It has been confirmed that there will be a map, just no gps or minimap.
@itworkssКүн бұрын
I tried it, and man I just couldn’t get past the horrible UI and overall bleak and unpolished gameplay. I had high hopes and wanted to like it. Just because they want to have a more hardcore game doesn’t mean it needs to be so dated and empty.
@Ha-fy6zvКүн бұрын
It’s terrible, reminds me of everything I hated in FFXI. You will never feel strong, you will never solo anything
@SonyaandSidney2 күн бұрын
You definitely need more bags
@TheWahlberg2 күн бұрын
Will they keep working on this though? Or will it end up being an abandoned MMORPG like so many others in development hell? I’ve thought about buying into this,never played EQ and I’m curious how the PvP is.
@sleepykitty44722 күн бұрын
Love Quarm it has raids instanced so none of the open world drama p99 did really,which means that small/casual guilds get to raid.
@crazedmonk8u2 күн бұрын
I wouldn't say its a bad game, it just a game that should not be played until launch especially since it requires so much time investment in your character. class buffs/nerfs, profession changes, xp changes, resource generation, etc etc could change your whole experience dramatically! it really just needs some QoL and it has some conflicting design elements that don't scream "successor to EQ" to me, more like EQ with a different coat of paint and there is one major design flaw that does not instill confidence in me that they can actually deliver their vision and or produce the launch version in a reasonable time. right now this is a ashes of creation situation who knows how long it will be in alpha. reason being - since Successor to EQ to me means EQ with some modern QOL while still maintaining that core gameplay loop, i.e mob camping, heavy emphasis on community etc etc. i wouldn't recommend it to anyone on the fence since they decided to not have an in-game map which is incredibly tone death and they are completely out of touch with modern gamers and their core audience. when you have multiple threads on /r, official forums asking for in game map, map addons, or where can they go to find a map, video guides on youtube showing how to get to places, hell you even got people in game linking a 3rd party website for a virtual map. you KNOW you have a major core design problem and are out of touch with reality. even THE #1 most popular add on for EQ are MAP PACKS! so not even OG EQ players like the "map" system EQ had lol. right now a huge portion of their success is based solely on Nostalgia. Their Core Audience are grown adults 30+ who grew up on EQ, Ultima, etc and have been itching for that old experience but they will soon dip out since, they are 30+ they don't have the time they used to have as a teenager to grind out 12+ hours a day for 5% xp(higher levels ofc and im being hyperbolic but u get the point) and as the grind and annoyances continue, how many of these people are going to change their mind and go actually nvm, i can't do this anymore. or yep i got my fix, that was fun. ima wait till launch LOL. Also they don't even have the race identies fully fleshed out yet, no racial passives, and there are only two starting zones where each race is suppose to have their own zone. and right now its a massive p.i.a if you don't start in thronefast since wild's end doesn't even seem finished, still WIP. so right now racial identity is not a thing and that is a big part of the game given the heavy emphasis they placed on the world lore and their planned starting cities knowing that depending on your race and how fleshed out the zone is you might even see other races, or you might only see X races who are natually near your starting zone and won't see others for a very long time. which is another contradiction. you know in the original EQ- you could NOT understand other races in chat unless you learned their language via tomes which made cross race parties incredibly difficult. They decided to add some QOL and let other races talk to each other and even team up with each other since iirc some races could not team up - or maybe that just applied to towns. anyways. so they add that QOL in- but not only did they keep EQ map system but made it worse by just removing all maps . HUH?? at least in EQ they gave you maps of the starting zones. also to wrap up. I would also wait till launch to play since they might buff the xp rates and or do some class balances. Right now imagine spending 300+ hours maiming a class to have it nerfed to the ground or changed in a way that you don't like. you could make an argument that they put these xp rates so low on purpose to extend playtime and when it launches they will go and "tweak" things to ease new players into it so all these OG alpha players just all that extra time for nothing.
@MaDmanex1002 күн бұрын
Ive been enjoying the game quite abit. The pace has been decent last year in terms of development. Hopefully they can earn enough now to hire more people to the team. There are a couple new ones from 2 weeks earlier.
@QuickSaveF53 күн бұрын
Do you think this game is going to last, or will it die out in a year or two? Genuine question.
@tjtj71613 күн бұрын
I love it, but they need to use the money to hire more people to speed up the process and give me confidence they will continue with it.
@cbcm73 күн бұрын
I just found Quarm after rolling a barb shaman on p1999 a few weeks ago. After seeing a few vids like yours, I decided to move over to Quarm with another barb shaman 😂. Thanks for putting this out there!
@dessius3 күн бұрын
@@cbcm7 welcome aboard! :)
@22CKane4 күн бұрын
i feel like the abilites and combat is super responsive. not even just coping. maybe its your settings or something? Mine feel just like wow spell casts. and without the pushback when being attacked is nice
@gaven97634 күн бұрын
lol... not understanding the hotbar or why are they limited....
@slydog75Күн бұрын
are you laughting at the author for not knowing it or are you laughing at the fact that it's like that?
@johhnyzmokistizsaxa45194 күн бұрын
its bad and good
@kungfujoe21364 күн бұрын
combat looks so slow they sould just make it turnbased hmm turnbased mmorpg (4 the solo part only ofc) there's an idea
@dannyVulture4 күн бұрын
I am really interested in joining up with this game. My only real concern is, i don 't like crafting in MMOs at all. I really enjoy gathering, as you described it in the video, where I can collect items and sell raw materials/ingredients to other players. Would this be a viable way to make money and fund myself throughout a fresh playthrough of the game? Thanks for such a detailed review of the game so far
@dutchowen5253 күн бұрын
Yes, gathering and selling should be able to make some money for you without having to actually craft anything.
@slydog75Күн бұрын
yes, and us crafters will love you for it.
@HatedSigma4 күн бұрын
Why do we need a half-baked version of EverQuest when we still have the real EverQuest. I never stopped playing EverQuest, it would take a BETTER version of EverQuest to get me to leave. This is not it.
@malbal214 күн бұрын
Just change the Keybinds to the keys you want them to be, instead of moving the skills to one bar just rebind the keys to the skills you want one 1-0 of quick access keys
@Slayheim4 күн бұрын
Well said! Excellent video, enjoyed your commentary a lot
@dessius4 күн бұрын
@@Slayheim thank you! Been watching your pantheon videos too, good stuff!
@MJVDragonslayer4 күн бұрын
I will definitely buy it on release, just don't want to play it and have my character get deleted when 1.0 comes out.
@Flair37774 күн бұрын
I've been following this game for about 10 years. I purchased it and played for a couple hours. The lack of a map is hard for me to get past. I need a map to know where things are.
@nickrn24324 күн бұрын
you will learn it in time, plus there is a map on line you can look at, but it just takes a little time and you will figure out where you are and where to go.
@simalin112 күн бұрын
This was a major hangup for me as well. Eventually I learned my way around and used a website early on.
@slydog75Күн бұрын
Definitely takes some getting used to have we've had our hands held for so long.. but once I did, I'm actually enjoying not having a built in map.. you have to actually learn where you're going .. and there's online maps when you need them.
@pazuzu66613Күн бұрын
It drove me crazy at first as well, but now that I've adjusted i find i don't miss it.
@GC_Rallo4 күн бұрын
Alot of your gripes are things that will be ironed out as development goes on, things like the smooth responsiveness of abilities and whatnot is just something that takes time. Also a tip for your groups, if you have a groupmate that won't loot, the group leader can skip them by typing I believe /skiploot
@stevenedwards58644 күн бұрын
Only reason I havent started this yet is because some friends an I started on EQ live again in sept so i dont wanna drop that just yet. At least the longer o wait the better it will be
@Teraphimsrevenge4 күн бұрын
I've made a few characters, can't seem to make it to level 2 before losing interest. Idk why it's just not grabbing my attention which totally sucks because I've waited years to play it.
@dessius4 күн бұрын
@@Teraphimsrevenge sorry to hear that! Hope it sticks for ya eventually if that’s what you’re looking for
@kearseymorton20785 күн бұрын
paladin is the most fleshed out class in the game so far, they clearly have spent a lot of time on this class, and it is not bad. the other classes currently are not that great, some are a full copy/paste from EQ like the Ranger, the summoner is an absolute bore with a pet and only 2 same spells you spam over and over if you go past the first zone you are going to find tons of empty space and invisible walls everywhere, the game is maybe 25% finished and that it is a generous estimation my two cents: play a pally human or dwarf, stay in thronefast, do all the quests, craft your weapons and armor and wait for the patches to come and add more content game has 3 to 4 years of more development ahead, minimum and i doubt that the funds brought by early access will be enough to finance it
@slydog75Күн бұрын
why do I suspect you where one of the people saying it was vaporware up until about 6 months ago?
@robertsavino3635 күн бұрын
This game exceeded my expectations. I am an old school 1999-2004 EQ player, and this feels like home to me. This game likely will not do well with most people who started MMOs after WoW, but who knows. Can't wait to see what they add over the next 2 years.
@zylle19934 күн бұрын
Im a big fan of oldschool mmos, im a classic runescape player and osrs/rs2 player. Also i enjoy classic wow. And this game seems to be really damn interresting. Most likely gonna try it, the fact theres no map just seems so cool in a weird way
@Tinfoiledhat3 күн бұрын
Most people in general wont play these games because theyre lazy...these games require some thinking.
@RoryRamshotКүн бұрын
I agree. The game is really fun so far and I’m excited that the experience will improve as time goes on
@blakkjakКүн бұрын
Same, I played a rogue on a PVP server and this feels like home!
@UFO-zi2bp5 күн бұрын
I want this game to succeed but after some hours i became disillusioned by the "similarities" it has to EQ. Its not awful but its far too snappy in its current state. All the character models look the same and in my opinion the running animations are terrible. Makes me wonder what they've been working on for so many years.
@dutchowen5253 күн бұрын
There have been several restarts of core components over the years which is one major reason why it's taken so long (personnel turnover is another). I feel like the core is close to finished now and the details will be worked out as the EA progresses.
@Colancio5 күн бұрын
I really hate the round-robin system, it's very clunky. When grouping we just leave it as free for all and make a call of what dropped, so people roll and the winner goes and loots it.
@Bradgilliswhammyman5 күн бұрын
does this game have a global chat channel ?
@Raider13775 күн бұрын
No, it has ooc, auction, and shout channels.
@slydog75Күн бұрын
@@Raider1377 isn't OOC global?
@Raider1377Күн бұрын
@@slydog75 Nope, Out of Character is only seen by everyone in your zone.
@chazdomingo4755 күн бұрын
I animations are holding this game back to getting people interested. People complain about the graphics but they are fine. Why the game feels stiff is the animations are not much better than they were 25 years ago in EQ.
@dutchowen5253 күн бұрын
The animations are a work in progress, not the final product. They have been and will continue to roll out improved animations as time goes by.
@jackbrown9595 күн бұрын
A complete rip off of a game from 1999 with slightly better graphics and worse gameplay. Shite game, The people making these videos act like this game has some kind of new concept that wasn't done 25 years ago in EQ1
@SirTomo15 күн бұрын
It was developed by EQ Devs..
@yokohl69975 күн бұрын
Worse gameplay 😂 what a take
@robertsavino3635 күн бұрын
the same developers are making a game that caters to older MMO players who miss the mystery and danger of old MMOs. EQ is not the same anymore.
@slydog75Күн бұрын
Whatever man.. it's really fun. Why do you feel the need to bash something plenty of other people love?
@BuckFlicks5 күн бұрын
It’s definitely a grind. Quest exp is negligible. The Developers are pandering to old school blowhards and leaving a LOT of obvious quality of life features that are just stupid to leave out. Give us a god damn map. If you don’t want to use the map, you don’t have to.
@ryuno20975 күн бұрын
😬
@liveitup12165 күн бұрын
Just go play Warcraft or FF then? If Pantheon just copypastas every other theme park mmo, then it will die. People are interested in this project for that exact reason.
@robertsavino3635 күн бұрын
go back to WoW. This game is probably not for you
@justjesting94684 күн бұрын
They will have a map. But no minimap, and it won't be a GPS-style map. Keep in mind this game is still basically in Alpha state and there are many game systems that either aren't implemented yet or are only partially implemented. And yes, I know it's been in development for a long time, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still in active development and not ready for release yet.
@BuckFlicks4 күн бұрын
@ really, genius? Guess you haven’t noticed that this is the most copy/pasted MMO in history- it blatantly plagiarized EverQuest. And nobody said anything about holding hands. EQ didn’t have a map originally because it wasn’t technically feasible. Don’t pretend like not having a map is better. Jesus you blowhards are insufferable. If this game alienates everyone but you blowhards, it’s not going to make any money and it will go the way of Vanguard, which was a MUCH better game.
@sammeos24185 күн бұрын
You are incredibly good looking 😍
@nexeus73025 күн бұрын
Thing is... this ain't 2001-2004 where you had only 3 MMO's to pick. I get it, the game isn't for everyone, but to what end? Isn't the point of any MMO is to attract more ppl hence more profit for the company? If you gonna catter only to certain audience then you're doomed to fail because you won't be able to generate profit, or rather not enough to sustain and meet the ends. I don't think this gonna work anymore. You already have EQ, and it was great when it did, but the MMO formula has been changed forever.
@SciPhi1615 күн бұрын
I mean not necessarily. You’re beginning point can actually be made to argue against you. There are a ton of MMOs and they are all identical, making this one stand out. It for sure will not be big, but profitable most likely. A game doesn’t need to be massive to be profitable especially when this game had large angel investors and was crowd funded. I’m not sure how much debt they have and they’re a private company so there are no legal pressures to increase share prices. So from a how long will it actually last? well that depends on how good they can make it. If it’s a good game, it will succeed. There is definitely a market out there for it and they can become comfortable carving out their own little piece in it. It’s already getting a really good response and it’s in early alpha. We’ll see where it goes, hopefully it succeeds
@ThatGuy-cb3yv5 күн бұрын
Today's MMOs are all about soloing and single play with only a few of those being profitable. I went from 1-50 in ESO never grouping, never talking to anyone. You didn't need to. Might as well been a single player RPG. This mmo is focused on group play which is unheard of today and why I'm attracted to it. This is a true mmo in the making not one that is actually a rpg in mmo skin.
@ryuno20975 күн бұрын
The mmorpg genre isn't at its peak anymore from 2004 - 2010s. The playerbase has dwindled significantly, most players are veterans of the genre and new players aren't interested in mmorpgs as it requires a lot of your time investment.
@nexeus73025 күн бұрын
@@SciPhi161 There's a market with very little ppl who are interested in. You do remember the case with New World, yes? Their plan also was unique, but when they found out that this ain't gonna bring anymore players... all of a sudden New World became an PvE instead. In the end of day money is what matters, and those guy need to sustain and feed the company. A few happy players aren't gonna cut it, really.
@nexeus73025 күн бұрын
@@ryuno2097 That too.
@Blizofoz455 күн бұрын
My biggest issue with Pantheon is the world feels stretched out which results in alot of running to and from hunting/gathering spots. Other than that I hope they keep the difficulty high so players have to get better and work as a team with much less margin of error. It definitely adds to the sense of accomplishment.
@little0ff5 күн бұрын
The size of the world and traversing it is a challenge that the developers are intentionally putting in place so they can give players different tools to overcome it through traversal skills and mounts. It gives certain classes added value through the utility of being able to summon others or teleport quickly across the map. If they made it quick and easy to get everywhere those traversal abilities would be much less valuable and, in my opinion, make the game less interesting. Once the higher level abilities get fleshed out and classes get their full toolkits I think moving around will become less of a pain point.
@sceade5 күн бұрын
Hey! I'm in this video. I'm Calfaxix the Enchanter LOL
@ryuno20975 күн бұрын
Me too. I'm in the video too. 🥰
@ryanrenshaw85725 күн бұрын
I’m 65 hours in and it’s an mmo that’s a breath of fresh air … the bones are super good and polish will come … they have nailed smooth fluid combat and that’s hard to come by in any mmo so few have it … I’ve found no delays in combat in 65 hours I’m impressed a lot so far… I was a pantheon detractor for about the last 3 years until I started playing Early Access Alpha on the 13th
@HawkTua0073 күн бұрын
Love the game. Could not recommend it for 40 dollars. It looks and runs like shit. If they dropped it to 20 I'd recommend it to everyone but to look the way it does at 40 bucks is a travesty.
@slydog752 күн бұрын
@HawkTua007 you can't recommend a game you love for $40? Also, if this game is running like shit for you you may have a hardware issue. I get 30 FPS on my 4 year old laptop. This isn't a shooter where you need 60+ FPS if that's the issue.
@HawkTua007Күн бұрын
@slydog75 it's not a hardware issue. I run higher demanding games with no issues. And correct. This game is absolutely not worth 40 dollars based on optimisation and graphics. It runs and looks like it's 20 years old. On top of that it's been in development for 10 years. Had I known these things I would not have paid 40 for it. I would have waited for the inevitable half off sale.
@RoryRamshotКүн бұрын
My pc is really old and it runs it just fine. Is 40$ really that much? I dunno. I personally thought it was a bargain at 40$ for what you are actually getting
@Efilnikufesin7615 сағат бұрын
@HawkTua007 It's in early access alpha testing. You don't even know what you bought.
@s.t.59935 күн бұрын
I see no point in this game. We have EverQuest with endless content and then we have this
@ryanrenshaw85725 күн бұрын
It’s juat this plays better than EQ though by far even here in alpha I’ve played EQ for 25 years … I’m a wow and ff14 player as well
@shakaraeq46745 күн бұрын
Pantheon has a lot of things that EQ will never have due to EQ being unable to modernize. If Pantheon continues its current track on development it will most likely just be a better version of EQ. Currently combat, crafting, and exploration even in the EA are better than what Everquest can offer Everquest isent even what everquest used to be as its just another theme park mmo at this point unless you play on emulated servers.
@s.t.59935 күн бұрын
@@shakaraeq4674 I understand the community’s thirst for a new experience and I also understand that this company had some serious hardships. Unfortunately, the development is not there after a decade and this early access is overpriced for the promise it offers, especially when you compare it with path of exile 2 for example. As a consumer I will just have to wait for a final or more advanced product , with a finalized price tag and a more complete experience , until then there are much better products out there.
@ryuno20975 күн бұрын
@@shakaraeq4674 there are rumours of EQ3. So if it's true then Pantheon is cooked. 👾
@robertsavino3635 күн бұрын
EQ is not the same anymore unless you are P1999. I left EQ 1 year ago. That game changed from 1999. Now its full of boxers, powerlevelers and static groups even if guilded.
@wishiwascooler5 күн бұрын
Been looking forward to this game for years now. May have to dive into the EA release to see how it is.
@Ravynheart5 күн бұрын
optimization will be the last thing to happen before full release
@kearseymorton20785 күн бұрын
in 2029
@joelressell5 күн бұрын
Let me help. It's horrible.
@slydog75Күн бұрын
you forgot 'IMO'.. and you're wrong (IMO)
@trillakilla85915 күн бұрын
just do /skip when they aren't looting on their turn
@trillakilla85915 күн бұрын
lul.. amd...
@redonut5 күн бұрын
Iul…. Pointless comment
@dustinbryant99185 күн бұрын
The game is also Alpha stage of development so not optimized yet.
@Tyrownious4 күн бұрын
Extremely early alpha at that.
@DrPoohBear5 күн бұрын
Game is trash.
@yaywoot1235 күн бұрын
u play it? geniuine question - i haven't and don't plan to
@joelressell5 күн бұрын
The game is trash, yes. I've played it. $40 for this is insane. This is 10 years of development. It's horrible.
@louhodo57615 күн бұрын
Well why did you pay 40$ for it?
@StratPIG5 күн бұрын
@@yaywoot123the games not bad at all. The person complaining is probably a retail WoW player and needs graphics inorder to play.
@redonut5 күн бұрын
lol
@The_left_hand_pillar5 күн бұрын
The abilities are limited to force you to pick and choose what situationally you need, it is intentionally limiting
@corylongwith10075 күн бұрын
To add to this, the 3 bars are respective to the type of spell/ability. Main bar is general spells. The 4 button bar is weapon tech/class tech. And the 6 button are utility spells. You can move abilities where you want within their bar category.
@Bradgilliswhammyman5 күн бұрын
@@corylongwith1007 They should really let you put these abilities wherever you want. Most other MMO do. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to code in.
@kearseymorton20785 күн бұрын
old school vibes are cool and all but there are limitations that are just unfun, nobody is making games like this anymore for a reason, it is not 1999
@The_left_hand_pillar4 күн бұрын
@kearseymorton2078 that's a nonsensical argument, the combat system is easily the most modern part of this game and imposing limits on the player to force them to adapt their playstyle to the situation is a core gameplay design mechanic common to many games.
@zylle19934 күн бұрын
What exactly is unfun?? @@kearseymorton2078
@tornixdm24315 күн бұрын
seems like a combination of some things from eq1 and 2
@kearseymorton20785 күн бұрын
nope it is 90% eq1
@pazuzu66613Күн бұрын
More like EQ1 with a touch of Vanguard
@augustochuko5 күн бұрын
Great Vid man! Appreciate you playing EQ and uploading it so I can still view this game anytime I want. As someone that played Vanilla EQ and Vanilla WoW, my time in Everquest still holds all of my best experiences and memories in any MMO.
@Guirssane6 күн бұрын
A bit afraid the game will be empty at higher levels. Like 20+. Unity isn't a great engine for mmorpg but it's doable. It has been fun for me as a necro but it need a lot of work.
@phillipkeidge4755 күн бұрын
There is actually a good amount of content 20+ with Hangor and Spider caves, SP and EP.
@ThatGuy-cb3yv5 күн бұрын
This is a development build release. Of course it needs work.
@ryuno20975 күн бұрын
Yes bro. It's expected to be empty. You're a alpha tester for the devs and are helping them develop the game. Please continue testing the game so i get to play a good game when it's fully released. 😊
@Erodice5 күн бұрын
Will their be a wipe before 1.0 release?
@robertsavino3635 күн бұрын
of course it needs work. We are in EA with at least 2 years of development left to a full launch. tbh, I never even thought early access would even occur and so far it exceeds my expectations.
@CatDadDave6 күн бұрын
I am really enjoying the crafting system alot the depth is quite surprising and is laid out well I really liked the fact I didn't feel going to a 3rd party site was needed all the info I needed was there and fairly easy to find. I can't wait to get into the group content. I went into this with my view very colored due to this games development process but I am happy to eat crow this game is quite good so far.
@RekitRogue2 күн бұрын
Well well well... look who's done a 180!!! 🙏
@CatDadDave2 күн бұрын
@@RekitRogue oh man you dont even know. I was still a bit iffy about the game running around on my own. Group play man. Grouping sold me on the vision. I see it the unique ways each class can use combo skills with each other is incredible group play is way more active lol i had trouble paying attention to second monitor content cause grouping required focus , theres still alot of work to be done seeing as we are alpha testing. I think this game will bring in more than just us EQ vets cause there is a desire for a modern MMO with classic sensibilities. Classic WoW , old school rune scape, EQ TLP's and private projects. I think this will be bigger than even i gave them credit for the player counts continue to climb.