Pantheon’s Leveling: Fresh Take or Old School Grind?

[@ryanrenshaw8572]

I’m 65 hours in and it’s an mmo that’s a breath of fresh air … the bones are super good and polish will come … they have nailed smooth fluid combat and that’s hard to come by in any mmo so few have it … I’ve found no delays in combat in 65 hours I’m impressed a lot so far… I was a pantheon detractor for about the last 3 years until I started playing Early Access Alpha on the 13th

[@HawkTua007]

Love the game. Could not recommend it for 40 dollars. It looks and runs like shit. If they dropped it to 20 I'd recommend it to everyone but to look the way it does at 40 bucks is a travesty.

[@The_left_hand_pillar]

The abilities are limited to force you to pick and choose what situationally you need, it is intentionally limiting

[@corylongwith1007]

To add to this, the 3 bars are respective to the type of spell/ability. Main bar is general spells. The 4 button bar is weapon tech/class tech. And the 6 button are utility spells. You can move abilities where you want within their bar category.

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

@@corylongwith1007 They should really let you put these abilities wherever you want. Most other MMO do. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to code in.

[@kearseymorton2078]

old school vibes are cool and all but there are limitations that are just unfun, nobody is making games like this anymore for a reason, it is not 1999

[@The_left_hand_pillar]

​@kearseymorton2078 that's a nonsensical argument, the combat system is easily the most modern part of this game and imposing limits on the player to force them to adapt their playstyle to the situation is a core gameplay design mechanic common to many games.

[@zylle1993]

What exactly is unfun?? ​@@kearseymorton2078

[@robertsavino363]

This game exceeded my expectations. I am an old school 1999-2004 EQ player, and this feels like home to me. This game likely will not do well with most people who started MMOs after WoW, but who knows. Can't wait to see what they add over the next 2 years.

[@zylle1993]

Im a big fan of oldschool mmos, im a classic runescape player and osrs/rs2 player. Also i enjoy classic wow. And this game seems to be really damn interresting. Most likely gonna try it, the fact theres no map just seems so cool in a weird way

[@Tinfoiledhat]

Most people in general wont play these games because theyre lazy...these games require some thinking.

[@dustinbryant9918]

The game is also Alpha stage of development so not optimized yet.

[@Tyrownious]

Extremely early alpha at that.

[@CatDadDave]

I am really enjoying the crafting system alot the depth is quite surprising and is laid out well I really liked the fact I didn't feel going to a 3rd party site was needed all the info I needed was there and fairly easy to find. I can't wait to get into the group content. I went into this with my view very colored due to this games development process but I am happy to eat crow this game is quite good so far.

[@Colancio]

I really hate the round-robin system, it's very clunky. When grouping we just leave it as free for all and make a call of what dropped, so people roll and the winner goes and loots it.

[@sceade]

Hey! I'm in this video. I'm Calfaxix the Enchanter LOL

[@ryuno2097]

Me too. I'm in the video too. 🥰

[@GC_Rallo]

Alot of your gripes are things that will be ironed out as development goes on, things like the smooth responsiveness of abilities and whatnot is just something that takes time. Also a tip for your groups, if you have a groupmate that won't loot, the group leader can skip them by typing I believe /skiploot

[@Ravynheart]

optimization will be the last thing to happen before full release

[@kearseymorton2078]

in 2029

[@gaven9763]

lol... not understanding the hotbar or why are they limited....

[@Flair3777]

I've been following this game for about 10 years. I purchased it and played for a couple hours. The lack of a map is hard for me to get past. I need a map to know where things are.

[@nickrn2432]

you will learn it in time, plus there is a map on line you can look at, but it just takes a little time and you will figure out where you are and where to go.

[@simalin11]

This was a major hangup for me as well. Eventually I learned my way around and used a website early on.

[@tjtj7161]

I love it, but they need to use the money to hire more people to speed up the process and give me confidence they will continue with it.

[@kearseymorton2078]

paladin is the most fleshed out class in the game so far, they clearly have spent a lot of time on this class, and it is not bad. the other classes currently are not that great, some are a full copy/paste from EQ like the Ranger, the summoner is an absolute bore with a pet and only 2 same spells you spam over and over if you go past the first zone you are going to find tons of empty space and invisible walls everywhere, the game is maybe 25% finished and that it is a generous estimation my two cents: play a pally human or dwarf, stay in thronefast, do all the quests, craft your weapons and armor and wait for the patches to come and add more content game has 3 to 4 years of more development ahead, minimum and i doubt that the funds brought by early access will be enough to finance it

[@Blizofoz45]

My biggest issue with Pantheon is the world feels stretched out which results in alot of running to and from hunting/gathering spots. Other than that I hope they keep the difficulty high so players have to get better and work as a team with much less margin of error. It definitely adds to the sense of accomplishment.

[@little0ff]

The size of the world and traversing it is a challenge that the developers are intentionally putting in place so they can give players different tools to overcome it through traversal skills and mounts. It gives certain classes added value through the utility of being able to summon others or teleport quickly across the map. If they made it quick and easy to get everywhere those traversal abilities would be much less valuable and, in my opinion, make the game less interesting. Once the higher level abilities get fleshed out and classes get their full toolkits I think moving around will become less of a pain point.

[@wishiwascooler]

Been looking forward to this game for years now. May have to dive into the EA release to see how it is.

[@QuickSaveF5]

Do you think this game is going to last, or will it die out in a year or two? Genuine question.

[@22CKane]

i feel like the abilites and combat is super responsive. not even just coping. maybe its your settings or something? Mine feel just like wow spell casts. and without the pushback when being attacked is nice

[@tornixdm2431]

seems like a combination of some things from eq1 and 2

[@kearseymorton2078]

nope it is 90% eq1

[@Teraphimsrevenge]

I've made a few characters, can't seem to make it to level 2 before losing interest. Idk why it's just not grabbing my attention which totally sucks because I've waited years to play it.

[@dessius]

@@Teraphimsrevenge sorry to hear that! Hope it sticks for ya eventually if that’s what you’re looking for

[@malbal21]

Just change the Keybinds to the keys you want them to be, instead of moving the skills to one bar just rebind the keys to the skills you want one 1-0 of quick access keys

[@dannyVulture]

I am really interested in joining up with this game. My only real concern is, i don 't like crafting in MMOs at all. I really enjoy gathering, as you described it in the video, where I can collect items and sell raw materials/ingredients to other players. Would this be a viable way to make money and fund myself throughout a fresh playthrough of the game? Thanks for such a detailed review of the game so far

[@dutchowen525]

Yes, gathering and selling should be able to make some money for you without having to actually craft anything.

[@Demolition2024]

Im playing on a 970 lol

[@trillakilla8591]

just do /skip when they aren't looting on their turn

[@chazdomingo475]

I animations are holding this game back to getting people interested. People complain about the graphics but they are fine. Why the game feels stiff is the animations are not much better than they were 25 years ago in EQ.

[@dutchowen525]

The animations are a work in progress, not the final product. They have been and will continue to roll out improved animations as time goes by.

[@UFO-zi2bp]

I want this game to succeed but after some hours i became disillusioned by the "similarities" it has to EQ. Its not awful but its far too snappy in its current state. All the character models look the same and in my opinion the running animations are terrible. Makes me wonder what they've been working on for so many years.

[@dutchowen525]

There have been several restarts of core components over the years which is one major reason why it's taken so long (personnel turnover is another). I feel like the core is close to finished now and the details will be worked out as the EA progresses.

[@johhnyzmokistizsaxa4519]

its bad and good

[@kungfujoe2136]

combat looks so slow they sould just make it turnbased hmm turnbased mmorpg (4 the solo part only ofc) there's an idea

[@nexeus7302]

Thing is... this ain't 2001-2004 where you had only 3 MMO's to pick. I get it, the game isn't for everyone, but to what end? Isn't the point of any MMO is to attract more ppl hence more profit for the company? If you gonna catter only to certain audience then you're doomed to fail because you won't be able to generate profit, or rather not enough to sustain and meet the ends. I don't think this gonna work anymore. You already have EQ, and it was great when it did, but the MMO formula has been changed forever.

[@SciPhi161]

I mean not necessarily. You’re beginning point can actually be made to argue against you. There are a ton of MMOs and they are all identical, making this one stand out. It for sure will not be big, but profitable most likely. A game doesn’t need to be massive to be profitable especially when this game had large angel investors and was crowd funded. I’m not sure how much debt they have and they’re a private company so there are no legal pressures to increase share prices. So from a how long will it actually last? well that depends on how good they can make it. If it’s a good game, it will succeed. There is definitely a market out there for it and they can become comfortable carving out their own little piece in it. It’s already getting a really good response and it’s in early alpha. We’ll see where it goes, hopefully it succeeds

[@ThatGuy-cb3yv]

Today's MMOs are all about soloing and single play with only a few of those being profitable. I went from 1-50 in ESO never grouping, never talking to anyone. You didn't need to. Might as well been a single player RPG. This mmo is focused on group play which is unheard of today and why I'm attracted to it. This is a true mmo in the making not one that is actually a rpg in mmo skin.

[@ryuno2097]

The mmorpg genre isn't at its peak anymore from 2004 - 2010s. The playerbase has dwindled significantly, most players are veterans of the genre and new players aren't interested in mmorpgs as it requires a lot of your time investment.

[@nexeus7302]

@@SciPhi161 There's a market with very little ppl who are interested in. You do remember the case with New World, yes? Their plan also was unique, but when they found out that this ain't gonna bring anymore players... all of a sudden New World became an PvE instead. In the end of day money is what matters, and those guy need to sustain and feed the company. A few happy players aren't gonna cut it, really.

[@nexeus7302]

@@ryuno2097 That too.

[@Guirssane]

A bit afraid the game will be empty at higher levels. Like 20+. Unity isn't a great engine for mmorpg but it's doable. It has been fun for me as a necro but it need a lot of work.

[@phillipkeidge475]

There is actually a good amount of content 20+ with Hangor and Spider caves, SP and EP.

[@ThatGuy-cb3yv]

This is a development build release. Of course it needs work.

[@ryuno2097]

Yes bro. It's expected to be empty. You're a alpha tester for the devs and are helping them develop the game. Please continue testing the game so i get to play a good game when it's fully released. 😊

[@Erodice]

Will their be a wipe before 1.0 release?

[@robertsavino363]

of course it needs work. We are in EA with at least 2 years of development left to a full launch. tbh, I never even thought early access would even occur and so far it exceeds my expectations.

[@trillakilla8591]

lul.. amd...

[@redonut]

Iul…. Pointless comment

[@BuckFlicks]

It’s definitely a grind. Quest exp is negligible. The Developers are pandering to old school blowhards and leaving a LOT of obvious quality of life features that are just stupid to leave out. Give us a god damn map. If you don’t want to use the map, you don’t have to.

[@ryuno2097]

😬

[@liveitup1216]

Just go play Warcraft or FF then? If Pantheon just copypastas every other theme park mmo, then it will die. People are interested in this project for that exact reason.

[@robertsavino363]

go back to WoW. This game is probably not for you

[@justjesting9468]

They will have a map. But no minimap, and it won't be a GPS-style map. Keep in mind this game is still basically in Alpha state and there are many game systems that either aren't implemented yet or are only partially implemented. And yes, I know it's been in development for a long time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still in active development and not ready for release yet.

[@BuckFlicks]

@ really, genius? Guess you haven’t noticed that this is the most copy/pasted MMO in history- it blatantly plagiarized EverQuest. And nobody said anything about holding hands. EQ didn’t have a map originally because it wasn’t technically feasible. Don’t pretend like not having a map is better. Jesus you blowhards are insufferable. If this game alienates everyone but you blowhards, it’s not going to make any money and it will go the way of Vanguard, which was a MUCH better game.

[@s.t.5993]

I see no point in this game. We have EverQuest with endless content and then we have this

[@ryanrenshaw8572]

It’s juat this plays better than EQ though by far even here in alpha I’ve played EQ for 25 years … I’m a wow and ff14 player as well

[@shakaraeq4674]

Pantheon has a lot of things that EQ will never have due to EQ being unable to modernize. If Pantheon continues its current track on development it will most likely just be a better version of EQ. Currently combat, crafting, and exploration even in the EA are better than what Everquest can offer Everquest isent even what everquest used to be as its just another theme park mmo at this point unless you play on emulated servers.

[@s.t.5993]

@@shakaraeq4674 I understand the community’s thirst for a new experience and I also understand that this company had some serious hardships. Unfortunately, the development is not there after a decade and this early access is overpriced for the promise it offers, especially when you compare it with path of exile 2 for example. As a consumer I will just have to wait for a final or more advanced product , with a finalized price tag and a more complete experience , until then there are much better products out there.

[@ryuno2097]

​@@shakaraeq4674​ there are rumours of EQ3. So if it's true then Pantheon is cooked. 👾

[@robertsavino363]

EQ is not the same anymore unless you are P1999. I left EQ 1 year ago. That game changed from 1999. Now its full of boxers, powerlevelers and static groups even if guilded.

[@DrPoohBear]

Game is trash.

[@yaywoot123]

u play it? geniuine question - i haven't and don't plan to

[@joelressell]

The game is trash, yes. I've played it. $40 for this is insane. This is 10 years of development. It's horrible.

[@louhodo5761]

Well why did you pay 40$ for it?

[@StratPIG]

​@@yaywoot123the games not bad at all. The person complaining is probably a retail WoW player and needs graphics inorder to play.

[@redonut]

lol

[@joelressell]

Let me help. It's horrible.

[@MJVDragonslayer]

I will definitely buy it on release, just don't want to play it and have my character get deleted when 1.0 comes out.

[@jackbrown959]

A complete rip off of a game from 1999 with slightly better graphics and worse gameplay. Shite game, The people making these videos act like this game has some kind of new concept that wasn't done 25 years ago in EQ1

[@SirTomo1]

It was developed by EQ Devs..

[@yokohl6997]

Worse gameplay 😂 what a take

[@robertsavino363]

the same developers are making a game that caters to older MMO players who miss the mystery and danger of old MMOs. EQ is not the same anymore.

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

does this game have a global chat channel ?

[@Raider1377]

No, it has ooc, auction, and shout channels.