Panthers fans *PISSED* over crazy $800 Million Stadium renovation

Discussing the Carolina Panthers stadium renovation

[@ericradford2142]

Just say no to the owners. Make them pay for their own stadium.

[@sirchi8731]

Not gonna happen especially when other cities want to get in the nfl game. Also quiet as kept..fans are getting tired of you anti sports ppl ruining stadium upgrades to spite ownership. We have the tax base to keep our teams

[@Orlando_Steve]

Tell them to get lost and go somewhere else.

[@arseniojenkins43]

Exactly

[@SteelRhinoXpress]

And then they will just move the team elsewhere. So you either cough up the money or watch your team go to another city like Oakland and San Diego did. You can blame this on the league for not forcing ownership to pay for their fair share of the bill when it comes to renovations or new stadiums.

[@dcaseng]

@@SteelRhinoXpress Actually, you can blame city government officials who continue to fleece tax payers for vanity projects like luring sports teams to come to their cities. There is no logical reason for tax payers to continue to fund stadiums, especially when there is very little benefit to them. If tax payers stopped funding this stuff, owners would be forced to pay for it themselves.

[@Retsamad]

Man this makes my Jags renovation look so good.

[@neneshubby]

A lot of this sudden stadium renovations/new stadium stuff is nothing more than trying to keep up with the Joneses. Perfectly decent stadiums that have absolutely nothing wrong with them but hey, my neighbors getting a shiny new car. I got to get one too and in 15 years, they’ll be complaining again. I’m just glad that the public finally seems to be seeing this for what it is. A shakedown by billionairess.

[@michaelleroy9281]

You must mean Jerry and Stephen Jones

[@scotttild]

Exactly right.

[@daviddavis6975]

The Panthers stadium sucks though. I know I have been there several times.

[@neneshubby]

@@daviddavis6975 Fine. Then let them pay for it. Why should the taxpayers pay for it? What if you don’t even attend the games? Should your taxes go to fund something you don’t even use?

[@Z64sports]

@@daviddavis6975 I was there 2 years ago. It's fine. Nothing wrong with it. But nothing really sticks out either. But also you're there to watch football and you can

[@pgc2455]

David Tepper is the owner of the Panthers. According to Forbes Magazine he has a net worth of $16.7 billion dollars.

[@Marcus2839]

And?

[@BrentLA]

@@Marcus2839he can pay up and do a 50-50 split instead of 78-22 public private money

[@ArizonaHotSauce]

My theory is that Tepper may have used the Clark Hunt (KC Chiefs) method of releasing renderings of a $800M+ renovation to the current stadium only to get the public to see that he made an effort to be frugal well knowing that it will piss off the fans. Now that he can say that he tried in good faith, he can use it as leverage to ask for a new stadium. These guys know what they are doing. This is the first seed planted. Your move Charlotte. Tepper also knows Charlotte will not let the team leave so he has the upper hand in this play. If Charlotte wants to play hard ball then the business side of Tepper will show no loyalty to the city and then find another city who will pay for a new stadium. It's a simple business decision.

[@chris2236]

@@ArizonaHotSauce I hope this is the case I would much rather have a new stadium in Charlotte rather then some half baked thing they are planning yea there is some good memories there but i would rather have something newer.

[@delleilima5861]

20 billions

[@AndrewSmith-vr8kd]

Commit to 15 years? For that money they should agree to stay forever.

[@ramayala9713]

I think at this point if the Panthers really enjoy that location, they should move to a temporary home for 2-4 years, demolish that stadium to build a new one on top of it

[@ItsNeezy]

Agreed. As I told a friend, it sucks because the growth around BOA has grown so much since it was built that it would be tragic to leave that area. I also believe they should just play somewhere else temporarily and rebuild right there. They should also use the Pipe & Foundry for some actual stadium parking. The parking out there is atrocious. The amount of money for this renovation and what they're presenting, it doesn't help in the long run at all.

[@99somerville]

A local high school stadium would hold all the fans that actually show up for some of their games.

[@ramayala9713]

@ItsNeezy I was in Charlotte last year, it's a cool city

[@ramayala9713]

The Jaguars are doing this same strategy

[@demetresblakley1352]

If they moved to another city, it would be hard to build a fanbase in that city...because, majority fans are in Charlotte smh!

[@JesseDiebolt]

Panthers fans are not pissed. It’s a subset of goofballs that think the city should spend money on bike lanes or other BS that won’t get used. People are only saying anything negative because Tepper isn’t liked because the team hasn’t won since he took over. I’m a Panthers fan and CLT native and there are so many abysmal brain dead fans. Also I’ve said this before on your videos, the stadium is not in bad condition and it’s not like putting lipstick on a pig. It’s a good stadium. There’s nothing wrong with it other than it’s old. It’s in great shape.

[@40EastTrill]

How much research did you do on this? There's much more than just taking out a section and fixing the exterior to this renovation. You should know that in the real estate game, location is everything. It seems like you're trying to push a narrative. As someone who's deep in the Panthers fanbase community, not too many are pissed. You don't like how it looks, ok. Every stadium doesn't need to look like a spaceship.

[@greenbay3164]

That renovation looks very bad 😂

[@rx2878]

The Problem is nobody Trust or likes David Tepper. See the South Carolina training facility. Jerry Richardson was at least somewhat trusted and liked. North Carolina has no problems about pushing owners out. Ask former Hornets team owner George Shinn. Ask about that MLB Baseball team that actually got voted down. There isn't as much leverage there as Tepper thinks.

[@99somerville]

Exactly.

[@Ceno3000]

These the videos, I like me being a Chicago Bears fan I subscribe to this channel because he was talking about the Bears new football stadium when he started talking about politics and the rest of that I don’t even click on those videos. These are the videos I like and these are the videos I watch on his channel. Thanks for posting bro.

[@RomaineMelvin-zi3iv]

Bear down 🐻

[@MichaelBias-fw8ti]

So many NFL teams with new stadium renovations and if they don't get the new stadium renovations they always threaten to leave that's great to know

[@FM-ig3th]

The hate is strong. Lambeau wasn't demolished but renovated. ( to use an example of an old stadium) Other than Tepper's amount, the city of Charlotte can only use this earmarked money for tourism.

[@ronpeacock9939]

If they don't love the stadium... they are welcome to move somewhere else. These are the same people you'll charge way too much for tickets.

[@91_C4_FL]

The owner needs to pay for at least 60% of this to get the public on board - even though they should pay for all of it. It's a good renovation idea. It could make the stadium last another 20-25 years.

[@chrisnewsome2589]

You're overlooking a whole damn lot of details. First off we don't want a roof, we don't want a dome, we love the location. The "public" money that's going to be used is solely from hotel taxes, that can *only* fund projects for BoA, The Convention Center, and amateur sports venues in the city. The concourses are what needs the upgrades, you can talk shit all you want about the seating but fact of the matter is there isn't a seat in there that doesn't have an amazing view. The people who are mad are just idiots who hear "public money/funding", don't bother to listen to where the money is coming from and just assume their taxes are going up.

[@ItsNeezy]

The word "exterior" be whooping your ass. 🤣🤣

[@Trenton_Amani]

Chiiiilllll🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelmarkowski204]

NFL stadiums are by far the worst sports investment from a city/county/state perspective. They're more expensive than other sports stadiums and the team only plays 8-11 games there per year depending on whether they get home playoff dates or not. At least with the NHL and NBA, you get 41 home dates not including playoffs, and for MLB it's 81 home dates not including playoffs.

[@ItsNeezy]

You're very dense. Most NFL stadiums are used for more throughout the year than just NFL games.

[@michaelmarkowski204]

@@ItsNeezy Ah, yeah, but who's the main tenant they're building the stadium for? Two nights of Taylor Swift, or the NFL team?

[@joedimaggio3687]

A total waste of money. That's why the team owners want the taxpayers to pay for the stadiums and not them.

[@maureencora1]

Charlotte, N.C. Wants a Super Bowl.

[@ashleychase8918]

Sooo basically NFL owners asking hard earned tax payers to help owners remain rich is beyond me

[@sirchi8731]

Yes. Play ball or not at all..but u don't speak for everyone

[@ashleychase8918]

@@sirchi8731 speaking facts isn't speaking for everyone

[@sirchi8731]

@@ashleychase8918 but it's not facts lol. If people in Charlotte do t want to lose their team...pay up. Invest in your team or another city will

[@ashleychase8918]

@@sirchi8731 ok that goes for every city LoL the owners have more than enough to cover the cost

[@ArizonaHotSauce]

@@ashleychase8918 As much as I wouldn't want to pay for it as a tax payer, I can defend the process as it stands. Owners know that cities will beg for an NFL team as it brings so much to a community. Because of this, owners know they have leverage against the community to ask for tax dollars. Sure, he could write a check for $3B and be done with it, but he doesn't have to. He didn't make his $16B for being stupid. Shrewd business is still legal business and anyway to get "free" money is one of the core reasons he is where he is today. (I don't know his background, so he may have inherited it, but still.)

[@masonsimms9172]

TBH, I would be happy if they got the renovation. The renovation hints that the Panthers are staying in Charlotte.

[@donaldcook3314]

If they threaten to leave. Then tell them to GO! Screw the NFL. It wont take long before they run out of places to go.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Here's the problem with that. Cities have played that strategy and then after a generation regret the decision and build new stadiums with taxpayer money anyway to try to get a new team via expansion or relocation

[@shanekeenaNYC]

Put a roof on it and make it good for more sports! Not hard! This is the perfect example of what not to do in a renovation.

[@TheOpinionatedSaint]

Love your videos! Do one on the new Bernabeu in Madrid or Bramley-Moore for Everton!

[@dcaseng]

The renovation looks like the type of stadium that causes most owners to threaten to leave for a new stadium.

[@jcsports57]

Owner should build a new stadium 🏟️ in 2025 and open the new stadium 🏟️ in 2027 or 2028 for real 🧐

[@nyfinest017]

The owner should pay for the renovation. All I see is face lift to the exterior and once again an area where they can some sort of luxury section where the owner can mingle with other rich a-holes.

[@Marcus2839]

Why does the Superdome need an exterior change? That is not the problem.

[@Matthew6248]

If that renovation thing doesn't get passed, We may have another relocation situation in our hands, could see BOA stadium becoming a soccer specific stadium as a result.

[@andrebailey6676]

It will get passed

[@richh650]

I thought Tepper was looking to purchase the industrial property just across the highway that is less than a quarter mile from BOA stadium? I guess he wants to pull more money from the taxpayers until something is really done.

[@biIIyball]

This stadium sucks. I'd be pissed too. It needs a complete rebuild, even if they have to play elsewhere for a few years like the Jags will be doing.

[@Matthewsmith-lg5dr]

Bank of America isn’t that bad

[@ElectrifyingUno]

Depressed Ginger forgets that the Panthers played in Clemson, South Carolina for a year while they built this stadium so if they did knock this down and rebuild its been done before. And the Bears left Chicago for a couple years and played at the University of Illinois while soldier field got rebuilt.

[@robinhoodhustsle1356]

Times are tough man even in Charlotte. We not trying to pay

[@IWantATimeMachine0000]

It won't be good enough for a Super Bowl.

[@euroIVAN]

DG let me ask you this question. Do you think SoFi Stadium set the new standard for stadium builds? As you and I been seeing they are all try to go with translucent roof or domes?

[@dogcowrph]

Move to Oakland or St. Louis.

[@ericradford2142]

Or San Diego

[@sirchi8731]

It's possible if Charlotte says no

[@michaelleroy9281]

No way a team is going to play in the crappy Coliseum in Oakland

[@willp.8120]

Why would they do that? Charlotte is now larger than St. Louis and Oakland would be sharing a market with San Francisco and that region keeps losing population. The Bay area has lost over 300k since 2020.

[@great-one0389]

Oakland wouldn't work, the raiders seem to have retained some fans in the bay area and the bay area imo isn't even big enough to support two teams, its probably better to space out the teams around the country.

[@rhodesfunk2996]

It really takes 3 years for a renovation?

[@s10jam]

I remember when there was just empty land there.

[@jaywashington2196]

Why don’t they just tear down and rebuild and play in a place like Clemson. They are the CAROLINA Panthers

[@Jondsmusic]

Renovatttion!! People should be more upset about the economy and their lack of action to become their own central bank and get out of the cabal slave system! Who's going to be able to afford or want to go to a pointless game that's all based on entertainment and escapism? Especially when you don't have a job and can't feed your family. Talk about displaced priorities!

[@sebastianschorr6544]

I what a new stadium and I am a panthers fan

[@luvbreeezy]

As a panthers fan, the part that sucks too is that they’re really in a lose lose situation in my opinion. Option A if you go along with this plan you get 50/50 public reception because a lot of people want a new stadium, to help with weather, bringing in more events, etc. BUT if you go with option B, new stadium, you can’t really do it because in SC, NC, there’s no other place they could really play their season games for 2-3 seasons besides maybe NC state.

[@DumbAndDumberMC]

Clemson Stadium. They played their inaugural season there

[@HumilityisaVirtue]

You have to understand, David Tepper is the owner. Need I say more? The guy is a nut case and if he moved the team, I wouldn't cry a tear. This guy has ruined the franchise.

[@Drewxowl]

I think the renovations are going to help!!!

[@charlestonpinballarcade]

The city leaders and residents need to tell the owners to go scratch… Charlotte is a major hub and the continuing population growth makes it’s one of the most desired markets in the country. Any business that relies on condensed population with high earnings, including major sports teams would jump at the opportunity to be here.

[@andrebailey6676]

We got to keep telling y'all the owner if the owners don't own the stadium they're not going to put money into building a new stadium they're just not going to do it they're going to continue to do what they do renovate the old stadium get public taxpayer money to help build a new stadium what are you guys not getting it's not hard to figure out

[@joederocco9321]

forget dome ,forget turf just friggin play football

[@kingoftsedeq1392]

300 mil maybe but 6 he wants the city to pay for the whole damn thing. I don't think these renovations cost 1.6 bil. The city better get projections bc those costs seem inflated. Let me crunch the numbers🧐🙂

[@scotttild]

Worth 16 + billion why do they need help. Just vote no fan or not. It is absurd they keep asking for money from taxpayers when they can't provide decent schools or roads or a number of other things but they can majically come up with 400 + million to renovate a building that benefits no one except the owners and the 1% that can afford the nice suites. He wants a new paint job let him pay for it.

[@garydavis8213]

How do you think he got to be a $16+ billionaire?

[@jcsports57]

Carolina should build a doam stadium 🏟️ for real 🧐

[@marvinwhittaker]

The Superdome in New Orleans is the most famous Dome of them all. The Superdome is just like Madison Square Garden in New York.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

The Tokyo Dome is the most famous Dome of them all. Because nobody globally cares about some dome that only has American Football (a sport NOT popular globally) in fly over country America

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Tokyo is infinitely better than New Orleans (an awful city even by US standards). The Tokyo Dome is the best dome in the world

[@marvinwhittaker]

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Have you ever been to New Orleans?

[@dojan]

If they rebuild or move they need to redo all PSLs. No one is going to buy with that owner.

[@Roodoca]

San Antonio or Austin Panthers, maybe? Charlotte just need to build a new stadium.

[@michaelleroy9281]

There's no stadium in Austin to play in

[@great-one0389]

Jerry Jones probably wouldn't allow that

[@JohnSmith-kc8cd]

The Panthers owner is the richest owner in the entire NFL. Like hell he needs any public money, especially for a half ass renovation like this.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Sure we could pay for it. But he won't. And we WILL relocate to a metropolitan area that would be willing to pay for it. Omaha Salt Lake City Oklahoma City ect. That's just how North American professional sports is. If a metro area isn't a vital market like NY or LA they ether help with the costs or lose their teams to relocation.

[@andrebailey6676]

It's not a waste of money because we don't actually know it's all in the details only some of the details how do we know there's not more

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

It isn't fair, but that's just North American pro sports. If you aren't NY or LA ( a vital market for a sports league) you ether help ethe costs or lose your team to relocation to another metropolitan area who will pay. And metropolitan areas that lose teams eventually regret the decision generations later and build a new stadium with taxpayer money anyway to get a new a team via expansion or relocation to replace the team that left.

[@crveech]

Why should the city pay $800 million for a crappy football franchise?

[@ItsNeezy]

That's a dumb take.

[@Marcus2839]

Ask San Diego or St Louis that question.

[@Angus-Johnson-8334]

What a stupid idea, either need to keep this building for a while or build a dome one day but doing these repairs is a half measure, really less than half because of the cost vs a new stadium but it just makes no sense. The Panthers will never get any more high profile events until they get an indoor stadium. Definitely not college basketball tournaments since basketball teams aren’t gonna play outside.

[@kylermckim]

“A soccer team also plays there”. 🤦🏻‍♂️ great content

[@scruff1026]

Panthers move to St Louis been saying it since the lease was up. Hope not but the owner makes bad decisions and I dont think he care to much about NC IMO

[@99somerville]

The Carolina Panthers. They had a game last year when 10K actually showed up in a 75K stadium. They claimed 72K attendance!

[@willp.8120]

There were extreme thunderstorms. What do you expect?

[@99somerville]

@@willp.8120 God knows what would happen if it ever snowed.

[@willis5605]

A roof would be nice. I don’t care about the other BS. I want to stay cool and dry

[@bushgreen260]

*IT'S BETTER WITHOUT A ROOF AND OVERHANG.*

[@eyeofoldmain3183]

I live in the Carolinas I think we need a stadium Renovation but a small one because I've gone to Charlotte FC games (I like the Colts in the NFL) and the Stadium has been fine

[@meatloaf2026]

Build a new stadium and don't fix the old stadium for real

[@BrianBlaze.]

Stadium renovation is still outdated😂look at the Jaguars renovation it’s a whole makeover to the stadium come on panthers 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@davidj.9432]

As a Panthers fan and Charlotte native, I'd be thrilled if we would lose our team to another city, and have an agreement in place with the NFL to get our team back under the same name a few years later in a new stadium, similar to what happened with the Hornets a few decades ago. Tepper has to go, and that may be our only way.

[@keithmccraw6364]

In no way or form should public money be used to fund billionaires playpens. If they can't afford it themselves, (they can) then they chose the wrong business.

[@HoshizakiYoshimasa]

Then lose the teams. If a metro area isn't NY or LA, sport leagues and owners don't NEED them and move to other metropolitan areas who will pay.

[@Ferdinand_FE]

Mr. Tepper, just move the team to Utah where the state (not the city) will build you a brand new state of the art dome complete with an entertainment district with plush high end condos. There’s old money in Utah. 🎉😂🎉❤

[@MiggerPlease]

I'm gay toddy

[@kennethmontes7139]

Yall are pessimistic individuals, go and take your low vibrations with you.

[@JesseDiebolt]

Agreed. These people are clowns

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

Why does the Panthers exist

[@87alock]

Because Charlotte is one of the biggest cities in the Southeast

[@rx2878]

To Make Carson Palmer quit after Arizona got destroyed in a playoff game..

[@bradleysample3246]

Check real estate prices, that always tell

[@kennethmontes7139]

Why do you're sentiments exist???

[@michaelleroy9281]

Because they were a new team established in 1993 and began play 2 years later

[@AndreAllDay20]

Move the team to London. Stop pounding!

[@cutter-lk8iw]

What the heck is wrong with this stadium? I go about every year to the ACC Championship game, it’s a great stadium. Concourses have food and drink, what else are they supposed to have? It’s easy to get in and out of the stadium. What is wrong with these people? This stadium could be used another 20’years like it is and everyone would survive and not put the tax payers on the hook for a football field

[@kirometer5230]

It’s just severely outdated and piss-poor compared to many other stadiums

[@joshuahilton3718]

Your just a hater bruv

[@Bibibosh]

do u have discord?