going home on the bus clutching my new single dying to play it over and over again on my decca record player.

[@margaretdarr5558]

What a great time for song & dance. I'm in my mind 60's and liked T Rex, Mark Bowl in. And now to see Pans People . I never knew about them until a year ago, someone sent me clip of Green River. One of my favorite bands, Creedance clear water revival. 😚👍😙💋

[@KittyGrizGriz]

Looks like so much FUN!! 🤩

[@colbykistner3393]

I should be doing homework but I’m too busy watching 70s videos like these 😂😂😂

[@edgarteran1894]

I can't blame you.

[@ireland2657]

Normal.people. a breath of fresh air

[@derekpugh6819]

Nice to turn back the clock. Many beautiful girls. 😁👍

[@janphilpott7470]

Yes fabulous to see their energy, wonderful times the seventies and to hear STEVE WRIGHT again R i p

[@richwicz]

All beauties! The music's pretty good too. ;)

[@robharding4028]

I keep coming back to this clip of totps 1971.mainly its those Pans People, giving it their whole on the dance-floor, Babs was my favourite back then, She still cuts a fine shape.

[@michaelshanahan4042]

God bless those ladies there made me smile back then and I am smiling now watching this now tank you

[@admiralcraddock464]

I was seventeen in that year, what a fantastic time to be a teenager

[@manuelaranas3973]

They should have statues in England. Just like The Beatles.

[@manuelaranas3973]

@tecdessus London

[@KittyGrizGriz]

Love It!! 🎉

[@djsimonrossprice9400]

God let us wake up from this bloody nightmare and let me be back in 71 getting up for school.. Thinking what a night... mum whats for breakfast

[@admiralcraddock464]

let me get back to December '71 and I'd give that tosser who stole my first love Sally a right kick in the bollocks

[@sergiosaunier]

My kingdom for a time machine!

[@djsimonrossprice9400]

​@@sergiosaunier AMEN brother...

[@jasonpearce383]

Ruth Pearson RIP - a stunning dancer who had a beautiful soul.

[@Pitmirk_]

so good to see these early vids with Flick. beautiful

[@ronroberson]

loved the seventies girls, no tats , no piercings, just natural beauty.

[@littleredrose6254]

We did like false eyelashes, loads of pan stick foundation, pale lipstick and loads of eye shadow though. Plus, we dyed our hair. But, as far as I recall, tattoos were rare, only for the really 'hard' girls.

[@ecrearden1639]

@poida as did every producer. Ie Soul Train

[@s.tranger1074]

@poida Well, that's because "the others" as we shall refer to them, were mainly drug dealers or bus conductors!

[@helencampbell9203]

@@littleredrose6254 Some 1970s girls wore heavy make up but a lot kept their natural hair colour as nature usually gives a colour that suits and many applied subtle make up. A little of everything as if painting a beautiful water colour just like Pan's People. Gentle enhancement of the features is always key. Heavy makeup can look cheap especially if worn in the daytime and why do some older women insist on going to a tattoosist! I know many women of a certain age who often criticize older women for using a little make up but surely tattoos on women in their fifties/sixties looks worse. Some girls can rock a tattoo but they are few and far between. I personally think if someone must have a tattoo, you need to be young. Just my humble opinion.

[@22448824]

poida What would you expect an audience to be made up from? It’s England isn’t it?

[@wadeseymour7706]

These are our gorgeous grandmothers.

[@user-ht9jw5mo4s]

Clever.

[@ollieboy266]

We did not appreciate what we had or how life was so much fun. Roll forward to 2020 and civilisation has lost the plot. Let’s hope normality will find a way back

[@roflized]

It's criminal the way it's gone

[@uptowndisco2]

@Saorla Rodger yep that is me :-)

[@jimbobjennings8266]

@Saorla Rodger Satan is the god of this world, it only gets worse. There has always been injustice and there always will be. Sin does not make the world a better place, lies and corruption doesn't justify anything. Political correctness is silencing the truth. Most people will sleepwalk to their grave. SJW's are locked inside ignorance by their hate and intolerance. "The Truth will make you free". KJV.

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

@Saorla Rodger piss off

[@annother3350]

Saorla - that's an incredibly because view. You're pretty much assuming racism while not talking into account the things which seem to be so great in those days - we're on the cusp of communism right now ffs!!

[@nonopus3125]

All the Pan’s People are my faves, but the blonde in blue pants is my most fave in this one 😍👍🏼👍🏼

[@paulwilliams5013]

..that's 'Babs' , she married actor Robert Powell.. he who played Jesus in the 'Jesus of Nazareth' movie.

[@nonopus3125]

@@paulwilliams5013 thanks. Yes, since discovering PP through this vid I’ve subsequently learnt loads about them ! Thanks again

[@stuartwebster4267]

Great memories of the seventies! Personally it was a happy decade for myself , no internet or mobile 📲 phones , no political incorrectness, just better days than the world we live in today .

[@joeferguson2606]

youre on the freakin internet..smh

[@stuartwebster4267]

@@joeferguson2606 fuck off

[@paulalexandermanley6479]

Mass unemployment, corrupt racist police, IRA bombs, strikes, football hooligans, racist society. Think again.

[@stuartwebster4267]

@@paulalexandermanley6479 no political correctness , no mass immigration , we still had our country , no woke brigade or BLM movement , still better days than the utter abject misery of 2021 , all about one's own opinion isn't it and on a personal level the seventies was a happy period for myself so why don't you FUCK OFF 😀

[@robharding4028]

@@stuartwebster4267 Well put Stuart,of course you are right, The 70's were far better than this mobile obsessed generation, their faces stuck in their phones, while holding a costa coffee in the other hand, or a bottle of water, What's all that about ?.Please just put your phone away, we are not interested if you have the latest model,ffs.

[@HEMISUPERBEE426]

LOTS OF MEMORIES FROM LONG AGO.....THANKS !

[@marcusashwell8314]

Absolutely gorgeous

[@chriscork2513]

David Cameron would have been 5 years old when this song was released. He was quite a big boy for his age.

[@markob572]

Damn....yessa...babes of the 70's Loving it...lol

[@vicsaul5459]

Flick with PP❤ 'You've all done very well '👍👌😊 lots of Dee Dee ❤

[@salisburydruid]

Absolutely beautiful.

[@dora71803]

Jeepster a superb British 70s icon.

[@richardb7042]

Wow I just watched the video Jeepster. I own jeeps so I thought it would be interesting to hear the song. I too am blown away by the exuberance of the dancers. They are real. Virtual before the word virtual became an every day thing. Smiling faces and an energy unseen today. Though some pairs of girls are in sync with each other there isn't any choreography. Fantastic! And not a jeep in sight. I'll add it to my playlist.

[@peterthomson127]

I grew up with TOTP, Pan's People, Jimmy Saville ( :( ) and all the crew back then. Was the first person in my friends group to have a party with VIDEO music. Later in life I learned to hip-hop - back then? My generation really didn't know how to dance!

[@pascalomathghamhna4883]

As I said below, those girls could dance. This is them on their down time, the final record playing out TOTP. You can see the fun they're having.

[@silverkitty2503]

its nice they danced with the crowd and got the crowd going ..

[@elsavburga6795]

Que guapas . Mi abuelita tiene 80 años y en su juventud era bellísima ❤️parecía una muñeca ❤️

[@danielbehrend3683]

50 years ago! Omg. Still superb.

[@PJANGELES30]

RIP Flick Colby, died too young.

[@PJANGELES30]

@tecdessus yes, 25 Aug 2012. Such vibrant, healthy young women, would have thought they might make 80 plus. Nature gives and Nature taketh away. Very sad.

[@leoseries]

But it's the pelvic thrust, That really drives you insane!

[@DavidNefelimSlayer]

Some combination of the frug (thrusting), with the Wahtutsi, the swim, and the pony ad lib.

[@jimmylepog5133]

I'm 18yo but my soul is 78, i would like to live on the 60s and 70s, dear god, everything in those days was pure rock and roll

[@ric60100]

70's women WERE beautiful! I married one. The sad thing is we are in our late 60's now.

[@ianbentley7276]

stop moaning, i've just gone 70 ffs ;-)

[@WOODR52]

I married one also, 1972, We still listen to this stuff...

[@markanderson1795]

Old age is not a privilege everyone gets to enjoy. Think yourself lucky

[@helencampbell9203]

@Luna Couldn't agree more. Many people don't reach their sixties.

[@jamieforrester2857]

Enjoy your life because every second is a memory, just be grateful your still hear to reminisce,

[@peterdockrill9653]

remember in 71 when marc bolan commented he spent 2 grand on a custom Gibson sunburst guitar. Bought this single on dec 24 1971 from a record store in Manchester city center

[@wangdangdoodie]

Pity he never learned to play it.

[@gary1961]

A big shout out to all the natural beauty girls dancing with Pans People, especially the girl at 0:15. She is stunning.

[@gary1961]

She also appears at 1:33.

[@philipditchfield439]

just great to see the 'visiting' teenie dancers in the background not having a fecking clue what they are doing but every now and again will have , what appears to be, a slight spasm as they try to strut their stuff!

[@22448824]

They’re not all like that

[@bgfd1]

This is an amazing historical snapshot of a period in time. Look at that girl's hair at 2.08! Pans people really look like they are having great fun here, just enjoying themselves.

[@vicsaul5459]

02:08

[@jedimindtrick8966]

vintage Karen hair

[@mikeenos4040]

So hot ....brings back memories of my teens. They had good routines. I remember my sister and her friend dancing in the living room about 1970 dad would just shake his head ...that's not dancing....lol .. By they way I ended up married to my sisters friend ... got lucky and made a good choice still married today's with great grandkids , there was always dancing at my house...

[@oldsongsnew8797]

I was 10 when this was on..probably watched it..love the 70's

[@alisongrace4334]

I was 10 too. 1961 baby?

[@doubtingthomas736]

First single I ever bought!... Happy days!

[@jeffreyknight3884]

Beautiful natural women back in the 70's. I can't believe three of the women passed on. Louise, flick and babs. Damn gorgeous women.

[@stephenhowell5611]

Babs is still around but Ruth and Andrea have also passed