Paper Rex May NEVER Win A Tournament... Here's Why!

[@ChangerYK]

We are all gathered here today for the sadness of PRX

[@Negativeduelist]

So our lords may rise again

[@oscaka0073]

Nah man, this time the lost feels more of a frustration/disappointed on the team as a whole man. It feels like they aren't even trying to win. Their go to answer is always play " for fun " , ain't nothing fun about losing now do they. Just be patience and wait for a few seconds after the post plants situations, and they're still in the tournament. If this is what their definition of " fun " is which is trolling and throwing easy rounds then nah .. They dont deserve to win shit imo .

[@kanariyuu]

​@@oscaka0073 i agree with u, people would say "well that's their gameplay", some of those rounds on icebox it's just straight up throwing n it's not entertaining to watch it's so fcking frustrating when they do it so many times.it's very disappointing how many international events they attend already but it's like they never learn from any of those.

[@sirknightj3094]

@@oscaka0073 they never said they just play "for fun" when it comes to excusing throws like that map, at lest when u see the interviews(i think thats just what people misinterpret). i still believe in them but this tournament was the worst from them since lock in

[@JosoLifts]

Depression

[@yukkiriko]

prx problem no 1 : they never peek together

[@infinite1483]

Prx problem no 2: they peek (they can play time its post plant)

[@ClarenceWijaya]

​@@infinite1483playing post plant is a choice, and there is nothing wrong with it. THe problem is the coordination. They havent reached that level of coordination yet. Not with them having to adapt to Monyet, and later on, back to jinggg who was out of pro scene for like half a year.

[@kanariyuu]

​@@infinite1483 well david said on his stream, one of the problems they have is the post plant scenarios.

[@jeffeyL]

PRX problem is their map pool like when they play sunset,split, fracture and pearl they suddenly play so good together but when they play any other map their coordination just goes down so bad

[@tony-te7gd]

I dont think rthats true, in their good games they definitely do, fighting together in general is one of their strengths. the issue is like TMV highlighted that they often lack discipline and so they just dont do any of what they should and can do.

[@thydirt8223]

that 2v1 clutch from bang was heartbreaking man 😢

[@calvinclien-im5vu]

asuna was the only one who stood up right after. its honestly even more chilling how he knew they won but no one on his team except him did

[@ayelmao1919]

0.28 sec😢

[@Hello-wo4sx]

this was such a tough map to watch because i’ve loved 100t (particularly asuna) since 2020 and i’ve been dying to see them finally start winning again but i’ve grown to love prx and every player on the team so seeing that one had to go home was heartbreaking either way. at least it was a good match.

[@Mh2sK1]

it was heartbreaking because its a throw, davai and something was too eager to push and it gives time for the defuse :(

[@myrtlemands]

still have no idea why davai pushed when something died, it was either him and smthn pushed together or they just make bang miserable trying to defuse

[@AdilKhan-uq2nm]

They threw 5 man advantages on Icebox and so many post plants.

[@varuhash50]

You pointed out the maps and made me realize something else, not just that Raze is meta on them. Fracture: Forces both sides to play aggressive or else lose space; Defense could get pinched really easily and Attack can capitalize on the lost Defender space. Taking A Main, Dish, B Main/Tree and/or Arcade can decide a round, especially if both sides of the site can be taken. Split: Very execute-heavy, dumping util and protecting Mid at all costs, or risk getting pinched Fracture-style. Bind: The Teleporters allow some aggro plays to avoid punishment by aggressing on different parts of the map quickly, usually Hookah and/or Showers. Sunset: Aggressively taking Mid control and/or the Mains completely locks them down, seeing as their choke points are so small, just like the map theyre in. Raze also takes a lot more space because Sunset is smaller, getting really deep into the sites and catching rotates through Boba or Alley/A Link. Lotus cause why not: Aggressively taking A Rubble with a lot of util and at least 3 players usually, forcing Attackers to pick a different site or wait until Rubble is empty by pulling rotates. Hits also tend to hit very hard with the size of the sites compared to the map. Anything stand out? You get rewarded for being really aggressive. PRX is an aggressive team. Breeze you could be aggro on but the shear size doesnt really justify putting anything more than a sniper into. Haven and Ascent are best played passively on Defense and Attackers tend to default a lot, to find where players are playing, find the weaker site(s) and find the Sentinel to overwhelm or avoid. Pearl is an oddity that even I still dont know how to play. Lotus isnt the best for PRX only because they choose to not have a Sentinel, something thats not worth the difficulty of holding the 3 sites without one; having more to dump into Rubble, Mound and B Main is useful, but not worth losing an anchor. PRX likes and does well playing on maps that allow them to be aggressive, while Lotus can punish them and reward them for a single agent choice. They really need to tune the aggression down if they want to have more success on other maps, especially with Haven coming back it and Ascent will be very common im sure of it.

[@funkycrawler619]

Honestly, PRX just feels like they don't know how they want to play the meta. They use to be so confident in their off meta picks, but frankly, it feels so indecisive watching them play cause it's like do they play aggro or slow down. and they just don't know (and yes I know the format doesn't help). Idk, I think they need to reflect overall how they want to approach moving forward but I hope they don't become meta slaves cause I know for sure that will be the official death of them.

[@michaelkusuma3912]

True. I think they need to figure out plans to play a map and solely focus on that not rushing to make a hero play Take an example of Gen G. Good at all maps, master of none cause they stick to their plans and play together even when at a disadvantage

[@WataDraggon]

LOUD is also the same, they have never used gekko once

[@funkycrawler619]

@@WataDraggon This, and BIG agree with Fnatic doing the same of not trying anything new and if they do it's evident not to the degree that others try. Everyone was HOPING for PRX to try Deadlock and Clove (both viable) and heck maybe even Iso, but they haven't tried. Idk, PRX innovation was what set them apart and I think they need to go back to that.

[@sai_12_27]

@@michaelkusuma3912 GenG after losing Madrid finals worked hard on their map pool and now they ban maps accordingly to the opponent’s strengths and also their breeze is so good and also underrated no one talks about it

[@Lucaz99]

⁠@@WataDraggonLOUD tried to innovate with Phoenix, 4 flashes comp and more recently with Sadhaak on Deadlock. Plus, the Gekko is very meta rn and he was talking about PRX doing off meta comps/picks.

[@CarterJoel-pw9oh]

As a Prx fan I sadly feel like we deserved to lose that 100t game. Too many great plays followed by map losing plays. I think we can all agree that Prx needs to learn from this loss and if they can learn from this loss I hope champs is where we can finally see success.

[@myrtlemands]

agree, but trust after stage 2 we go on a run in champs

[@t_dustin_p]

PRX were definitely in a bad form all throughout Shanghai (yes, even when they won against EDG), especially on their heavy hitters of f0rsakeN and Jinggg. Too many rounds thrown, lack of discipline, constantly overpeeking, their shots weren't hitting, etc. When I was watching their games, I could see a lot of moments where something whiffed and/or died first, but somehow he ends up topfragging for the team. If that's how your topfrag looks like, well, I'm not gonna say anything about the rest of the team. I'm not saying that they're a bad team, they're just so far from their best form. Just the fact that they threw that many rounds and lost 1-2 in a close OT against 100T already says a lot about how good they actually are; there is a world where they won that Icebox game against 100T with that form, while being so far from their best form.

[@Art0r1aS-zp3wh]

I also watched the Edg match and both teams played so abysmally that it was quite obvious none of them where going that far in Shanghai

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

this also what u describe happen to singapore ranked server everyone does random shit

[@MS-vk9ph]

So they have been in bad form for 5 events in a row? When will they be in form to win it

[@dondeham]

​@@MS-vk9phto be fair they only look bad at the grand finals at champs 2023, tokyo was with a sub, madrid was still adjusting to monyet and its getting better actually

[@t_dustin_p]

@@MS-vk9ph not really, they won Stage 1, so they were in a good form then. In the beginning of Madrid, they weren't too good, but their form improved overtime, but they got diffed by SEN. In Shanghai tho, I'd say they consistently weren't in a good form.

[@ayyitshift]

Congrats to PRX for winning champs 2024 and winning 3 international tournaments in a row in 2025🎉🎉

[@jasonsimon235]

😂😂

[@theboss101_]

😢

[@keyyhani6878]

this has a little effect on me to be happy, thanks. It might be too delulu but thx, I've been seeking happiness.

[@buddhablessedharsh]

This is vile 🤣

[@sunnyhassavath]

When a person falls down to the lowest is when they are gonna bounce back right

[@quentinpizzinga6225]

16:39 : alecks did give an interview yesterday or the day before, in which he says that he has already thought about a potential raze nerf and that they are working on making jingg play other agents, especially since forsaken will have to stop enabling jingg's plays as much as he has done since jingg came back in order to be more useful on his own and for the whole team. Oc this doesn't tell us how they will be doing after the next patch but regarding these statments and how talented the whole group is, I wouldnt be too worried about their future on the international stage

[@smacaroni9195]

im telling u bro if alecks was in like FNC or EG (along w potter) they would win every single map

[@quentinpizzinga6225]

@@smacaroni9195 I think he really fitz to the prx energy and perticipates a lot to it, he expects a lot from his players and does a lot for them as well. Seems like they were all made to compete together

[@Lucaz99]

⁠​⁠@@smacaroni9195true but Alecks is the one who implemented the current PRX style and I don’t think it would work with FNC and much less with EG. I think having Alecks and Potter would be too much, different philosophies on how to play.

[@myrtlemands]

my crazy prediction is that in some maps theyll do double controller but davai leans towards sentinel/initiator and jinggg picks clove

[@ayelmao1919]

Jinngg's phoenix used to be crazy in pearl.

[@honk_gong]

15:50 I think it's also cuz they don't have a designated Sova or Fade player, on those maps recon agents are heavily favoured. I know F0rsaken has played sova and fade before in matches but on those maps he always plays a flash initiator like Kay/O, Skye, etc

[@Mh2sK1]

im pretty sure Davai can play fade (he used to on Bind) but that was like in 2022, idk about his sova though since it's either mindfreak or f0rsaken (even Benkai and Shiba) playing it

[@mahirkamal3402]

@@Mh2sK1 David can play sova on Ascent

[@dumpling1960]

been to every international event since '22 reykjavik but still folds under pressure on stage 😓

[@aguy7863]

you're making me relive the pain from that ice box game you cruel cruel man

[@rizz.0.]

I am never a 'blame the team' type of guy for anything. But this time I felt like it for the first time. I felt like prx threw a lot and I was kind of mad. At the end of the day, I'm just a nobody at home and they are the players on the international stage; but yeah it felt bad this time

[@windeyes]

Same bro. You don’t gotta be a pro to know they just didn’t play at their level

[@rizz.0.]

@@windeyes and it hurts because I know they're capable of sooooo much more. I've never rooted for any team so deeply. Prx is the first one, and seeing them loose like this made me mad. That's all

[@jtc8458]

@@rizz.0. Same honestly. Like yeah i'm not a professional player but a lot of their mistakes is something you would see made by lower ranked players (i.e. not playing time, peeking one by one and not using utils). This is not the same PRX where they are not only aggressive, but also well-coordinated. They made so much cool entry stats, especially during their fight against NRG in tokyo. Now, its just like they are aggressively pushing without a proper plan. Alecks definitely gave them a scolding of their lives and honestly, I hope they do better.

[@stephenkyriakou4286]

Isn’t this most teams at Shanghai? Felt like the level of play for the tournament can best be described as inconsistent or messy.

[@mayznot_]

I agree. Watching this tournament, we can see that the shots not clean😤

[@MS-vk9ph]

Geng is very consistent

[@jayd0n-_-]

geng and g2 are the only teams that look cohesive this tournament. thats the reason they have gone so far.

[@drexalte69]

@@MS-vk9phnah, geng huge advantage is map pool and texture. They look very messy sometimes, almost choked icebox and looked really really lost on ascent atk against 100T. I hope they stop messing things up.

[@salsasalsa943]

they did not look really really lost on attack in ascent.. they got 6 rounds which is pretty good on t side ascent ​@drexalte69

[@chrwym]

Being both a liquid and prx fan atp I'm reaching lobotomy kaisen levels of hopium for a win for either of them

[@anoraemous]

Lmaoooo you down very bad my dude

[@windeyes]

Team liquid W is just not happening :(

[@swifty6416]

People think that Paper Rex inherently cannot have discipline, cannot play as a team, and cannot reach high heights. All of that is simply untrue. We’ve seen them play much better, with much more discipline, completely utilizing all pieces of the puzzle to win. The only problem is the fact that they don’t choose to. They all have the ability to comm a bit more, to swing together, to respect their opponents. They did it right against Gen. G in Split 1 and in 2023. But for some reason they came into Shanghai with a sense of irritability and impatience to just go ahead and win which ultimately led to their demise. This makes the entire ordeal all the more disappointing. Paper Rex always has the potential to go far, and this time they didn’t choose to.

[@AndreggvilJammer]

Thank you for the reasonable, non-doomer take on W gaming and PRX. It's been frustrating to see all the recent manifestos breaking down why W gaming needs to come to an end and so on so forth when PRX has actually done very well with W gaming, even as recently as Split 1. It's not even a "live by the sword, die by the sword" thing. They're genuinely a good team that can absolutely thrive and take the trophy, IF their form were consistent. Sadly, it isn't ever that consistent (besides 2023, arguably) and their play style starts crumbling when something goes wrong, but PRX almost beating 100T even in the worst form we'd seen from them in the past 1.5 years should be a testament to how much better this team can be. That being said, there's no excuse for their Masters Shanghai performance - they started right at the Playoffs and by all means had the clearest shot straight into the Grand Finals, and they had more time than any of their fellow 1st seed teams to prepare. I don't know what went wrong during the tournament, but it was clear that PRX wasn't even doing the things they were known for doing well all through Shanghai, and THAT was why they had such an overall poor showing. We rarely saw their Someswing double-peeks or triple-peeks, we hardly saw any of their set microplays they would always pull out, and like TMV said, all the discipline that they had as a team (which we saw throughout 2023 and Split 1, mind you!) was thrown out the window. I hope they use Split 2 to clean things up for Champions, because they absolutely need to be drilled and ready if want to even think of getting into Top 3. Their map pool was concerning even prior to Shanghai, and I do think that part of that problem is the fact that Alecks is mostly on his own. Even if they have a volunteer analyst that helps out, it would still benefit the team massively, I think, if they had a fresh perspective with them full-time; someone who can hammer home fundamentals, help them flesh out their map pool, and help Alecks with cooking up anti-strats when there's not a lot of prep time between matches at internationals.

[@zacharyfps1938]

The nerves got them. An OP with a turret lost to a classic. Ridiculous.

[@mouseandkeyboard1009]

They have a discipline issue and are over peeking. That op vs classic is an example. He doesn't need to peek at that. Along with 3v1 vs asuna. But they lack discipline and over confidence in themselves. And that is a bad thing.

[@zacharyfps1938]

@@mouseandkeyboard1009 yeah...thats for sure

[@3nish4]

I've been saying this thanks for pointing out. Prx suffers from comp issues even though they have forsaken and davai because jing only plays raze and something only plays jett as meta agents now gekko because of skye nerfs. They avoid any map that needs sova and overcook the comp

[@mahirkamal3402]

something can also play initiators

[@nilakshachandula7185]

yes they struggle on meta agents. fade, sova op currently on some maps. only f0rsaken can play them at highlevel. f0rsaken is current best player on any agent in the team. while others can't flex meta agents. anyway they loss early = winning champions😃

[@malikwijaya123]

Honestly, I like their confidence for swinging and looking for kills or what is often called "W Gaming". However, their decision to overpeek in conditions that are favorable to them is really annoying. They often say that that's their way of playing or that they play for fun. But they should also be able to adapt more and make good decisions, if they really want to win at this international stage. During Master Shanghai, Paper Rex also seemed to be struggling and there were no significant changes with Jing's return. It only adds aim power, but in terms of gameplay it's still the same as the previous Paper Rex. Maybe for the Pacific region they can still be one of the top teams. But when they meet teams from other regions and with different gameplay that they rarely face, it will definitely be more difficult if they don't want to change their habits.

[@G100N100]

Having been PRX fan since the beginning of the team I can honestly say they've improved so much with their team play and taming the aggression to their advantage. IDK what was going on at Shanghai but something felt off even from the first game against G2. I know Mindfreak has talked about exhaustion with the schedule before, maybe something with that? I really couldn't say and we'll likely never know but I really hope to see them back in their peak form for stage 2 and Champs.

[@johnsonfromml8662]

Nah PRX are just "sentinels 2.0 with no trophy" early season their w gaming strategy works because the game is new and no one knew how to counter it but Copenhagen shows them their strategy is mid tier and get owned by teams with functioning brain

[@Loum1s]

their aggression used to be smart and coordinated, but this time it wasnt

[@mrslickman3061]

I feel like PRX are low key running into the EDG problem with apac now. Other than GenG, they can walk over apac teams without much discipline or strategy with just raw skill. But they didnt turn that off for the masters, which are the best teams of every region. Call it ego or overconfidence, but everyone on PRX is far too comfortable swinging multiple players

[@evif9377]

They're much more successful than EDG though. Literally one on the best and most consistent international teams in the world. Two runners up, two third places, two top 6... the only difference between them and Loud, FNC is the lack of international trophy. It's just not the same and kind of disingenuous to suggest that they can't compete at the top because of a poor performance. FNC and Loud have also had poor performances, EG, old Optic and Sen couldn't replicate. Sh*t happens but let's not rewrite history

[@vypervfx7519]

prx in champs 2023 was their best run , coordinated plays that worked , everyone was playing well and wining clutches

[@seishay]

stages of grief is so true, its up and down always as a prx fan lol

[@Olziq]

very good video & analysis!

[@powerofanimepoa3860]

It’s like they play like they don’t care but when they lose they actually care like wtf bro lock in

[@volumetigaa]

I feel like maybe they get to the point where they're a bit cocky? I mean they finished 3rd in Madrid with a new member replacing arguably their most important player, and then pretty much coasted through the Split 1 Pacific with only 1 match loss and 7 maps lost in total. Then the G2 match happened and that's a very late wake up call for them. ngl I think this is a much needed humbling down experience for them.

[@KYSheng]

I feel like they just dont play well under pressure tho, they get better results playing with a sub and with a new player, I think if they have nothing to lose they will play well, but once they feel like they have to win, the team just falls apart

[@latibro21]

yeah, if they are underdogs they play better because they use their brains on how to win. If they think they are the favorites they just turn their brains off.

[@harith0silver751]

The reason prx losing the discipline is because alecks giving the power to call to something and jingg starting on stage1 thats probably reason of overly aggressive call from prx on shanghai

[@theviper5200]

he said what i didn't want to hear (but knew to be true since they lost). Though I don't think the discipline is as much of an issue as the other two, since it wins them more rounds that it loses.

[@kanariyuu]

they need to start playing discipline a little bit more, the overheating moment sometimes it's what cost them the round, all the players did this especially Something, bro likes to swings alone with no utils or when he have a teammates that can trade him, n likes to overpushed a lot in post plant scenarios rather than finding angle to hold sites.

[@theviper5200]

@@kanariyuu I know it costs them rounds. But what I mean is that those over-peeks win them more rounds than it costs them, when it doesn't they lose games.

[@AndrewsMixes761]

@@theviper5200I agree in general, but PRX need to realize there are some games where they cannot and will not outaim their opponents. Everyone on 100T was shooting, so that’s when they need to make it simple and play for the win conditions.

[@theviper5200]

@@AndrewsMixes761 that makes the most sense given they start losing when their over-peeking isn't winning them rounds

[@koe2320]

They dont have real IGL that control the pace and synergy that make them in the same page, they just run it like its ranked game. I mean its professional game you know, their trade game also overall is so bad, their individual is awesome, miracle that they can play individually like that in professional.

[@Gear5Phoenix]

They just troll most of the time, I can’t deal with this anymore. Time to support Gen G, best pacific team😂

[@LongNguyen-xt1hx]

Its not even trolling man, they were choked badly

[@AUSTINNN666]

not trolling its the lack of igl i guess

[@unofficial5151]

if pushing and peeking every advantageous situation isn't throwing / trolling then idk what is, I understand that is what their playstyle is but theyre so undesicive and don't know when to play passively it's annoying. they keep on throwing such favorable rounds it's like they never learn anything from previous experiences. ​@@LongNguyen-xt1hx

[@drexalte69]

Still can’t get over the 2v1 in a freaking OT, like bro how hard was it to wait a little maybe, maybe spam (they literally planted for spam), double swing maybe goddamn anything but a dry swing through a viper wall jesus, that was literally the worst play I have ever seen prolly. Well, geng save us please. Bring one trophy for us

[@averagehuman19]

@@LongNguyen-xt1hxreal

[@kjellkrummrich3158]

we need old prx ascent comp back

[@jackdexter3286]

Alecks was trying out a new "freestyle" Prx with jinggg as the igl where "if you feel like doing something then just do it, don't be scared to die" and basically abandon everything they've ever worked for. That is jail time honestly. Idk how he even think that has a chance of winning doing ranked gameplay. Alecks is definitely getting delusional

[@Lucaz99]

How is that new? It has been Alecks philosophy for years. That’s how PRX has tried to play in the last 2 years. Only thing that changed is Jing IGL. That doesn’t seem to be working.

[@evif9377]

Why on earth did Alecks do that? He's job should be on the line then. That is the dumbest idea I've heard 😢

[@nabil731]

Jinggg is the igl?

[@johnsonfromml8662]

Alecks is a C tier coach for sure, grand final champions 2023 shows the coach diff. His rage clips ruins the team, he let players do their own stuff instead of working together

[@hazelord]

Yeah i was pulling my hair every time prx played this tournament... I feel like there's so many prpblem with the synergy, timing, and discipline compared to when they play in other events, and I dont know if it's just the pressure of expectations (ofc being the favorites to win the event), lack of practice, or just bad day for everybody there. Or maybe they are just tired after the very long and tight season. Who knows, let's just hope PRX comes back strong as we know them to be.

[@billy6678]

The observation of PRX’s map pool is honestly very astute. Generally, everyone had a good idea of what they were good at or preferred, but damn actually being able to pinpoint it to whether playing Raze was advantageous puts a new perspective on their reliance on Jinggg.

[@antoinebonzon6151]

Can someone tell me what he says at the end "maps they are good on "raises meter on""?

[@perevivesvidal4227]

raze is meta on those maps

[@jeffeyL]

Prx just need fracture,pearl,split,bind,acend, sunset and lotus as it's map pool and they would win the Tournament

[@arvy7765]

bro said bind lmao

[@daxie__3210]

Did you not see their bind games recently, their map against edg was played so poorly that the only reason Prx won was because edg were even more dogshit

[@averagehuman19]

wdym bind r u serious

[@mreverything7056]

I think a lot of teams have gotten comfortable playing the “anti Paper Rex strategy” which is to counter and punish them being over aggro. They do it too much and too predictably, and I hope soon we get to see a Paper Rex that finds an unpredictable balance of passive and aggressive. Because unfortunately, when your core identity is aggro aggro aggro, don’t be surprised when people counter that.

[@daxie__3210]

I dont think thats the main issue tho. That style can definitely still work against most if not all teams, they just implemented the worst possible form of that style in Shanghai

[@mreverything7056]

@@daxie__3210 That is true, it’s just something I started to notice is all.

[@zijjxo]

Can we talk about how i got kicked form Jing's dc server and was called toxic when i was just giving my opinions on the PRX's breeze comp and how much they trolled some rounds. I wonder if the members have ever touched Valorant. And to be fair i wasnt being toxic or anything Im a PRX stan too SADGE

[@metsussy]

what did u said tho?

[@zijjxo]

​@@metsussyI said They throw rounds

[@metsussy]

@@zijjxo thats probably why, did you give any advice to them for improvement tho

[@latibro21]

@@zijjxo lmao... i read the same thing on vlr, he just shared his opinion and got blocked

[@LucPvP]

PRX place bad at one tournament in the last 3 years (excluding lock in) and the fanbase is in shambles. 100T was in shambles for 3 years and finally get good results and the fanbase for those 3 years wasn’t nearly as dooming at PRX is right now.

[@volumetigaa]

when you performing good consistently the expectation will always be higher. happens to many teams in different sports

[@evif9377]

Ikr - people are rewriting history, and despite all their mistakes 100T nearly lost that match. I know many of us are grieving but people need perspective...

[@teijorei4549]

really well said tmv!! i couldnt express my sadness when prx lost, and seeing all the negative comments blaming the players didn't feel right!! but i do feel the highs are really high, and the lows are really low as a prx fan. loved the analysis and criticism. great video!!

[@Cere_us]

it's so painful watching these clips, why plant up on ice box A site if you aren't gonna spray it?

[@Ren_Vi]

Really sad to see my favorite team goes out like this, but i think they can easily win last match IF they are more discipline and play together. I barely see any "someswing" on the last series vs 100t compared to any other series on Stage 1

[@cloudyskyz2237]

Tbh the biggest issue is them never fricken peaking together (and when they do they do it purely), especially during post plants

[@kelvinini]

Honestly the utility for prx in shanghai is horrid compared to stage 1. The team dynamic seems to be off somehow

[@kanariyuu]

the over pushed, the ego peeking, playing very impatient, swings alone with no utils n when u have teammates to guarantee the trades all that happens a lot in this tourney.even the players like david n mindfreak when u know they are kinda the discipline players in the team n they start doing those mistakes too

[@whereisaim4022]

I feel the way they use the breeze comp is worse than if they used the copenhagen finals comp😅

[@ninadjadhav8762]

PRX are the RCB of Valorant

[@sully7108]

loved that 100t picked breeze, force jingg to not play raze, even getting icebox for map 3 was huge because i feel like paper rex is contradicting themselves being "W gaming" but running 2 sentinels, feel like putting jingg on a gekko or just another duelist helps so much, plus with these raze nerfs coming it makes me worry especially seeing that prx worst maps are non raze maps

[@joaomiguel178]

For sure they need more flexibility on agents something used to play raze a lot before he joined prx and I’ve seen jingg play Jett on stream one of them needs to learn some kayo skye fade so they can get some sentinels in their comps most of those maps you showed they’re bad on are maps where the sentinel is essential and they don’t play it

[@CoolestCapybara]

The problem why they probably wont win is because they become predictable later on in the tournament and atleast 3 need to perform exeptionally well every map and they are heavily affected by mentality (prx are more becuase they need to win their fights that are mosty 50/50 or worse odds) once they get to like semifinale teams are much more likely to read their aggresivness and when they punish their mental goes down and with no mental is no confidence and that means no winning for prx

[@cleansocks4945]

They need a leader to be the person controlling them mid round, they keep taking unnecessary fight when they could have play for time.

[@westphalianfresco998]

not clearing corners and not about to fight back if getting out-aimed

[@sebirt]

Previously forsaken on yoru on breeze dominated the entire map my ideology is u let forsaken go duel in non raze maps

[@jackknowles5295]

can someone (anyone) at least point out that bang and eeiu were both worth like 4 rounds this map? huge impact being undersold because a lot of focus is on PRX

[@loslobo_]

It's crazy that this team has been together for so long but the team chemistry is still unstable. U literally can toss a coin for every match for PRX. At best, they look like one of the best teams this year. At worst, they look like 5 good players with little to no synergy. G2 and GenG looked more cohesive as a team, especially G2. G2 you can see the stats that there is no clear best player in that team. I know it's Leaf but they qualify for the upper final without Leaf performing at their best. That's insane.

[@morasiregar1052]

I'd suggest retiring Jinggg if he's not upto learning more agents. Put Forsaken or even Davaii on duelist and get an IGL. Because the way I see it, the amount of dry swinging that they do contribute to to the fact that there's no IGL resulting in little to no util coordination.

[@Andr_tyx]

Tbh i think burnout is a thing too, I've been expecting this to happen ever since Sentinels and all the other teams that qualified for Madrid started bumming out.... yeah, there are teams like Gen G who manage to keep going, but honestly with prx being a very mood based team i thought it was a matter of time. Shame it happened in Shanghai, and i think a lot can also be said about their level of play not being high enough yet to maintain their vr crucial good coordination, hive mind decisiveness in situations of high pressure. They just play solo when pressured, in my observation. Performance coach maybe?

[@Andr_tyx]

Anyway I think the comps need looking at and more importantly they need to realise that disciplined chaos >>>>

[@evif9377]

It's not burnout as all the Madrid teams apart from KC, Loud and SEN made it, whilst TH and Geng G made top 4 Shanghai. Apparently coach Alecks let Jingg and Something IGL. That!s all we need to know. We have to question his leadership ans decisions over this team.

[@hogiepogie4]

Agree heavy on the map pool, you can see teams like G2 and GenG having the best map pools and are currently doing well. If a team is gonna start 0-1 every series, they’re never gonna win anything.

[@Theo-bb6pn]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the clip that went round a little bit on Twitter a couple weeks ago where Alecks said they have a rule that one player in a series is allowed to say ‘fuck it, I wanna play reyna’ if they want and they just have to go with it. Reyna will always be trolling even when ur this aggressive, no?

[@megumi971]

Maybe its the lack of an igl like boostio? I mean boostio was able to bring 100t up

[@prakharchaurasiya8107]

I'm not sure if they even want to win anymore, they just kept throwing rounds on Icebox. It was hard to watch. At one point I asked myself why I'm even supporting this team that isn't even playing to win.

[@Andr_tyx]

I know what you mean bc it does come off that way,, but honestly i somehow think their sorry performance is exactly because they actually wanted to win 💀 to me it feels like every time the stakes are high and they want to win something they just overcook...

[@zijjxo]

Fax.. imma a C9 fan now man can't deal with this pain anymore lol

[@prakharchaurasiya8107]

@@zijjxo Might wanna pick a backup team as well since we all know how C9 is doing

[@shewannawithout]

Honestly just a bad map pool for PRX, evident as they permaban Breeze all year until this match and had no clue how to play it due to role issues. Hopefully the new map is a good one for them and I can forsee them doing well on Haven with swamp comp since the roles would fit nicely: forsaken harbor, mindfreak viper, jinggg raze, something gekko, d4v41 flex/sentinel

[@youarethebluestlight]

In my opinion, they could definitely do the AfreecaTV comp against DRX on Breeze. Their Sunset/Split (imo) are quite strong, compared to their Lotus and Bind (although they were strong during the Stage 1 matches).

[@MS-vk9ph]

Then work to expand your map pool like every other team

[@kanariyuu]

bad map pool n lack of discipline

[@spork8721]

holy copium their map pool is just not good its not ones fault but theres

[@thrivinganarchy5267]

Haven Raze 😂😂😂😂😂 PRX would get absolutely dog walked by a competent team if they tried running Raze on Haven.

[@captaindronieversefpv]

@PaperRex should listen to this video .i Totally agree about Synergy and Map Pool

[@dondeham]

tmv is right prx can be discipline when they need to idk why they played worse than split 1 like that, that upper finals vs eg was trully the peak of paper rex

[@sharahokeefe4701]

Amazing analysis! I agree PPRX need to step up. They will lose eventually like Navi and Loud without even winning champs. Fnatic is one of the best flexible team. PRX need a coach or IGL that is always passionate about studying the META. Boaster is one of the best IGL's out there and he was very much passionate to beat the META against disciplined teams like GenG.

[@tahirsbox]

look a lot better with the clean shave

[@transneo9816]

tbh prx can 100% still win champs with W gaming but they do need to be more disciplined in they plays

[@PerumNagajaya]

Agreed. I feel like if they do coordinated W gaming it'll be the sharpest blade in the game. Rather than W gaming but alone

[@thrivinganarchy5267]

You have PRX be more disciplined and they lose like 90% of the rounds they win off of stupid hero plays lol.

[@kraken_xd7904]

Not forsaken adding 7569th agent he'll master

[@ClarenceWijaya]

I cannot believe I finally said this, but when I see them playing Breeze against 100T it's one rare moment when I say oh having Jingg is a burden. PRX is good at Icebox and Pearl where Raze isn't meta but yeah. I have to agree with TMV here. And what hurts me more is that they HAD THE SOLUTION. They signed Monyet, and they can finally play Breeze. Give Monyet more time and the team will overcome their issue. I always say that nowadays you cannot just master 1 agent. Yay. Ardiis. Demon1. Where they are now? They are aim gods, but aiming is not gonna help you now, not when Valorant is already 4 years old. We now see the rise of Tenz, who now plays kayo, omen. Leo & Chron are the reason why FNC is gods last season. Even forsaken, who has played almost every agent in VCT. They had their aim and mech to help them survive, but they also flex. for me right now if u want to success at being pro player you need to flex. THe era of one trick oping agent is over

[@volumetigaa]

Yeah. They banning Breeze throughout Split 1 didn't help either. After it ended I know Breeze will bite them back in Shanghai, so when 100T picked Breeze I already know Prx already lost map 1

[@GangsterKatt43]

they gotta be able to control the sword

[@ArturMonteiro26]

The thing about PRX's style is, you have to outaim your opponent 100% of the time on ALL circunstances. But the thing is, they are only HUMAN, and sometimes given the situation they will be killed no matter how skilled they are mechanically. I know it is their identity to run at you 200km/h every single round, but in the end its what ppl say about a racer, the best is not the one who is the fastest, but the one that knows exactly when to slow down. They should know by now that they CANT win every match just based on taking aim duels, cause twice in THIS tournament, they lost to a team that is worse than them mechanically. At this point you either learn from your mistakes and some humility, or you are set up for failure in every tournament.

[@K_RRK]

They were re-integrating jing into the line up and trying to make him as comfortable as possible by making him call and play at his own pace. So, obviously they are not operating at their best?

[@ryangofigan4290]

can you explain how TH threw a 11-2 half against G2?

[@JKSpice]

Every time you showed a clip i had to skip, it was such a sad match I can't bear to relive it.

[@Stonerplays13]

This makes me wonder y would any team would wanna pick up a solo prx player coz they wouldn’t fit in their playstyle and wouldn’t have the discipline which angers any coach even alecks

[@owaraigeinin]

it's not about 'cursed', 'bad,' or 'not good enough' it's just a cycle of PRX

[@PerumNagajaya]

From every matches in masters shanghai, you can see how many times something dies first and got no trades.. I don't know if that his desicion or teamplan but the plan is just so bad, maybe it works 1-2 rounds but 80% of the times you can just see something dies first and got no trades mostly in defending.. i feel like their comms is lacking and maybe something didnt call for his play.. he can do calls like "hey play together here, play together there" but no, he mostly dies alone in one place with no trades. And you also can see how many time prx lose cuz they got lined up shot by 100T. I feel like they just say "lets peek together" didnt explain what's one gonna do. One should call like "peek together I'll swing wide" or "peek together ill hold close"

[@limzj7781]

whenever i see Ilya throwing rounds I will just turn off the broadcast and refresh vlr instead. They can still win those games bc of just raw frags but it gets too ugly for me.

[@youarethebluestlight]

imo their w gaming style should be utilized smartly, should call to be more disciplined

[@KianoushAlavi]

Yea Paper Rex are very undisciplined which they have struggled to have for a while now (and GenG are actually very disciplined lmao)

[@youarethebluestlight]

@@KianoushAlavi geng has times where they're very disciplined but can also can be aggressive, paper rex needs to be like that

[@KianoushAlavi]

@@youarethebluestlight exactly. Paper Rex just going in aggressive without thinking. It would be funny after 8 tournaments PRX and DRX don’t have trophy but GenG win Masters Shanghai after 2 tournaments 😂

[@leastdedicatedchiyotoras-bq1ig]

@@KianoushAlavi Bro is from the future 💀

[@KianoushAlavi]

@@leastdedicatedchiyotoras-bq1ig no I’m saying it would be funny if GenG win after 2 tourneys and DRX and PRX still don’t have a trophy

[@arvy7765]

There is no way alecks is allowing this level of throwing, right? At this point, get a new coach who can keep his composure or get an assistant coach + analyst. they clearly hv the funds. fking done with this team

[@vaibhavnegi571]

i feel its more on the coach their coach is too expressive and idk reactive which subconsciously affects the players mindset whereas on the other hand 100t coach zikz is very calm, composed and believes in his team

[@HowsDaMonsoon]

Although I don't necessarily disagree with any of your points, my armchair analysis is that PRX main issue is their inherent playstyle of W gaming leads to high variance (like how you mention live and die by it). Because their playstyle creates lower consistency, it makes them have a higher likelihood of things just not "clicking" on a given day, making it tough for them to go all the way in a tournament, where typically you need to play well enough though out, and then peak right near the end. The reason they seem have consistent results is because they gatekeep lower talent teams due to sheer firepower.

[@solortus]

Prx is getting too cocky. They think out aiming their opponents is enough but it's not. G2, 100T, and even Team Secret has proven this

[@prathmeshgupta9671]

Copenhagen final game and 100t game was same type of loss they were always in disadvantage due to lack of game coordination

[@7phpj5gzd2]

These are what PRX fans has been thinking from the start of this year, but summed up in 17 minutes. Thank you TMV

[@Twu77]

on the other hand, will Jingg go to military service this year or he wont join military service because his health condition ?

[@Equist25]

i always thought monyet was better for prx regardless of his perfomance at madrid and regardless of how good jing is having flexibility with monyets omen/astra is very important for them

[@kenchen704]

From playing insane at Champs to now this…

[@aiizeitgeist5630]

I have lost faith in this team

[@elvinnguyen8854]

Before they were coordinated aggression now it’s just lucky aggression relying on hero plays now.

[@TrishitSarkar-jn7hw]

Prx never winning International because they have become a lot predictable. Even GENG might be better than PRX in Pacific at this moment. Every team around them are getting better even Team Secret beat them in stage 1. It'll be really hard for them in stage 2 because all team in stage 2 will get meta shift advantage from raze to neon. Talon already implement neon with governor, so all of the teams on apac will challenge them a lot harder this time because it's like a last chance qualification for champs. If PRX don't make seoul it'll be a huge disappointment in VCT history. 😔

[@jlfajardo2999]

They should have forsaken sentinel role focus I think

[@ezkillz]

It would be nice to see PRX create some more creative plays and comps, imo their strength is their creativity and wackiness

[@klipklapklop3359]

Tldr: PRX playing like its ranked

[@misterme1134]

PRX is not at back to their level at Champs still... I feel like if they had stuck to Monyet till now they would have looked better and I know I will get hate for this but its prb true. Monyet was starting to get integrated pretty well by the end of Madrid and Monyet also allowed a lot more flexibility in their comps. His raze was also getting better and better (not as good as Jingg but no ones as good as Jingg). They need more time to get back to the same level with Jingg in the team as they were at Champs

[@fatedpotato12]

I mean if the whole start centered in W gaming the opponents can just counter strat them with just bait strats, PRX will come to them.

[@heyitsmejm4792]

its as if their mics weren't working the entire time. and everyone has to figure things out on their own..

[@dziugazz]

I don't think it's worth to analyze a team that just didn't play like they usually play at all. Best comparison is SEN after Madrid. They just looked boomed and didn't play together at all.