Paper Mario: The Origami King - REVIEW (Nintendo Switch)

[@generalgrievous67]

PSA for everyone: Don't let anyone stop you from voicing your criticisms, but don't stop anyone from voicing their enjoyment either. Let people give the game a shot and respect if they like it or not

[@almondjoy4938]

That sounds reasonable to me!

[@smugster7]

Agreed.

[@kingbowser4542]

Agreed

[@coinshot3951]

The stream chat was like BORING THIS SUCKS When they saw the battle system I was thinking to my self why are people so toxic sometimes

[@mrjohnful]

Fantastic argument (this is NOT irony)

[@linkinman84]

2:32 wish Miiverse was still around, that guy who would post about every game's water would be losing his mind

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

yeah miivearse wuz goode

[@WGY_Games]

10/10 water

[@Nicu-vy3gm]

Meh

[@ahmadkazan7994]

No please no,I had seen some shit and I am happy Nintendo took it down.

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

@@ahmadkazan7994 itz knot berry goode dat yous sez dat pleeze sey sowy

[@THawkMedia]

Olly: why don't we take peaches castle, and PUSH it somewhere else

[@thechewster9826]

PUSH

[@THawkMedia]

@@thechewster9826 (grunt)

[@THawkMedia]

@@thechewster9826 (grunt)

[@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney]

That Spongebob reference lmao

[@ivanhernandez5558]

It wasen't pushed it was lifted.

[@SuperPaperPokemon]

They took an RPG game, made it an RPG plataformer, turned it into a pseudo-RPG game, and then into a puzzle game with RPG elements...

[@justa-walrus3763]

Yeah the paper Mario series is weird

[@umbrellaeyethingguy4665]

At least it seems like a decent puzzle game instead of a poorly implemented pseudo-rpg. I would still prefer a return to form tho

[@girlslaughingjp]

Bands that release the same album over and over get stale, fast.

[@wiiuandmii7619]

...what's wrong with that?

[@fissilewhistle]

If they’re going to push the RPG elements to the wayside, then they might as well go all the way and make another platformer like Super Paper Mario. That game knew what it wanted to do and wasn’t trying to be something it wasn’t.

[@JakeJakers]

A friend of mine asked me something that I think is worth sharing here: Why does Paper Mario still use turn based combat? if there's no experience, what value is there? It simply destroys the pacing. Super Paper Mario proved a Paper Mario game can work without turn based combat, and the Origami King has real time encounters. If they're dead set on not following in the previous game's steps, then drop the turn based combat. It feels like "It's Paper Mario, we need turn based battles" but have no interest in having stat building (which is what off-sets how repetitive turn based battles are). For Paper Mario 7 that we get 4 years from now, please either make a turn-based RPG with experience, or just drop turn-based combat outright and make Super Paper Mario 3D. I'd rather have one or the other.

[@okayokey]

True, but then again, think about this: if you only liked the turn based combat because of the XP, do you actually like the battles? Games are supposed to be fun! I like that the battles have no purpose because like that, when I do want to battle, I can do it for fun and if I don’t want to do it, I can just skip it and still have the same amount of skill to beat the boss.

[@okayokey]

That is why I enjoyed Color Splash

[@batterybrostudios]

I never really thought of it like that before

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

@@okayokey I'm of the opinion that turn based battles aren't interesting on their own. Hence why they require an incentive for you to want to engage in them. Without the incentive of EXP, its pointless to have turn based battles.

[@Jack-kx5mh]

Let me simplify it like this, Imagine if zero Mario Games existed. Then Galaxy One and Two release. 5 years go by and the next Mario game releases is Mario Kart. We expected a platformer, we wanted a platformer, we asked for a platformer, Then we were teased a platformer, then we didn’t get it? Mario Kart is still great, but a slap in the face to fans. We’ve been asking for a certain game, 3 times now we’ve been teased it and they didn’t deliver. If you don’t want to make the game at the very least make it clear from the first trailer it’s not what we want

[@xtalksx]

Me after watching review: Yeah the war between Paper Mario fans isn’t stopping anytime soon....

[@silverking8460]

It will be called "Paper Mario: Thousand Year's War".

[@IfOUGHTpIRANHAz]

You 👏 Are 👏 Not 👏 A 👏 Fan 👏Of 👏 Paper 👏 Mario 👏 If 👏 You 👏 Only 👏 Like 👏 Two 👏 Entries

[@josiahball7799]

Yeah, this has the potency to rival the whole Last of Us 2 debacle

[@connorstanton2567]

@@lol-ih1tl lol

[@gotz1516]

@@IfOUGHTpIRANHAz wrong. The first two entries were what the made the series great. Why fix something that works well???

[@intestinalclouds-kfpobitua5342]

I'm still baffled how they've made the same mistake with the battle system for 3 games now. If you're not going to have a progression system, then what's the point of turn-based battles? Just make the game a puzzle-platformer since you're going to avoid enemies as much as you can anyway. They seem to have the idea with the paper mache baddies that you fight outside in the world so they should just keep that with every other enemy in the game. The boss battles can stay though, cause they look freakin' awesome.

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

Thats exactly what they did, thats why the combats are literally puzzles

[@gracklepolp0534]

If it was completely up to Tanabe then there would be 0 turn base battles, but because it is a Paper Mario game and PM is known for its RPG like mechanics, Tanabe was pretty much forced into adding something he didnt really want.

[@Freddos11]

@@alejandropradalozano6525 But just like skill points in most AAA games, it seems to be inconsequential and tacked-on, unlike puzzle-platformers like Braid or Portal, where puzzles are the most important game mechanic and often have plot-relevance.

[@madnessarcade7447]

This is a different battle system so no they didn’t

[@ultraspinalki11]

@@gracklepolp0534 wasn't Super Paper Mario NOT turn-based?

[@adam145]

That water will make that water dude literally explode in excitement. You know who I'm talking about if you were around during the miiverse era.

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

i wuz on da miivearse

[@ryanm.8720]

where were you wen miiverse die i was at house eating lays when phone ring "Miiverse is kil" "no"

[@jameswellington7745]

Ryan M. apolgy for bad english

[@jackgarcia5926]

You should draw it giving birth

[@FrahdChikun]

@@jackgarcia5926 draw yourselves in the comments

[@NekkoBlue]

Despite the quality of Olivia's writing, I can't be the only one who's getting tired of these fairy-type characters who only show up for one Paper Mario game, am I? They're just so forgettable imo. Mario and Luigi really did it best, having Starlow seemingly be a series main-stay for three whole games.

[@Monafide3305]

Seriously, Huey in color splash, that weird crown from Sticker Star, and now this. It's not like you can't have a new companion in every game, Zelda seems to do just fine doing that most of the time, but these seem so generic and unmemorable.

[@kryzethx]

Hm, now that you mention it, Thousand Year Door didn't have one of those.. and unless you count the star child who mostly only exists for the Peach sections, neither did the original. Very interesting...

[@MrJmanrey]

RIP M&L games

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

Isn't Huey a bucket?

[@jonathanharoun5247]

Wait, what? The general consensus is that Starlow had no reason to be in Dream Team or Paper Jam. So no, Mario and Luigi shouldn't get any props for that.

[@SprDrumio64]

Remember when Paper Mario's combat was well liked enough to have a pit of 100 trials?

[@larshmallows]

I mean it was not THAT good imo, pit of 100 trials got tedious FAST

[@Hawlo]

A Pit of 100 Ring Puzzles would make me lose my damn mind.

[@arios6443]

Remember when Super Paper Mario had not one, but four enemy gauntlets with fricken platformer combat?

[@VonFirflirch]

@@arios6443 Funnily enough, I feel the two pits were the most fun part of the game, for actually having stakes. The pointless revisit and the tournament, though? No thanks x)

[@VooDooMan42069]

Remember when paper Mario used to be an rpg?

[@ChucklesProduction1]

Fun fact: TTYD lead composer returned for this game. This is the first time since then. He just has a different last name because of marriage

[@timofcent1]

Interesting. I thought a lot of the music sounded VERY classic. I specifically remember listening to Luigi's theme for an extended period of time and I could just see it being in TTYD.

[@BearManescalchi]

The game’s music is great, though Color Splash is also one of my all time favorite soundtracks. Can’t wait until they fix the battle system proper one day.

[@Littleton3513]

Is it Japanese tradition for the Husband to take a last name or is there another reason?

[@nickk3077]

That’s actually not true. I just searched it up.

[@w2krispy138]

13:39 Coins: 42062 We were so close to greatness

[@thefaithtrio2106]

Damn too close :(

[@mechashadow]

The time stamp could have been 13:37 So close

[@joshuaadam7926]

Damn i would have killed for 1000 coins in TTYD lol

[@charlestrudel8308]

@@wobblewokgaming655 nonetheless, it doesnt seem so balanced if you can get 40 000 coins wihtout the need of using them.

[@TheQuackinator]

Oh don't worry, your comment (at the time of writing this) has 69 likes.

[@yoshiminer4289]

I don’t understand what this team’s thought process is at all. They experiment and often get varying results that don’t help the game’s reception at all. It’s just baffling that they continue to do so in this game, and, according to Andre, end up with high highs and low lows. I just don’t understand it...

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

Game has an 81 on metaritic and will sell like 3m minimun, they did well.

[@RQeeb-os1jb]

Alejandro Prada Lozano Sales don’t mean shit. The games quality is poor.

[@dobby6473]

@@alejandropradalozano6525 i'm surprised ppl are giving it low scores(for a AAA game) i was expecting 8.5+ from everyone with the battle system bring the score down to that

[@pn8937]

@@RQeeb-os1jb you are embarassingly clueless.Nintendo is a company not a charity.Sales mean the world to them instead of some vague critisism on social media by the hardcore fanbase.We may not like them but since they are not laughably bad in terms of quality and are sold like crazy the company wont change them.

[@chrishamilton7107]

@Juancarlos Escalante Not to mention, thanks to the initial rumors and some promising things in the original trailer, there are likely still many people who have the idea that it's a return to form, or at least more of a return to form than it actually is, so that will also help the sales.

[@BadEyeBill]

The last few Paper Mario games have such great presentations and funny writing but are not fun to play. They make better "lets play" videos than a game and that is disappointing. And now with Mario and Luigi stuck in limbo we may never get another true rpg from Mario. I miss the Way those old RPGs expanded the Mario world, I like Paper Marios but they seem to take place in a different universe now.

[@Rachel-mr5by]

I was thinking the exact same thing! I might hop on a couple streams of this game, but I have no intention of buying the game for myself after everything I have heard

[@prismaticseal2553]

They lost their replayability once their gameplay became boring and stale, the story is only worth visiting once and is for the fun writting which you can experience on KZbin play throughs

[@Octosona]

The old games are called Mario story in Japan. But from sticker star and on, Japan calls them paper Mario. So you could take this as a sign that Nintendo in Japan considers them 2 different series. Mario story and Mario & Luigi are both dead.

[@sambalekouy7298]

I was waiting for Mario & Luigi for Switch, then Alphadream a bankruptcy in the knee.

[@Dynablade7]

A Mario+Rabbids sequel is our only hope for a true Mario RPG now

[@addisonrahn7984]

I find it so frustrating that Nintendo did address some of the combat issues of Sticker Star and Color Splash by giving you permanent attack options, and THEN chose this time to radically change the battle system again. I’m no fan of the modern Paper Mario formula, but they keep saying “hm, people complained about this aspect, let’s just replace it entirely, or offer something else that doesn’t even address the complaint.” Like if you wanted ketchup on your burger, and they offered you tomatoes instead-and then they FINALLY decide to give you a condiment instead, and they hand you mustard. I just don’t understand why they can’t iterate on things that need improvement without throwing the baby out with the bath water.

[@mrfox5117]

Actually all of the weapons have durability accept for the basic "boot" and "hammer". So they actually did not fully address the criticism since the only way to have boss fights not last over a hour (the venumentals) is to have good weapons.

[@thedontpanic]

Yeah it seems like Nintendo and their associated deva are almost always trying to innovate, even to such a degree that is wholly unnecessary. Sometimes (most notably with Paper Mario) it's like they've already pulled a diamond out of the rough and instead of cutting it and refining into an even prettier gem, they let it sit uncut and just dig for more. There are Nintendo other series that do try not to completely throw out what made their predecessors good while still trying new things, like the main 3D Mario games (64, Sunshine, Galaxy, Odyssey).

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

Well said.

[@mtgstudios1556]

they need to not try to remake a game series every game. keep what works and renovate what doesn't. People buy multiple games in the series for the magic previously experienced by an older installment.

[@senorsnipey1595]

You want traditional rpg elements you should play Mario n Luigi Saga. I feel Nintendo wants to differentiate the 2 and this game is still turn based and has well more strategy than Game Explain lets on. Its more fun to play than to watch but I could say that about any paper mario bc even the OGs are pretty basic battle systems. Atleast with this game the puzzle like battle system is like an odd game of chess

[@ignorantrempit]

The general consensus when everyone got the game for preview: Battles can be too easy The general consensus after they finished the game for review: Battles can be too difficult.

[@charlestrudel8308]

the coins must be used to ease the battles it seems, just not sure yet.

[@corywashington9580]

It kinda sounds like the difficulty is fine with those two pieces of information put together. I bet when difficulty spikes using coins might be how you ease the difficulty spikes.

[@mredbadger]

the impression I'm getting is that battles aren't hard, they can just take forever

[@LWren123]

I actually found battles too easy, as they were built so you can complete any non-boss in one turn.

[@slenderfoxx3797]

This game was hella easy lol

[@madisonconger]

I really appreciate gamexplain giving this game an honest review. I honestly thought they would give this a great review regardless just because it’s paper Mario, but this review was much more critical than I expected, and I appreciate that objectivity. Although the game seems like it has some redeeming qualities, I will probably sit this one out. The lack of XP is just too annoying for me personally to have to go through tons of pointless battles. Hopefully, people that want to play it will enjoy it, but I also hope Nintendo will finally get the message if this game doesn’t sell well. Either way, thanks again for the thorough review and keep up the good work.

[@Hawlo]

I came to say this, I was pleasantly surprised with this review.

[@JeanneFeisont]

What? Gamexplain is always brutal with their reviews lmao. I’d say they undersell most games.

[@zarthy4169]

Hey Hawlo 👋

[@valeriemcdonald440]

@@zoidxsa They have 3 ratings above "liked". So by gamexplain standards, it's barely a pass. It just sounds nicer.

[@Hawlo]

@@zoidxsa Maybe the others, but Andre here was a huge fan of Color Splash and, if I'm not wrong, played TTYD for the first time very recently.

[@Aidenb.841]

Bruh the graphics on that water. : gamexplain thanks for the heart ❤️

[@louiswouters71]

Not as good as the water in pikmin 3

[@jsw1ckedd]

Die tiko fan

[@Aidenb.841]

Nah I rifty fan

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

And, THE GRAPHICS, you know, this is really what this is all about.

[@Pmf95k]

Default gang

[@BDOGG345]

Well, rip. The fact that he said he started running and avoiding the fights makes me think it isn’t worth picking up this game. I want to play a game where I like the entire experience, and not one where I don’t like half the game. He doesn’t like half the bosses, started getting annoyed with the combat, and (he likes this, but I don’t) the game constantly reminds me it is paper? Stinks to say, still not impressed. I’ll stick with Bug Fables.

[@LoreGamerTV]

K

[@android19willpwn]

I mean... I don't think I've played an RPG where I didn't start avoiding fights by the end (or wishing I could avoid them, in the case of random encounters). I'd still say some of those games were fantastic.

[@BDOGG345]

Android 19 See, I feel like every battle is worth something, especially near the end where they get you more exp. Reaching the max level and things like that are a ton of fun, but there isn’t even a way to do that here. Totally understand the point of some great games where you might near the end avoid some battles, but I would say that those sections then aren’t very good parts of that game. When a core concept of the game becomes something players try to avoid, I would say that concept didn’t fully accomplish its goal.

[@prismaticseal2553]

BDOGG345 I used to run into battles in TTYD and 64 just because they were fun, it wast just an EXP grind, leveling up gave more options, but being low level was still possible with correct planing.

[@mojoe5115]

@@BDOGG345 I 100 percent agree with you, I mean how can a game with battles be fun if you can beat the final boss right from the start of the game? I think its practically necessary to have an leveling system, and it just seems like paper mario devs dont care about what the fans want and are just putting in whatever.

[@mathpc4047]

I still don't know why many leakers claimed that this game was a "back to its roots" a few months ago

[@ramsesjfg7668]

I bet they just took a guess cause it wouldn't make sense to get another Color Splash. They guessed wrong.

[@The0ptimus]

Wishful thinking.

[@VonFirflirch]

I guess they just weren't "reliable" sources ;)

[@marcar9marcar972]

MATHPC 40 probably fake then

[@starless4146]

By Back to it's Roots, they probably meant Back to Color Splash Roots?

[@spennywenny]

"Olivia might be the best Nintendo partner character" *sad tippi noises*

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

O yeah

[@thefaithtrio2106]

He said "might" tho

[@mrthetaste8587]

Nobody has surpassed Tippi. I haven't played the game yet but I don't think Olivia will be better then her. I know she's going to be a good character, but I don't think she'll be on Tippi's level.

[@AstralMuffin105]

True, don't sleep on Tippi. She was great.

[@spennywenny]

@@thefaithtrio2106 true

[@colinderue8095]

HUGE missed mark, they could have implemented a voltron mechanic. They should have made it so that you could fold up your companions into something like different weapons, all of your companions mix and matched together into different origami things for abilities and super weapons, and as you gained more friends you could then fold them all up into one large ultra buddy for a disgustingly powerful effect. AHHHHHHHohwell.

[@richardm8155]

Wow this would have fit with the oragmi theme so well too...

[@cubedkirb3545]

Technically it's in the game if you can't the fact that using the Bibliographs you can have Olivia transform into the vellumental(s)

[@CasepbX]

2:30 Holy crap that looks so good it makes me super sad knowing Nintendo will never make another Wave Race with super awesome water tech.

[@marcar9marcar972]

STRAIT FACTS

[@Frostflame]

Wait... why isn’t the water-soaked paper collapsing?

[@woddles6710]

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the water! It makes me so sad that other switch games (swsh) can’t have these quality graphics especially since they’re on the same platform.

[@IAmNotASandwich453]

Wave Race was such an amazing game, I would love to see a return

[@bushisback112]

@@Frostflame cuz it has a soul

[@Ramperdos]

It certainly looks good on paper...

[@pears8445]

Rampe On the bright side, at least the freakin sky and water aren’t paper like colour splash lol.

[@Ethan-nl2wg]

But sadly the results might be paper thin

[@ihavepissinmybrain]

The game fell flat.

[@valenfraux]

oh my god these are actually good puns, you certainly took your time on these huh?

[@BlazingDonut88]

@Rampe "Ja nyt ulos täältä!"

[@Robbie06261995]

One of the visual gripes I have with the recent Paper Mario games is the fact that they add a white border around all of the characters instead of just ending the model at its natural edge, the black border. Also jumping on a piranha plant? Oh dear.

[@UnDeAdSpRaYe]

facts when they started doing that, the games became trash

[@axc0mmt]

Jay Casillas sticker star didn’t have the white outline

[@GeoshiTheRed]

In case you weren't paying attention, Mario was using the shiny "iron" boots which those allow you to jump on spiky enemies. But I agree on the white outline.

[@Oscar-Guzman]

& they removed Mario’s voice. No idea why they did that. He hasn’t grunted since Super Paper Mario.

[@FrahdChikun]

They also removed the fluid 60 fps animations characters had and made everything like it was stop motion.

[@dannykazari]

The more I learned about this game the less excited I got for it.... Will probably skip. Thanks for the review. The game’s presentation looks great at least

[@IvanJC10]

X3

[@theajaxs720]

I hate to say it, but that's me too. I was ready to love this game, but it's just something I don't wanna invest in.

[@neorobin1833]

Just give it a try that Game Looks so good :D

[@lordmaul7278]

Same here. I had high hopes when we saw that weird scene with Peach and Mario in the castle, then I found out that there’s no xp, and partners are temporary. So frustrating how freaking stubborn the Paper Mario devs are with not reverting back to its RPG roots that made everyone love the game in the first place.

[@jakehayward1993]

Yeah, honestly glad I didn't pre-order the game. In fact I'll probably never get the game. It's really disappointing to be do excited to gradually losing hope it's gonna be good. :/

[@SentinelSeptim]

This is why Bug Fables was pushed a bit by Nintendo, they know we wanted a classic paper Mario, so they gave us that. I’m thankful for it though! Everyone please check that game out ($25/40hrs) it’s amazing. This game looks amazing in its own ways too.

[@mechashadow]

That’s cold.

[@ee_02..33]

@@mechashadow but true

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

I liked bug fables a lot, but it’s definitely an indie game, as it’s aesthetic doesn’t have as strong of a presence as a game like Hollow Knight. It does well in so many areas, but the art can look a bit messy at times, so it falls just short of that seemingly triple A polish. Whereas HK could easily be mistaken for a triple A game if not for its affordable price point; with an art style that is crisp and cohesive throughout the entire experience.

[@skirdus367]

@@sethfeldpausch4337 I find the simplistic art style pretty endearing honestly. If I cared about beautiful graphics that much, well... I'd just play actual Paper Mario

[@bradleymeyer9069]

I really wish the main story was longer with just one more "world" to explore. Awesome game though, highly recommend to anyone who wants to play classic paper mario

[@rareboy3908]

The battle system is what’s really steering me away from purchasing this game. I’m not a big fan of puzzles and I like quick in your face combat with my RPGs. The battle system does not provide that for me here. I like the level up mechanic where you grind for quite some time only to discover you’re under leveled and have to really fight hard to win. Investing in specific stats makes games more replayable but this game seems like a one and done deal and it’s sadly because of the battle system. I absolutely adore the paper Mario series but for aspect they get right they get another one horribly wrong lately.

[@userPeterSteves]

what's sad is that people preordered the game before the battle system came out

[@neorobin1833]

@@userPeterSteves i preordered this Game 3 days ago :D and i want it so much :D

[@owogamez]

I wish they just stuck with the battle card mechanic from colour splash

[@MarMar5654]

I could get use to it, it's something new, and just the plain battle system of most rpgs can get a bit boring, so I'd still give it a try.

[@dutchmvp26]

@@MarMar5654 I would too, it looks fun to me ;D

[@someoneunknown6553]

TTYD wasn't interconnected. You used pipes to get everywhere. You were confined to where you were and couldn't walk anywhere.

[@saithvenomdrone]

I would argue that TTYD comes closer to the term interconnected than not. There is no overworld with level/zone selects. If you want to get from one zone to the next, you must walk to that zone’s entrance, be it a pipe, cheep cheep blimp, or a train. That makes it feel interconnected, even if it’s not seem less transitions between locations.

[@enderallygolem]

As non-interconneted as SPM's world doors and SS/CS's world map, with the exception that the "entrances" are scattered everywhere making moving around a slog

[@popokitty09]

These games are no longer "Paper Mario" lets call them what they are, Mario Arts and Crafts.

[@markusbenedict7651]

Right? I'm not wild about battling school supplies.

[@ArcCaravan]

Or they are Paper Mario and the others are something else.

[@grimsonforce7504]

@Goose Don't forget hole puncher, stapler, and scissors.

[@Theeinsom]

Arc Caravan Lol you like sounding this stupid? Sure you do you kid

[@joshuapierce7989]

I think it’s better to call the first 3 Paper Mario games “Mario’s Story” (the Japanese title, and it fits the theme that those first 3 games have amazing characters, stories, and didn’t focus too much on the paper aesthetic), whereas the new stuff is “Paper Mario” (much heavier emphasis on arts and crafts, not as much emphasis on the strong, RPG and story-telling elements of the first 3)

[@Master0fHyrule]

The battle system makes me want to pass on this game but I'm going to buy it anyways.

[@ihavepissinmybrain]

You should buy it used then, just so you’re not supporting a game you don’t want to see more of.

[@thefaithtrio2106]

Will you make a content outta this?

[@MintyMit]

ChromeVault or if you don’t want more games like it then don’t buy the game

[@ihavepissinmybrain]

Minty Mit Both options lead to the same result: not giving the publishers money.

[@philatio1744]

ChromeVault idk, let’s just let op spend their money however they like(?

[@nateevans8773]

"the answer is surprisingly complicated" Man....I miss Ceave Gaming...... 😭

[@EliasSchnetzer]

What happened to him?

[@laggalot1012]

@@EliasSchnetzer Dead channel, I guess. Last upload was about four months ago. I guess the Mario Maker hype wore off or something. *edit* Or personal circumstances, of course.

[@nateevans8773]

@@EliasSchnetzer Ceave stated a couple months ago that he was working on solving Real Life Puzzles. I hope he's ok. 😭

[@marcar9marcar972]

Nate Evans is that a literal thing (I realize it makes little sense to be a literal thing but there are people out there who would do that)? I’m assuming that’s metaphor. I hope he’s fine.

[@CrossfacePanda]

Marcar9 Marcar9 Sounds like another way of saying “I have IRL stuff to deal with right now, so I can’t make videos my priority at the moment”. Hopefully it’s nothing serious, like health or financial troubles for him or anybody else in his life. Could be something as simple as school or work taking up too much time to work on videos.

[@ultrazappy7815]

The ads I am getting make no sense. "A hilarious new adventure is unfolding!" Then why is it that immediately after that statement we cut to a Princess Peach involved in a cult?

[@adlaistevenson2623]

People being indoctrinated into cults IS hilarious. When it's not in real life, i mean.

[@jackgarcia5926]

@@adlaistevenson2623 see: Earthbound

[@Pmf95k]

Love your pfp. Rocket slime :)

[@CROBobo]

2:32 I really hope this is Nintendo's way of testing the water for the next Wave Race!!! :O

[@marcar9marcar972]

CROBobo you’re not the only person who thinks that

[@PaperBanjo64]

I want a new HD Wave Race so bad, and F Zero.

[@off-the-grounder568]

What is Wave Race?

[@amso7169]

Alex Barnes It’s a Nintendo racing game. Hasn’t had a game in a long time.

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

dey will problee sorta do dat

[@yazissleepy]

Game:releases for one second Profasia Gaming:all bosses no damage

[@marcar9marcar972]

Imbored Inthehouse yes

[@SweaterSwagg]

Y'all better leave my man alone lmao! 😂😂😂

[@Effkin176]

With all of the cool.looking bosses and bowser in the middle of the thumbnail

[@NapaCat]

There are more options between 'Returns to the original formula' and 'Disastrous'.

[@marcar9marcar972]

Mai Sage I feel ya.

[@safehouse432]

Am i the only one who thinks that the lastest 3 entries would had worked better as 3d puzzle platformer?

[@fissilewhistle]

Case in point: Super Paper Mario.

[@ctpp64]

@@safehouse432 eh i dont think so, even in those games the battles were a pretty big part of the games.

[@Warsaw5]

Me after watching the review: *Looks at the paper Mario fandom* we’re doomed

[@googamp32]

@@السراقالمجهول Yeah, like Nintendo lawyers would EVER let that happen!

[@prismaticseal2553]

googamp32 They cant sue me if I am not American, ill see them try to deny the place they abandoned, south america

[@marcar9marcar972]

Tod with that attitude it is. Don’t you think there’s enough room in the fandom for people with different opinions?

[@garfieldsupporter7317]

"WAHHHH its not TTYD!!! Im so angry!!!" Thats would you sound like.

[@Warsaw5]

Marcar9 Marcar9 According to thousand year door fans no

[@nimboss]

Paper Mario 64: Story is presented in a paper aesthetic because the arstyle of the game is that of a storybook. Paper Mario after TTYD: "Dude we are made of paper!! Isn't it funny and wacky when I say it out loud?? Wouldn't it even funnier if paper-related hijinx happened to us?? Did I mention we are made or paper today?????"

[@TheXtremeBoltGuy]

*after SUPER Paper Mario

[@nimboss]

@@TheXtremeBoltGuy TTYD started it, but it had a good, plot-related reason to do it. After it, things just got silly.

[@Shinius]

Yeah, TTYD was like a 3/10 on the "how much did they emphasize paper" but like every game after Super has been like a 9/10 on "how much did they emphasize paper". Feel like I'm constantly being gaslit when people say "iTs aLWaYs hAd a pApeR aEstHeTiC"

[@dynos1999]

Shinius ttyd had more paper emphasis than super did. Y’all are whack

[@lordroy88]

What the hell are you insulting Super

[@latcen9583]

If almost everyone considers TTYD the best paper mario game, why nintendo moves away from that gameplay?

[@TominoCabana]

@Latcen 9 I think Nintendo is probably trying to troll us all and make fans angry.

[@oneofnone7947]

Sort answers it was on game cube and they didn't give it a chance

[@jonathantruong7069]

This comment is the definition of mental gymnastics.

[@omegachavez]

Because, in terms of uniqueness, Super Paper Mario went too far and Nintendo decided to make everything super uniform from then on.

[@FirebladeXXL]

because apparently nintendo doesnt want fans to get what they want as much as they want to have their own agenda. which apprently is: they dont want paper mario to be an rpg with unique personality. they either want to at some point carry on with the mario&luigi series or do a whole other mario rpg series. they dont want paper mario to be an rpg competitor but to be its own thing. and i think it blows.

[@laggalot1012]

It doesn't feel like they've learned much from the previous games. I get the impression that they are obstinately insisting on doing their own thing for the sake of it, in defiance of most of the feedback. Granted, not every idea on display here is bad and I do respect them wanting to be inventive and doing something new, but the execution has been missing the mark and this doesn't look much better.

[@MrSentinel07]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Mojo1356]

Given that their original reasoning was because Mario and Luigi was a thing, there’s not really any excuse any longer since Alphadream went bankrupt.

[@starless4146]

*sighs* Can you imagine if the developers went BACK to how good Paper Mario 1 and Paper Mario 2 was? You'd make more people happy then anything...which would mean a lot more sales.

[@MrSentinel07]

@@starless4146 At this point, I'd settle for just a remake of those games. That would be better than this.

[@Gotenhanku]

@@MrSentinel07 Heck I'd settle for even just a rerelease of 64 and TTYD so I can have an easier time getting to play them instead of having to dust off my old hardware.

[@kiddkd7242]

0:07 is that a West Side Story reference in a Nintendo game. Neat.

[@Storm725]

Yeeeeeeesss

[@MissAshley42]

Oh, it gets better. ;)

[@loganbratland4207]

Come on Nintendo. A new Wave Race would look so good with that water! While you're at it, make a new 1080 too

[@LoomDoom]

Thank you Andre for the balanced review. Seems like it’s mainly a mixed bag. I definitely will be skipping out on it. The game is still missing a lot of things I originally loved Paper Mario for. I lost interest in both Sticker Star and Color Splash halfway through and I don’t want to do that again. I really hope the first three games get released in a collection some day.

[@Gotenhanku]

@Pen Bashiro, MD Still closer than SS and CS and potentially OK

[@LoomDoom]

Pen Bashiro, MD Imo, it still maintained the heart of a Paper Mario game with its characters, story (best in the series), and world. It still had a ton of RPG elements, it was an action RPG platformer after all. While I liked the turn based combat more, the gameplay in that game was far better than sticker star and color splash. I actually thought the action gameplay was pretty fun in general and it allowed for some interesting mechanics like the space level.

[@countD8852]

It sounds like this is another case of, "good writing, bad gameplay" or at least gameplay with diminishing returns. Sounds like Paper Jam is still the best modern Paper Mario game...although Paper Mario isn't the focal point.

[@thefaithtrio2106]

You got that right. Seriously coins and confetti is EVERYWHERE in the overworld. It gives me a headache

[@starless4146]

I like playing Paper Jam though >_>;

[@grimsonforce7504]

That's exactly what is. Honestly if they fixed the combat system and fleshed out the characters this game would be solid.

[@jude4581]

I’m probably gonna wait for Arlo’s review to see if I should buy the game. He has a certain passion for Paper Mario I don’t see in other reviewers.

[@captainyasopp154]

For real bruh same here i wanna hear his opinion he low key my favorite game reviewer and all that

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

He is way to blinded by nostalgia though

[@jamescm38]

He isn’t afraid to kiss Nintendo’s ass and straight up say if something sucks.

[@mrfox5117]

@@alejandropradalozano6525 Nope, last time I checked he even re-reviewed color splash to make sure it didn't have any nostalgia bias. Not to mention he even gave Swsh a critical review despite all the other reviews at the time giving it a fair score for it just being pokemon (as in praising the fact the game is just a worse version of what came before with slightly better 3ds models and terrible animation. *along with bad gimmicks that ruin the battles as a whole*)

[@kazoorion7993]

@@alejandropradalozano6525 Did you... even see his Color Splash review?

[@flormasibay2546]

The more and more I learn about the game the less excited I get. I probably will not purchase this game. Cmon Nintendo you knew what Paper Mario fans wanted but you just didn't listen.

[@coreyr8944]

😡😡😡

[@jeremyknight9980]

It's not that they won't listen, it's just that they aren't interested in returning to the first 2 games. If you people wanna spend another 4 or 5 years begging them to make another game like the older ones go right ahead and waste your time. I've accepted that Paper Mario is never going back to what it used to be, and considering that I ended up liking Super, Color Splash and I'll probably like this game I'm fine with it.

[@guyfierimtwi]

@@jeremyknight9980 PARTNERS

[@jeremyknight9980]

@@guyfierimtwi Not sure what you mean but... we got such a turn around.

[@ExplodingTrujillo]

I’m glad at least not everyone of Nintendo’s dev teams have the attitude of what Paper Mario’s team does. Luigi’s Mansion 3 and Odyssey are pretty good games and they took a lot of what fans criticized in the previous games and improved upon them. Of course they aren’t perfect but they’re a really fun experience all the way through!

[@jjc4924]

Agreed.

[@GamingPerson-yu4ye]

See you all in four more years for when the fanbase begin legitimately murdering each other over Paper Mario, taking the war to a new level.

[@dobby6473]

See you then soldier

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Eh,pretty sure pokemon or sonic fans will be there by now.

[@Gintoki_Freecss]

@@ahmadkazan7994 The Smash fans as well.

[@jobobbob5825]

Wont be much of a war since mentally deficient babies can't fight much.

[@kazoorion7993]

@@jobobbob5825 Well, calling them like that doesn't make you a better person honestly.

[@BlackRaveBow]

I feel like Miyamoto slaps anyone in the development room if they even mention Thousand Year Door. "Sir, the fans want TYD's system" Miyamoto: "WE ARE NOT DOING THAT!!" "But sir, it's the most loved and successful" Miyamoto: *Slaps*

[@WizPigTactics]

Miyamoto: "WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!"

[@naufanabd]

It's not Miyaoto, it's Kensuke Tanabe who direct this game

[@ihavepissinmybrain]

Naufan Abdurrohim But it was Miyamoto who suggested a lot of the ideas that spiraled Paper Mario downhill.

[@younggamer7218]

Actually Intelligent systems(the people making the paper mario games) experimented by themselves to make the origami king how it is so it does not matter

[@marcar9marcar972]

Honestly I don’t think they want to make a traditional RPG

[@VagrantVideos]

The fact that when he is in the jungle and most footage he is AVOIDING battles says a lot, no thank you Nintendo not buying this one. I’ll buy Bug Fables instead.

[@colinderue8095]

SAMESIES. ive played chap one of bug fables and i can already tell its gonna be sick.

[@VagrantVideos]

InfamousRonin it doesn’t i was just citing one of the clips he shows in the video. It shows an enemy appear and he actively tries to avoid battle with it.

[@tfrog9976]

To be far I avoided battles all the time in TTYD.

[@TwilightYonder720]

at least I wasn't the only one to notice that Ninji clip lol

[@VagrantVideos]

T-Frog really? I thought battles in TTYD were immensely fun with the badge system and the different unique builds you could have for Mario. Not to mention with an actual progression system in TTYD there is a reason to battle.

[@Retsila01]

Thanks for the early review. The battle system looked interesting initially but if it's unrewarding and tedious to the point you avoid the battles I get the impression this is more sticker star than TTYD. Cancelled my preorder and ordered Ghosts of Tsushima instead. Very different type of game but it looks pretty awesome.

[@googamp32]

Good for you! I knew this game was going to be crap the moment it was announced!

[@brycearmstrong9370]

Arlo recommends Bug Fables on Switch if you're looking to scratch your TTYD itch. Essentially a spiritual successor to TTYD mechanically and stylistically speaking.

[@miguelito6031]

This review baffles me... I’ve been playing this game for 4 days and I can confidently say that up to where I am right now, Origami King is miles ahead of color splash. If you are a TYD fan, you’ll like this one much more for a number of reasons... combat is more interesting and rewarding (even if Andre thinks otherwise), the map is super interesting and characters are much more memorable. And about the jokes, I’ve been playing it in Spanish and so far, it seems also better than Color Splash. I’d say that my list goes like this. 1. Thousand Year Door. 2. Super Paper Mario. 3. 64 and Origami King. 4. By a bigger margin Color Slpash. And sticker star is just trash

[@JasLamArr91]

I swear, Nintendo knows how to design water in their games! It really does look real!

[@mtgstudios1556]

yeah it does, just wish they would focus on the bigger systems it relies on first.

[@SixString_J5]

Personally, I saw the battle system and died inside. The game looks like an annoying grind. The day of the treehouse event, I cancelled my preorder.

[@BrokenG-String]

Get Bug Fables instead. I think I'll be doing that too to satisfy my Paper Mario itch

[@stylesnivy1839]

There’s always next time ! Unless they stop making paper mario

[@radicallaruby]

@@stylesnivy1839 that's what I keep saying about Sonic for 15 years. Depressing that I'm playing certain fan games these days to even scratch that itch. The fan game scenario is something Nintendo would never let happen, so screw it. At least we got Bug Fables. Overall though, I'd rather have a good copycat made by passionate fans/indies than watch the creators constantly butcher their own IPs. Just goes to show you that nowadays, SOME fans out there understand the series and fanbases that inspired them.

[@LittleChunky]

@@BrokenG-String I just bought Bug Fables yesterday and it's awesome. $25 for a clone of the original Paper Mario games

[@stylesnivy1839]

RadicalLaRuby I purchased bug fables as well.

[@OggyisCool]

This franchise has basically become Pokemon with every new entry being, "Oh well maybe next time we'll get the game we want" super disappointed but I expected this to be a let down with those battle mechanics.

[@christopherwallace7903]

You know, what I hate is that people are complaining about Pokémon and Paper Mario for the exact opposite reasons. One tries to use the formula that everyone knows and loves only to get backlash for it while the other tries to expand upon the gameplay by experimenting with new formulas and mechanics only to get backlash for it. What the hell do you people want?! Why do you have to complain about everything?!

[@solidillusion8008]

Wth?? Pokemon didnt get backlash for the formula , it got backlash cuz of how lazy and half assed the game was, it came with so little content an a half assed story with super linear routes with pretty much almost nothing to explore , an then they also cut pokemon to improve graphics but they lied an didnt improve anything

[@christopherwallace7903]

I do not think that I understand. I get that the game feels generic in many aspects but it feels like a Pokémon game and has been doing things like it has. If you don’t want it to feel like other Pokémon games, then how do you want a Pokémon game? I can kind of understand what people want from a Paper Mario game (even if I disagree with many of their points), but what do people want from a Pokémon game. Developers are not machines that we can control and manipulate. They are people just like you and me, and they are free to do what they want.

[@kazoorion7993]

@@christopherwallace7903 You really need to do some research before reaching conclutions.

[@djdrizzy9139]

@@christopherwallace7903 We want true sequels to the ogs. Sequels are supposed to IMPROVE the existing formula and introduce new ideas. Not erase everything and change it just for the sake of it!

[@theHeroicGoomba]

My wife is playing through Paper Mario:TYD for the first time and I showed her the trailer for the Origami King. Afterwards she turned to me and said, “That looks cool but the Paper Mario we’re playing right now seems better.” I’m like, “Oh good, it’s not just me!”

[@BassForever]

Sounds like a pass, if Andre "color splash was actually good" had to work his way up to a like from mixed, I'll probably hate this game. Hope people who are excited enjoy it and I will enjoy watching a lets play for the humor. Maybe when it gets cheaper I'll try just for the bosses which do seem fun

[@darius8077]

Did you enjoy super at all?

[@BassForever]

Darius I enjoyed Super's story, characters, and writing, but found the gameplay got really boring by the ending. It didn't help that combat was unbalanced bowser + carrie broke the game. It was a solid 7/10 game that I would be stuck between a mixed or a liked on the GX scale.

[@coreyjones9769]

Are you going to watch a KZbin play through

[@BassForever]

Corey Jones almost assuredly whenever chuggaconroy gets around to doing a lets play of it

[@starless4146]

@@coreyjones9769 I am 100% gonna watch the game play on you tube... not now though. Save money and get the Same Experience. Win Win for me.

[@visionflix2202]

I got to say, this is my first paper Mario and I’m loving it. Being a Pokémon fan I couldn’t care less about a turn based battle system. I would highly recommend it to any new switch owner

[@SUPERPIXELPLANET]

I unfortunately think I’m cancelling my preorder :/ basically all of the videos leading up to release made me think I probably wasn’t going to like this game, but I was holding out hope for the reviews. Now with the reviews here, they seem to confirm that this game isn’t for me :/

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

Game has an 80 on metacritic dude, the reviews are good

[@SUPERPIXELPLANET]

Alejandro Prada Lozano It’s not that the reviews are bad, and honestly, if this game ever goes on sale, I still might pick it up someday. It’s just that the qualities I hoped this game would have (meaningful combat, more complex story), don’t really seem to be there :/ not to mention that reviews like Gamexplain’s don’t even get counted on Metacritic, so it’s a little difficult to look at a meta score and just be like “this game is/is not for me,”

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

Gamexplain: Its no masterpiece but its good! Liked :) Metacritic: Its actually pretty good, better than Color Splash! 81/100 Gamers on youtube: So the game is terrible? Preoder cancelled, Paper Mario has died, Nintendo why? Gaming comunity, always very rational.

[@SlickMarioBrothers]

People don’t want a mediocre game. And the fact that it’s better than Color Splash should be a no brainer as that game wasn’t very good at all. People have a right to not like this game, and voice their thoughts.

[@solidillusion8008]

It being better than color splash means nothing:/ it is still most likely the 4th best, I feel confident it will not top the first 3 , especially with its meh gameplay an lack of original characters and stuff

[@marcar9marcar972]

Alejandro Prada Lozano yeah a lot of times professional opinions differ from the hard core internet opinions. I think most people probably sit somewhere between the two extremes. You saw the same thing with the FF7 remake. Professionals loved it, hardcore internet loathed it and the general public liked it. I know my taste usually fits a lot more with that of the professionals though.

[@alejandropradalozano6525]

@@SlickMarioBrothers 81 on metacritic with high reviews from places like gamespot or destructoid is not just mediocre, it means is probably pretty good.

[@kazoorion7993]

@@alejandropradalozano6525 Well, AAA games doesn't really tend to get below 80 nor other places like Gamespot wouldn't even bother making it an average review.

[@dmansuperich2800]

I feel like they really tried to get the masses to like this one. Now I liked Super so I don't know if I'll like this game but I will give it a fair chance if I do buy it.

[@zigazav1]

At least Super had more creative designs for NPCs instead of Copy and Pasting them and had an XP system. You need an XP system to show some signs of strength progression. Even Breath of the Wild had some sort of XP system, though it was hidden from the player. It's XP system determined how easy it is to get better weapons and equipment from chests. Paper Mario completely abolished the XP system since Sticker Star... Screw this, I'm buying a different game when I can.

[@Ash_Yu]

The masses won't ever be happy because its been too long. Nothing can ever live up to a nostalgic view of "perfection". Its the same reason why Valve gave up making Half Life 3.

[@someonerandom704]

To be honest, I'd love this game if it had a more compelling story. I like the puzzle aspects and think that they are inherently good shifts from the original formula. The issue for me is that the story seems like the typical "Fight the baddie, save the princess." I'm obviously a big fan of Super, but I didn't even like the gameplay of it that much. Thousand Year Door had a good story paired with good gameplay--exactly what I want.

[@ArynBacklogDragon]

Super at least didnt pretend to be like the first 2. It was it's own thing wotha unique look and gameplay. After that all we've gotten was stripped down shells of the first 2 style with gimmicks tacked on top.

[@someonerandom704]

@@ArynBacklogDragon To be fair, OK seems to at least be trying to be its own thing and not just a shell of the first two. However, it's clearly nowhere near as radically new and unique as Super. It is definitely trying to pull off what TTYD did without being a carbon copy. I just wish its story wasn't just a toned down TTYD...

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

"Was it able to surprise and delight me as with Color Splash, or is it another Sticker Star-calibre disappointment?" Fans of the original two Paper Mario games: *visible confusion*

[@SuperNatendo]

Thousand-Year Door is my second favorite game of all time and I’m genuinely excited for this game. Fight me.

[@thefaithtrio2106]

Hmm if TTYD is your 2nd favorite game I kinda worried if you actually want the game because it's still have some flaws from the last two games. You still sure?

[@Dracomut]

Why would we fight someone who has more sense than 90% of the fanbase?

[@wesleyc5713]

My favorite paper mario game is súper paper mario🙃

[@younggamer7218]

Hell Yeah

[@thefaithtrio2106]

@TheShyerGuy I like them too. It's a good game. Not terrible but not impressive (I stole that line from another game. Can you guess it? Hint:INMATE!). To me, I think TOK have the best story (remember. "To me")

[@Felodontis]

I have to admit, I'm really getting more interested in this game the more I see of it. It is a shame it's not a true RPG, it's a genre I'm really into atm and I just wasn't interested in Paper Mario back when the old games were easier to get. But I also love puzzle games, and the ring puzzle battle style has got me intrigued. Also, the artstyle looks gorgeous, I love how everything looks made out paper and seeing 2D characters in a 3D background has really grown on me since playing Octopath Traveler.

[@thefaithtrio2106]

Yeah. It still have some flaws to it from the last 2 game. But it's still looks good. I am too love solving the ring puzzle. If only they make the coins balance here

[@googamp32]

It's going to SUCK! You'll just be wasting your money.

[@thefaithtrio2106]

@@googamp32 it's their decision. Not yours. Let them enjoyed the game

[@jmann531]

@@googamp32 let him see if he likes it or not dude

[@matthewA118]

googamp32 wow, I too enjoy getting upset at other people harmless opinions on a game that’s not even out yet. Seriously do you have anything better to do? If you don’t think you’ll like the game, don’t buy it, it’s pretty simple bud. Don’t try to get others to avoid a game that they want to play

[@pvbferreira]

11:43 Hey! It is Moltres!

[@ivanzoneBR24]

Fire Boss- Moltres Ice Boss-Beartic

[@TheBootanuki97]

Eh, I’ll pass. The problems introduced with Sticker Star have not been solved again. Can’t believe Nintendo has been literally trying to polish a turd for almost ten years.

[@prismaticseal2553]

They literally ignore fan complaints and rub salt into the wound, who thought this “Npc not partner thing” was ok?, its as if we took 2D mario and suddenly made it a puzzle game that uses those graphics and then add 1 to 2 floating blocks to solve the issue fans have

[@yoshe4223]

my biggest issue is there's no reason to battle. hell if i would compare this game to bugs fable, it blows paper mario out of the water. just by having exp progression with badges system would help this game so much more.

[@marcar9marcar972]

I wouldn’t go so far as you two have. While personally I prefer the more traditional stuff I didn’t think sticker star or the other ones were all that bad. Calling it a turd or rubbing salt into to people’s wounds seems a bit far.

[@manguy01]

This game feels like a personal attack against people who have been clamoring for a classic Paper Mario game.

[@Stickat2]

I love how the first thing andre does is crap all over sticker star lmaoo

[@starless4146]

I never played Sticker Star...but I just keep hearing how BAD it is.......... Yikes...

[@tipnsunny2107]

@@starless4146 I highly recommend Gamexplain's review of it. It's not a horrendously, awful game, but certainly has obnoxious things about it. My main gripe with Sticker Star is how annoying it can be when you don't know where to go next and how much pointless running around you can end up doing.

[@KARLOSPCgame]

@@starless4146 watch the last stream of sticker star gameplay from gamexplain, its hell

[@hammylove821]

@@starless4146 Sticker star is really not that bad. It honestly seems like a much better game than Origami King. Out of the modern trilogy, Sticker Star has the best gameplay, but the worst presentation (to others. I much prefer a straightforward game than empty open worlds. Color Splash's battle mechanics were always either too drawn out or too stupidly easy.) I finished Sticker Star. I put down Color Splash around 40% through. The 3D made everything truly beautiful. Origami King makes Color Splash look like the original two games. A lot of people just like to bandwagon hate against Sticker Star because it's the popular thing to do. It's the first one to change things drastically in a way that wasn't received well by fans generally. Now if a Paper Mario is garbage, it's nothing surprising. Even to be expected.

[@fazzitron]

Ok, this has convinced me to save my money. For me, even good endings are ruined by a bad startup.

[@mechashadow]

The true moment this intro was made for is finally here!

[@ob1slam]

Unfortunately it looks like a another Paper Mario game I'll have to pass on.

[@bellajuarez8725]

I did not want to thumbs up but i did 😥

[@SeriousPeopleStudios]

Dang. I had hope. It honestly looked like they learned from their mistakes. The trailer looked fantastic. I didn't need a grim-dark Thousand Year Door Storyline, or the same cookie-cutter turn based RPG combat system. I just need it to be FUN. And this doesn't look like it. Such a drag.

[@jakedoh8294]

Having to do those "puzzles" before the combat seems extremely tedious and tiresome. I went from super hyped to totally uninterested. Sigh.

[@djdrizzy9139]

Yeah man, I just want to fight! Let me strategize how to fight enemies, not solve annoying puzzles.

[@paulp.6299]

DJ Drizzy But you ARE strategizing how to fight them. Reviewer said you can choose to solve the puzzle, buy more time or buy audience help. Or just dish damage which means blocking more and taking more hits.

[@jackgarcia5926]

@@paulp.6299 you get nothing for fighting tough, which just makes it feel like a waste of time. It's the exact same problem as sticker Star and color splash _how_ they still don't get it is beyond me.

[@djdrizzy9139]

@@paulp.6299 That sounds very limited to me. Now compare that to badges and FP. There are so many combinations and moves I could choose to win the fight; there isn't just one right answer.

[@Novastitous]

I personally like the new game a lot, the problem with making a new TTYD is that Nintendo is a different company than it was way back when. They’ve strayed too far from what Paper Mario used to be, it makes little sense to go back now. People keep saying they messed up again, does it not occur to people that this game isn’t bad just because it’s not what they want? I grew up with and completely enjoyed TYYD but I still enjoy and consider this a Paper Mario game. At the end of the day, Nintendo is a company that makes games easy and accessible for everyone, especially kids, and I’m not sure how well another TTYD would land with modern day kids.

[@yurijuri29]

Untill a Paper Mario like Thousand Year Door release I'll pass every "paper mario" game... I want partners, I want XP, I Want Badges, I want a real Paper Mario...

[@thefaithtrio2106]

If they didn't bring the exp back, what I think is at least make the coins balance. They're EVERYWHERE in the overworld. And that stupid bags of 1000 coins... It pissed me off.

[@koekoeksklok5214]

Stop demanding and complaining about the things that are not there or the things you don't like. Instead give it AT LEAST a chance to look at other things that might look fun to you. There is absolutely no way that the things you listed are the only ones that make the game fun. Just try to have an open perspective for some creations that people put lots of work into.

[@MarioYoshi4723]

“jUst pLay bUg fAbLes”

[@mredbadger]

@@koekoeksklok5214 Reviews literally exist so you can make up your mind on if you wanna try something mate. They watched the review and were like "nah, I'll hold off till they make one I like the look of"

[@starless4146]

I don't think they'll ever go back. I most certainly won't support a game that flew off in a direction nobody asked for.

[@SamRegan610]

I actually found the Vellumental bosses to be really fun, the difficulty made them very rewarding, and you fight them with the knowledge that you'll gain their power after you beat them. I do agree that the Legion of Stationery battles were more fun though

[@mickkelley3776]

Actually, I'm one of the 17 people on Earth who liked Sticker Star (though to be fair I only checked it out from the library and had to return it not too long after I reached world 2). Feel free to burn me at the stake now.

[@VonFirflirch]

To be honest, as a huge fan of the first two games, I think they were fun times to be had with that one. It has probelms, but I think it is over-hated. ... Juuuust don't call it Paper Mario 4, though. Then, I will scream. ;)

[@marcar9marcar972]

Mick Kelley hi number 15 here. I liked it. I really have nothing else to say. It had its problems but I still liked it.

[@wiiuandmii7619]

I enjoyed color splash, but I think that one was better received thank SS anyway.

[@Nintendrone42]

Liking Star Star based on just World 1 and part of World 2 is perfectly understandable, since the level design isn't yet a problem that puts Sticker Star's issues of pointless battles, excessive backtracking, and overly restrictive boss fights on full display. The end of World 2 has its atrocious boss, then World 3 is where the quality of everything falls off a cliff that the later worlds only slightly climb out of.

[@IvanJC10]

After having played PM64 and TTYD, I bought Sticker Star without watching any trailer. I just trusted the brand. It was hard to me to understand the game. Then I lend it to my sister (who also played PM64) and instead she loved the game. RPG games tend to have solid fan bases due to the deep stories, characters and gameplay; so when they change it a little bit, a whole earthquake occurs. Casual players on the contrary don't worry a lot and like the games. I think Nintendo can make games that fulfill both fan and casual players expectations, just like BotW or SSBU.

[@NichoBlockheadImagination]

This video is beautifully filled with Andre puns.

[@OfficialCompleter]

I’m convinced Andre isn’t a true paper Mario fan because this game is MILESSSSS better than color splash. Color splash you went the whole game knowing there wasn’t gonna be shit to entertain you a long the way, almost just like a 2d Mario. I’m on world 3 in Origami King and I already like it way better than the entirety of color splash. Give this game a chance cause it is fun as hell.

[@Quinhala11]

This game looks shallow, there's nothing going for it outside of great visuals and being funny.

[@josephhayes1727]

That's more than a lot of games..

[@ryan_uwu]

I'm only at the blue streamer section but honestly it's been incredibly fun so far. Battling randos never felt tedious since you can mostly one round them. And the bosses so far have actually been really interesting. I'm liking the draw a path around the boss a lot surprisingly.

[@Jaguar_Delta]

@@josephhayes1727 And we don't buy those either

[@michaelandrejco3612]

the gameplay is definitely the best part but yeah other than that it's only got really good visuals and good humor. The combat sucks.

[@daffodyl_n]

This game more than anything just makes me wanna play Thousand Year Door

[@sinteleon]

If you want the classic style, play bug fable.

[@chronocrasher]

Although I would like the return of the more classic RPG style gameplay in the series I have to give the devs credit for trying to innovate new gameplay experiences. This puzzle mechanic might not end up being my favourite but I will give it a shot.

[@Some_Random_Guy]

I was on the fence about this one but after reading other reviews I think this is a solid skip from me. hopefully they get around to making a good Mario RPG eventually. I don't even care if it's a Paper Mario at this point, as long as the combat feels similar to what I got from Legend of the Seven Stars or the original Paper Mario I'll be happy (was not a fan of Mario & Luigi so I skipped out of most of those)

[@erugurara8235]

What feel wrong ln Mario and Luigi?

[@puyoinator]

i dont think this is meant to be an rpg its meant to be action adventure...

[@jeremyknight9980]

Mario and Luigi is the closest you're going to get to a Mario rpg. Intelligent Systems is simply not interested in going back to the first 2 games.

[@grimsonforce7504]

BIS is pretty good though.

[@rovertronic]

You can buy HP upgrades with coins. But I already have 20,000 coins so... uhh yeah, avoiding battles. There are a lot of forced battles. Also, this is less action adventure and more Puzzle solving.

[@crimsonblob]

Ok, so this one might a long banter, but please, hear me out: I think some games should be valued by themselves and not only by how they compare to the saga they belong. Sure, it has a Paper Mario name on it, but what is considered a true game in that saga is a value put by the gamers, not the devs. If someone has the right (or the authority) to set in stone what a Paper Mario game is it's them. For them as long it's Mario made of paper it's enough. I'm not saying we should oversimplify that idea, but we should at least acknowledge it. And then I see so many people trashing on the battle system in regards that it has no usefulness because there's no EXP system. Even if we assume it's not useful, the game allows you to avoid the battles or flee them. Also, as you progress and "become stronger" you have the chance to just jump onto the enemies or hit them with the hammer, again, giving you the choice of battling or not. Sure, you get fewer coins that way, but it's still your choice. And here's the thing: The battle system is fun BUT also useful. You get coins to purchase accessories, items, and weapons. All of them somehow compensate if the puzzle side of the battles is tough or frustrating to the player. When playing, I noticed that, for example, spinies can be defeated easily with iron boots (purchasable weapon) if you arrange them in a straight line, but if your skills with the puzzle are better trained, you can arrange them in a 2x2 area, then being able to smash them with the hammer, with no need to spend on weapons. It's up to the player how to face the battles. Coins are not always abundant, especially once you can buy accessories. So the battle becomes something important to master since you get more coins if you don't get damaged and/or have a perfect or great enemy arrangement. Last but not least: Boss battles. The arrow system. The best way to put your skills to the test. At least with already two bosses in my pocket, I have to say that the battles are not precisely hard. There's no OHKO (maybe later, but I don't know yet), but the battle is quite long if you don't move the panels in the most optimal way. The game doesn't punish you severely for taking your time, but again, you get the feeling of accomplishment when being able to arrange everything nicely and hitting hard on the enemy. Sure, there're expectations to be met when it comes to a game that belongs to a saga, but we can't be so blind to its own merits to the point of trashing on it. The game looks great, has really clever writing, beautiful soundtrack and personally, I enjoy the battle system and the fact that the game gives you the freedom to have it or not.

[@tjlynch6817]

I'm scared

[@mr.whimsic6902]

what whty

[@kingbowser4542]

Don't hug me

[@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney]

@@kingbowser4542 Wait. You again?!!

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

wut hoppen

[@shawnshock8651]

King Bowser I'm scared

[@younggamer7218]

I am here with popcorn to see people not caring about others opinions.

[@yeahbabyhiyoamazingpeoples4247]

O i luvs dat itz berry tastee

[@kgddrago3752]

I'm right along with you brother lol

[@ahmadkazan7994]

Wait for me,

[@jmann531]

Allow me to join in

[@younggamer7218]

@@jmann531 yes

[@Thonck-]

I'm actually surprised they made parts of this game genuinely difficult. I'm not complaining, it just doesn't seem very Nintendo-y. Edit: Paper Mario-y

[@JeanneFeisont]

Have you seen Breath of the Wild...?

[@amso7169]

Hubert von Vestra You’re right, but most Nintendo fans don’t care about those games unfortunately so they get mad when other games don’t have difficulty.

[@Ethan-nl2wg]

Epsilon Eagle idk have you seen the sales for fire emblem and xenoblade and I know dragalia also has decent numbers quite a lot of people played those games

[@Paradox-xm9zq]

The Perfect Run

[@marcar9marcar972]

Thonck I mean the original isn’t entirely false. Nintendo games do tend to be on the easier side. Not all of them but in general

[@Logicalleaping]

I'm confused the review was very positive but your words made the game sound bad? You said the game felt dragged out at parts which were just barely made up by the pay off, that isn't good game design. You said that you found yourself mostly avoiding enemy fights were you could, that isn't good game design. I'm not sure what to say the final result is just an opinion of you saying you liked the game but from just these TWO points alone, the TWO key mechanics of the paper Mario series I have to say this is not a good game. The goal of an RPG is to have an immersive story and battles that have a pay off whether it be getting items or experience. The story seems bare bones and the game seems artificially lengthened by large locations that take a long time to travel through. The battle system is a puzzle that, in essence, once you solve one you've solved them all. There is no growth with the player seemingly present. Granted I haven't played the game and this is just what I took off the review but 'Liked' seems to be giving to much credit to a game that shouldn't have that attention. Again I understand this is an opinion based review answer but when the review pretty much says 'its better than sticker star 8/10' I feel the consumers are done dirty by the review. I wish Paper Mario was held to a better standard as a game series, hell I wish Nintendo as a company listened to fan request more earnestly. Giving a game seemingly a good review because the previous recent entries were bad and this one was mediocre is not okay. Paper Mario The Origami King should be reviewed properly with all Mario RPG's in mind. How did it compare to Paper Mario and TTYD? How did it compare to the Mario & Luigi games? How did it compare to Sticker Star and Colour splash? This reviews comparisons are lack luster and don't tell the full story. The description states "...including comparisons to Thousand Year Door and Color Splash!" when all you say is Thousand door has better pacing and Colour splash has better dialogue. Tell me more! WHY?! What about the combat doesn't feel as good as TTYD? Why is this a good or bad thing? Look I wasn't going to get the game any way but reviews that leave a positive statement to a game that is only average at best cause more people to buy the game thus Nintendo think paper mario is taking the right direction. It isn't and it hasn't been for a long time. Thanks to anyone who read what turned out to be a rant :D

[@jrenderos4]

these game explain reviews are always mediocre at best. They are only useful as a benchmark for low standards.

[@wobblewokgaming655]

Hey, sometimes we need to rant.

[@seqka711]

“I go on message boards and complain about games I’ve never played!” -Yes

[@marcar9marcar972]

James Palmer we’ll probably the reason they were so hard is because they wanted the game to be TTYD but expected the game to be TTYD isn’t really a valid criticism so they let their bias cloud the review a bit.

[@txenog]

"GOD ITS SO GOOD!" *gets stuck in a rock twice in a row* LMAO

[@mysticalknightofjack]

How far the mighty have fallen.

[@fleggle]

Its nice to see Nintendo taking risks with a franchise for a change - sure might not be to everyone's taste, but I think at the rate they're going there will be a paper mario for everyone - with the heavier focus on puzzles definitely more of the dungeon crawling element. And levelling systems are fine, but often results in arbitrary difficulty especially when you can just overlevel your way out of a situation - that said currently replaying TTYD and its delightful, that train level is great

[@Meeba]

*Spoiler Free* Just finished the game, and it definitely isn't as good as TTYD. But that really doesn't mean it wasn't a fantastic experience. I actually had a blast playing and if fighting enemies ever got too annoying, you could quite literally just skip over them if you did not feel like fighting. The boss fights were loads better by far than just normal fights, which isn't really good on Nintendo's side because there are like 10 (ish) boss fights compared to the (what feels like 1000) normal fights. The scenery in this game is just a visual treat, it looks so tasteful and colorful so I really was "wow'd" by what they did. Seriously. It's a really pretty game. I was a bit bummed out to hear you didn't like the Vellumental fights, as I thought the temples were really fun and the boss fight with the Vellumentals at the end were really fun. Just thought that it was super surprising to hear that some of these boss fights, which took me 5 to 10 minutes to beat, took over an hour for Andre? (13:47 for reference.) The dialogue wasn't as colorful as color splash (ha ha) but that wasn't a problem because I was sick of forced "meta 4th wall breaking" jokes anyways, like the age rating joke in that game. Like seriously, it's not funny at all. *TL:DR* To wrap up my unneedishly long KZbin comment game summary, the visuals are _sooooo_ pretty, the boss fights were really fun and didn't take long to beat unlike Andre (13:47), and the dialogue/story was pretty good. Not on TTYD's level, but definitely close finally. Strong 8/10.

[@cameron4225]

I just finished it last night and I thought the ending was really cool. I loved the themes for each area, and I’m curious how the humor is in the English version as I played it in Japanese

[@Meeba]

Cameron Wood I also really enjoyed each theme as well, felt like a TV show! Especially in the first area which is Whispering Woods where it wraps up with that cute song. I also just finished it yesterday.

[@EvanJack06]

Yeah, the toads, treasures and not so bottomless holes are quite annoying, but most of the time you dont even need to find them, personally, as a completionist, I found them all and got 100% in the game, and the best part was that I had a ton of fun finding them as it just gave me more to do in this amazing game, I remember completing the story and then realising that I was nowhere near completing the game as I still had a ton of treasures, toads and not so bottomless holes to find, though I will admit there were a few times where getting some of these collectibles was quite annoying, im looking at you fishing, but most of the time I had a ton of fun finding these and ill definitely have to play it again in a year or two.

[@Purpylon]

They are moving in the right direction, but very slowly. SS: Here's the future of Paper Mario! It sucks, we want story, xp, badges, unlimited attacks. CS: We heard you. Now there is story. Happy? No. What about xp? What about badges? What about unlimited attacks? OK: There. Badges. Unlimited attacks. Happy now? You forgot the xp. We want xp. Give us xp.

[@MultiAwesomebob]

Thank you so much for giving us honest details to help decide if this is worth 60$. I never played TTYD. But color splash was a total chore to play. Its charm only carried me to around world 5 when it came out. And then I tried again later and was annoyed with it immediately. This looks like that only worse.

[@villabong11]

why you think is worse if may i ask?, i mean i get why is a chore im with you with that but i see this a bit more interesting thant CS

[@MultiAwesomebob]

The problem with color splash was that it works exactly like a standard turn based RPG except before every battle action, you have to fiddle around with cards for 20seconds. It's slow, repetitive, and entirely without reward. This looks like that but now the fiddle around phase is gonna be 10-30seconds long.

[@MultiAwesomebob]

And I'm sorry if others like this idea, but I really don't like the office supply boss theme. I dont think it's funny. And certainly isn't threatening or otherwise compelling. I'm totally down with grandpa humor. But it has to be a little deeper than that.

[@JurassicPancake]

my paper mario instincts from the last game is to color white objects so i’m probably gonna throw confetti on so many white objects because i’m not thinking

[@Pmf95k]

Guess I have to throw confetti on my ex

[@SnackGuy2Star]

Nintendo: Gives us open world and gets rid of World Maps Gamexplain: Takes to long to get place to place Nintendo:

[@laggalot1012]

Not quite striking me as an open world, so much as just an overworld with largely linear paths.

[@Paikerchu13]

If they would give Mario his spin dash from the N64 back or any kind of way to move faster, it wouldn’t be that bad.

[@SnackGuy2Star]

@@laggalot1012 TTYD was more linear

[@mtgstudios1556]

I feel like the problem isn't so much its hard to get around more than the maps you walk around in are just so large and it takes mario so long to get through those large grids.

[@darkeco]

I feel like, to the detriment of the series, Nintendo is doing everything to avoid bringing back the Paper Mario 1/2 battle system, despite it being almost unanimously regarded as the best in the series by a longshot. Their ideas are becoming more weirdly convoluted in the attempt to make something better. I wish they'd just realise that what they originally had was gold and go back to it.

[@Sunbreaker7]

This game just makes me want to go out and buy Bug Fables again.

[@roze6001]

Tbh. Bug Fables was excellent and worth every pence; this, not so much.

[@tarponpet]

I loved both games.