Paper Mario's Darkest Days

With a newfound hope for the future of the Paper Mario series, I decided to take a look back at the 3 most controversial games in the series.
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[@mcmikk]

"Rawk gettin groovy isn't real, he can't hurt you" Rawk gettin groovy:

[@geschnitztekiste4111]

The "modified" Toads in the new games can't be of different proportions, genders, ages and names. So they can't have children, women or old people, and they can't have names. In other words, they can't be too immersive. We wouldn't want our worlds to be believable, now would we? Toads in Color Splash constantly talk about their wives, mothers and grandmas, but ummm... where are they? All we got were Toad, except he has a cheap Halloween costume on

[@theglasshalffull6958]

This comment section is actually a lot more generous to the modern paper mario trilogy than I thought it was gonna be. Which makes me happy because I honestly REALLY liked playing through colour Splash and Origami king. And honestly can admit that I like both of their battle systems EVEN if not adding any RPG mechanics was a weird design choice. Now I wonder how exactly my opinions would change if I were to replay these games (and also I never played Sticker Star but I'd imagine I probably wouldn't like it) but for the time being I'd say their solid games with a CRAZY amount of discourse surrounding them. I also never fully played through the 3 original games. I have had the Paper Mario TTYD remake sitting on my shelf for months now so I really should get to that eventually

[@Rawk__]

@@theglasshalffull6958 it’s really nice to see, especially because pretty much every comment has been extremely civil. That’s very VERY refreshing to see in discussions about paper Mario, as I know from first hand experience how quickly discussions about the series can become very uncivilised. But here, everyone has been very respectful and I really appreciate that.

[@dodedani5023]

You can't say that Paper Mario the Origami King is a bad game. I'm not just talking about the fact that it brings back partners, it has a good story, mechanics, worlds, music, etc. but that this game is the redemption of the previous two.

[@-ak-634]

YEP. I always see Origami King as the "best" in Crafted Trilogy. Still not as great as classic Mario RPGs, but still good in its own right.

[@Rawk__]

@@dodedani5023 I definitely don’t think it’s a purely bad game, and you’re right, in many many ways, it is a lot better than sticker star and colour splash

[@gboogie3257]

I don’t care what anyone says about any of these games, they all deserve a first chance, no matter what… Praises, Criticisms, Flaws, and Enjoyment Like no matter what anyone has said about Super Or Sticker the only 2 games I haven’t played, I’m still gonna play them no matter wha when I can, Because as someone who has hated no Paper Mario at all of the ones I’ve played I feel like I would enjoy the only 2 I haven’t played, and everyone could have the chance to enjoy these games without others thoughts put into them and it would be better to have Even with the criticisms I still enjoy Color Splash and Origami King, And even have been Playing 64, and currently playing TTYD for the first and rep,aging color splash at the same time, I gain no dislikes for either of them

[@Rawk__]

@@gboogie3257 I completely agree! Nobody should form judgements on games based purely on the opinions of others. I think everybody should give all of these games a shot and see for themselves whether or not they enjoy them. And if they do end up enjoying them, then that’s purely a win!

[@Grass955]

It’s probably just completely nostalgia based, but after playing TTYD on Switch, I actually think I liked Color Splash a little more. Great video!

[@MinusBros]

Banned content, my wife did not allow me to watch

[@coffee78]

excuse me what are u doing here!!! u can’t watch banned content!!! u better pay me back smh

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

I still really like Origami King in spite of the stupid unnecessary limitations. Exploring the world and finding countless collectibles is exactly the thing I love doing in games, and the ring battle is actually enjoyable for me (though only for regular battles, in the boss fights and Shy Guys Finish Last it sucks big time). I didn’t feel this way on my first playthrough because I was still bitter about Tanabe’s interview, but after the announcement of the TTYD remake I played it again with a new perspective and was able to truly enjoy all the parts I knew I liked and some parts I loathed didn’t seem as bad as I thought originally anymore. More than anything though, I’m relieved that we are finally free from the generic era that was the 2010s (Super Mario Odyssey being the exception) and that Mario is finally allowed to be the awesome, fun and creative franchise it used to be again.

[@felman87]

I only played the original but I finally picked up Thousand Year Door on the Switch after hearing so many people fawn over it. But I also got Mario RPG at the same time and my nostalgia senses just couldn't resist starting there. Though, hearing about how Super Paper Mario is your favorite, I'm hoping that it gets ported to the Switch so I can check it out as well. Big fan of Mario platformers so that + RPG sounds like a good time.

[@willwokbir]

another belter, loved this years output a lot

[@Rawk__]

@@willwokbir thank you!!

[@JoeFredrick]

Excellently put Ori-RAWK-y king!

[@Rawk__]

...why have you forsaken me so

[@iBenjamin1000]

starting off at the top of the video to say I think it's more than a bit optimistic to call this an era of paper mario, or to assume that it's over. though I see another video from you in my recs that suggests you are optimistic.

[@kathezignoro2440]

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT LIKES STICKER STAR???

[@Helix_DX]

Whenever people bring up the Legion of Stationery and why Origami King's bosses are terrible, I feel like people are often forgetting that The Stationery are only about 1/3rd of the Bosses of Origami King (6/17). We also have the 4 Vellumentals, Paper Mistake, Gooper Blooper, Mega Pokey, Handaconda, the Sumo Bros., The Airplane Squadron, and of course King Olly himself. Though I do agree that the Stationer could certainly have been give a bit more pizzazz. I do think an easy way to at the very least add a face to the Legion could have been to make more little Origami people like Olly and Olivia to be Olly's generals and have them magically puppeteer the overgrown arts and craft supplies. At the end of the day you're still actually fighting giant murderweapons and they do pose a legitimate threath. And on a mechanical level I think it's actually to their benefit to be the way they are, since you can logic your way to the solutions. Like, of course the Hole Punch's soft lid is it's weak spot, of course you shut the Pencil Case from behind, Of course you use your hands to pull on the Tape Roll, etc. Anyways, great video still! Sorry for my ramblings.

[@-ak-634]

I can get your grief with the Paper Mario's Crafted Trilogy. Yes, I am calling that given the trilogy's heavy focus on utilizing paper and craft as gameplay and narrative features rather than as stylish features. Even so, I say that Origami King is the best of trilogy because of better gameplay loop as well as more enjoyable battle system that give you bit more of incentives (still not enough though). And I found their bosses with Velemental Beasts and Legion of Stationaries to be hell lot of fun since you'll have to *GASP* strategize how to take advantage of their weaknesses. I felt that Nintendo came pretty close to trying to replicate what made the Original Trilogy so much fun with their battle systems, even if they're still short of hitting the mark. Still, having experience points or rewarding with confetti would have been better than just more coins. So yeah, I liked Origami King, even if it is still not as great as some of best Mario RPGs in Nintendo's portfolio. It's more middle of the pack: pretty decent and fun in right areas, yet not quite so in others. I sincerely hope that given the recent resurgence of classic style of Mario RPGs with the two remakes and upcoming new Mario & Luigi: Brothership, Nintendo have learned their lessons about what kind of games us fans wanted in first place. I don't blame them for wanting to go into different directions with the Crafted Trilogy, the games could have been so much better with few different design decisions in the right places.

[@PoyoDreamer]

I guess anyone who grew up with the classic game Have to hate the modern games, and I'm glad I grew up with the modern games because I can't see my salf hating any of these games (YES, even sticker star).

[@Rawk__]

@@PoyoDreamer I don’t know if that’s necessarily the case for everyone. I personally grew up with super paper Mario and sticker star, so I don’t think this applies to me personally. I get where you’re coming from though

[@narm_greyrunner]

Whaaaaaa?! I missed my boy Rawk's new video. Time to change that.

[@Bfdifan16]

My opinions Sticker star: worse then sin Color splash: very mixed Oragami king: pretty good Even if I grew up with. The new version of paper mario I have to admit the older versions are way better

[@psycake]

While I do agree that modern Paper Mario has intodruced some questionable design choices, which the series hasn´t fully recovered from like interesting, but ulitmately half-baked battle systems or a lack of original characters, there is one aspect which I´d argue they do even better than the classics is the leveldesign. I think the areas are much more open and interesting to explore and especially in Origami Kings case, do not suffer nearly as much from backtracking as TTYD or Super Paper Mario. TTYD had too much narrow corridors for my liking, which not only was a bit boring to traverse, but also gave the world a feeling of connected hallways instead of a living, breathing world. To be honest, I think even Paper Mario 64 did a much better job with this. Super Paper Mario suffered even more, it loved to waste the player´s time with meaningless fetch quest in the main story and very boring, grindy set pieces. I think, Color Splash´s and espiacelly Origami King´s levels are a lot more interesting and have a better pacing. And for that, I think I like Origami King more than TTYD. Good level design is just too important to me. Though, I do plan to revisit Origami King in the near future to see if this opinion still holds up. I´m definetely sure that I like both Color Splash and Origami King much more than Super, I kinda cannot stand that game, even with its strong narrative.

[@AnAveragePurplePikmin]

I would love the Oragami King if every battle wasn't the stupid ass wheel battle mechanic for EVRY BATTLE. I like it for the bosses, I had fun with the wheel thing for he bosses but for every battle it became repetitive so I jut tried to avoid every optinal battle cause I hated the stupid wheel.

[@DonovanE17]

COLOR SPLASH IS AMAZING. I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL

[@hismario123]

Hot Take: I kinda like the card thing in Colour Splash. Granted, the only real time I remember playing it was at a Pax Demo right after Nintendo announced the Switch and clearly didn't care about the Wii U anymore... but I had my fun

[@carlostejeda4341]

I think that will be for menus , and stickers could represent Items, but beyond that, both systems were incredibly flawed compared to the original one, with some minor tweaks you could do a slay the spire type of game with those systems, but sadly I don't think they could be useful beyond that and aesthetics.

[@rinn5238]

I wonder if for the next game they'll go back to sticker star's beta elements. It looked so beautiful and was way more worthy of being Paper Mario 4...

[@Rawk__]

@@rinn5238 I really hope so. The beta builds of sticker star genuinely look like they would’ve been incredible

[@andrewvanover9747]

Hot take: i didnt like Super Paper Mario that much, amazing story and characters, but terrible gameplay, difficulty balancing and level designs, i didn't like Dimentio alot either, i actually like the X Nauts, Three Shadows and Shadow Queen more than Count Bleck and Dimentio, Shadow Queen is my favorite final boss of all time and my favorite paper mario character, and i prefer the remake, TTYD Remake is my favorite game of all time, and tbh, i prefer the characters, story and character design in TTYD over Super's. I'm sorry, I just dont enjoy Super that much, its not a bad game, but its not enjoyable to me. I respect your opinions and i hope you do too. I know TTYD has its flaws, but they never bothered me, the backtracking never bothered me as I enjoy the atmosphere, environments, music, characters and world so much. So even tho i admit both versions has flaws, they never bothered me, I hardly have anything to complain about, and its still a 10/10 for me and my favorite game of all time.

[@Handicappuccinofinace-nv2bt]

It was a really bad financial decision to make the games like this How do you feel about screen, recording and video call combined to investigate links for people that were falsely accused of spam

[@user-xr6ko4jg1z]

I played both TOK and TTYD for the first time this year, and liked them both equally. I hope the series continues to try new things going forward - maybe a new battle system for the next game. The TTYD battles were very similar to 64, so I think another game in that style would feel stale

[@Siamecat]

Ah yes, the modern Paper Mario trilogy. I still think Color Splash and Origami King deserve credit for being a MAJOR improvement over Sticker Star, not a slight one. For me, it comes down to how much more memorable any given scenario is. The environments and the stories that surround them are the aspects of these games that come the closest to the classic Paper Mario style. Color Splash has a very creative chapter about the last journey of an old train, Origami King has you team up with Kamek and Bowser Jr while exploring a tropical spa in the sky, stuff like that. Sticker Star on the other hand, is a pretty nothing game. I forget about most of the levels once I complete them because nothing happens in them. If I do remember a level in that game, it's because it had an extremely obtuse puzzle. Anyway, great video! You bring up a lot of great points I hadn't thought of before.

[@Rawk__]

That’s a really good way of looking at these games. Colour splash, and particularly the origami king have a LOT of memorable moments, the games stick in my mind a lot more than sticker star, which I only really remember for very bad reasons.

[@TheSlideCell]

​@@Rawk__There is one thing CS has over all the other PM games, and that is the fact that you can game over from a Toad yelling at you.

[@Rawk__]

@@TheSlideCell so true

[@savfoxy2165]

TOK is peak i must say up there with the first 3 paper mario game

[@teaoftraffic]

tbh color splash is overhated huey’s great, music is AMAZING, plus ACTUAL LEVEL DESIGN with REALLY great themes (look at the entirety of the orange chapter) also steak battle.

[@Rawk__]

@@teaoftraffic I’d agree! Colour splash has a lot going for it

[@teaoftraffic]

@@Rawk__ also a lot of people complain about the koopalings, but honestly? i really like their characterization and battles in color splash (roy’s the best no contest) also ludwig rushing his battleship’s construction will never not be hilarious to me

[@Rawk__]

@@teaoftraffic I’ve never understood the hate for the koopalings in general, I love those little goobers

[@HKG4]

The writing is also really good, if they did the original battle system, CS would definitely be an S-tier.

[@teaoftraffic]

@@HKG4 i think the battle system’s fine it doesn’t need to be like ttyd’s.

[@MeMelon]

Mario de Paper

[@Chancherpancher]

*Re-comment:* Origami King is not bad for me though (Never played it). Also, Sticker Star is the first Paper Mario game I've ever played. (Paper Mario World the Flash Game doesn’t count.)

[@theswags9675]

The Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door remake did nothing to revive the Paper Mario series and all it did was bring back nostalgia for other players

[@PhoeniksStorm]

While Color Splash and Origami Kingdom are..... ok games. But Sticker Star is entierly anti consumer, or I guess anti player. Like it feels like a game made to piss people off.

[@Rawk__]

@@PhoeniksStorm that’s pretty much exactly how I felt about sticker star

[@Brendanowl]

Society has unfortunately made me not allowed to like both the 3 original and the 3 modern paper mario titles. im forced to choose one or the other or someone gets mad.

[@Rawk__]

@@Brendanowl it shouldn’t have to be that way. If you like all of the games, that’s awesome! Wear that love like a badge of honour!

[@Brendanowl]

@@Rawk__ :D

[@gboogie3257]

THIS! THIS BRO! LIKE GOD DAMN WOULD IT KILL PEOPLE TO LAY OFF OF PEOPLE LIKING 3 GAMES ABOUT A ITALIAN MADE OF PAPER?!

[@nekonomicon2983]

The only one I don't like is Sticker Star. Mostly because I find it lacks a lot of the charm the series had to until that point. Color Splash did improve on the and Origami King was a step in the right direction, so overall I like both camps.

[@therealjaystone2344]

I can’t wait for the newer Paper Mario game at 2028

[@SuperMonaLisaBros]

Paper Mario: Paper Mache Mayhem! A collaboration with Telltale games. The final boss is a toad trafficker who uses paper toads to sculpt weapons. Because of this, the game is rated M.

[@Goomba1309]

DUDE, you really hit the nail on the head with that rant from 2:08 onwards. Look people, if you're fans of the modern Paper Mario games, that's totally fine and dandy. But you should never, and I repeat NEVER, try and silence any genuine criticism people may have of those games and especially strawmanning them as "It'S nOt TtYd" as if that's the only reason why people don't like the modern games, and you ESPECIALLY shouldn't do that and then have the chutzpah to then go cry and whine about how "TtYd FaNs ArE sO tOxIc" when you get rightfully called out for your stupid take. And before anyone tries and tell me, yeah, I know there are a vocal minority of toxic jerks who hate the modern games simply because they're not TTYD, and I think nobody on the face of the earth likes those type of people. However, that toxic vocal minority is just that: a vocal minority. You really think those people represent ALL fans of the classic games and especially TTYD? Well, here's the thing, there are MILLIONS of them, many of them actually being perfectly reasonable and decently friendly people. And you're basing your opinion of all of them on those hostile critics that are very loud but also relatively small in numbers? I'm so tired of people generalizing fans of TTYD as one giant toxic mob and acting as if that game's the only one that has a toxic fanbase. There are rotten apples on both sides of the fandom, whether it be the classic side, or the modern side. And if you're the type of person that silences any criticism towards the modern games and then hypocritically generalizes TTYD fans as all of them being toxic, then I suggest you go look at yourself in a mirror. (Sorry about that rant and a half, I really needed to get that off my chest)

[@bestevil.]

I'm so confused by people who complain abt calling it ttyd bias because I've never seen anyone say that

[@Brendanowl]

Ahw come on, i love origami king!

[@Rawk__]

@@Brendanowl I respect that a lot!

[@Brendanowl]

@Rawk__ thats very respectful of you

[@user-xr6ko4jg1z]

Did anyone else find the battle system in 64 quite boring? I kept running into identical groups of enemies, and defeating them with the same move set, over and over. It would be the exact same battle multiple times. The fact that you gain XP doesn’t make it any more fun in my opinion. The classic fans rave about the old battle system but I found it overrated. I thought the battles in Mario Rabbids way more interesting

[@LaxMarch2022]

Super Rawk Bros.

[@palmerita12800SI]

Hey, origami king was awesome 😢

[@Rawk__]

@@palmerita12800SI I’m glad you feel that way!

[@giganticmoon]

ngl my thoughts on ttyd went from it being peak to just being a great game, i’ve played way better

[@Rawk__]

Interesting! What specifically made you feel that way?

[@giganticmoon]

@@Rawk__ The amount of backtracking, battles getting a bit slower towards the end, and like I said before, playing better games imo, like Persona 5 Royal, Splatoon 2, and more.

[@Rawk__]

@@giganticmoon that’s fair! I also found myself getting into less battles towards the end of the game, but to be fair I think that was mostly that I was trying to get into battles less. I personally didn’t end up having any issues with backtracking though, so I guess that’s one of the big reasons I still hold the game in such high esteem.

[@giganticmoon]

@@Rawk__ oh. the main reason i mention backtracking is because of chapter 2, but it was annoying

[@Rawk__]

@@giganticmoon that’s really interesting to me, most of the people I see who disliked the backtracking have a problem with the General White section, to the extent that I genuinely forgot about chapter 2.

[@Glacial11]

I really wanted to like Origami King but the ring based battle system completely ruined it for me its the worst battle system i’ve ever seen in an rpg its not fun

[@Rawk__]

@@Glacial11 I’m in the exact same boat, I genuinely can’t wrap my head around it

[@-ak-634]

I don't blame you. I really enjoyed the system, even though it is pretty demanding of them to have you think about shifting around the rings. Even my brain sometime hurts from trying to think or visualize so hard at times.

[@kh_darkwing]

My only complaint about the ring battles is that they’re too easy. Even the ring champ ones. If they had harder levels of difficulty I’d definitely be more engaged with it. At least the ring puzzles are better than the half-baked paper macho fights.

[@gboogie3257]

I disagree… What expecting a twist or something?

[@Wario1382]

Origami King is so much better than 64 and Super

[@Rawk__]

@@Wario1382 I personally disagree, but I respect it!

[@gamesier2400]

Honestly I agree

[@gboogie3257]

I agree on 64 but I can’t say for super, never played it

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

Agree with Super, not 64 though

[@jaretco6423]

Honestly, I would add Super as part of an dark age. I'll defend the story as that's the only best thing about it. But in terms of the gameplay, it is the most unbalanced & unfun thing out of the entire series. The others are terrible. But at least they have some consistency & was turned-based.

[@Rawk__]

I can understand that perspective, but as someone who vastly prefers platformers over RPGs, Super appealed to me on such a deep level. I adore that game so much

[@jaretco6423]

@@Rawk__ That's fine. Nothing against that. I just prefer the more RPG approach of Paper Mario than an side scrolling platformer and even if I was OK with the shift, the gameplay still wasn't very good and could've benefit it alot better liked the more combat variety & characters being more usage inatead of being situational. Also most of the chapters are cryptic as hell.

[@Rediscool9]

@@Rawk__ Could it not be because of nostalgia and nothing else?

[@Rawk__]

@@jaretco6423 Yeah, I get where you’re coming from. Super definitely isn’t as solid as the first 2 games mechanically, and you’re also right about it being cryptic. There are a lot of sequences that feel like they can border on unfair if you’re trying to beat the game without a guide or prior knowledge of what to do.

[@Rawk__]

@@Rediscool9 nope, at least not in my case. I do have nostalgia for this game, but I when I played it in 2021 alongside the rest of the series, I was very much trying to set my pre-existing opinions of the games aside and judge them purely on the experience I had with them then. And when doing that, Super still came out at the top of my personal ranking

[@seroujghazarian6343]

hey, not everything about the modern trilogy is bad, heck some stuff carried over to the ttyd remake

[@Rawk__]

@@seroujghazarian6343 I 100% agree! These games have a lot of good stuff going for them

[@lulukomadori9651]

Very, what about paper jam tho?

[@Rawk__]

I haven't played it yet! And I guess in my mind I moreso lump that in with the Mario & Luigi series rather than Paper Mario

[@JamesP7]

It’s a Mario & Luigi game with a Sticker Star crossover. Though I do find it to be my 2nd favorite of the franchise (hot take). It perfected the gameplay, world movement, and even added a cutscene fast forward and tutorial skip.

[@Niko_the_octo]

Casually one of the first comments, also great video! Have a good rest of your day!

[@Rawk__]

Thank you!

[@Niko_the_octo]

@@Rawk__ AAAH YW (I literally look up to you rn your editing is so NICE ty for replying)

[@Rawk__]

@@Niko_the_octo Awh that’s so sweet, thank you!! Comments mean a lot to me, so I like to try and reply to as many as I reasonably can, so thank you for taking the time to leave a comment in the first place!

[@Niko_the_octo]

@@Rawk__ You're so welcome! I'm hoping you get more subscribers soon because you genuinely deserve it

[@JoeFilms5420]

Just starting the video now, but I'm looking forward to your thoughts. Very curious to see why you think Origami King is worse than Color Splash, this should be a fun ride lol. Sticker Star, though I have very fond memories of it, doesn't really have much to defend. The music slaps and Snifit or Whiffit was great but beyond that I understand all the critique it gets, and can definitely see why it's the worst Paper Mario game. I love Origami King though. I understand it still isn't just like the old games, and there's definitely room to improve in the next one, but Origami King did a lot of things really well. So I'm looking forward to your critique!

[@Rawk__]

The music in all 3 of these games is absolutely fantastic, but yeah, sticker star in particular is a very hollow experience. I think if I had to explain my preference of colour splash, it’s the fact that compared to sticker star, that game is a massive improvement. Origami king is very very different, and as such, presents a vast array of completely new problems that annoy me way more than most anything in colour splash.

[@JoeFilms5420]

@@Rawk__ Yeah, I can't fault you for that! I really like a lot of the gameplay elements of the Origami King, but with it being such a wild departure, it makes sense that others wouldn't. And to be fair, even as someone who likes Origami King's battle system, I have to admit that I often tried avoiding battles by the end of the game. They take up a lot of time and you get practically infinite coins, so there isn't really a point to battle anyone. Also, that's WILD that he openly said the games aren't RPGs in an interview. Seems like a really weird decision to try throwing out such an important part of a series' roots. All in all, great video as always. Took me forever to get back to respond here, but it's always nice seeing a critique where I can respect the points you make, even if I like the thing you're critiquing.

[@GFred1983]

“Characters can’t have names.” Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad, Yoshi, Bowser, Bowser Jr., etc.

[@Rawk__]

@@GFred1983 so true

[@espurrseyes42]

Those are established characters. The dumb mandate is not allowing them to make OC characters of existing Mario species. On top of not being allowed to make new characters or species that fit in with the world of Mario. So no putting a hat on a Goomba and calling him Goombario. Or making a race of shadow witches. Any new characters have to be Papercraft beings or generic species with generic names or titles. Or the Bobby loophole where that's not his name, but Olivia being stupid and saying his name wrong.

[@GFred1983]

@@espurrseyes42 I get it I just think it’s funny

[@patriziaperu]

origami king is actually the only one i beated yet in the series and i really love it!

[@Rawk__]

@@patriziaperu that’s awesome! Origami king was the first one I fully beat too, but I had played some of sticker star and super before origami king

[@dragorethegreat1800]

“Forever” You do know we’ve only gotten one game and it was a remake

[@Rawk__]

@@dragorethegreat1800 LET ME BELIEVE

[@Rediscool9]

*You:* “THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, GUYS THEREFORE YOU CANT CRITICIZE THIS VIDEO!” *Also you:* “HERE’S WHY THIS IS *OBJECTIVELY* BAD!”

[@Rawk__]

@@Rediscool9 yes. I feel that these games have objectively bad elements that bring down the experience of playing them substantially. I also feel that, when you remove those elements or try not give them too much of your energy, these games are really fun. Also, when did I say you couldn’t criticise my takes? I’m always open for being criticised, as long as said criticism is constructive, and the person giving that criticism isn’t just trying to start fights.

[@Rediscool9]

@@Rawk__ I’m aware that things in these games are “objectively” bad, but you can’t just pull the “this is just my personal opinion” card only to then say “here’s why this is objectively bad”.

[@Rediscool9]

@@Rawk__ Here’s what I think you simply could’ve done instead as a bit of constructive criticism. You could’ve separated your segments of the videos based off objective flaws with the games and personal pet peeves you have with the games. Where in you “objective flaws” segments, you point out the fundamental problems and in your “personal pet peeves” segment, that’s when you say these are all just your personal opinions. I hope I’m a bit more clear here. I’m not trying to attack, I just have a problem whenever reviewers in general do that, it’s not just you I swear.

[@JamesP7]

@@Rediscool9You don’t understand how opinions work. “Tommy Wisseau’s _The Room_ is a bad movie” is an objective fact, and “The Room is a funny movie I enjoy for being bad” is an opinion. Both statements can exist simultaneously.

[@alfasilverblade]

Myamoto didnt make the Paper games soo hes angry that TTYD is more popular than his own games soo he sabotage the series by banning rpg éléments such as exp and unique characters. And impose a breakable/consumable attack system to do like zelda botw and totk.

[@Rediscool9]

Stop. Demonizing. Miyamoto.

[@espurrseyes42]

​@@Rediscool9 Then he should stop giving people reason to do so. Maybe don't demonize the original PM formula and impose stupid mandates that don't apply to other Mario franchises that end up ruining the franchise for a decade and some change.

[@Rediscool9]

@@espurrseyes42 Oh great, it’s you again. God, you’re insufferable.

[@alfasilverblade]

@@espurrseyes42 Exactly.

[@nekonomicon2983]

I heard it was because he didn't really care much for stories since he primarily focuses on gameplay.

[@NicusStudios]

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[@Rawk__]

You know what you did

[@WooperK]

in my opinion color splash is the best paper mario, but if you dislike it that's totally fine, just don't tell people they can't have fun with it if you can't,

[@ForrestFox626]

I don't think he was

[@Rawk__]

@@WooperK I respect that a lot! Colour splash was definitely my favourite of the modern trilogy, and I’m happy you enjoyed it as much as you did!

[@espurrseyes42]

You can have fun with trash. Just stop pretending it isn't OBJECTIVELY trash. There's nothing good about battle system that actively encourages you not to engage with it because it's a waste of resources and time. Just to name ONE problem with the game.

[@WooperK]

​@@espurrseyes42 oh yeah like the first 3 paper mario games don't have problems too, the bad level design of TTYD, the pretty bland story of 64, the level design in super, TTYD is a trash game because it has bad level design, because it's not a trash game, just because it has some problems does not mean it's a bad game, (sticker is trash tho)

[@espurrseyes42]

@@WooperK The problems in 64 and TTYD are few and overblown (or just bs like saying 64's story is bland). Not even the backtracking in the latter ruins it. A battle system that discourages battling and bass ackwards puzzle solutions no one would think of DO ruin a game. And I don't wanna hear you saying anything about bad level design like the entire Forest Area of Sticker Star doesn't exist.

[@ktgv359]

origami king is really good, it stands toe to toe with the first 3 games imo

[@Rawk__]

@@ktgv359 that’s completely fair! It’s definitely the closest to the originals out of the modern trilogy, and it’s the most ambitious of arguably any game in the series

[@Austin-zc9gp]

For the modern Paper Mario trilogy, Origami King definitely is the best of the three. The only complaint I have about it is the battle ring mechanic, other than that everything else in the game is amazing.