PAPOOSE Was Supposed To Be New York's Next BIG Rapper! What Happened?

Blackballed. If there was ever a person that understands that term, it’s today’s feature. But not blackballed in the typical form. As we’ll see later, his was a lot different, and the perfect example of wrong place wrong time, right artist, wrong circumstances. It’s oxymoronic to say you’re a hip hop head, love pure hip hop at its essence, or even a fan of rap as it was created and not know who Papoose is. His career literally died on the hill of letting you know that when it came to rapping and doing simply that, his name should be mentioned with the greats. In interviews whenever he’s asked about his place against top MCs in the game, he almost feel disrespected by the comparisons and also that the goal post is always moved so to speak when record sales vs who can actually spit rhymes are the topic. In the late 90s he was destined to be the next big rapper from New York, at least it’s what he thought, and yes he was this close to that happening. He’s most famously known for his connection to DJ Kay Slay, his mixtapes classics, especially with the street sweepers and always speaking his mind about injustice of all kinds in the majority of his songs. He had the look right for the times, the pedigree being from the Mecca of hip hop and a place some of the greatest MCs of all time were also from. And he was backed by a legendary hip hop figure in Kay Slay. So why didn’t he blow up in the rap game and see the success of other artist if you asked him couldn’t compete in that area with his studied skills. PAPOOSE Was Supposed To Be New York's Next BIG Rapper! What Happened? Here are 3 reasons his Growth was Stunted!
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[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Was Papoose an overrated rapper? Or was he really blackballed? Like and Subscribe!

[@keonsmith3522]

Nah Pap was the truth

[@adilla121783]

real hip hop

[@adilla121783]

what about ChA- CHA

[@jahtelmiller8388]

You should do j hood from d- block

[@cammymc1982]

YO!!! You gotta do Remy Ma next.

[@davidsimmons4731]

Papoose is a rapper's rapper and a first class spitter.

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Yup. creativity and all, he cared about the art form. Sucks that isn't always praised.

[@davidsimmons4731]

@@stuntedgrowthmusic Canibus is the same boat. They've even done some work together

[@voraciouschild9226]

@@davidsimmons4731 Canibus was definitely blackballed. He can crush just about anybody. He could be an absolute match for Jadakiss because none of the Dipset guys impressed me lyrically. Cam is the closes one, but it's still a no.

[@justlikebck5162]

Can’t make a song for shit

[@bootythunder3312]

@CosmicRyda G plenty of battle rappers who focus on being the best lyricist/wordsmith resulting in them usually being better than most top lyricist that makes music. The reason why someone lik e eminem could never step back in the nattle rap like canibus did is because the same thing would happen and ems depends on his stans to think he is unbeatable.

[@djdamage75]

Papoose is definitely one of the “G.O.A.T’s” his major downfall was that he was rhyming too complex in a time where hip hop was dumbing down. He was the last of a dying breed in an era of 808’s ,snaps and simplistic lyrics with hooks that were chanted. When Nas said hip hop was dead nobody believed it but he was right, that era of rap was dead (boom bap was dead).

[@gravestone93]

Exactly this

[@krambone]

Even before the drill and trap rap took over Pap wouldn’t make a complete 3 verse song and that’s his own fault. Even Rakim, Nas, Black Thought and them made whole complete songs for video even before they era ended. He just freestyled and ciphered us too much without finishing his actual album

[@versewonderstrikes5353]

NAS Wu Tang Eminem Jadakiss were all from this era. He could spit but he’s boring and his name is stupid 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@gravestone93]

@@versewonderstrikes5353 "his name is stupid"..... Right. He's from the school where bars mattered, may not have been your cup of tea, but who is barring Pap to death? Nobody

[@papitads1066]

@@versewonderstrikes5353 agreed lmao like I honestly never heard anything by him but everybody always says he’s so “great”😴😴😴😴

[@phiwokuhlethwala9415]

Papoose been nice... Very unfortunate he's not as big as he should've been. The problem is most NY rappers are stuck in the "real/golden era" sound which some of us appreciate but most don't.

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Yea, they've completely went away from it. It'll take a cool young rapper to bring it back

[@Christian-eq6pq]

This video pretty much said it but Nas has done a great job of still implementing that old school feel and lyricism while also transitioning into the new era of uptempo beats. Most listeners not tryna listen to people rap over late 2000’s NY beats from lime wire . You have to get with a Hitboy or Alchemist.

[@phiwokuhlethwala9415]

@@Christian-eq6pq Exactly, there should be accommodation for both the new and old school audiences... Hack, Nas's Life Is Good even has a track specifically dedicated just to the old school.

[@papitads1066]

@@stuntedgrowthmusic Joey badass tried to bring that back lol and many others you should do a video on the era of 2000s and beyond

[@rong1812]

Nailed it 👌 Its like a acquired taste and lot of west coast rapoers should have blown also however they have the same problem new york rappers

[@sameerwilliams4054]

Alphabetical slaughter is still banging don't matter the era.

[@imaycare5927]

Fact. I know Z-A almost word for word..... man said "until the undercover unchain us, underhand, untouchable urban underground underboss understand" WHAT!!!

[@DS-nq1dg]

SAY IT AGAIN!!

[@sebastianfairchild4733]

I’ll bet ANYTHING!

[@jamarwilkes9015]

@@imaycare5927 shit dont even rhyme 😂😂😂

[@imaycare5927]

@@jamarwilkes9015 underhand and understand does rhyme my friend. Listen to the damn song ya lazy muff🤣

[@PeekaBooo24]

Excellent spitter plus he’s the definition of a real MAN for holding down his family when Remy Ma was locked up. RESPECT

[@thelifeandtimesofjohnmanny9705]

Didn’t she cheat on him

[@samuelchase893]

Papoose was too Dope... He probably never blew because his rap abilities threatened the entire industry...

[@kingjuhh5955]

Smart man 🎯💯

[@voraciouschild9226]

He never blew because he never blew LITERALLY!! Awesome rapper nevertheless.

[@Jaydizzle23chi]

Big facts!!!

[@whooelse9444]

He lacked star power. Rappers can be hot on mixtapes all day but if they dont have that crossover appeal then their career isnt going very far.

[@digfitness7598]

@@whooelse9444 Bingo. Puffy told Biggie the same thing and look how Huge biggie become before he passed away.

[@Bluecmu]

I listen to all his mixtapes when I was in college back in the day. My favorite Papoose lines are "runnin for president this government trife, nobody voted for dead man when he had to run for his life" and "Been from heaven to hell in this strugglin life, sold angel dust to angels even hustled wit Christ, Walked from fire to clouds just juggle the price, I Rolled 6-6-6 and beat the devil in dice!".....BARS!!!

[@shawnjackson65]

Pap is nasty with the wordplay and imagery 🔥🔥🔥

[@claytonpedro9770]

Damn💥💥 that's dope

[@CraftWon]

Pap is a brilliant writer. I always felt he didn’t take off because he appears to be tone deaf. His vocal tones do not adjust to the beats he selects.

[@matcawildboy6785]

Exactly! Remy has the same problem, They can't change the flow up...

[@MrBoogiemoney]

Definitely have to agree.

[@younggod3906]

Facts

[@DallasChick79]

Tone deaf - or is it, he can't flow to the beat?

[@yoweeoweeooo8223]

@@matcawildboy6785 he writes all her material

[@DrDoomBloom]

Being in my late 30’s, I remember vividly Papoose being on a lot of my mixtapes in my college years. I was never big on his sound because it always seemed to be one note and though I loved the lyrical content, he didn’t offer much in the way of variety, especially during a time where artists were more and more trying to set themselves apart.

[@voraciouschild9226]

Very interesting perspective.

[@bw4348]

@@voraciouschild9226 indeed. I Don't recall anyone sounding like him or putting out projects like the Law Library series.

[@ussuperprints1821]

Bro ..stop being nice , he's off beat and wack with a lame voice.

[@willthomas2310]

@@bw4348 Exactly! IDK what the original comment is talking about, but i guess everyone is still entitled to an opinion

[@60NXNP09]

I agree! Lyrically he's dope but he can't finesse a beat.

[@BlackMusicGenre]

Papoose and Saigon was the business in that heavy mixtape era. Alphabetical Slaughter ( Kay Slay and SMACK version) are still my joints.

[@whooelse9444]

I remember saigon was slated to drop the greatest story never told. That was supposed to be up there with reasonable doubt, illmatic & other classics alike but it never surfaced.

[@A1rPun]

They just dropped a joint together.

[@imaycare5927]

Z-A is my favorite i almost know the whole song.

[@deanbenford7363]

@@whooelse9444 Think he said the suits at the record label sabatoged him for not rapping about bodies.

[@jeffreyjuliano9743]

Papoose and DJ Premier are Pure Heaven wish they did more songs together

[@shonnonwootensr.7762]

Bruha great joint! Papoose is legendary, but could you touch on Rass Kass? Both emcees are deep with the lyrical skill while dropping both jewels and knowledge. Crazy props and Saluting you Young Brother on your content! Thank You, Be Blessed

[@yourfriendlybeatmaker4520]

Ras Kass is a legend and still kills it... His skills are unmatched and he is the most under rated MC of all time....

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Thank you! Rass for sure.

[@wc6081]

Only thing held Ras Kass back(who’s is my top 25) is his drinking… My guy’s DWIs kept derailing his rise… He even went to prison cause if it.

[@yourfriendlybeatmaker4520]

@@wc6081 agreed... The Golden Child Album got shelved because he had warrants and the lable didn't want to spend money they couldn't recoup unless there artist is free to fulfill there part of the contract.... But capital never did anything right for him anyways and when he got out he dropped flame after flame with no big labels backing him... He also got himself kicked off the up-in smoke tour for fighting with lable mate Stat Quo after Dre told him to let the beef go... Personally I think a lable wouldn't help him as much as his independent grind did... The Water Proof M.C. is better off underground because he doesn't have to ever dumb shit down for the masses.... Would love to see him get the shine he deserves ...

[@wc6081]

@@yourfriendlybeatmaker4520 Word

[@znhait]

A complete rapper is able to rap-lyrically speaking-has charisma and makes hits. Of those traits, the only one, when isolated, that doesn’t guarantee success is rapping ability. Papoose has that in spades, but he lacks in the other departments. Jada is just as lyrical-in a different way-as Papoose, but he’s got a big personality. I think Papoose could have been great in a group where other group members complemented him.

[@mardygrah7463]

Haha. Very well analyzed

[@1takesauly]

@@mardygrah7463 kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJvbgoiBZsyjbNE

[@youngluca55]

He has bad delivery

[@dwaynehiler5735]

Or he could've did some satanic sacrifice/devil worship shit like everybody else who made it big 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kylemclaren8772]

One of the best comments I’ve seen on KZbin ever. Absolutely true and great analysis

[@wb3213]

I could be wrong but I believe Marketing is everything no matter how much talent you have if you don't package it right it won't sell.

[@chriskringle5191]

@ W B That's exactly what happened. Papoose was being managed by DJ Kay Slay. Instead of trying to promote and market Papoose to a major record label... Kay Slay was using Paposse to sell his mixtapes. So Papoose's career went no farther then being on DJ Kay Slay's mixtapes. And by the time he did get on a label and released his 1st album. (The Nacirema Dream) The buzz for Papoose was gone.

[@YoungMesrine]

Exactly bro , it's not abut talent, swag or being versatile and all that like i see people saying in the comments...it's about marketing, about who you signed to. If he rapper is signed by Universal , Colombia , Jay z or Birdman , i'm sure it can make it big just because of the moeny behind for radio , Tv promotion etc the whole it's a whole marketing team behind

[@jman1562001]

Yeah rocking fitted caps with a thugged out NY style was not the wave. It became a joke too with pap rocking the fitted caps everywhere 😆🤣😂. And he ain't have solo hit records that were radio friendly. Hits regardless of skill or talent is what sells units and makes people buy your shit. Basically he was a mixtape rapper who didn't crossover. There is a lot of rappers like that but at least he ain't do no sucka shit or sellout and stood on his square

[@sebastianfairchild4733]

Word

[@peejaythegreat1704]

Pap had the best verse of “Touch it” hands down‼️ Dude been one of my favorite rappers since

[@zozovavavum1370]

He nearly took the song

[@pinkacademy5232]

Yh but when DMX stepped forward the energy was different 😭 🔥

[@BostonGhost617]

FACT

[@bignardo95]

Kay Slay wasn't able to carry Pap over the top. He weighed him down. Not on purpose though.

[@whooelse9444]

That whole era from '03 to maybe '07 or '08 had a lot of rappers on the mixtape circuit who had lots of potential but very little or nothing came of it. I'd say cassidy mightve been the only 1 from that time that managed to get some shine & dropped a few albums.

[@DA4fam]

Cassidy took him out the game

[@markasabb]

Love your channel. We’re like 2-4 years apart in age and it’s dope to see these breakdowns as someone who has been a hip hop head my whole life. If I was doing it I would pick the same ppl. I don’t always agree with your takes 100% but I don’t want to! Love your perspective.

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Appreciate that! 💯

[@thegreattreon0177]

He and Jay Electronica were the cats we needed to destroy the bs called trap around 2010 but fate wouldn't let that happen and look what happened, wack rappers galore

[@IllaMatik222]

You cant stop new genres of rap. Just like rock couldnt stop punk or metal. Or how pop cant get rid of koreans lmao. Literally just stop listening to it and itll go away for you. I havent heard nicki minaj, Rihanna, country music, or 6ix9ine in years.

[@natenoreaga6696]

You forgot to mention his fallout with Kay Slay and his fight with Fat Joe...

[@workdirty1]

FACTS

[@mikebizzleuk]

What happened with Joe?

[@workdirty1]

@@mikebizzleuk jumped on papp in a hotel room u can youtube it Im sure.. it been so long ago i dont wanna pass on bad info

[@mikebizzleuk]

@@workdirty1 it's all good. I knew there was tension but not sure what about. It's got squashed through remy I believe

[@yakovhadash]

@@workdirty1 pause!!! 😳

[@nostalgicgamer1363]

Papoose vs big l is my dream lyrical matchup

[@Lorenzo1992able]

You should do Saigon

[@workdirty1]

true

[@adilla121783]

His lyrical capability stands out Beyond others and then he's not a sucker you know he spittin hi intelligent rap as well and mainstream media don't want the masses to know the truth so they push all that wack-ass music in front of them to keep them stupid and dumb

[@davidsimmons4731]

The mainstream media pushes it because that's what people want to hear and that's what they buy. If the people stopped buying bullshit, artists would be less compelled to make it because there would be no demand for it

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

Ahh another "the man tried to hold him down" narrative. At this point that's just pure laziness. You can spout that lame ass shit out everytime without using more than 3 brain cells, collect likes then dip out.

[@ronde1135]

I fully agree

[@freetheworld2671]

In that case its the fans who are the suckers for not giving him the support of their pockets.

[@joeybenjamin0030]

You should do one on Red Cafe

[@adilla121783]

Stata quo or ROC which was jD boy

[@alfredjones9548]

Maze& Mussolini

[@twocents6951]

I liked Red Cafe. Had a little buzz after Paper Touchin then kind of disappeared. Signed a few deals but nothing took off. From what I understand he still ghostwrites for artists.

[@shauncameron8390]

He sucked.

[@workdirty1]

another excellent choice.. good work!

[@iNeverHadMercy]

Papoose is STILL shining via having the best female wifey in the GAME and being the premier "ghost writer" for the LAMES

[@EnterTainment-vv1qs]

Who he ghost write for?

[@papitads1066]

🤣🤣🤣🤣Remy ma even got more hits than Pap

[@Bignay95]

@@papitads1066 what's so funny?

[@jameshamilton5947]

@@EnterTainment-vv1qs That's what I was gonna ask

[@sgtcreasegrease]

@@papitads1066 with terror squad, stfu

[@JD37]

Papoose was ill. Great vid! Here are some suggestions for future usage: Mos Def Talib Kweli D’angelo The Roots

[@joel642]

I just found this page by accident because of the new Canibus stunted growth video and now I am hooked, much respect, great content, you have just earned a new subscriber I'm already five videos deep after I didn't even intend on watching all of the first one LOL salute

[@locojet6174]

took too long to release his first album, by time he released it his fans didn't care as much and moved on to the next rapper

[@AudioGAWD]

I was waiting for Nacirema* Dreams for the longest time to see what he would do on album. By the time I rememeber it coming out, no one cared, there was no fanfare or even a mention of it. It just came out.

[@th3rd3arplan3tradio]

My cousin had his album when it came out & I kept looking around for it before it came out. All I could find on him was mixtapes, at that point I just moved on to other artists. He was in that era of early 2000's when east coast music was street for real. Nowadays too many rappers sound the same & not many are checking for rap bars.

[@AudioGAWD]

@@th3rd3arplan3tradio vibes became the sole thing and I get it

[@breakweisernorthernsoles]

Your content is so dope man. Please keep it up!! Salute

[@damiane1015]

He lacked charisma and the ability to make a song that’s “easy to listen to”. He was never going to blow up because his sound was never radio friendly. Is he woulda came out in 92,93…he woulda been a legend.

[@dexterdahmer]

He still is a legend just not as big

[@MidwestMixtapesTV2]

Exactly

[@jamarwilkes9015]

Think about how trash a rapper you got to be for a dude to say a rapper from the earlier/mid 2000's would have been the man in 92, 93. How far behind the times was that. Yall act like Papoose was BIG L

[@louthelabmonster]

@@jamarwilkes9015 facts, dude hella overrated. No idea how mfs thought he'd amount to much lol.

[@MrBranh0913]

I don't think he would had been big at any point in hip hop. In 1992 the biggest rappers were like Kriss Kross and Mc Hammer. In the mid 90s, mainstream rap was dominated by Bad Boys and Death Row. Wutang was big in the 90s, but not even close to being as big as Deth Row records were back then. Basically there was never a point and time where a straight up spitter was super mainstream. People act like Rakim was super mainstream back in the days. He had a hit or 2, but it wasn't like his music dominated airways back then.

[@KingZahi]

I literally was gonna drop a comment on your next video to do a Papoose video!! Hell yes! Thank you, cant wait to watch this on my lunch break. Much love from Houston TX!

[@CalisRemedy]

The first time I heard Papoose was on Busta Rhyme’s “Touch It”

[@AquariusLeviathanProphecy]

I heard him on a Hail Mary Mix Tape

[@kevinlb10]

Thanks for making this man, finally 🔥🔥🔥

[@leolovelife]

It wasn't about his skills, songwriting, or sounds as much as it's about capitalism-imperialism.

[@DramacydalEL]

Bro you should definitely do a video on Cormega! Most underrated lyricist in hip hop. He was definitely blackballed from the mainstream, industry and shelved but found success as an independent artist

[@Champ1988]

It was him & Cassidy during their era of pure rappers.

[@HUSTLER-AT-HEART]

Cassidy making a come back tho

[@mediaiweb]

@@HUSTLER-AT-HEART waiting on his reply to Tory lanes...

[@HUSTLER-AT-HEART]

@@mediaiweb me too I’m a big Tory lanes fan tho I wanted Tory to Diss cass

[@mediaiweb]

@@HUSTLER-AT-HEART i think he just did ... we just waiting on cass response now ..

[@d.jackson2560]

His loyalty to K Slay stunted his growth too, all them mixtapes and freestyles was mainly heard by the streets no radio spins. Pap the definition of “underground artist”

[@PancakeDiaries]

This part

[@icecreambeats101]

The first time I heard Papoose was on Busta Rhymes “Touch It-Remix” before I deployed to Iraq and I was like “that dude is dope”.

[@katrinschwaiger1333]

same here

[@june-itsalwaystwosizeofthe2702]

I swear to everything I love I was just saying this the other day when I was watching Dipset VS the Lox... I would love to see Eminem and Mr. papoose... go at it this would definitely be a one of a kind battle ...Or the Hosler Cassidy

[@AudioGAWD]

Bars...yeah. Hits or even memorable songs...very one sided

[@guerrieri95]

Facts Pap Ft Eminem🔥🔥🔥

[@DHPJR]

One of papoose's downfalls was his voice. I was a huge pap fan but even then I knew his voice wouldn't appeal tp the masses. It was just too rough around the edges for the average listener. That is one of the reasons why his fanbase were mainly hardcore hip hop heads.

[@marlonthomas8042]

Yeah I loved him lyrically but he was hard to listen to cos he seemed to shout over every song Main reason I don’t listen to Kendrick much because his voice hits my ears awkwardly

[@tattootarot3344]

Definitely on it bro,certain signs fall victim to stunted growth more than others.Most of these are Pisces,virgo Jay Elect,Wale,Joe Budden,etc.just an observation.

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Yup. Always pay attention to the stars.

[@voraciouschild9226]

Wale is not that good.

[@TheFadewolf]

Moneybagg yo a Virgo and he run the game right now

[@producerfav1974]

New York is heavy on Stunted Growth Music.

[@brandongilbert3071]

The creator of stunted growth might be more of east coast guy so it's going to be more videos on New York rappers than like say somebody from the south all they listen is south rappers

[@whooelse9444]

I remember the mixtape scene vividly around the time pap was making noise. You also had grafh, ali vegas, a-team, stack bundles, paul cain, among others. We all thought they were gonna blow but their buzz fizzled out.

[@AudioGAWD]

Most of those guys listed I came across because of XM/Sirius around '05-'06. I really thought they'd be further until I realized they all some of that same stuff on common with Papoose.

[@PoloJones85]

I think his biggest problem was him being way too consistent. He dropped a mixtape every month and left no room for any demand.

[@liquidgeorge]

Yeah man. I felt I had heard a career's worth of music before an album dropped. You can't cheapen your product like that.

[@easy-jay]

Good point

[@mackvelly8899]

To play Devil's advocate, Papoose did stay relevant with that move. His mixtapes are better than most albums now. A Threat and A Promise and 21 Gun Salute are some of Pap's best mixtapes

[@anier1582]

FACTS!!!!!

[@liquidgeorge]

@@mackvelly8899 I agree that the material is sometimes brilliant. But it’s a similar story with Lloyd Banks; his mixtapes are of such high quality you would take a studio album for granted, so when it comes around to purchase time, unless you are a huge fan, you are likely to treat it with the same level of respect as a mixtape, which we all know is tantamount to bootlegging.

[@LionofJudah55]

Papoose reminds me of Big L with just more versatility and cadence

[@curtisanderson7930]

NAS,RAKIM and KRS-1,when you're speaking true consciousness it's to much for most people, myself I love it, but I think you can put pap in that category.

[@jpeg7750]

This channel low key is a good guide for new emcees

[@MrBranh0913]

Papoose is definitely the evolution of the style that Big L had. Except Papoose had way better writing. I have to admit, I enjoyed a lot of his mix tapes and freestyles. But when it came to listening to an album, it didn't gell quite well. The issue with Papoose is that he's also extremely stubborn. Even if you put a team around , I doubt he'd listen. Pappoose will always make waves, because he's just too nice on the mic not to have a fan base. I think he has found his lane. Let's face it, he was never going to be a mainstream rapper. And that's ok.

[@cfboldman]

Super talented rapper I remember liking his mixtapes better than a lot of albums he had dope concepts and word play, his uncle Murda diss over the who shot ya beat is one of the craziest ever

[@rook7mile]

Jay z had his hand in this black balling !

[@Milkbutter]

Do one on Canibus.

[@biggareid]

Clearly one of the most underrated artists of this era

[@GaZaWeed876]

I would say more black balled & didn't wanna settle for what the game had to offer than stunted growth because the lyrics on this man's mind is top 10 of all time

[@brandongilbert3071]

Facts

[@PancakeDiaries]

He didn't achieve anything... His growth was stunted. Niggas ain't saying he was trash

[@seansmith7462]

He's to real, too militant and too lyrical. He's also not a sheep, that's why

[@voraciouschild9226]

You know how that goes...no baaaaaaaa, no caaaaash.

[@Trexx1982]

I from da south and I always had respect for papoose its unfortunate the way things turned out for him

[@Genghiskoz]

Down South era was rising and mid west was kicking in da doors it was just their time but it's coming bacc so Pap will get his flowers he just gotta stay persistent time works in favor with da patient man it's a virtue for a reason

[@40BYNATURE]

Goodie Mobb!!! ATL Legends. Please. Thanks.

[@DaKidMel33]

The real question is.....has anyone ever seen papoose without a hat on?🤔Legend has it not even Remy has😂

[@brandongilbert3071]

Lol I was thinking that plus he always so serious hard as hell to market lol

[@xavierisraelijah9523]

Can you do canibus being the greatest lyricist of all time being blackballed.

[@Getcreative784]

Pure facts! I was just talking about him today literally in conversation with my bro. But agreed 💯

[@jasonjay1053]

The machine stopped pushing him that’s all.

[@melvintejera196]

Papoose is a legend one of the 🐐 imo. Still killing it too.

[@J-Hue]

Papoose always had bars, just didn't have the best flow and wasn't a great songwriter. That said, he made bigger waves in the game than most people who try to make it and his reputation has never come under fire. Not a lot of people can say that.

[@cloficc7234]

I don't know if that's the track you're talking about, but I remember landing at JFK, taking a cab to the city, and hearing "We are the streets" on the radio for the first time. I immediately knew, I had to find out who that guy was (way before Shazam), and sure enough I went to Jamaica Ave and copped "A bootlegger's nightmare" on CD. Some of the best times of my life, and to this day one of the only mixtapes I thought deserved to be an official album, straight 🔥

[@YoungRiaz]

Nas is one of the greatest rappers of all time

[@dwightwilkinson]

That's a fact

[@danieldevito6380]

Papoose wasn't out in the last 90s, he started catching a buzz in the early to mid 2000s

[@PancakeDiaries]

He was on a track with g rap

[@JeromeKyng]

Papoose has so much potential, it's unfortunate to see how things turned out for his career. But pap is a typical New York rapper who is over lyrical and can't create a song that can be played on the radio, and that people can bump while driving their car, or get hype to at the club. This is the same thing that happened to Joe Budden, super lyrical but couldn't make a real song to save his life.

[@omegamax3444]

Lmfao 😭💀@ the thumbnail!

[@matthewstanley2627]

You need to do next "chingy" "Murphy lee"!

[@matthewstanley2627]

APPRECIATE the videos! I was told "A SMART PERSON LEARNS FROM HIS MISTAKES, A WISE PERSON LEARNS FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES"

[@june-itsalwaystwosizeofthe2702]

Oh hell no..?

[@matthewstanley2627]

@@june-itsalwaystwosizeofthe2702 hell no what sir?

[@matthewstanley2627]

Of course I'm not happy they haven't reached their potential as artists! But does videos helped me to avoid the pitfalls of what can happen if you dont seize the moment.

[@milesinthegame]

Please do Cassidy. Btw, much respect to you for actually creating an original idea for a youtube channel. Great content!

[@krambone]

For all the bars Papoose got he couldn’t make a 3 verse song for video or a complete album of songs not freestyles. Hell even Rakim, Nas, Black Thought, Inspektah Deck made whole songs. No excuses Pap

[@Roleplaywithray]

Yup yo commentary summoned it perfectly

[@TheRealest127]

He was Special. 🔥 But I think he just came out at the wrong time and wasn’t strong enough to withstand the SOUTH take over.

[@remarcablemc]

Respect to the vid. PAP is a rappers rapper 💯 he's one of the best spitters. If you know you know.

[@traj_mahal300]

A lot of Pap's growth also got halted during Kendrick's first few years of reign within the mainstream music industry (especially west coast), audiences on websites during that time period such as WSHH & MTO have also thrown Papoose into a belittled position. LETS KEEP IT 💯 FOLKS!

[@jameshamilton5947]

What does Kendrick Lamar have to do with anything about Papoose????

[@traj_mahal300]

@@jameshamilton5947 Kendrick's reign has brought forth a huge fan base whom seemed to have a loyal hate towards Papoose, meaning that Kendrick did absolutely nothing but just blow up....

[@therealfrankielou9027]

Pap is God level as far as rap... They want u to sell yourself out for a dollar.. he stood strong and he is still well respected

[@cherylglover9119]

THAT RIGHT THERE

[@Blitzbravado]

Dude can rap his ass off but can't make a good song or hit song to save his life or career

[@ClasherSports]

Really enjoyed this video. I vaguely recalled Papoose and it was nice seeing this video on him

[@druvader7966]

Pap is like a worse version of Nas. He can rap his ass off. He's just not great at making music.

[@damiane1015]

🎯

[@GMB726]

You really compared Pap to Nas? Where you from? 😆 Nas has CLASSICS! Pap couldn’t stand next to Nas on any level. Foh 😂

[@damiane1015]

@@GMB726 as far as the style. The lack of charisma. The inability to make the “average fan” WANT to listen to him. Nas, at times, can’t be listened to by the average fan. Just be honest. U must be from Queens? Lol. They both have bars but it’s just bars.

[@GMB726]

@@damiane1015 average fan in their 20’s? Maybe so. Anyone who you think is nice learned from Nas. You comparing a peasant to a pioneer. That’s why I’m commenting. You should go sit down and have a listen. Illmatic is easily a top 5 album all time in hip hop. Pop in and let it ride. “It was written” is also a CLASSIC. “I am” is classic. “Stillmatic”. You probably can’t even appreciate the music for what it’s truly worth being you wasn’t around and listening during the times they came out and understand the impact in its entirety. Nas is a legend. Pap is a 1 mixtape wonder.

[@damiane1015]

@@GMB726 you’re missing the point. But I hear you bro.

[@lincolnhamilton7043]

Like I said plenty of time, I love this channel. Keep up the great work and context.

[@GDSprodify]

Jay-Z was President of Def Jam when Pap signed to K-Slay and Jay and Slay had beef over ‘Ether’ so Jay Stopped all Slay Business Moves with any Universal & WB (Lyor) Artists.

[@JonquilAnderson]

Blessup! This dude had lyrical fitness before folk even knew him...I was introduced to his music, due to my cuz Az & gave me Pap first single with him along with KoolGrap & on the B-side was Alphabetical manslaughter....way before folk heard the rendition later on....& then I got to meet him at an Ice T session In bklyn at Dr period house...dude still spit better than 96% of what is called hiphop today

[@producerfav1974]

What stunted C-Murder growth?

[@CDiggze1]

Him

[@supreme-magnetic]

Literal murder

[@jasminemonroe5784]

Being Sentenced to a long Jail Term. I think he's still in jail💔

[@brandongipson9552]

Uhh prison

[@TruthSometimesHurt]

Papoose downfall was signing with a DJ that didn't have a real record company... RIP Kay Slay💯

[@williamrobinson6457]

He cannot make an Album. His lyrics are level 10 his albums-10

[@CDiggze1]

What?

[@williamrobinson6457]

@@CDiggze1 I am saying no doubt he is level 10 lyricist but he cannot make commercial albums that sell.

[@bootythunder3312]

He always sounds like he doing a freestyle when he should be making a song on his albums.

[@MMAOdin]

He's not blackballed nor is anyone 'threatened' lmao. He is a good rapper but he has literally no star power.

[@eddiemanuel8768]

His lyrical ability is too much for the masses, people don't like to think so much listening to music. His bars go over the common person's intelligence. You can't play his records in the club and that's what people want, club music..

[@eddiemanuel8768]

@Marcquise White I think you do have to be able to make a good song, that's the problem with him and his wife, they're great lyricists but they can't get the masses to get up and dance. I wouldn't say his music is dated he just has a certain sound and audience he caters to.

[@charlesdontcare]

i remember listening to him in 9th grade 2014-15 on spinrilla. he was brilliant spitter just state of rap was changing. i forgot all about him lol

[@DreDaDon16]

He just was never an interesting enough rapper he can't make songs other lyrical rappers like Kendrick Cole KRIT Gibbs Roc Marciano etc came alone and made songs and became stars

[@digfitness7598]

Tell'em again. You can be Bar heavy ALL DAY. But if you can produce a good radio sound.....Your done.

[@ttfells2020]

When Pap was on Busta's remix I was looking hard for him ... in my opinion Pap could've picked up the torch from Mos Def & Talib Kweli if only he had the RIGHT team behind him. Another example of how you need more than talent to carve out a niche in any industry.

[@Ron-Irons]

I honestly think some of these rappers was simply not willing to participate in homosexual activity or blood sacrificing family for money and fame.

[@uforoessien441]

Nothing wrong with homosexuality cop Deality mixtape

[@soledisciple]

Papoose story is a shame because he is lyrically one of the greatest of all time. But with Kendrick and J-Cole and Kanye keeping conscious rap alive, Papoose could make a come back if he played it right. But he’s probably just enjoying life now and not worried about trying to play the rap game.

[@kwamegamble1561]

First

[@uforoessien441]

Chale

[@720x66]

Great breakdown. Eye have one for you.. "College Boyz or The Dayton Family".

[@ChozKetchum]

“The Victory 2007” and “Alphabetical Slaughter” both blew my mind in high school. Thanks for doing this vid bro

[@shauncameron8390]

Alphabetical Slaughter blew my mind when I first head it in 1999. Too bad I didn't like any other song he made since.

[@georgetusuubira8695]

Nas has also been clowned for beat selection for a long time (before HitBoy). Mainstream Hip hop moved away from the traditional Newyork/westcoast sounds. Mainstream fans no longer want metaphors, wordplay, knowledge or stories. They want to dance. The plus-side is that Hip hop is now the biggest genre in the world.

[@Renelsrhythm]

Damn bro you been consistently dropping. I respect the passion

[@CDubb442]

Love the basketball content now this! wow fam keep up the great work and good luck…please do Shyne biggest waste at the time IMO.

[@mizzy412]

Can you do one on one of my favorite rap groups NAPPY ROOTS